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Jammed Undies
Ponto Final E C L I P S E
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:24:00 -
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On January 24 the Fuel Blocks will be the default for all POS. The POS will be turned off if you do not have the Fuel Blocks or enter into reinforcement? And the new fuel can now be placed in the POS before January 24? Will it work?
Sorry my english, google translate ... |
Droxlyn
TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:44:00 -
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Place fuel blocks in now for the 24th. Put extra current fuel in case a bad update does not switch. |
Jammed Undies
Ponto Final E C L I P S E
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:48:00 -
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But now if I put the blocks of fuel in a POS it will work or just after the update? |
Droxlyn
TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:56:00 -
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Place both in now. Use old before downtime on 24th. Use new after downtime on 24th.
Put 2 days extra old fuel in so that if something goes wrong during downtime, your tower stays good. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.01.19 00:57:00 -
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Wasn't there something about them doubling the storage capacity for a time to allow people to transition?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.19 00:57:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Wasn't there something about them doubling the storage capacity for a time to allow people to transition?
Correct |
Vex Thee
Bondage House
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:31:00 -
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Will the fuel blocks work now?(before update)
Yes they will.
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Quotia
InterGalactic Corp.
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:44:00 -
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So I can go fuel blocks only now even before the patch? |
Vex Thee
Bondage House
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:55:00 -
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yes |
RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:16:00 -
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Quotia wrote:So I can go fuel blocks only now even before the patch? yes and you have to if you want it to stay online over the DT
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Droxlyn
TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:24:00 -
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Quotia wrote:So I can go fuel blocks only now even before the patch?
No.
Your tower will go offline if it has only fuel blocks in it.
You need old fuel until the 24th.
You can put fuel blocks in now so that your tower will stay online after the downtime on the 24th.
You will want extra old fuel in the tower in the event that something goes wrong during downtime on the 24th. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:26:00 -
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No. You must have in your tower..
OLD FUEL that last at least until downtime on 24th. No old fuel -> tower offline immediately.
You also should put in
FUEL BLOCKS - at the moment they are not used but they can be inserted. After DT on 24th they start to be consumed. No blocks in tower at that moment -> tower offline.
Need both fuel. Normal fuel for another 5 days or so (plus some backup, maybe 2 extra days) and blocks (so tower doesn't run out of fuel at DT on 24th).
Once tower starts to use blocks, the remaining old fuel still stays there and you can then take it out and use it as raw material for more blocks.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:52:00 -
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Vex Thee wrote:Will the fuel blocks work now?(before update)
Yes they will.
Fuel Blocks can NOT be consumed until the 24th. Code isn't even on server yet. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Kagan Storm
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:18:00 -
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Why are they square?
Why couldn't amarr ones be oval... Galente green, caldari ones misshapen and Minmatar ones made from toilet water and septic tank produce? My ego is the the size of my carriers jump range.
If i comment on your post you are probably not smart and should go back to playing WoW. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:45:00 -
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Kagan Storm wrote:Why are they square? Why couldn't amarr ones be oval... Galente green, caldari ones misshapen and Minmatar ones made from toilet water and septic tank produce?
Because they are... blocks?
Tho I do agree that Minmatar could be made of re-treated sewage.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:46:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Kagan Storm wrote:Why are they square? Why couldn't amarr ones be oval... Galente green, caldari ones misshapen and Minmatar ones made from toilet water and septic tank produce? Because they are... blocks? Tho I do agree that Minmatar could be made of re-treated sewage.
If it doesn't include rust and duct tape, it is not truly Minmatar. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:51:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Kagan Storm wrote:Why are they square? Why couldn't amarr ones be oval... Galente green, caldari ones misshapen and Minmatar ones made from toilet water and septic tank produce? Because they are... blocks? Tho I do agree that Minmatar could be made of re-treated sewage. If it doesn't include rust and duct tape, it is not truly Minmatar.
Well, these blocks all are made of blueprints produced by Thukker Tribe, so I suspect these blocks have a secret ingredient that is used to hold all the processed fuel together in a neat block shape...
...well, duct tape. Of course.
