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Shakuul
Caldari O RLY corp YTMND.
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:07:00 -
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"FAT-6P: As Tyrrax ThorrkĘs second Aeon Mothership slowly succumbed to the growing firepower of a mixed Band of Brothers and Mercenary Coalition fleet, history was made. Not only was it another mothership loss and a key moment in the continuing conflict in the south, but it was a milestone too.
It was the tenth Mothership-class vessel to be downed, an event heralding the beginning of a new era. One where thousands of lives can be extinguished in fleeting moment. It served as a solemn reminder of many things; the unprecedented scale of loss the capital era has brought to New Eden, where individual pod pilots will come to play a crucial role in the fate of tens of thousands of crew, and also their own alliances and corporations, who sink vast amounts of time and resources into their construction and protection. "
Am I missing something or are there supposed to be other people flying with you in your mothership? Is this explained anywhere else in the Eve Lore (Chronicles, etc)? I know plenty of people don't care about storyline; I was just curious.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul I know plenty of people don't care about storyline
I can confirm this. ___ Support Killmail Overhaul
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Thanos Draicon on 14/09/2007 16:10:01 Yes, every ship larger than a frigate has a crew of some kind - battleships have hundreds to thousands, freighters and supercapital ships have upwards of ten thousand.
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Lyticus
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Lyticus on 14/09/2007 16:12:35 Not to hijack your thread blatantly, but why is this snippit newsworthy?
10th Mothership killed?
Pfft, who'se counting? -
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Ekscalybur
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:15:00 -
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I was under the impression that the supercapitals had over 100K crew on each of them. Considering their size, even that large a number wouldn't be living in cramped conditions. I've seen people throw about the 5000 number for a battleships crew, and the supercapitals are orders of magnitude larger than battleships.
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Beastoria
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lyticus Edited by: Lyticus on 14/09/2007 16:12:35 Not to hijack your thread blatantly, but why is this snippit newsworthy?
10th Mothership killed?
Pfft, who'se counting?
Because it's Tyrrax's second mom loss ? or am I wrong ?
Btw it's because bob made the kill ... that's why it's newsworthy. --------------------------------------------------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:24:00 -
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Ships have crews, yes. Even some of the frigates are alleged to have 2 or 3 crew (although not necessarily), according to some ancient RP material from back in the beta days.
10's of thousands of crew actually seems a little small for a mothership... ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts! |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 Ships have crews, yes. Even some of the frigates are alleged to have 2 or 3 crew (although not necessarily), according to some ancient RP material from back in the beta days.
10's of thousands of crew actually seems a little small for a mothership...
Shudder to think of what crew numbers a Titan has.
Though really what do you need.
1. Pilot, for steering and making "vrooom" noises 2. Guy to push the green button (Jump Portal) or red button (Doomsday Device) 3. Chef
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Asestorian
Minmatar Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:50:00 -
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It's a common topic here.
EVE ships in the backstory do have crew when a capsuleer is the captain. However, these are mostly maintenance crew, as the bridge crew and the like are no longer needed, because the pod has replaced them.
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Patch86 Ships have crews, yes. Even some of the frigates are alleged to have 2 or 3 crew (although not necessarily), according to some ancient RP material from back in the beta days.
10's of thousands of crew actually seems a little small for a mothership...
Shudder to think of what crew numbers a Titan has.
Though really what do you need.
1. Pilot, for steering and making "vrooom" noises 2. Guy to push the green button (Jump Portal) or red button (Doomsday Device) 3. Chef
One of my friends is green-red colorblind (he refers to both colors as "gred"). I advise a different choice of colors.
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:52:00 -
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I am sure if you look at fightrs up close you can see little men piloting them.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Patch86 Ships have crews, yes. Even some of the frigates are alleged to have 2 or 3 crew (although not necessarily), according to some ancient RP material from back in the beta days.
10's of thousands of crew actually seems a little small for a mothership...
Shudder to think of what crew numbers a Titan has.
Though really what do you need.
1. Pilot, for steering and making "vrooom" noises 2. Guy to push the green button (Jump Portal) or red button (Doomsday Device) 3. Chef
One of my friends is green-red colorblind (he refers to both colors as "gred"). I advise a different choice of colors.
