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Othello Noral
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Posted - 2004.02.11 16:52:00 -
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Has anyone noticed that the roid belts in Empire space have been mined out? They are just a few pebbles. Why haven't the roids reformed? I know it takes time. I know people continue to mine them. But can't CCP just up the respawning speed If death doesn't kill me...nothing will. |
Maximaus
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Posted - 2004.02.11 16:56:00 -
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I think the roids only re-spawn a certain number of times before they are gone for good |
Shia Dai
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Posted - 2004.02.11 16:57:00 -
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Blame the battleship fleet miners. they are uber pathetic when they mine out 1.0 systems.
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Corison Azura
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Posted - 2004.02.11 16:58:00 -
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Part of it is by design, by limiting the number of roids you in theory keep demand up.
Most of it is practical though. People often AFK and/or strip mine with cruisers and better in high sec space. So it doesnt matter how fast the roids respawn, they would be within hours many times.
Your best bet is simply to move away from the newbie stations. 0.9 areas are safe to mine in and usualy have ore, as are non-prime 1.0. You can easily mine in areas down to 0.5 with early frigates if your paying attention.
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Tenashi
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Posted - 2004.02.11 17:00:00 -
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blablabla...old problem since bships were affordable by normal players and ignored by ccp from then, can`t we have something new like no miners fitted on bships in .9-1.0?
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Othello Noral
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Posted - 2004.02.11 18:03:00 -
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But can't CCP just up the repawn rate? If death doesn't kill me...nothing will. |
Steini OFSI
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Posted - 2004.02.11 18:28:00 -
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There is plenty in 0.4 and below and the NPC's aren't that hard, just have to have some escort when hauling.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.02.11 18:48:00 -
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It is not that bad, the systems near starting regions tend to be very heavily mined but if you move out a bit there is plenty ore to be had.
My personal stance on Battleship miners in 1.0/0.9 is they ought to be shot dead. They eat far too much ore far too fast at no risk.
I never mine in anything higher than 0,6 if I can avoid it, sitting in a remote 0,7 now to get some ore I need, but other than that I prefer to stay away from the "noob" areas.
Oh and yea, there is no risk to me here really either, but, at least I am not hoggin the ore from those that can't use 8 heavies to defend themself from npc spawns. -------------------------
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svetlana
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Posted - 2004.02.11 19:42:00 -
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Quote: But can't CCP just up the repawn rate?
ages ago CCP changed the respawn in highsec empire purposely so that the roids would not come back in any great number or variety. CCP have stated that they are trying to encourage miners to get out of safe space- so go to lower sec systems to mine.
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Stevo
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Posted - 2004.02.11 20:56:00 -
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Who else is tired of eveyone complaining about battleships strip mining in high sec space?? Jesus there is like atleast 2 posts on this evey frekin day!! Nothing will be done anytime soon even if you do complain about it...so please quit! Hey if yall werent complaining so much you could be out finding all the ore that you are complaining about not having! ha
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.11 21:32:00 -
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Quote: Who else is tired of eveyone complaining about battleships strip mining in high sec space?? Jesus there is like atleast 2 posts on this evey frekin day!! Nothing will be done anytime soon even if you do complain about it...so please quit! Hey if yall werent complaining so much you could be out finding all the ore that you are complaining about not having! ha
Stevo, I don't really care who sells me the ore I buy. New player or some 6m skill point battleship miner.
I do however realize that a new player doesn't have the contacts, equipment or skills to survive mining in low sec space. Sorry but a Probe is not likely to survive and a truly new player is usually too intimidated by the new environment and new people to ask for help.
Battleship miners do need to leave the areas around starting solar systems alone.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Samis
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Posted - 2004.02.11 21:38:00 -
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You don't have to go to low sec. space even. There are plenty of systems above .5 they just take more searching to find than making circles around Yulai. Look around.
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2004.02.11 21:52:00 -
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good tip:
gulfonodi is FULL of roids up to omber,only 0.4 but some of the least pirates i have ever seen. Great mining place. ----------------------------------------- Everlasting Vendetta PVP Commander, yarr
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Ariell Lucinwind
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Posted - 2004.02.11 21:55:00 -
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Quote: But can't CCP just up the repawn rate?
Lets not and say they did -- would that make you happy.
