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Koa Kadaj
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:56:00 -
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I am a completely new player coming into Eve, this is no easy task and the aspect of it is pretty daunting. To combat this steep learning curve and the overwhelmed feeling, I hit Google hard and came up with a plan. Depending on what is learned from this post and your comments my friend will also be following this plan a couple weeks behind me. The overall goal of this plan is to get me into 0.0 or even low-sec gang warfare (Preferably 0.0)I also love to RP, I will be GÇ£in characterGÇ¥ throughout most of my endeavors endgame however, I do not require corporations to be GÇ£RPGÇ¥ though that would be a plus.
1.Do all the starter missions to get the free skill books/ships and ISK from them. Hopefully by the end of all those missions I will have the skill and enough money to buy two salvaging fit destroyers. 2.(Please be gentle as I know this is not a glorious profession)I plan to then start ninja salvaging, while I am salvaging at this time I plan to learn skills to enhance my probe skills and salvaging skills while using the ISK to buy and outfit 3 more destroyers. 3.Continue salvaging in this way, until IGÇÖve learned to fly tech 1 tackling frigates effectively and have enough ISK to buy and outfit 10 of said tackling frigates. 4.Once I get to this point I will start to look for a low-sec or 0.0 corporation hiring tacklers. If/when I get into a corporation that conducts wolf pack type warfare. I will begin the tedious process of moving my 10 frigates to their base of operation building and outfitting more once I get there while leaving my salvagers in my former base of operation. 5.Once set up with the corporation I plan to continue salvaging for ISK as long as its viable while conducting tackling duty with the corporation while skilling up tackling skills towards being able to fly interceptors eventually. 6.Once I think that I have the necessary skills/funds to bring myself to 0.0 I will then (if I havenGÇÖt already) attempt to hook up with a corporation that resides there and begin tackling for them. 7.Once in 0.0 I am open to filling whatever role the corporation believes I will be best suited for.
I am coming into this with no friends to consort with and no access to large amounts of ISK. I am not pretending that Ninja salvaging will be able to support me the entire time, but since I only plan on flying tech 1 frigates, I believe it can stay helpful for a bit longer than most people moving to larger ships. Hopefully, by the time that it is no longer useful I will have found a better way to make money. My plan doesnGÇÖt reach that far sadly. Also IGÇÖd like to note I do not plan on joining a corporation until step 4 to avoid war declarations etc, while I am trying to get money to fund myself. What I am putting to you fine pilots are: GÇóDoes this sound viable? GÇóDo pirate corporations/0.0 corporations care if IGÇÖve ninja salvaged for ISK in the past? GÇóAny advice on what type of corporations IGÇÖd best serve as a tackler in an inexpensive frigate? GÇóOther ways to fund myself once I am in low-sec/0.0 if salvaging would not cut it?
I thank you for your time, happy hunting and swift flying. -Koa Kadaj
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Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:05:00 -
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Sounds like a solid plan, there's one thing i would add; read lots of guides, ask tons of questions and question all answers. Keep eager to learn, all the time. Try to figure stuff out first hand because KNOWING something is better than sorta having heard of it. Many people don't really know how things work, and that's how they get caught out.
Ninja salvaging is great income until you can properly do lvl 4 missions or rat or do other pve combat stuff and any piracy corp that turns you down because you did ninja salvaging is not worth your time. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
Koa Kadaj
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:11:00 -
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So some pve aspect will be needed to stay profitable while pvping? That is a little disheartening as I wasn't interested in any of it really. I will have to figure out what I will find interesting on the pve aspect as I havn't really considered it yet, nor do I consider ninja salvaging (From what I've heard so far) as pve. |
Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:18:00 -
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Well, you CAN make money with pvp if you go for the right targets but generally what people call "piracy' is 'just' "pvp in low sec". True piracy isn't limited to low sec, the fox goes where the sheep are. The majority of players will need some form of income, be it combat pve or making isk on a (carbear) alt. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:22:00 -
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Quote:Ninja salvaging is great income until you can properly do lvl 4 missions or rat or do other pve combat stuff and any piracy corp that turns you down because you did ninja salvaging is not worth your time.
Or until you can fly a proper gank boat, at which point you can start looting to sharply increase your income and shoot the dumb ones that attack you for even more sweet loot. One faction kill is worth a lot of level 4s...
Quote:So some pve aspect will be needed to stay profitable while pvping?
Sort of, if you loosely define PVE as anything that isn't shooting other players. In general there are enough ways to make ISK though that it's not a big deal. Some are rather fun (ninjasalvaging/looting). |
Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:24:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote:Ninja salvaging is great income until you can properly do lvl 4 missions or rat or do other pve combat stuff and any piracy corp that turns you down because you did ninja salvaging is not worth your time. Or until you can fly a proper gank boat, at which point you can start looting to sharply increase your income and shoot the dumb ones that attack you for even more sweet loot.