Titan button pushers are highly trained individuals, also capable of recognizing the differences between left and right.
Left means go. Right means stop. :)
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DJTheBaron
Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: sableye I am sure if you look at fightrs up close you can see little men piloting them.
You never found it strange that these fighters build requirements are purley minerals, no little racial piliot trade item required, perhaps they just come from the ships crew. ___________________ "The Views & Opinions Expressed In This Post Represent Those of My Corporation & Alliance. So Go **** Yourself" DJTheBaron: FATAL Alliance Diplomat |
Andargor theWise
Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.14 16:58:00 -
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Hands of a killer
- Got grief?
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.14 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: DJTheBaron
Originally by: sableye I am sure if you look at fightrs up close you can see little men piloting them.
You never found it strange that these fighters build requirements are purley minerals, no little racial piliot trade item required, perhaps they just come from the ships crew.
perhaps there androids :)
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Allestin Villimar
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Posted - 2007.09.14 17:16:00 -
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It'd give me a use for all those militants and elite slaves I have laying around. Stupid lazy slaves.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.14 19:01:00 -
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i doubt freighters have thousands even, they are called capitols but they dont really do anything. id imagine they would have a small engineering crew and that is about it(to give an RL compairson, a USN carrier has thousands while some container ships are bigger then the Nimitz Class carrier in size and have 20 crew at most). However id imagine Capitol Warships are packed with people and are virtual cities in space.
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Boomershoot
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2007.09.14 19:07:00 -
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thinking about it, it's normal to have 10k crew on a mommyship, don't forget you're in a frickin' pod, you can frickin' fire weapons and you're the one who's frikin' aiming the baddies
all the crew does on a mothership is keeping drones happy, playing with them and educating them on how to NOT make a good target firing
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Dristra
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.14 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: sableye I am sure if you look at fightrs up close you can see little men piloting them.
Given fighter ai, that would be small, ******** men at that.
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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InVictus Kell
Gallente Tactical Solutions Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.14 19:51:00 -
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keep in mind, the "pod" basicly substitutes the need for a bridge and full command crew. one person making and acting on decisions is far more efficient then a bridge packed with 20-30 people trying to make the captain's orders happen.
but a ship of any type that requires as many complicated systems as propulsion, energy management, weapons, etc, will have to have a crew. and then you need support for the crew, food, air, water and crap like that. those support systems need even more crew. then on Gallente ships you have the exotic dancers (go Gallente!) so that's probably another 10k right there. A ship 400m in length could easily require and house a crew of thousands. A capital scale vessel in EVE surely needs many more.
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2007.09.14 20:36:00 -
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Yea even small ships have crew. For example, heres the roster for my moa, the SS Bogusmobile (because real men fly moas!) Crew Complement: 440
Captain : 1 (thats me) Awesome officer : 1 (because I have too much awesomeness for just myself) Gunner : 6 Engineering : 12 Bartender : 12 Wine steward : 16 Brewer : 16 (are you noticing a trend yet?) Exotic Dancer : 200 Gunny Sgt. Hartman : 1 Marines : 100 Janitor : 75
_________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
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Shakuul
Caldari O RLY corp YTMND.
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Posted - 2007.09.14 22:14:00 -
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Oh, I guess I just figured that if you can get nanobots to repair your armor and hull, you can get them to do everything maintenance related so you could field a titan with just one person.
Why aren't crew included as a construction component of these larger ships?
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive Animal.
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Posted - 2007.09.14 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink Shudder to think of what crew numbers a Titan has.
Though really what do you need.
1. Pilot, for steering and making "vrooom" noises 2. Guy to push the green button (Jump Portal) or red button (Doomsday Device) 3. Chef
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Sarah McTeef
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Posted - 2007.09.14 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
... Gunny Sgt. Hartman : 1 Marines : 100 ...
Originally by: Gunnery Sergeant Hartmen Today... is Christmas! There will be a magic show at zero-nine-thirty! Chaplain Charlie will tell you about how the free world will conquer Communism with the aid of God and a few marines! God has a hard-on for marines because we kill everything we see! He plays His games, we play ours! To show our appreciation for so much power, we keep heaven packed with fresh souls! God was here before the Marine Corps! So you can give your heart to Jesus, but your ass belongs to the Corps! Do you ladies understand?
