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Lock Randin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:39:00 -
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Hi folks,
I was in game last night asking some questions on the Rookie Channel about mining.
I received a private chat invite from an individual, who sent me a link with some information regarding the questions I was asking.
They then invited me to go on a mission with them, and stated we could continue chatting about mining.
I have heard that people notoriously scam noobies in this game, so I was just wondering if there is a reliable way to look at a character's info and determine if they are trustworthy in game?
Thanks. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:47:00 -
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Not really.
Obvious red flag would be a negative security status (only way to get that is by shooting people in empire space - high or low sec) but beyond that you just have to learn if you can trust someone. Another would be a very recently created character that talks and acts like a player who is very experienced with the game (indicating that it is most likely an alt of a veteran player).
I guess good rule of thumb would be to always fly with a ship you can lose without major issues and never move all your eggs in a single basket and never put all of your assets away from your direct control (anything other than your personal hangar in a NPC station equals "not under your direct control"). Consider what would be the worst that could happen to you at any given moment (usually "this friendly guy somehow leads me into a trap and my ship gets blown up. Oh, and my pod") and assume that this could, in theory, happen.
If you are very new and are invited to join a corp or otherwise do something with others, whatever you do, leave at least one fitted ship in some station and have some ISK in the wallet that you won't touch ("emergency reserve") and as long as you keep those intact, no matter what happens you can go back and pick that ship up and continue recovering from there.
Oh, and "if it sounds far too good to be true, it probably is" also works in EVE.
It really works pretty much like walking around in the city and meeting some random person. He might be a cool guy or he might be out to mug or scam you. Act accordingly. Trust can only come over time.
Most people in EVE are not out to get you. I think. Probably. |
Lock Randin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.19 15:01:00 -
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Thanks for the response Jarnis. Great advice. |
Renturu
Tribal Spirit Tribal Unity Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:09:00 -
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Paranoia is your friend in this game. If you are new to getting into a group (random invite to ops) and their sec status is good, still run the cheapest ship just in case its a trap - Never fly what you can afford.
Just to let you know... its sad, but true... Trust NO ONE in game.
Tl;Dr story:
A sister corp in my alliance was doing quite well (or so I thought). It seemed that they had pissed some merc corps off (random gank fests/roams) Which was against our policy as we do business with many merc corps.
Well, after a month of war decs, the CEO of said sister corp, disappeared for a few weeks (claiming illness). We got WD by a few of the old Orphanage Merc Corps and they were out for blood. Well, some "random guy" was emailing threats to a sister corps members and the info got a little "fishy."
Come to find out, the CEO (supposedly sick) logged an alt and payed a Merc corp to WD us as he was mad cuz we wouldn't let him play in our worm hole (no pun intended). Hence, TRUST NO ONE!
There are many trustworthy players in game... don't get me wrong. But, you need to be very, very careful in what trust, with what info and assets you give them. Knowledge is power. Also, know that you may trust someone with said info, but they may blab it to an unknown and you know the saying: "Lose Lips Sink Ships." If EvE WiS is Space Barbie, then I'm built like a Ken Doll:
Nothin' but 14 inches of T'aint; Smooth, from front to butt!!! |
malaire
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:15:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Obvious red flag would be a negative security status (only way to get that is by shooting people in empire space - high or low sec) but beyond that you just have to learn if you can trust someone. Another would be a very recently created character that talks and acts like a player who is very experienced with the game (indicating that it is most likely an alt of a veteran player). Being alt of veteran player doesn't necessarily mean anything bad, it depends on what purpore that alt was made for.
Whenever I start new account I use first 30 days chatting and helping in "Rookie Help" when I have extra time, since that is only time when I can go back to that channel.
New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:38:00 -
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malaire wrote:Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Obvious red flag would be a negative security status (only way to get that is by shooting people in empire space - high or low sec) but beyond that you just have to learn if you can trust someone. Another would be a very recently created character that talks and acts like a player who is very experienced with the game (indicating that it is most likely an alt of a veteran player). Being alt of veteran player doesn't necessarily mean anything bad, it depends on what purpore that alt was made for. Whenever I start new account I use first 30 days chatting and helping in "Rookie Help" when I have extra time, since that is only time when I can go back to that channel.