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Kagan Storm
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.01.20 12:03:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Kagan Storm wrote:Why are they square? Why couldn't amarr ones be oval... Galente green, caldari ones misshapen and Minmatar ones made from toilet water and septic tank produce? Because they are... blocks? Tho I do agree that Minmatar could be made of re-treated sewage. If it doesn't include rust and duct tape, it is not truly Minmatar.
Ducktape burns i agree with that but i dont see why would i wana put rust in my engine unless it was already there? As a catalyst maybe? My ego is the the size of my carriers jump range.
If i comment on your post you are probably not smart and should go back to playing WoW. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:02:00 -
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As many have already said the tower will need old fuel before the update and the fuel blocks after.
This will be an instant change occurring at downtime on the 24th..
There will be no period where both fuel types will work.
This is why all towers had there fuel storage bay temporarily doubled so you could put in a full fuel bay load of fuel blocks and still have a full fuel bay worth of storage for the old fuel until the update goes live after down time on the 24th.
Personally the only thing I am unclear on is what happens if you have the double fuel bay full when down time for the update comes?
Will the fuel bay just be temporarily over loaded until the extra is used up or will the extra fuel be moved to the nearest corp hanger? Since not all POS's have a corp hanger array this could be a problem that might cause a bug when it goes live. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:30:00 -
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I am not 100% sure, but I do not think the patch which causes the pos to use fuel blocks will be the same that reduce the size of the fuel bay. I think that is a later patch. |
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:29:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote: Personally the only thing I am unclear on is what happens if you have the double fuel bay full when down time for the update comes?
Will the fuel bay just be temporarily over loaded until the extra is used up or will the extra fuel be moved to the nearest corp hanger? Since not all POS's have a corp hanger array this could be a problem that might cause a bug when it goes live.
The fuel bay size will revert to the original "expanded" size on the 24th, same time as the fuel switch. The "old" fuel bays held about 22 days of fuel, the new "expanded" size holds about 28 days. So going forward, we'll be able to put about a month's worth of fuel into the towers at a time.
If your tower's fuel bay is filled to the brim and overflowing after the size changes downward, the only thing that happens is nothing at all. You can remove existing fuel, but you can't add more fuel because the fuel bay is already full (and over-full). (And the dev responsible for the change answered in an earlier thread that they had tested to see what happens if a fuel bay is "over-full" and it worked fine.)
So if you were to fill up your tower is about 1 week of old-style fuel today, then cram it full of pellets, you could conceivably not have to refill the tower until late-March (about 8 weeks from now). |
Yith Za'bolazhi
Digital Frontiers
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:32:00 -
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Did these new fuel blocks make running a tower more expensive with the change |
Lando Antilles
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:38:00 -
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Yith Za'bolazhi wrote:Did these new fuel blocks make running a tower more expensive with the change
/sigh
to answer your question... EVE = spreadsheets
or, you could read any of the many threads on this topic. |
Yith Za'bolazhi
Digital Frontiers
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:22:00 -
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Lando Antilles wrote:Yith Za'bolazhi wrote:Did these new fuel blocks make running a tower more expensive with the change /sigh to answer your question... EVE = spreadsheets or, you could read any of the many threads on this topic.
When i was at skool we never had computers let alone spread sheets.
Besides theirs always some other noob to do that these days & no i don't read the forums as they are full of crap & constantly repeated **** .
I was just hoping some noob would repeat various crap before i have to do any real work with a pen & paper |
Dusty Meg
Redbull Air Race Inc
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Posted - 2012.01.24 10:56:00 -
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Yith Za'bolazhi wrote:Lando Antilles wrote:Yith Za'bolazhi wrote:Did these new fuel blocks make running a tower more expensive with the change /sigh to answer your question... EVE = spreadsheets or, you could read any of the many threads on this topic. When i was at skool we never had computers let alone spread sheets. Besides theirs always some other noob to do that these days & no i don't read the forums as they are full of crap & constantly repeated **** . I was just hoping some noob would repeat various crap before i have to do any real work with a pen & paper
Technically yes the new fuel blocks did make the pos more expensive to run, however all they have done is make the towers run asif all the cpu and powergrid was being used up, so depending on how you ran your tower the price would wither stay the same or go up abit. If your buying the blocks ready made off the market atm then the price to run a tower has sky rocketed, but if your building the blocks yourself the prices would be much of a change. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.24 11:41:00 -
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So, place your bets now...