Yup, that would be an act of piracy, but he's talking about going low sec or 0.0. Hence my "fox goes where the sheep are", most piracy is actually done in high sec. Ganking, wardeccing, can flipping, mission busting and all those are acts of aggression with the purpose to make profit, ie piracy.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:27:00 -
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In general most people in null run the sites (DED plexs, radars etc.) and sanctums for their income this requires to have a BS or rat at the belts which can be done a bit easier then ratting in sanctums. There are corporations that do raid billions of worth "loot pinjatas" but OP's like those require a huge amount of planning and spying, sometimes even weeks to work out the victims behavioural patterns to ensure that "maximum loot" will be gained and even then "loot fairy" can be mean sometimes. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:28:00 -
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Quote:Yup, that would be an act of piracy, but he's talking about going low sec or 0.0. Hence my "fox goes where the sheep are", most piracy is actually done in high sec. Ganking, wardeccing, can flipping, mission busting and all those are acts of aggression with the purpose to make profit, ie piracy.
I would hardly consider defending oneself piracy. |
Koa Kadaj
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:30:00 -
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I am not completely against I guess gang type pve with other players I guess low-sec/0.0 corpmates that actually sounds fun, but solo-pve sounds super boring to me. Thank you all for the input, you've given me confidence. |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:57:00 -
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Following someone around and purposefully salvaging their missions will earn more ISK than ninja salvaging (more reliable supply, the wrecks are blue so you can use tractors) but at the expense of the fun.
Exploration is a good way of making money with low skills, though some light PVE-ing is required, typically nothing you can't do in a frigate or destroyer if it's in highsec. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Koa Kadaj
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:01:00 -
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Thing is I want to limit my dependance on others and Ninja salvaging seemed my best bet, also the skill I get from scanning down people will be applicable later ingame. Following someone around while lucrative doesn't seem too fun for me, through all the positive responses I've gotten so far I've decided to begin Operation: Banana-rama. Though I will still keep my eye on this thread for advice. I work the rest of tonight and tomorrow night however so I won't be able to bring this thing out of planning phase until Friday night. |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:08:00 -
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Koa Kadaj wrote:Thing is I want to limit my dependance on others and Ninja salvaging seemed my best bet, also the skill I get from scanning down people will be applicable later ingame. You're not wrong.
A tip: ninja salvage in Amarr or Minmatar space; the typical rats are blood raiders and Angels respectively, both of which drop salvage materials that are currently worth a little more than the others. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Koa Kadaj
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:24:00 -
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Thank you very much, that was the next big task to find a suitable location to set up shop. One with L4s but not a huge ninja salvager population. |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:38:00 -
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Koa Kadaj wrote:Thank you very much, that was the next big task to find a suitable location to set up shop. One with L4s but not a huge ninja salvager population. Go with it; you'll soon learn the rage of entitled mission bears is beautiful, and nothing amplifies that better than two ninjas stealing from him at once. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:39:00 -
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Quote:Following someone around and purposefully salvaging their missions will earn more ISK than ninja salvaging (more reliable supply, the wrecks are blue so you can use tractors) but at the expense of the fun.
In a proper ship with good piloting skills, tractor beams are hardly even helpful. It saves scanning time, but few missionrunners will let you just loot and salvage without wanting a hefty cut for themselves.
Quote:Thank you very much, that was the next big task to find a suitable location to set up shop. One with L4s but not a huge ninja salvager population.
I suppose I should link you to this and this.
Also, Angel rats have the most valuable salvage. Blood/Sansha are okay; they used to be way better before melted capacitor consoles tanked in price. I'd find a good minmatar system to set up in, though |
Koa Kadaj
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:42:00 -
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Awesome!!!! Thank you so much, more tools for my toolbox. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.01.19 12:33:00 -
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Take a look at the ISK guide.
http://www.isktheguide.com/
It's mostly up to date, and a good starter FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities. |
Nisa Darksoul
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.19 13:30:00 -
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you may also want to consider a trading alt.
Set the char up in jita, amarr, rens or dodixie and send him your money. dual box and keep the trade alt constantly buying low and selling high while your combat/salvage alt does his thing.
once your trade alt reaches a critical mass of isk you will be able to easily keep both accounts in PLEX
PS: you will do better learning how to trade with small volumes first before you get into larger amounts, in other words it would be unwise to instantly plex your trade alt 2B or so to start with... you will just lose a lot of it. |
Koa Kadaj
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:07:00 -
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I'd like to avoid running two accounts if I can, it gets hard to justify it with my wife...is running two accounts kind of the expected norm? |
Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.01.20 06:54:00 -
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It helps, for instance you could use an alt to probe down mission runners while you stay in your salvaging ship. It can also act as a scout either in low sec or actually in high sec for all kinds of "shenanigans" so he could shipscan your target so you know what you'd be up against. Or you could get him into a Logistics (high sec) or a Falcon( outside high sec) to support your "solo" pvp.
