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Nizar
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.26 09:09:00 -
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heya \o/
let me quote myself
Originally by: Nizar
... so here we go again: 1. some random corp with a cool name like hell-burn-blood-kill-outlaws whatever declares war on us, 2. gang people near bwf and in empire over a week or two, 3. presents an impressive "we owned you"-KB/kill ratio statistic in the forum, ...
today:
Originally by: Zaethiel
KB Stats for our Campaign, though the war ends tmrw.
Geminate: Sat 18th Aug, 2007 - Now 1368 kills / 81 losses 33,288,591,337 ISK / 3,623,156,297 ISK ...
i know i know, this kind of war thread pattern with subsequent kill statistics has been around since EVE started. i m just kinda disappointed about the presentation - buncha dry and boring numbers. no nice movie, no flash animation, not even a colorful chart or picture? so impersonal. seems to me like this war didnt mean as much to MDK as it did to us makes me feel cheap and used. anyhow, i hope the next corp that wardecs us puts more effort and creative energy into presenting their campaign results.
ps. MDK, dont even try to make something colorful now. its too late...
-------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
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Ilmonstre
NEXUS CLOUD
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Posted - 2007.09.26 11:16:00 -
[302]
not everybody get honored with a nice movie to recap the contract.
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Gods Coldblood
Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:05:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Zaethiel Edited by: Zaethiel on 26/09/2007 08:16:04 No more pew pew =(.
KB Stats for our Campaign, though the war ends tmrw.
Geminate: Sat 18th Aug, 2007 - Now 1368 kills / 81 losses 33,288,591,337 ISK / 3,623,156,297 ISK
Kills / Losses by Class 74 / 2----Battlecruiser 85 / 6----Battleship 556 / 20--Capsule 1 / 0-----Carrier 73 / 0----Cruiser 11 / 0----Destroyer 7 / 0-----Elite Battlecruiser 53 / 15---Elite Cruiser 17 / 6----Elite Destroyer 112 / 30--Elite Frigate 13 / 0----Elite Industrial 6 / 0-----Elite Mining Barge 112 / 2---Frigate 53 / 0----Industrial 4 / 0-----Mining Barge 100 / 0---Rookie ship 91 / 0----Shuttle
SmashKill Campaign: Wed 12th Sep, 2007 - Now 903 kills / 92 losses 30,827,636,991 ISK / 4,275,284,248 ISK
Kills / Losses by Class 85 / 2----Battlecruiser 84 / 13---Battleship 318 / 23--Capsule 76 / 1----Cruiser 8 / 0-----Destroyer 13 / 1----Elite Battlecruiser 38 / 16---Elite Cruiser 8 / 4-----Elite Destroyer 74 / 30---Elite Frigate 6 / 0-----Elite Industrial 2 / 0-----Elite Mining Barge 40 / 2----Frigate 44 / 0----Industrial 8 / 0-----Mining Barge 78 / 0----Rookie ship 21 / 0----Shuttle
hehe gj guys tho it doesnt suprise me at all MD-K 4tw
p.s
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Maximor
Fifth Exiled Legion Ground Zeero
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:18:00 -
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2007.09.26 01:21 Black Watch Legionnaires has declared war on Ground Zeero. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
Accounting Error?
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:35:00 -
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Sat 18th Aug, 2007 - Now 1368 kills / 81 losses
Wed 12th Sep, 2007 - Now 903 kills / 92 losses
*cough* fudged.
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Zilkin
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Nova Sat 18th Aug, 2007 - Now 1368 kills / 81 losses
Wed 12th Sep, 2007 - Now 903 kills / 92 losses
*cough* fudged.
This! ...or it could be that campaign named "Geminate" only takes into account fighting that has actually happened in the Geminate region when on the other hand campaign named Smashkill takes into account all the kills and losses against these alliance no matter where they happened ?
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Xeno Metamorph
Gallente Ventis Secundis R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:49:00 -
[307]
903 kills,
minus the pods, shuttles, industrials, mining ships. [leaving elite industrials in]
442...
Now I appreciate obviously your intent was not to kill only combat ships, hell, that would mean you were looking for a fight and not a gank, right? :)
I first saw the 903 and thought wtf?? but if you break it down, its probably more a reasonable number than it looks on the offset. When you camp a 'gateway' via empire/0.0 for a major alliance with in the reaches of 3,000+ members, im suprised you didnt get more.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.09.26 12:56:00 -
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The 100 rookie ship kills are a nice touch. I for one see the value in listing all of these, quite a rookie ship loss on this scale is going to hurt. The capsules from the half dozen guys that were killed 50 ish times each will also hurt.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zilkin This! ...or it could be that campaign named "Geminate" only takes into account fighting that has actually happened in the Geminate region when on the other hand campaign named Smashkill takes into account all the kills and losses against these alliance no matter where they happened ?