True, it depends what the player pretends to be. In fact, best friends you can find on "rookie help" are alts of old players. Yet if the character is very new (say, less than 7 days) and getting very friendly, you need to be somewhat careful. Throwaway alt can be a throwaway alt.
But if you have some common sense, you can probably learn fairly quickly if the other guy is talking to you because he wants something from you or because he wants to be nice and helpful. If he explains to be something along the lines of "long-lost son of a Nigerian prince who needs you to loan a few million isk so he can get his luxury spaceship out of impound and can then quickly make it back (and more), leading you to untold riches", you are probably being taken advantage of... |
Famous Nigerian Prince
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:35:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:But if you have some common sense, you can probably learn fairly quickly if the other guy is talking to you because he wants something from you or because he wants to be nice and helpful. If he explains to be something along the lines of "long-lost son of a Nigerian prince who needs you to loan a few million isk so he can get his luxury spaceship out of impound and can then quickly make it back (and more), leading you to untold riches", you are probably being taken advantage of... So you have heard about my son, tragic thing it is . After I finally got in touch with him after all these long years and trusted him with this mission to save our family heirloom, he disappeared again.
But I must not let myself be carried away by emotions. The heirloom, the most luxurious spaceship ever built, is still in danger. With just a few more millions it could be saved along the Nigerian Royal Assets it was carrying.
I still hope to find a kind soul who can help me finish my mission, and who could so easily get his investment multiplied by this small act of trust and generosity. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
261
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:46:00 -
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Famous Nigerian Prince wrote:Jarnis McPieksu wrote:But if you have some common sense, you can probably learn fairly quickly if the other guy is talking to you because he wants something from you or because he wants to be nice and helpful. If he explains to be something along the lines of "long-lost son of a Nigerian prince who needs you to loan a few million isk so he can get his luxury spaceship out of impound and can then quickly make it back (and more), leading you to untold riches", you are probably being taken advantage of... So you have heard about my son, tragic thing it is . After I finally got in touch with him after all these long years and trusted him with this mission to save our family heirloom, he disappeared again. But I must not let myself be carried away by emotions. The heirloom, the most luxurious spaceship ever built, is still in danger. With just a few more millions it could be saved along the Nigerian Royal Assets it was carrying. I still hope to find a kind soul who can help me finish my mission, and who could so easily get his investment multiplied by this small act of trust and generosity.
Sounds legit!
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Morgals
Sturm Reich Sturmgrenadier Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:34:00 -
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Ha,
It is hard to know who to trust. The best advice is simply to prepare for the worst. Most often this would be getting blown up.
Getting killed and losing your ship is NOT the end of the world if you keep a back up ship and you don't fly what you can't afford to lose. But don't trust no one as the best part of EvE is the player interaction...join fleets and get to know them. Join a corp and they will help you out.
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Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:22:00 -
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Trustworthiness is one of the most valuable things a person can possess in this game. That said, there's a very large continuum between "total paranoia" and "Please load all my wordy possessions onto your freighter and take them to nullsec".
You shouldn't be too afraid to risk a T1 ship. At worst you'll explode, learn something, and with insurance be back on your feet inside of ten minutes (assuming you're T1 fit). If you're smart it's much more likely you'll make friends and have some fun.
Security status is absolutely not a good measure of someone's trustworthiness. The first thing anyone who wants to terrorize highsec dwellers does is rat up their sec. status to above zero so they don't scare anyone by being yellow. On the flip side, I've known very honorable people who've been -10 for months and years at a time because they live in lowsec and in lowsec NBSI is how almost everyone who lives there operates, which isn't healthy for your sec. status. You can infer something about someone's pvp activity from their sec status, but not their trustworthiness. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
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Amun Khonsu
3-Prong Operational Resources The Fendahlian Collective
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:27:00 -
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Best thing to do is not trust anyone to start. Dont take trades from ppl you dont know, read contracts carefully, dont take from their cans or wrecks even if they say its okay, dont lend isk, etc.
Trust is earned in this game, not given.
Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. |
Liam Mirren
188
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Posted - 2012.01.20 06:59:00 -
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Kessiaan wrote:Trustworthiness is one of the most valuable things a person can possess in this game. That said, there's a very large continuum between "total paranoia" and "Please load all my wordy possessions onto your freighter and take them to nullsec".
