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Surreptitious
Isk Sink Inc. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:03:00 -
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I asked Hammer the following question: "Will the Myrmidon and Eos be capable of fielding 5 Heavy Drones after this change?"
And received this reply: "Specific balance changes can be discussed ad nauseam in the resulting forum thread based on not only the upcoming blog but also your testing on SISI. Like I said before we aren't doing this just to nerf you. I'm sure you will all agree it stands to reason that having balanced ships is better than having one ship that is far better than all other other ships in it's class."
Read into it what you will but it appears as though that is a politically correct 'Yes you are being nerfed".
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just found it funny they are trying to sneak the change in.
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Syrup
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iiOs
Evil Things
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:09:00 -
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was about time
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Ruciza
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:09:00 -
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What's sneaky? They were going to say it in a Devblog as always.
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:09:00 -
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tbh its about time that the myrm loses its ability to field 5 heavies... ---------------------------------------
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:09:00 -
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They both needed a nerf anyway.
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Augeas
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:10:00 -
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Quote: "Specific balance changes can be discussed ad nauseam in the resulting forum thread based on not only the upcoming blog but also your testing on SISI. Like I said before we aren't doing this just to nerf you. I'm sure you will all agree it stands to reason that having balanced ships is better than having one ship that is far better than all other other ships in it's class."
Hello Mr Myrmidon and Mrs Eos, meet Nigel Erfbat. And about bloody time.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:12:00 -
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About bloody time.
Also, in before the Drone-spec'd Gallente pilot counter-nerf whine brigade.
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Skyblue
Oy Haulinalle Ab
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:15:00 -
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Ishtar too? It can field 5 heavies as well
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:16:00 -
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I wouldn't mind if they changed that drone bay bonus on Eos to drone damage, though. Makes little sense to have room for billions of waves. ---
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oniplE
NED-Clan R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:25:00 -
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I can understand the myrmidon nerf, if the dronebay is increased, i'd actually like it better than the old one, 5 heavies is nice but i dont like the idea of no spares in the bay.
But the eos, its a commandship for crying out loud, without a drone damage bonus, its drone damage output isnt that much in its current form.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: oniplE I can understand the myrmidon nerf, if the dronebay is increased, i'd actually like it better than the old one, 5 heavies is nice but i dont like the idea of no spares in the bay.
But the eos, its a commandship for crying out loud, without a drone damage bonus, its drone damage output isnt that much in its current form.
It's a fleet command ship. You're not supposed to gank things with it, you're supposed to sit behind your formidable tank and provide gang bonuses. Any damage you throw out is just an extra. If you want a more even mix of damage and tank, there's always the Astarte.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:43:00 -
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Dont forget to nerf the Moros as well while you are at it.
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
Originally by: oniplE I can understand the myrmidon nerf, if the dronebay is increased, i'd actually like it better than the old one, 5 heavies is nice but i dont like the idea of no spares in the bay.
But the eos, its a commandship for crying out loud, without a drone damage bonus, its drone damage output isnt that much in its current form.
It's a fleet command ship. You're not supposed to gank things with it, you're supposed to sit behind your formidable tank and provide gang bonuses. Any damage you throw out is just an extra. If you want a more even mix of damage and tank, there's always the Astarte.
It's a fleet command ship. Its not supposed to be a solopwnmobile. Compare the current eos to for example a vulture and tell me do you see balance issues? ---------------------------------------
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:47:00 -
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Eh, I'm willing to take the "nerf" if it means I can carry multiple flights of mediums. Seriously.
Liang
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Skyblue Ishtar too? It can field 5 heavies as well
The Ishtar has horribly gimped CPU and grid in exchange for the ability to field 5 heavies. The Myrmidon doesn't, you can get a full rack of autocannons plus a tank on there in addition to the drones.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:48:00 -
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Oh, and Syrup - It's *AWESOME* to see you back on the forums. o7
Liang
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Skyblue Ishtar too? It can field 5 heavies as well
The Ishtar has horribly gimped CPU and grid in exchange for the ability to field 5 heavies. The Myrmidon doesn't, you can get a full rack of autocannons plus a tank on there in addition to the drones.
If you read the linked thread, it called the Ishtar and Dominix "heavy drone carriers". I bet they will continue to be able to field heavy drones.
Liang
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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:55:00 -
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oh well wasn't a big surprise tbh :p hope i can still fly it as shield tanked laserboat after the nerf :D
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Ask Unbeatable
Gallente HighTech Marines Ltd. FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:58:00 -
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/emote dies
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
My armory is full of smack, but this ******* profanity filter stops it all.