I imagine he'd be able to get the exotic dancers to do some amazing things as well. |
Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil
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Posted - 2007.09.14 23:01:00 -
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SHIPS HAVE CREWS!!!! - As told by CCP GINGER of the EVE DEV TEAM
Also Read some EVE Chronicles.
And this short story has a nice section on the fourth page in that tells about how the pod works in a ship:
Originally by: Forsaken Ruins Mattias focused the drone cameras on the Blackbird, inspecting the massive gashes in its hull. Judging from the metallic carnage, he estimated that sections of at least 6 decks were now exposed directly to space. Somewhere beneath where he was sitting, hundreds of crewmembers were sealing off compartments, fighting electrical fires and desperately struggling to keep his ship's vital systems functioning. How many of them died because of this, he wondered. As the captain of the ship, he was sealed inside a pod made of an ultra-strong, Jovian-manufactured alloy and neurologically connected to the Blackbird's systems. Inside of it, so long as the ship was intact, the captain was immune from harm. It was the Jovians who had introduced this remarkable innovation, and it had changed the face of naval warfare forever.
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Modern day starships are massive and incomprehensibly complex. Before the pod, there were so many points of failure between a captain's decision and the execution of his orders. The ability to create a direct neurological connection between a human mind and a ship's systems reduced those points of failure to zero. Commanding a starship was now a natural extension of the mind's will. All a captain needed was to just think about what he wanted his ship to do, and it was done.
To Mattias, it was all so impersonal. Because of the technology, a captain could skipper numerous ships over the course of a lifetime without ever meeting a single crewmember from any of them. Mattias was one of the few who made an effort to meet at least some. It seemed like the least he could do in exchange for their unquestioning faith in his abilities, and their trust in him to keep them alive.
And yes, everytime you lose a ship hundreds, if not thousands, of people die (and none of them have a clone, they are just regular Joes and not elite pod pilots like you and me.)
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.14 23:08:00 -
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While we're on the subject, it's worth pointing out that the only ships in EVE that are pod-controlled are the ones piloted by genuine people (players / staff / etc); the tell tale sign being that they leave a pod when destroyed.
NPC ships such as pirates and faction police are not controlled by pod pilots (hence not leaving a pod when popped), and are therefore controlled the "old fashioned way". This might go some way to explaining why they're so rigidly stupid and unable to adapt their tactics in even the smallest, slightest way... ------
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Cpt Fina
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.09.14 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Thanos Draicon Edited by: Thanos Draicon on 14/09/2007 16:10:01 Yes, every ship larger than a frigate has a crew of some kind - battleships have hundreds to thousands, freighters and supercapital ships have upwards of ten thousand.
I'd imagine that a ship designed for transport require alot smaller staff than a combatvessel. Got nothing to back it up but it would make sense.
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.09.15 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: DJTheBaron
Originally by: sableye I am sure if you look at fightrs up close you can see little men piloting them.
You never found it strange that these fighters build requirements are purley minerals, no little racial piliot trade item required, perhaps they just come from the ships crew.
From what i've heard the fighter pilots are clones. Basically they have some abillities to think and act like humans but for the most part they're mindless drones that just do as they've been trained inside a human clone body. ___________
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Seteshi
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Posted - 2007.09.15 04:36:00 -
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Edited by: Seteshi on 15/09/2007 04:36:29
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Thanos Draicon Edited by: Thanos Draicon on 14/09/2007 16:10:01 Yes, every ship larger than a frigate has a crew of some kind - battleships have hundreds to thousands, freighters and supercapital ships have upwards of ten thousand.
I'd imagine that a ship designed for transport require alot smaller staff than a combat vessel. Got nothing to back it up but it would make sense.
You would be absolutely correct. All you need do is look to modern seafaring vessels. Something like a naval guided missile destroyer will have upwards of 300 crew, where as a modern tanker or container ship, upwards of 3 times the size of the missile destroyer, will have a crew of 20-50 at most. Military ships will always have a much steeper crew requirement than civilian transport vessels.
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.09.15 04:52:00 -
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It would be pretty cool if in the distant future it was possible for players to be able to dock their pods in the mothership and control the Fighters and fly them with direct Freelancer/other space game like controls.
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