You shouldn't be too afraid to risk a T1 ship. At worst you'll explode, learn something, and with insurance be back on your feet inside of ten minutes (assuming you're T1 fit). If you're smart it's much more likely you'll make friends and have some fun.
Security status is absolutely not a good measure of someone's trustworthiness. The first thing anyone who wants to terrorize highsec dwellers does is rat up their sec. status to above zero so they don't scare anyone by being yellow. On the flip side, I've known very honorable people who've been -10 for months and years at a time because they live in lowsec and in lowsec NBSI is how almost everyone who lives there operates, which isn't healthy for your sec. status. You can infer something about someone's pvp activity from their sec status, but not their trustworthiness.
This is easily the best reply here, in short;
- sec status doesn't mean anything - don't trust anyone with any high value asset of yours till they prove to you that they're worth your trust (in EVE, at some point, that will go wrong just prepare and learn from it) - trust is the most important thing in EVE, it's up to you how to deal with that
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
Xi 'xar
Mise en Abyme
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Posted - 2012.01.20 07:41:00 -
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Although I bet there are thousands of stories out there about how terrible EVE is and how you should trust no-one, I'd encourage you to take the leap of faith and trust people.
When I first started playing (about a week in), I was convoed by a rather suspicious looking Russian who insisted that I join his fleet to gain "mining bonuses". Although suspicious at first, I ended up joining his fleet, got the mining bonuses and endlessly discussed mining with the Russian who not only ended up giving me valuable advice but also around 500 mil isk in ships and modules (a couple mining barges).
The above really opened the door for me (I ended up hating mining, selling the gifts and buying rifters :P).
Eve is a social game. Sometimes people are out to screw you over. Sometimes people are only out to help you. Jump in the deep end and see. Either way, the learning curve will help.
http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/explore-low-sec/ http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/live-low-sec/ http://mrsnypes.blogspot.com/2010/07/burnt-lands.html
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Cyprus Black
Tears of Redemption NEM3SIS.
132
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:20:00 -
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The only people you can trust completely are those you know in real life and live nearby. That way if they screw you over ingame you can go to their house and kick them in the nuts. Speaking from personal experience of course.
But seriously, you can never completely trust anyone in eve and that's how things should be. There's only one person in eve that has a long and proven record of honesty and that's Chribba.
You can trust me too. Not that I'm honest, but rather because I'm a terrible liar and scammer. I've never successfully scammed anyone and if I ever succeed at it, I think I might feel bad about it and return the stolen goods. Like my post? Made you laugh or think? Maybe even offended or nausiated you? Then give a Like. They're free and oh so easy to give. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2066
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:55:00 -
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Gut feeling + "if it's too good to be true, it usually is" should get you a long way.
/c
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.01.21 06:55:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Gut feeling + "if it's too good to be true, it usually is" should get you a long way.
/c
Confirming this. Also confirming that Chribba is the exception that proves the rule. It's his super hero ability. Trustworthiness.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Chribba_%28Character%29
(You can also summon him to any thread by mentioning his name. Like just happened in this thread...) |
Christina Trild
SkyNet Experiments
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:26:00 -
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I wouldn't trust anyone in eve I've been friends with my ceo on my main char for a long time yet i still don't trust anyone with my wealthy stuff that might be the only reason to befriend you. and then take everything you own and pod you. In eve, You can trust no one 100%
Chribba might just be waiting for a while and once it's time Take Trillions of isk from someone
Jk, everyone can trust chribba |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2012.01.21 15:06:00 -
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the basic answer is "common sense". In this regards eve works like real life. Trust requires time and common sense. a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.01.22 10:35:00 -
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Its more or less impossible to know who to trust in Eve. Pirates or carebears or hard core role players can all either turn out to be really nice people,or someone who is just waiting for a chanse to stab you in the back. In some cases it can take years before you see the "dark side" of someone. Ofc it hitts you even harder when you have spendt a decent amount of time with someone and things turn out badly.
The general rule is that you can not trust anyone,not even your own corp members,or directors. Because of this you will find that many of the older players are extremely paranoid,but just be patient with them. For you as a new player...
Again there is no way for you to be safe but a couple of things to keep in mind. Dont go into low sec with some total stranger,dont take from their can even if they say they wont fire at you,and dont allow someone to move all your stuff for you if your looking at moving.