NOTE - I do strongly agree that battleships shouldn't be able to strip mine a whole roid field in high sec space. Heck, if we made it as true to life as possible and turned the respawn off so we replicated real life. We would be screwed many times over as the newbs have no roids what so ever. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Dalmont Delantee
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Posted - 2004.02.12 00:01:00 -
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I have never mined in 1.0 space as its poxy minerals...went to .7 space and if anything came I ran at the start...safe as houses if your watching :)
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SYCO
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Posted - 2004.02.12 00:04:00 -
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u pay....i pay...we all pay.....deal with it
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Managalar
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Posted - 2004.02.12 00:38:00 -
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Its obvious. At the same time they reduced roid respawn, they made low sec space more dangerous. There are a lot of miners out there who don't care too much for danger (hence why they choose to mine over other things), so they instead opt to strip mine everything in secure space.
One more contributer is also a larger noob population, I've seen the numbers online increasing. These things all play into it.
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Dr Parks
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Posted - 2004.02.12 00:46:00 -
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Personally, I think that the majority of High security space roids, should be mined to extintion.
Why?
Because it will encourage 2 things from new players.
1. Join a corp - It's a great way to learn the ropes, mine with a group and have some protection.
2. Take more risks - If a player wants to go solo, then He/she is going to learn at the school of hard knocks by mining in lower security areas.
How many of you learned how to ninja mine? Or how to strategically place yourself in a roid system where you could get away if pirates popped nearby? Or even how much you could take before getting podded for that last bit of ore?
I had lots of fun learning that stuff, which newbies won't if they have a bunch of easy carebear roids to mine.
Losing the high sector ores is not the end of the world, and that's my point.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.02.12 02:08:00 -
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Quote: Has anyone noticed that the roid belts in Empire space have been mined out? They are just a few pebbles. Why haven't the roids reformed? I know it takes time. I know people continue to mine them. But can't CCP just up the respawning speed
There are lots of planet sized roids in... I'm not telling where
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Kunming
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Posted - 2004.02.12 02:22:00 -
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If CCP would "refresh" the roids in 1.0 systems the BS miners would mine it all in a couple of weeks. In the end nothing would have been accieved and the market would be even more inflated.
Someone in a BS mining 1.0 is the most stupid thing to do, you can mine more valuable ore in much more dangerous systems, that way you wouldn't inflate the market and your ore/mineral will be even more valuable!
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.12 02:26:00 -
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There is no ISK/RISK balance in the game. Why would anyone want to take a RISK? You can suck veldspar in 1.0 with zero risk or you can suck arkonor in a grid in 0.0 with zero risk.
Very funny for new players to see that all their belts are just strip mined.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Minsc
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Posted - 2004.02.12 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Minsc on 12/02/2004 03:00:55 While I agree that BS field clearing fleets clearing out in high sec space is kinda lame I think there is more to the reasoning than because it's easy. part of the problem is also due to the insanely high mineral requirments for the larger ships and an other things like ammo/missles that corps make for themselves.
As far as not being able to mine in lower sec areas because of NPC rats, myself I would see a perfect opportunity for the player that's not fond of mining but likes farming rats to make a little extra money protecting the miners. The bounties on some of the rats in lower sec area's are decent enough incentive on their own, and a little extra from protecting the miners would allow them to make some decent coin.
Obviousily it will not be near as good as mining in 0.0 but that takes a group effort (not counting ninja mining).
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Tirren
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Posted - 2004.02.12 04:12:00 -
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Quote: Personally, I think that the majority of High security space roids, should be mined to extintion.
Why?
Because it will encourage 2 things from new players.
1. Join a corp - It's a great way to learn the ropes, mine with a group and have some protection.
2. Take more risks - If a player wants to go solo, then He/she is going to learn at the school of hard knocks by mining in lower security areas.
How many of you learned how to ninja mine? Or how to strategically place yourself in a roid system where you could get away if pirates popped nearby? Or even how much you could take before getting podded for that last bit of ore?
I had lots of fun learning that stuff, which newbies won't if they have a bunch of easy carebear roids to mine.
Losing the high sector ores is not the end of the world, and that's my point.
Problem with joining a corp is it takes a LOT of time to get "good" with players to where you might be able to trust them. The first 2 (not one, two) corps I joined ripped me off, I lost isk and worked my butt off to advance them not me. I have since avoided corps. Unless you are lucky you'll end up with a scammer corp (so many out there) and will lose everything you could have gained on your own. I've been playing since early september and am just now starting to trust a few people who are in corps enough to even consider putting an alt in there.
