What? One who's mined more than twice in 7 years? Yeah I guess I'll have to be the voice of reason.

I like also how when someone disagrees with you with your epic plan to "save mining" then they are a troll. That's your answer when you can't just blow someone up that calls you out for talking out your ass.

Use some of your mad pvp skills to blow up some miners... like a boss!

I was thinking...

People don't like CAPTCHAs, but what if you didn't have to type it in? What if it only displayed it as a CAPTCHA in the overview? Not a the type of Ore, but the Density of the Ore being displayed as a CAPTCHA in the overview.

You may have some disagreements, but it would be a simple way to discourage botting. They wouldn't recognize it as easily, so it would be harder for them to tell something like Scordite apart from Massive Scordite.

I kind of like the idea of scanning for belts, but you should still keep statis belts, just make them not have as many asteroids, while the ones you have to scan contain rarer ores and denser asteroids, and they would be less likely to be visited by rats, making them safer.

I also like the 'Intuition' idea, OP.

I like how you try and discount the validity of what I have to say with the reasoning that if I haven't mined very much then I can't possibly offer anything positive to contribute to the situation. The majority of the posts in the thread say otherwise.

I know! Mixed Asteroids!

Each asteroid would be randomly generated. The security status of the location, wether or not it is a static belt, wether or not it is in deadspace, etc, would all be factors in determining which ores would be in the asteroid. The apperance of the asteroid will be dependent on whichever ore is most abundant within said asteroid.

Examples:









The list goes on.

I kind of like the idea of scanning for belts, but you should still keep statis belts, just make them not have as many asteroids, while the ones you have to scan contain rarer ores and denser asteroids, and they would be less likely to be visited by rats, making them safer.

I also like the 'Intuition' idea, OP.

If I post contrary to the majority of posters on the eve forums, I'm pretty ok with that.

Most people don't have the patience for mining. If they made every change you asked for I'd guess you would mine for a week or so, then go on to something else. Those who like it the way it is may not after the changes and unsub more than a couple accounts (miners are known to multibox).

I should go write a post on how to fix pvp. Probably won't matter that I haven't killed another player ever, but why should that stop me. I'm sure I'll think my ideas are grand and worthy!

In the 7+ years I've played this game, I think I might have mined maybe twice. Max. It was not for me. That being said, mining is one of the most important and fundamental aspects of Eve and it has never been improved upon since the start of the game. I'd like to share my thoughts on why it's so important and what could be done to revitalize this lackluster and horribly unrewarding profession.

... some great ideas....

So, let's hear it! Thoughts?

I completly agree with this! Mining as a profession or way of life in EVE is rubbish, and is far less profitable than ratting or running plex's. Given how vulnerable mining ships are to pirates, there should be a trade of in the amount of ism miners can make compared with ratters.
I remember when Zydrine was 3000 isk a pop, and Mega was 4000. Back then it was worth the risk to fly a hulk in 0.0 for the rewards but those days are long gone. I would live to see some serious attention paid to changing minin and making it both more rewarding and more fun.

Here's my idea - change the distribution of mnerals which you get from ore. Low end ores should refine for much less minerals. High end ores, rather than only giving rare minerals like mega and zyd should also give large amounts of the basic minerals. This way botters can still bot in empire (coz let's face it, CCP has long given up on stopping botting) but real players in 0.0 can enjoy much more substantial rewards for their efforts.
That said, any changes at all which mining either more fun or more profitable for real players gets my vote!

I'm running for the CSM 7 and my major focus will be to get CCP to revamp mining in Eve. I am forming a council to help develop ideas to bring to CCP about how mining could be improved. Would the OP be interested in being part of the council to develop our ideas to bring to CCP?

The CSM 7 thread

Just post in the thread if you would be interested in joining us to create our mining proposal to CCP,

Thanks for taking the time to post so good thoughts about mining!

Issler

Before I read this, I actually thought "Oh great, another moron who wants to make stupid changes to mining. It already works better than what they can suggest." And now, you've managed to (in one well-written post, no less) turn my opinions completely in the other direction.