I know this last one happens a lot when you join a corp,and in most cases people are really just trying to help but then again,some cant be trusted. Ohh and never ever pay someone to join their corp.
So...If you meet someone you like,spend some time with him/her,talk to their corp members,and from there follow your gut feeling as someone pointed out
Base your self on the fact that you will get scammed at some point. It might be someone you know,or just a random person,but its 99% sure that something will happen that will cause you to question people for months before you start to relax around them. |
Jouron
Hadon Shipping
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:58:00 -
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Smaller tight knit corps are usually trust worthy individuals. It doesnt mean one individual cant screw the whole group over. But some of the corps I have been in, usually people all contribute to the benefit of all in some way.
More specifically if some one invites you to a mission they could destroy your ship if they draw you into lets say: the hazardous gas cloud part of the New Frontiers mission which does waves of 800 damage 5 or six times.
If your worried take a less expensive ship like a rookie ship. Tell them your brining your best mission ship"lie" and when you arrive see what happens. If its a trap you will have sprung it and lost nothing and you know that person is a troll.
For all the paranoia speak I have always been surprised at the great attitudes and general good will I found among players.
Then again I am very shrewd and a skeptic and dont often find myself in situations where I have trusted a great deal of any of my assets to an individual I've never met.
Golden Rule in Eve: Love thy neighbor. But lock your door.
Not trusting any one at all in game can mean you wont make it very far, or the game will get tearfully boring. |
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Borg Stoneson
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
18
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:59:00 -
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Paranoia is your (backstabbing) friend in this game, but don't just avoid everything "incase of trap", yes there are some people out there who will try and scam you out of the 1 trit your starter ship came with, but many others see helping newer players as an investment and hope that not only will they continue to play the game but that one day you'll join their corp/alliance/op and be a usefull and contributing member. The stuff you stand to lose as a new player is cheap and easy to replace, the time/effort and assets of an older player trying to help you is worth billions, if they aren't activily trying to cause your grief then they're taking by far the biggest risk.
If nothing else, remember, the most valuable asset in this game isn't your ISK or your ships, it's the people you know and who you can rely on, and the only way to find those people is to take the risk. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
102
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:06:00 -
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I would say there's no good way, even going as far as to disagree with the first reply, that the criminal red flag means they're bad. Some of the cheatingest people I've met in Eve were scammers with perfect sec status. Some of the nicest I've met were pirates. It usually depends on how you approach them.
The best thing to do is limit your loss and know the rules. If they drop a can and say "there's some free stuff for you!", then knowing that removing stuff from their can will let them shoot you can mean the difference. Say thanks anyway bro, but I'm too paranoid, can you dock in station and trade it to me?
I've been a pirate/griefer (I guess) before. If I killed a miner and he starts threatening me in local and talking smack, that's just an invitation to be mean. I've killed new players in lowsec before and convo'ed them about why they were there. After talking with them a little bit, I payed for their ship. I wasn't out to kill new players and give them a hard time, I just wanted tears (from older players, again, i don't want to drive new people away). Most people are the same way.
During that same time, while I was in a pirate corp, I'd help people in a mission if they were new and didn't have the firepower to finish it.
So yea, there isn't really a good way to tell if people are "trustworthy". The best way is to not put yourself in a position to lose much, don't give them down payment on a corp joining fee, but if you do get burned, don't get all hurt about it or it'll be like sharks to chum.
I think Liam Mirren summed it up best in 3 points. |
Kata Amentis
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
25
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:50:00 -
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Lock Randin wrote: is [there] a reliable way to look at a character's info and determine if they are trustworthy in game?
As the others have said trust and reputation are really huge commodities in eve, a great many players underestimate their worth. Both are built up over time bit by bit with each exchange, conversation and action. The 'trick' is to make sure your exposure or risk is kept at an 'acceptable' level.
What that level is is up to you, are you brash or conservative, or somewhere in between?
Best thing about being a newbie is you don't have huge amounts to lose and recovering is a short term affair, even if it doesn't feel that way at the time.
You're really going to have to face each player on his/her own basis and get to know them, listen to your instincts and build up a relationship in order to know how far you can trust them, just like in RL.