You don't HAVE to have a 2nd account but it does help a whole lot, intel is power. You can keep it simple by creating a Buddy account which, if you have the initial money for a plex, is essentially a free full account for 51 days, train up a char with some really basic skills and he can fly a probing frigate with a ship scanner. As that account is about to run out you make a new one and simply transfer over the ship to the new char. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
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Xi 'xar
Mise en Abyme
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:25:00 -
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This whole "forum eats my reply" thing is becoming really really irritating.
Don't spend too much time in highsec. Look into DED 1/10 and 2/10 complexes (specifically, the mechanics). There are plenty in lowsec which will garner you some good isk and some good fights.
Otherwise, take a look at my blog posts (in signature) - might help you find your way into lowsec more quickly.
Stoopid forums. Sigh. http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/explore-low-sec/ http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/live-low-sec/ http://mrsnypes.blogspot.com/2010/07/burnt-lands.html
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.01.20 11:14:00 -
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If you're going to plex, create an alt on the same account and keep it in Jita.
That way, you don't need to travel. Just transfer isk, relog, and buy. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities. |
malaire
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Posted - 2012.01.20 12:00:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:You don't HAVE to have a 2nd account but it does help a whole lot, intel is power. You can keep it simple by creating a Buddy account which, if you have the initial money for a plex, is essentially a free full account for 51 days, train up a char with some really basic skills and he can fly a probing frigate with a ship scanner. As that account is about to run out you make a new one and simply transfer over the ship to the new char. I'm not sure if using buddy invites regularly to make throwaway accounts is allowed, or would that be considered to be exploiting.
New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.01.20 13:55:00 -
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I'm fairly sure CCP has more important things to do than take care of that, specifically because it helps keeping the PCU up which makes them look good. Im ean, no sane person would come up with the buddy invite setup without realising/wanting ppl to help keep up the PCU during their darkest hours. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.20 15:26:00 -
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malaire wrote:Liam Mirren wrote:You don't HAVE to have a 2nd account but it does help a whole lot, intel is power. You can keep it simple by creating a Buddy account which, if you have the initial money for a plex, is essentially a free full account for 51 days, train up a char with some really basic skills and he can fly a probing frigate with a ship scanner. As that account is about to run out you make a new one and simply transfer over the ship to the new char. I'm not sure if using buddy invites regularly to make throwaway accounts is allowed, or would that be considered to be exploiting.
No, because trial accounts have an important limitation; You cannot log to a trial account and a normal account at the same time (from the same PC), so recycling trials to get a 2nd account won't work (unless you have two PCs).
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malaire
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Posted - 2012.01.20 15:42:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:malaire wrote:Liam Mirren wrote:You don't HAVE to have a 2nd account but it does help a whole lot, intel is power. You can keep it simple by creating a Buddy account which, if you have the initial money for a plex, is essentially a free full account for 51 days, train up a char with some really basic skills and he can fly a probing frigate with a ship scanner. As that account is about to run out you make a new one and simply transfer over the ship to the new char. I'm not sure if using buddy invites regularly to make throwaway accounts is allowed, or would that be considered to be exploiting. No, because trial accounts have an important limitation; You cannot log to a trial account and a normal account at the same time (from the same PC), so recycling trials to get a 2nd account won't work (unless you have two PCs). It works for Buddy Invite trials, since after you use PLEX to upgrade it, you get that PLEX back as buddy reward. New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.01.20 15:58:00 -
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Koa Kadaj wrote: GÇóDoes this sound viable?
No. Tackling with frigs was viable about 4 years ago. In lowsec tackle is done with BC and Heavy Interdictors. In 0.0 tackle is done with Interdictors and Heavy Interdictors. CCP kindly allowed light drones to catch up with frigs, added ships that can web you from 50km or paint you up so much that capital guns can track you. If you would tell me that you want to tackle with a frig I would file you under "Believer".
Koa Kadaj wrote: GÇóDo pirate corporations/0.0 corporations care if IGÇÖve ninja salvaged for ISK in the past?
Salvage sold for about 4x as it does these days. If you would tell me that you ninja salvaged I will file you under "Not-Good-With-Simple-Math".
Koa Kadaj wrote: GÇóAny advice on what type of corporations IGÇÖd best serve as a tackler in an inexpensive frigate?
Highsec gankers. Anybody else needs tackle with HPs. And quite frankly even highsec gankers do better with well skilled Tornado pilots or with a competent Arazu pilot then with a ceptor with godlike skills.
Koa Kadaj wrote: GÇóOther ways to fund myself once I am in low-sec/0.0 if salvaging would not cut it?
Well, you can either print money or try to convince others to give you the money they printed. Right now you will do better with blitzing lvl3 missions in a Drake or exploding belt NPCs in 0.0 then with salvage. Printing money involves shooting NPCs in EVE. There are very good ways to convince other players to hand over freshly printed money, those are either time consuming or require quite a lot SP and/or ISK.
EVE is a very competitive game. If I tell you how I make my ISK I hurt myself. Salvage is incredible boring. If you want to have cheap rigs you need plenty of players to salvage. If you don't want to do that yourself, what do you do?
More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
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