And it would also make sense, if CCP wants EVE to be a space-simulator, rather than just a dull MMO. Things that have a higher density will usually spin a bit faster due to the thing called "momentum", and thus, the valuable roids will be spinning faster than the worthless ones.

Another note is this: In real life, all the resources in the world are not spread equally over a given area. So why should the ore in asteroid belts in a simulator-game? Easy, they shouldn't. The ores should be placed in clusters where some of the ore is more dense than other places. There should still be a bit of ore in the low-density rocks, but only trace amounts would be needed to make sure the roids would be there.

The only thing I don't really like about your suggestion would be the "ultra-high-density Tritanium". Maybe it's just me, but 100mil Tritanium in 10m3 may be a bit excessive (unless it's only found in 0.0 or W-Space, thus adding incentive to go mine there). But having several variants of it with varying densities and amounts of Tritanium (the lowest high-density type) being the equivalent of a Metal Scrap or two) could work, with their densities increasing as security level decreases... And just as a suggestion: Maybe adding similar types for the other minerals could work? Finding a chunk of high-density Megacyte would only be possible in null-sec, but it would still be a boost of income, even if it's only 10 Megacyte in 0.01m3 (that's still a compression-rate of 10:1).

All in all, I'm up for this idea. I don't really see the point in bot-mining either. It's like sitting in the station all day, only griefing other industrialists at the same time by ruining the market for high-sec minerals. Whenever I see a bot-miner, I honestly pray that someone will come along and blow up their ship and pod. They don't notice what happens to them anyway.

A solution would be that "bad" asteroids broke your ship. Let's say that stubbornly mining slag asteroids damages your strip miner. Looks like a good fix... but then the bots would learn to check the health bar of strip miners. Actually, bots would learn to test the asteroids by firing the miner for 5 seconds and see wether it took a health hit.

EVE tends to be about trade-offs. Fitting for tasks, etc. If you fit poorly, you find you have problems doing things.

Fit for heavy damage, you give up stuff - fit for heavy tan, you give up stuff, etc.

As you gain SP, you can fit more and better equipment, it becomes easier to fit the ship more powerfully but the trade-offs never really go away.

Miners avoid trade-offs. They don't fit tank, fitting only for cargo and enhanced mining abilities and this lack of fitting decently tends to make them victims.

No - I'm not putting it all on the miners but I do put a hell of a lot of it on them. Mining ships, in war areas - which is pretty much *ALL* of EVE - should fit tank, giving up some of the POTENTIAL capacity/ability to mine for the extra protection -- or bring friends so you HAVE protection there.

This game provides virtually no reason for doing this and slim abilities to fit protection on the lesser mining-specific function ships (barges & exhumers).

A long time back, about 2 or so years ago, I suggested a different approach to what you have. As a miner mines more, it causes more and more rats to spawn in the belt. More miners - more rats. The rats go for the mining ships.

As such, the ships will be beat on harder and harder as they pull more and more ore.

Now if rats spawn due to mining - tougher rats, etc... Then what you have is those who want to kill those rats, also want miners around - enough of them to keep a steady supply of rats to hunt.

As such, you add challenge to the task of mining WITHOUT changing it. Someone who wishes to AFK mine a bit, can still do so but they would have to scale-back what they COULD mine due to the potential of too many rats spawning and blowing up their ship.

"over mining" would slow and combat ships would pretty much be needed with a large group of mining ships around because "all out", a batch of hulks would cause too many rats to show -- enough to kill an orca.

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The above wouldn't give you your "bonus ores!" but it would make mining a risk profession that would require trade-offs to accomplish. Griefers... Hell, 4 guys in hulks pull in next to you and start mining furiously - then warp off!!! :-p

Seriously though - it would change how folks mine - without ... changing how they actually mine.

The only changes I'd recommend would be to enabling the ships to fit some better tank. Not much but at least enable things like a retriever to get some decent tank while outperforming a cruiser for mining.

The mixed ores idea is cool, but that would eliminate all of the processing skills for the specific ores, and make mining crystals useless, which would REALLY annoy a lot of hardcore miners.