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Cedric Diggory
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Posted - 2007.09.09 14:20:00 -
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Whilst people rant and rave about how much of a problem super capitals in are in low security empire space, I believe there is a simpler solution. Allow the anchoring of mobile warp disruption bubbles and allow Interdictors to drop their warp disruption probes in 0.1 to 0.4 and like with smartbombs make this trigger a global criminal flag. Interdictors may deploy their payload, but they will not last long under fire from the sentry guns. Likewise, an Industrial attempting to anchor a bubble would be toasted long before it completed.
If such a bubble were deployed, like drones this would be flagged to the sentry guns and as such would be destroyed relatively quickly. As far as I know, neither have been allowed to be used in empire space at any time, so surely it's worth at least throwing on the test server and seeing how it works?
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OrAnGe MuFfInMaN
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:13:00 -
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agreed, brilliant idea, would make low sec hard to get through like it always should be
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Reggie Stoneloader
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:37:00 -
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Nah, it's too easy to distract the sentries with other ships, or to remote tank a ship while the bubble gets anchored. A six-man gate camp with a Hawk tackler, a few remote sensor boosters and a remote tank is already a very fine sieve.
Bombs I can agree with, there's no reason not to allow them in low-sec. A Raven full of smartbombs is allowed, why not bombs?
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Cedric Diggory
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:50:00 -
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Quote: Nah, it's too easy to distract the sentries with other ships, or to remote tank a ship while the bubble gets anchored. A six-man gate camp with a Hawk tackler, a few remote sensor boosters and a remote tank is already a very fine sieve.
Sentry distraction is a bridge we can cross when we come to it, perhaps by boosting sentry damage output, increasing the number of guns or either increasing/reducing their target cycle time. As for the remote sensor boosters and repair, how would this help keep a super capital pinned down?
I don't want to see those ships barred from lowsec, as they are a talking point in and of themselves when they do appear (although from what I understand, we've seen the last of the Triumvirate motherships camping the Nonni-Aunanen gate) but as it stands, they are invincible.
Anchoring bubbles and allowing Interdictors is the only way I can see it working.
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Tonto Auri
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:00:00 -
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Bombs probably can do the trick... With criminal flag upon launcher activation. In lowsec, SB can warp out but in high it will be caught by CONCORD.
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Cedric Diggory
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Cedric Diggory on 09/09/2007 16:06:06
Quote: Bombs probably can do the trick... With criminal flag upon launcher activation. In lowsec, SB can warp out but in high it will be caught by CONCORD.
Including the loss of the bomb itself, this would be a very viable (and highly effective) suicide tactic with little more loss than with currently available ships. It's not so much that in itself that would be a problem, but you just know the moment it's introduced that Jita would get... interesting.
I know I'd be there to drop a bomb at 4-4, warp to a bookmark at the edge of the grid in my pod after Concord get me and get ready to laugh my ass off at the carnage. The alternative (an Interdictor dropping a bubble outside 4-4 and being promptly obliterated by Concord for it) is far less dangerous.
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Tonto Auri
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:48:00 -
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Bubbles are no-no in empire anyway. -- Thanks CCP for cu<end of sig> |
Reggie Stoneloader
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.09 16:55:00 -
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Simple. Have Concord shoot the bomb. No boom, no gank.
And I meant that bubbles in low-sec would make normal camps more effective, which they do not need to be. It would be best just to have motherships altered so that currently available low-sec tactics (like warp jammers) can lock them down. Leave them immune to normal EW, but take away their invincible warp cores and just require ten points on them. They should not be solo pwnmobiles, but adding dictor bubbles and warp disruption bubbles to low-sec is a huge can of worms. You'd need two alt scouts to watch all the gates you need to watch.
Ideally, low-sec would be "controlled" by local warlords, and you'd have to bribe/ally yourself with them to get through the camps, but since a pirate can sell a load of Dysprosium just as easily as a carebear can, the value of the cargo is absolute, meaning that loot is worth more than any reasonable bribe, which leads to gankage instead of piracy.
How it ought to be:
"Hey, this load of ore isn't worth anything to you, but it'll make me 80M three jumps down the road. I'll pay you 10 of it if you let me pass"
"Yar, that be a fine offer. Nice doing business with you."
How it is:
"Hey, this load of..." *BOOM*
"Yar, scoop that with an alt and haul it to empire for unregulated sale on the open market."
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drillerkiller2004
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:08:00 -
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How about having Capital Sentry guns?
Simple really. They would only engage capital ships that are flagged. I'm not saying guns that would insta pop.....but certainly enough damage that they would hang around for any prolonged period.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:46:00 -
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I don't like the idea, as it doesn't target super capitals specifically, but rather all ships trying to get through camps. And people would quickly figure out how to circumvent sentries. Frankly I think it would be terrible for losec.
Alternate idea: New bubble types, deployable anywhere, that only affect capitals. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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drillerkiller2004
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske I don't like the idea, as it doesn't target super capitals specifically, but rather all ships trying to get through camps. And people would quickly figure out how to circumvent sentries. Frankly I think it would be terrible for losec.
Alternate idea: New bubble types, deployable anywhere, that only affect capitals.
The only way they would cirmunavigate sentry fire would be if they had a fleet of capital ships sharing the fire....just like normal ships. But who is going to do that? If you have that many cap ships you're in a different league to gate campers.
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Cedric Diggory
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Posted - 2007.09.09 17:59:00 -
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Quote: Alternate idea: New bubble types, deployable anywhere, that only affect capitals.
This is a nice idea, that can even be justified from an RP perspective. Think of the technology that powers a warp disruption sphere, but "watered down". Larger than a normal interdiction sphere, it has no effect on ships smaller than a Mothership.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.09.09 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: drillerkiller2004
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske I don't like the idea, as it doesn't target super capitals specifically, but rather all ships trying to get through camps. And people would quickly figure out how to circumvent sentries. Frankly I think it would be terrible for losec.
Alternate idea: New bubble types, deployable anywhere, that only affect capitals.
The only way they would cirmunavigate sentry fire would be if they had a fleet of capital ships sharing the fire....just like normal ships. But who is going to do that? If you have that many cap ships you're in a different league to gate campers.
Sorry about that, I was referring to the original idea, not to yours. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
-Douglas Adams, writing about EVE |
drillerkiller2004
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Posted - 2007.09.09 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
Originally by: drillerkiller2004
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske I don't like the idea, as it doesn't target super capitals specifically, but rather all ships trying to get through camps. And people would quickly figure out how to circumvent sentries. Frankly I think it would be terrible for losec.
Alternate idea: New bubble types, deployable anywhere, that only affect capitals.
The only way they would cirmunavigate sentry fire would be if they had a fleet of capital ships sharing the fire....just like normal ships. But who is going to do that? If you have that many cap ships you're in a different league to gate campers.
Sorry about that, I was referring to the original idea, not to yours.
Ah sorry
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