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Oedus Caro
Caldari Cross Roads
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ask Unbeatable /emote dies
Oh come on, surely you wouldn't deny that the Eos and Myrmidon are significantly more effective than the other races' equivalents... and surely you're not so self-centered as to want it to stay that way... surely.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:11:00 -
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It's disappointing to hear the Eos is being nerfed... As for the Myrm, I can sorta understand.
I just hope they don't touch the Ishtar... unless it's a cpu increase of course.
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Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:12:00 -
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Eos and Myrm are better at solo than the other tier 2 BC and Fleet Commands respectively.
Myrm sucks ass in gangs because drones suck ass in gangs.
Eos fitted with 3 gang mods has a 1 gun damage bonus over the Caldari fleet command but the Caldari ship has double the range.
So, in a gang fight the Eos drones are again worthless and the Caldari is more flexible.
I hate it when people cry for nerfs because a ships paper dps is better.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wayward Hooligan Eos and Myrm are better at solo than the other tier 2 BC and Fleet Commands respectively.
Myrm sucks ass in gangs because drones suck ass in gangs.
Eos fitted with 3 gang mods has a 1 gun damage bonus over the Caldari fleet command but the Caldari ship has double the range.
So, in a gang fight the Eos drones are again worthless and the Caldari is more flexible.
I hate it when people cry for nerfs because a ships paper dps is better.
Yeah. I hate it when my ships are nerfed because if you plot their stats under a wide range of situations they're overwhelmingly superior in the vast majority of them. I really liked gankagedons.
I am also shocked and appalled that the Gallente, a race specializing in close range combat, has, in fact, shorter range than the Caldari, a race that revolves around long range combat! If that's not enough, it appears that a weapon system of the close range race, drones, are in actuality, only useful under circumstances where short-range weapons are viable!
CCP, what madness is this?!
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wayward Hooligan Eos and Myrm are better at solo than the other tier 2 BC and Fleet Commands respectively.
Myrm sucks ass in gangs because drones suck ass in gangs.
Eos fitted with 3 gang mods has a 1 gun damage bonus over the Caldari fleet command but the Caldari ship has double the range.
So, in a gang fight the Eos drones are again worthless and the Caldari is more flexible.
I hate it when people cry for nerfs because a ships paper dps is better.
If your damage drones aren't cutting it, use ECM drones. They are most assuredly not worthless, BoB just lost in the Alliance tournament to ECM drones.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Wayward Hooligan Eos and Myrm are better at solo than the other tier 2 BC and Fleet Commands respectively.
Myrm sucks ass in gangs because drones suck ass in gangs.
Eos fitted with 3 gang mods has a 1 gun damage bonus over the Caldari fleet command but the Caldari ship has double the range.
So, in a gang fight the Eos drones are again worthless and the Caldari is more flexible.
I hate it when people cry for nerfs because a ships paper dps is better.
If your damage drones aren't cutting it, use ECM drones. They are most assuredly not worthless, BoB just lost in the Alliance tournament to ECM drones.
<3 BOB.
Try sentries.
Liang
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:43:00 -
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It would bite to nerf the Myr's drone bay. We just took a hit from the Nos nerf. If they balance it out with good named drones and fix the interface I won't cry. As much.
Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli |
Greenwing
SuX ltd.
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Greenwing on 11/09/2007 19:45:44
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
Yeah. I hate it when my ships are nerfed because if you plot their stats under a wide range of situations they're overwhelmingly superior in the vast majority of them. I really liked gankagedons.
I am also shocked and appalled that the Gallente, a race specializing in close range combat, has, in fact, shorter range than the Caldari, a race that revolves around long range combat! If that's not enough, it appears that a weapon system of the close range race, drones, are in actuality, only useful under circumstances where short-range weapons are viable!
CCP, what madness is this?!
I love posts like this and i can't agree more
Both ships are way too strong if compared to the other races equivalent ships so it's a good thing they are brought back in line again.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: MrTripps It would bite to nerf the Myr's drone bay. We just took a hit from the Nos nerf. If they balance it out with good named drones and fix the interface I won't cry. As much.
Seriously, does no one else see the insane value in the Myrmidon getting something like 175-200m^3 of medium drones?
Sure, its a nerf, but it just gives the Myrmidon flexibility instead of wtfuberomgbbqhax damage output.
Liang
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Katashi Ishizuka
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:56:00 -
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The Myrm was fine when it had enough drone bay for 4 heavy drones.
If they make it so that it moves totally to medium drones it'll be balanced with every other bc 1v1, but it'll suck in gangs compared to the turret BCs. So I hope they let it keep 4 heavy drones.
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Inquis Eisenhorn
MDK Syndicate Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.11 20:31:00 -
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HI Surreptitious!
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