Garoun Investment Bank will be most displeased at their unintended involvment in padding your stats :o If you assume all of the ships killed were the most expensive possible of their class, you still get less than half the 30bn isk. And that's raw value, not using insurance or anything like that to escape. So the isk values are way way way off.
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Xaeon
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nizar
i know i know, this kind of war thread pattern with subsequent kill statistics has been around since EVE started. i m just kinda disappointed about the presentation - buncha dry and boring numbers. no nice movie, no flash animation, not even a colorful chart or picture? so impersonal. seems to me like this war didnt mean as much to MDK as it did to us makes me feel cheap and used. anyhow, i hope the next corp that wardecs us puts more effort and creative energy into presenting their campaign results.
ps. MDK, dont even try to make something colorful now. its too late...
To be honest bud, Zaeth is going to get a slap for posting the results. Secondly my next video is on the way, but these things take time and the war was only stopped last night
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Dracos Xenos
Path of Light R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:17:00 -
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Impressive stats until u remove shuttles, pods, and rookie ships... 1368 kills widdled down to 621. So although still pretty good... more then 50% of your kills was scouts...
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.26 13:49:00 -
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To those who are saying "You didn't kill enough of us", I am glad to say that we have met several members of Smashkill who in private, or local when their alliance-mates weren't around, dropped the attitude and discussed MDK's impact on your operations in frank and open terms...so we know the deal, as do most of you...I understand the need for bravado, if we didn't kill enough of you this time we'll try to do a better job the next time...
Mucho respect to Scooter and a few other Roadkill FC's who led some really great gangs against us where the fights were great, and local was free of smack.
Also props to the Smash and Roadkill pirates who operate in the low-sec area's around BWF, they were always smack-free fights and the pirates had the good pvp attitude you find with most pirates!
Thanks as well to the pilots who just had fun and had a good attitude, and good convo's
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dracos Xenos Impressive stats until u remove shuttles, pods, and rookie ships... 1368 kills widdled down to 621. So although still pretty good... more then 50% of your kills was scouts...
The stats also don't include any POS losses...
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Peanut Swsh
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 26/09/2007 14:15:30
Originally by: Wesley Baird To those who are saying "You didn't kill enough of us", I am glad to say that we have met several members of Smashkill who in private, or local when their alliance-mates weren't around, dropped the attitude and discussed MDK's impact on your operations in frank and open terms...so we know the deal, as do most of you...I understand the need for bravado, if we didn't kill enough of you this time we'll try to do a better job the next time...
Mucho respect to Scooter and a few other Roadkill FC's who led some really great gangs against us where the fights were great, and local was free of smack.
Also props to the Smash and Roadkill pirates who operate in the low-sec area's around BWF, they were always smack-free fights and the pirates had the good pvp attitude you find with most pirates!
Thanks as well to the pilots who just had fun and had a good attitude, and good convo's
I guess you must be talking to the weaker/stupider members of our alliance :) i know several people died repeatedly doing the same stupid things. please encourage those you talked to to leave rk, tbh we don't need members with that attitude. And its always hilarious when you hear members cry in intel channel about getting ganked, and you show info, and they have been in smashkill for <30days.
You guys are a decent pvp outfit no question. But you fought for the most part only when you had the advantage and knew for sure you could win, as is expected. And you were able to generate good stats doing so. I think a lot of our pilots don't share the same mentality and are happy to jump into a fight despite pretty much certain defeat. A lot of older RK pilots around are pretty much past the stage where kb stats mean anything, and the main thing is to have fun, and have a fight. And I'm sure those guys gave you a good fight. But tbh, I think you would have to admit that most of your kills where not so much fights, as ganks. And yep you guys are great gankers. So thanks, hopefully you weeded out the weak and stupid, and as for the rest, gf for the few occasions there was fights and not just ganks.
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zykerx
Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.26 14:24:00 -
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ooh i can go mining veldspar at empire again, yarr
wel cant say anythingh about mdk as i haventfought atall with ya guys (had other stuff todo and i dont use bwf area)
it will always have impact on somethingh, mostly logistics from empire although i personally use capitals for that
was pretty crowded at geminate with all the roaming gangs around :O tri gang at p-e, ci at hjo, mdk at bwf and some xxdeath somewere too you guys all blue to eachother btw ?
always surprised how many people die to a gatecamp / traps thats been told at intel and alliancechat for sometime alrdy,
good luck with ya next contract
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"MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
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lazlow lang
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:11:00 -
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Quote: The 100 rookie ship kills are a nice touch. I for one see the value in listing all of these, quite a rookie ship loss on this scale is going to hurt. The capsules from the half dozen guys that were killed 50 ish times each will also hurt.