As far as the random one off meetings are concerned, ask yourself "what can I lose if this is a trap?", if you don't like the answer don't do it.
It could also be argued that until you have lost out and been scammed a few times you'll not properly be able to gauge what is a trap... so try to keep an open mind and learn from each downfall. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars IMPERIAL LEGI0N
92
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Posted - 2012.01.26 13:26:00 -
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Agree with all the previous reactions.
Trust must be gained in EVE as it's a harsh universe. Don't just dive into every possibilty you encounter.
Usually a bit of common sense will get you a long way. And even if you make a 'mistake' and loose a ship. Don't see it as a failure but as a learning point. If you know what you did wrong and learn from your mistakes loosing a ship isn't that of a problem. Ships and ISK are just tools in EVE to accomplish what you want to do.
J'Poll Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
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Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
299
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:33:00 -
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Lock Randin wrote:I was just wondering if there is a reliable way to look at a character's info and determine if they are trustworthy in game?
There sure is. If it isn't someone you can't punch IRL if they screw you over, they aren't trustworthy. There are literally *no* exceptions.
That doesn't mean you can't work with people; not at all. Just make sure it's mutually beneficial, and in their best interests not to rob you blind. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
453
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:35:00 -
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Jovan Geldon wrote:I was just wondering if there is a reliable way to look at a character's info and determine if they are trustworthy in game?
There's no really reliable way to tell if someone is trustworthy (though you could ask their corpmates), but you'll eventually develop an instinct for sorting the good from the bad. It takes practice, though, and sometimes your instincts will fail you. As a rule of thumb, I don't accept 'blind invites' (ie, those that are randomly dropped on me).
For my part, I will gladly help with almost anything you need done; I can't go into Amarrian space, because I'm in the TLF and I'd end up floating home, but if there's a mission you're having problems with, and I'm not currently occupied with fleet operations, drop me a line and I'll see what I can do (eve-mail is preferred; I'm usually not able to properly respond via chat).
Above all, be polite to people who contact you -- even if it's a bit sketchy. Your reputation follows you in this game, and good manners (and a sense of humor) will work to your advantage.
Good luck out there! ((Please note:-áAt times, my characters-ámay be a-holes, but-áI am most certainly not.-áWhat they say IC has no bearing on my OOC opinions or behaviors, and I apologize in advance if you are offended OOC by anything I might say or do-áIC.)) |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
47
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:57:00 -
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there are a ton of very friendly and helpful people in this game and also a ton of backstabbing pirates. So, always be on the lookout for these types. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Paragon Renegade
Offensive Logistics Inc
217
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Posted - 2012.02.07 22:20:00 -
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Trust new players with caution, but don't be a jerk
Distrust people recruiting you, especially those that ask for an "Entrance fee".
Older players that ask for things have an agenda; those that offer you help with nothing asked in return are legit, just don't rush ahead like General Custer to help them with things.
And for the love of god, never trust anyone in local. This is important in Jita and Hek most especially. The pie is a tautology |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
97
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Posted - 2012.02.09 05:51:00 -
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An old quote of mine from when I started - I used it in a chat session with a couple "recruiters" for a corp that offered me and 2 others some isk if we'd come to lowsec and join their corporation...
"Think of yourself as a small child in a park full of pedophiles. If they offer you anything that requires you to meet with them, don't be overly surprised at what you actually get from the encounter."
I tossed that into the chat channel. Everyone laughed - none of us went to their base to sign up.
That out of the way -
The corp I'm in has rules against scamming and the like. A complaint will net an investigation and actions - scammers and such are kicked. Few such corporations exist in the game but there are a few. If you learn which ones operate like that, you can be "safer" dealing with their members but complete safety isn't in the cards here. |
Branic Nolen
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 06:36:00 -
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I'm still doing the Tut and new to this game playing on a 14 day trail, and from what I've seen in this game, there are loads of players you can trust. I was invited to a private chat group and everyone in there was so helpfull, even more helpfull than the rookie help channel!!! And one of the random players in there who was helping me out sent me 1mil ISK out of no where!!! And get this, they were pirates. I see on the forums, people talk bad about pirates, but these pirates were VERY helpfull!!!
But then again, while they were helping me in chat, at the same time I believe they were flying around in their fleet looting players they killed |
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