Once DT is over and patch is deployed, what will happen?
- Will every tower be offline? - Will POSes have sprouted wings, gained sentience and are chomping up all defensive modules? - Will there be epic emergency downtimes and reboots to fix things?
:awaits server onlining in anticipation with a bag of popcorn:
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Lili Lu
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:08:00 -
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on a very cursory inspection in just one empire system, it appears to me that about 40-50% of pos are offline as of the eve time of this post.
I'm sure there are people running larger samples, especially in low sec and null sec |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:02:00 -
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actually the cost of running a small or medium tower has be reduced.
Compare the fuel requirements of the towers before the patch to the costs of a run of fuel blocks.
small tower 4 hours = 40 blocks
medium 2 hours = 40 blocks
large 1 hour = 40 blocks
for example before the patch all towers used 1 robotics per hour regardless of size. Now the fuel block blueprint uses 1 robotics for 40 blocks or 4 hours on a small tower.
I will not post my spreadsheet but there are several fuel components that are significantly less for small and medium towers. only minor savings on large towers with well researched BPO's.
I have been making large batches of fuel blocks with BPO's at 200 ME and 100 PE (just because I had extra time with the patch pushed off, might as well leave them in the cooker)
I have seen significant saving on small and medium towers. not so much on a large.
The only real increase is in fuel isk cost from the increase in the cost of the fuel materials but that was a result of the new customs office nothing to do with the fuel blocks. The actual amount of fuel materials consumed is lower over all. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:27:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:on a very cursory inspection in just one empire system, it appears to me that about 40-50% of pos are offline as of the eve time of this post.
Null/Low would be more interesting.
In hi-sec, due to way corp standings work and the requirement to have 5.00 / 6.00 / 7.00 corp standings to anchor new towers, many corps with expansion plans will anchor a bunch of towers during that week when they have the required standings - but they will then leave most of them offline (but anchored).
So offline towers in hi-sec today don't mean that they forgot to put in fuel blocks. Especially if there is nothing around the tower or just some defensive modules.
Offlined towers with labs / arrays, OTOH, are probably good evidence of abandonment or someone who didn't remember to put in fuel blocks. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
638
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:33:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:actually the cost of running a small or medium tower has be reduced.
Compare the fuel requirements of the towers before the patch to the costs of a run of fuel blocks.
Small/medium tower costs went down by a fair amount. Assuming that you bought all of your ingredients today, and burned the max PG/CPU (not always the case, but it only lowers the number a bit):
Amarr: 141 / 226 / 396 Caldari: 146 / 235 / 415 Gallente: 182 / 306 / 557 Minmatar: 152 / 248 / 440
With the new fuel pellets (assuming that you manufacture your own):
Amarr: 94 / 187 / 371 - 12894 ISK/u Caldari: 99 / 195 / 388 - 13476 ISK/u Gallente: 130 / 258 / 514 - 17863 ISK/u Minmatar: 104 / 206 / 411 - 14257 ISK/u
Under the old system, most hi-sec towers were CPU-capped and maybe only used 1/3 of their PG. You might think this is a big deal, except that the maximum ISK you would pay to fuel a large tower with HW is only about 13.5M ISK/30d (at 125 ISK/u). And once HW drops back down below 90 ISK/u, it becomes even less of an issue.
The LOz price, OTOH, is a bigger chunk of change. For a large tower under the old system, if you were maxed out on CPU you paid about 52.4M ISK per 30 days.
So, large towers mostly broke about even. Medium towers saw a very definite decrease per month of 20-30M ISK. Small towers saw a decrease in costs per month of 20-30M ISK.
And as I've said repeatedly over the past few months - if your business plan can't handle POS fuel costs going up/down by 20% month to month, then you need to rethink your business plan. Or start supplementing your income with PI planets and doing some ice mining. Or stock up when fuel components are cheap, enough to outlast any temporary price spikes. |
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