CCP has made pirating 10x's more easy to do, even more so with the warp field inhibitors, this effectively keeps ANYONE who is not corped or in an alliance of a particular group out of space they don't want to be in because not only will they destroy your ship, they will give you a complimentary pod to go with it.
Personally I think people should lose sec status no matter where they are, if they pod somone. There is one thing about protecting yourself, but murder is something altogether different. It would force pirates to be more careful, as well as mega corps who get away with podding anyone who isn't in the corp who strays into ANY 0.0 space. "I can only take so much before I'll blow up my own ship. Hey isn't that what insurance is for?"
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Marion DeNemisis
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Posted - 2004.02.12 10:06:00 -
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perhaps make mining lasers on batlleships not working in 1.0 / 0.6 ??????? that would help a lot.... beside who in batlleship would ever want to mine in 1.0 ?
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Mau dib
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Posted - 2004.02.12 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Mau dib on 12/02/2004 12:03:01
Quote: But can't CCP just up the repawn rate?
Sure and why don't we just make it so you only have to click a button once and you get instant 1M ore.
Scarity fuels competition. Competition fuels conflict.
Conflict is all this game is about and I like that way.
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Mos Panor
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Posted - 2004.02.12 14:32:00 -
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Well, all the roid fields near me have an abundance of the stuff, massive roids too. I don't see the problem.
Maybe it's just where I'm located... in which case, anyone worried about the lack of roids where they are, venture out and explore a bit more. -------------------------- PIE Inc Captain and Internal Communications Officer |
Othello Noral
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Posted - 2004.02.12 21:50:00 -
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why can't the roid filds near the starting systems be respwaned faster that would solve the problem. If death doesn't kill me...nothing will. |
Archemedes
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Posted - 2004.02.12 23:09:00 -
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It doesn't matter how fast the roids respawn, there are so many people in central Empire space that they'll be cleared out in no time. Personally, I only mine in high security space if my agent gets a sudden yearning for low-end minerals. When he does, I take my Apoc out in the 0.9 system he's based in, fill it up with Veld or Scordite, and give him his 50k Trit. Fortunately, he seldom asks for Trit... because I HATE mining in high-security space. It's so boring it's mind numbing...
People who spend hours on end mining in 0.9-1.0 systems are either true noobs who NEED to stay where it's safe (rare), too lazy to move (common), or using Harvester drones (more common). The fact is, good mining drones cost a fortune and NPCs target them FIRST, making 0.5-0.8 mining much less attractive to stripminers. The NPCs can't hurt the miners, but they CAN cost them millions in lost drones!
The solution is quite simple... SET NPCS TO NOT TARGET MINING DRONES and a lot of the battleships will move out of noob space. As for AFK miners, the only ship worth AFK mining in is an indy (everything else fills up too fast), and if someone wants to sit there 6 hours eating a Scordite planet in a Bestower who cares? As long as they aren't macro mining (a bannable offense), AFK miners don't bother me at all. It's the corps with enough battleships to mine even 0.0 space that decide to instead clear out Luminaire that really bug me... Put guns on half that fleet and go where it's interesting!
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Ada Isdead
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Posted - 2004.02.12 23:53:00 -
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Part of the problem is that NPC mineral demand dosn't match players demand for items and material from NPC's.
If they did the NPC mineral demand would be lowered a lot and people would have to move to where the profit is, which is zyd and meg bearing ores in low sec.
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2004.02.13 00:37:00 -
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Most people can't MINE the Zyd and Mega bearing ores (especially Mega). It takes:
1) multiple battleships 2) access to an area of 0.0 space with good ore 3) lots of people
This means only large corps in alliances get to mine large amounts of Ark and Bistot. You need at least one miner in a battleship, SEVERAL warriors in battleships to kill the NPCs, and haulers. How is a 15 man corp with only 4 or 5 people online at any given time supposed to pull that off? The only way to mine high-end ore without a fleet and either permission from an alliance (or MORE battleships to hold off PC pirates in non-alliance space) is to ninja mine, and that is more danger for less reward than many players want. Ninja mining is a royal pain until you get good at it, and GETTING good at it costs more ships than many people want to lose. Between dodging NPC spawns, PC pirates, and the navy of whatever alliance you are poaching ore from, it's just too much trouble. Many people would rather just leave the Ark and Bis to the people who can fly in with a dozen battleships and stripmine it all day with no more risk than solo Jaspet mining in 0.2...
Besides, it takes a lot more low-end minerals to build a ship than Mega and Zy, and SOMEONE has to dig them!
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