I love the whole stat padding argument. It would be relevant if all Zaeth did was give a round figure of the kills and no breakdown. However, Zaeth did post the statistics for each individual class. The types of ships killed were not hidden or concealed. Additionally, pods are not worth any isk value on our boards and thus had zero impact on the isk damage inflicted during the campaign. I would also like to point out that it is not uncommon to post pods when summarizing data from a contract as Evil Pookie just included pods in his report yesterday.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: lazlow lang I would also like to point out that it is not uncommon to post pods when summarizing data from a contract as Evil Pookie just included pods in his report yesterday.
It is however uncommon to pod the same guy 50 times in an hour and post every one of those n00b ship kills and pods. One might even thing from that that he was one of your alts. Lets be fair, pods are likely to have some value, that's why they're posted. Rookie ships don't have any value, which is why most boards hide them and most people don't post them. Of course if you pod the same guy more than 5 times in a row, it's a good bet he has a free clone and his pod is totally worthless.
Also, 30 bn isk from 85 battleships, 13 command ships etc ? SMASHKill lost less taking MJ- and lost one hell of alot more ships as well as multiple caps doing that.
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Dracos Xenos
Path of Light R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dracos Xenos on 26/09/2007 15:31:54 Bah, who care's, they pwned us SMASHkill is now disbanding and everyone's leaving broke and shipless... it was a war dec to end all war decs... Like USN stated this is nothing new. Next week it it'll some guys named Kill-Murder-Death uber wtfbbq SMASHkill which is already a dead alliance
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John Blackthorn
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.26 16:13:00 -
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Here is the typical setup...
Two or three players sitting on bwf gate camping, MDK send in a scout see what they have and send in the ships to counter what is on the gate plus a little extra support for "just in case".
Those players on the gate get ganked or warp off.
We report the gate is hostile, and in like ten minutes we have a gang of 30, 40, 50.. we form up in bwf, mdk go back to airaken and dock.
I was disapointed that these members sitting on the bwf gate were repeatly told to not camp the gate and if they get ganked it's there fault. Some just didn't care and were looking for the lucky kill. Others were just didn't want to listen.
I was disapointed and many people get ****ed at me when we start forming a gang and I say gang is closed. And then people keep inviting and instead of taking 6-10 people out for a fight against mdk we end up with 30-50 and mdk just dockup.
So MDK have been effective because our in-ability to deal with the smaller gangs. We just got use to the 100 vs 100+ fights.
But over-all scope of things MDK were effective against a very small group or rk players though, it didn't disrupt much of any supply lines, nor ship replament or anything. A loss of isk spread out amongs many people vs isk loss spread out amognst a few MDK probibly took about the same loss as we did.
-John
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.26 16:25:00 -
[320]
Originally by: John Blackthorn [snip]
I would also mention respect to Mr.Blackthorn's gangs, much like fighting Scooter led gangs, there was no smack when he was in charge and he brought the fight to us. We always enjoyed seeing you in local, we only wish we had the numbers on when your carrier made an appearence!
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xBlood
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 16:33:00 -
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Guess smashkill didn't want that 30bil anyway
Grats to mdk on a nice job...and smashkill leave the smack out. Gets tiring tbh.
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Sidewayzracer
Caldari Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.26 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: John Blackthorn Here is the typical setup...
Two or three players sitting on bwf gate camping, MDK send in a scout see what they have and send in the ships to counter what is on the gate plus a little extra support for "just in case".
Those players on the gate get ganked or warp off.
We report the gate is hostile, and in like ten minutes we have a gang of 30, 40, 50.. we form up in bwf, mdk go back to airaken and dock.
I was disapointed that these members sitting on the bwf gate were repeatly told to not camp the gate and if they get ganked it's there fault. Some just didn't care and were looking for the lucky kill. Others were just didn't want to listen.
I was disapointed and many people get ****ed at me when we start forming a gang and I say gang is closed. And then people keep inviting and instead of taking 6-10 people out for a fight against mdk we end up with 30-50 and mdk just dockup.
So MDK have been effective because our in-ability to deal with the smaller gangs. We just got use to the 100 vs 100+ fights.
But over-all scope of things MDK were effective against a very small group or rk players though, it didn't disrupt much of any supply lines, nor ship replament or anything. A loss of isk spread out amongs many people vs isk loss spread out amognst a few MDK probibly took about the same loss as we did.
-John
Very wellsaid john imho best post by a smashkill member thus far
i agree on the 30bil in damage spread out over 500-600 targets isnt a whole lot. And the senerio that you stated is the usually course of things except we generally try and come back sometimes where fast enough and we get a fight, others we r slowed by some of the other unpreparded members and miss it once u guys get bored and leave.
but i have 2 say there has been some nice fights between us i know of a few times my balls ran and hid when i was in warp too the bwf gate about 2 take u on. definatly was fun and i would enjoy paying u guys a visit again in the future. but to the few....well not so few members of ur respected alliances pls can u cut the smack in local just a tad. it doesnt refelect well on the rest of ur alliance mates.
though a good portion of the losses we suffered where paid for cutesy of some of ur pilots in the form of 6 hulks rigged bustard with moon mineral fitted raven plus normal loot.
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SpankMeElmo
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.26 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: SpankMeElmo on 26/09/2007 16:55:27
Goodfights, MD-K. We learned some from your BS gang "turtled up" on that gate.
edit: I heard earlier in the campaign about MD-K using logon traps and dodgy tactics. I didn't see any of that. Straight-up fighting.
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Tenebrys
Promethean Industries R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.26 16:55:00 -
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thx
i think we were scared
now we can stop watching local in kaunokka
thx
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Zilkin
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.26 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: SpankMeElmo Edited by: SpankMeElmo on 26/09/2007 16:55:27
Goodfights, MD-K. We learned some from your BS gang "turtled up" on that gate.
edit: I heard earlier in the campaign about MD-K using logon traps and dodgy tactics. I didn't see any of that. Straight-up fighting.
I donŠt really care what you think about our kb stats or whatever tbh but that is so utter bs that I canŠt even begin to imagine where you got that from. We NEVER ever you use stuff like logon traps. At least you admitted that we fought you guys fairly and I thank you for that :)
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Zillazuki
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.26 18:01:00 -
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It was a lot of fun barring a bit of the old smack and ctrl+q...
In addition there are a few ballsy pilots hanging around BWF, you guys should show them a bit more love instead of calling them names and hanging them out to dry...I'd be happy to have any one of them in a gang with me.
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CrushProject
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Posted - 2007.09.26 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: CrushProject on 26/09/2007 18:16:54 Edited by: CrushProject on 26/09/2007 18:15:56
Originally by: SpankMeElmo Edited by: SpankMeElmo on 26/09/2007 16:55:27
Goodfights, MD-K. We learned some from your BS gang "turtled up" on that gate.
edit: I heard earlier in the campaign about MD-K using logon traps and dodgy tactics. I didn't see any of that. Straight-up fighting.
they just did it yesterday in oij. About 5 logged on ontop of me and still couldnt stop my virtually naked raven.
I would be worried about it if it they didnt suck at it. The way they stand now they were doing 10 times better before they started this tactic rofl.
EDIT: and just noticed the line: 'we never ever use tricks like this'
you need to start keeping an eye on your boys then m8 because i know for a fact what ive seen.
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Sidewayzracer
Caldari Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.26 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Sidewayzracer on 26/09/2007 18:24:29 do u have the names of said pilots conducting this logon trap and ill have a word with them personally. but in my opinion it is most likly a misinterpretation on ur part. eve mail me the names ingame pls
PS u might wanna turn on ur corp or alliance ticker b4 u post or face the snipping
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Talpa Iute
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.26 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: CrushProject Edited by: CrushProject on 26/09/2007 18:16:54 Edited by: CrushProject on 26/09/2007 18:15:56
Originally by: SpankMeElmo Edited by: SpankMeElmo on 26/09/2007 16:55:27
Goodfights, MD-K. We learned some from your BS gang "turtled up" on that gate.
edit: I heard earlier in the campaign about MD-K using logon traps and dodgy tactics. I didn't see any of that. Straight-up fighting.
they just did it yesterday in oij. About 5 logged on ontop of me and still couldnt stop my virtually naked raven.
I would be worried about it if it they didnt suck at it. The way they stand now they were doing 10 times better before they started this tactic rofl.
EDIT: and just noticed the line: 'we never ever use tricks like this'
you need to start keeping an eye on your boys then m8 because i know for a fact what ive seen.
Dear mister I'm flying "Virtualy naked ravens in lowsec and 0.0" next time you see 5 ppl appear in local consider checking the gate yuo jumped trough.. *the big red stars on the icons might be a big giveway*.. if you're to dumb to load the appropiate overview.. well i'd say good riddence when i'll catch you in a belt with our ceptor gangs. _____________________________________________
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CrushProject
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Posted - 2007.09.26 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: CrushProject on 26/09/2007 18:34:58 lol. Ya sure m8. You just keep keepin on.
Hilarious.
what is an overview?
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