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applejacks34 Applecrack
Maru Ka'ge.
15
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:42:00 -
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I am not having fun. I am WORKING for Isk. I make my self run missions and eventually stop doing them because they are so boring. Eve online has been grueling for me because of all the skills I need in order to do anything. I cant do DED sites, I cant do Incursions, I cant make ships, I cant solo pvp, I cant do anything in this game. I just cant find any thing that is enjoyable and makes me Isk. I have checked this but found nothing really. I need some help. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4459
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:03:00 -
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1. Why do you need the ISK?
2. Have you considered joining a corp with a good newbie scheme?
3. What do you want to do? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
applejacks34 Applecrack
Maru Ka'ge.
15
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:06:00 -
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1. I need isk to make isk. For example, i want a maelstrom to be able to do incursions.
2. No?
3. I want to be able to actually enjoy the game and make more Isk. I'm interested in wormhole space, PI, Pvp scouting. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4459
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:10:00 -
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applejacks34 Applecrack wrote:1. I need isk to make isk. For example, i want a maelstrom to be able to do incursions. GǪand what do you need that ISK for? What you're saying here is more an answer to #3. A good corp will give you guidance, purpose, and aid. They can be tricky to find, but it's worth it.
Quote:I'm interested in wormhole space, PI, Pvp scouting. Ok. None of that requires all that much in terms of SP GÇö what you need is actual skills (wellGǪ aside from the PI GÇö for that you just need a hauler and/or alts). So go do it, right now, and start learning. Let your skills grow alongside the SP.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
applejacks34 Applecrack
Maru Ka'ge.
15
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:22:00 -
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Pfff ha I get so side tracked with skills I'm still training for core skills. Anyways i will need skills for the covert ship to scan in the wormhole, about 60 mil for a customs office gantry, a strategic cruiser that takes about 90 days. I need that Isk (by the way) for being able to buy ships. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4459
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:34:00 -
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You're aiming a bit high by the sounds of it.
You don't need any of that to get going GÇö you can do it very soon if you just pour time into the key skills. Don't wait to do something until you are at the end, because there is a high risk that you'll end up discovering that this thing you've been aiming for isn't what you imagined it to be, and now you've trained a bunch of skills that you are no longer interested in using.
Do the stuff you're trying for while training. Pretty much everything in the game has a GÇ£starterGÇ¥ version that you can use as training wheels. In your case, the one exception is probably a covops-cloak ship, but it's not that long a haul: the only real kind-of-slogs are [racial] Frigate V and Electronic Upgrades V, both rank 2 skills taking ~1-+ week each.
In particular, that PI gantry is something you need to plan out a bit better. Chances are you will lose it a couple of times before making it stick, and it's not really an individual investment/activity. While you might have it as some kind of end goal, play with PI using the available planets and facilities while figuring out if it's worth it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Superterrier
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:36:00 -
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Easiest way to block out skills and making isk is to post a fake fit in incursion channels, fly around with them being a useless liability.
Nobody will notice you completely suck at flying the ship as long as you fly the proper ship type - I suggest a Nightmare.
No risk involved as you're going to be remote-repped to hell and back and you'll easily make a billion/day - doesn't matter if you can actually do any dps - noone wil notice. Just train amarr and Caldari BS to I, ift civillian isk and get enough iak for a supercap within a month. |
Ryuce
25
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Posted - 2012.01.20 07:27:00 -
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Man this thread contains some lovely personalities. I really admire your patience, Tippia. |
Karak Bol
Cable Innovations
11
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Posted - 2012.01.20 08:13:00 -
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applejacks34 Applecrack wrote:Pfff ha I get so side tracked with skills I'm still training for core skills.
Oh, thats normal. I am no some months in, and I am having fun in nullsec and still havent Standard Core skills.
applejacks34 Applecrack wrote:Anyways i will need skills for the covert ship to scan in the wormhole,
??? How about a scanfrig with a Prototype cloak. Skilltime a few hours and scans good enough with a rig or two.
applejacks34 Applecrack wrote:about 60 mil for a customs office gantry,
Fly to null or low and look for POCOs with low taxes for neutrals. I am currently at a plasma planet in null and only pay 5%. And I am not even in an ally.
applejacks34 Applecrack wrote:a strategic cruiser that takes about 90 days.
I heard, for low level WH a BC is enough. Skilltime maybe a week or two. (You should be able to fly that thing good to tackle woirmhole.)
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Salt Dog
Nemesis Holdings Corp Luna Sanguinem
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 08:31:00 -
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As boring as it is, this is the reason why I got into mining. Now I mine to make steady isk while train for more interesting stuff.
It's true that the isk per hour is pathetic when compared with well about anything other than running missions however if you have RL distractions (kids for example) it appears to be the best route.
If your the guy with an ungodly amount of free time and no distractions then I'd suggest going straight pvp. A rifter, afterburner and web should get you started. Just keep in mind you won't be able to do solo pvp, need a decent corp as your rifter is gonna die and often but at least you'll get a share of the loot. Keep working on skills and slowly move up the pirate ranks. |
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Space Momma
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.20 08:32:00 -
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Superterrier wrote:Easiest way to block out skills and making isk is to post a fake fit in incursion channels, fly around with them being a useless liability.
Nobody will notice you completely suck at flying the ship as long as you fly the proper ship type - I suggest a Nightmare.
No risk involved as you're going to be remote-repped to hell and back and you'll easily make a billion/day - doesn't matter if you can actually do any dps - noone wil notice. Just train Amarr and Caldari BS to I, fit civillian guns and get enough isk for a supercap within a month.
i loled, +1 |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
447
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Posted - 2012.01.20 16:31:00 -
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Karak Bol wrote:applejacks34 Applecrack wrote:Anyways i will need skills for the covert ship to scan in the wormhole, ??? How about a scanfrig with a Prototype cloak. Skilltime a few hours and scans good enough with a rig or two. I used a T1 scanning frigate for a very long time when I was living in w-space. I ended-up living there for 2.5 years.
In fact, I still have 2 or 3 of them in my hangar (kept since I Gravity rigged them).
At racial frigate 4 skill and fitted with a prototype cloak, they are perfectly adequate.
applejacks34 Applecrack wrote:about 60 mil for a customs office gantry, That is really a corporate endeavor, not an individual one.
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applejacks34 Applecrack
Maru Ka'ge.
15
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:54:00 -
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Thanks, I appreciate the help. One of the guys in my corp had told me about faking a fit in incursions already though. I'll try it. |
Beckie DeLey
DeLey Enterprises
5
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:06:00 -
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Superterrier wrote:Easiest way to block out skills and making isk is to post a fake fit in incursion channels, fly around with them being a useless liability.
Nobody will notice you completely suck at flying the ship as long as you fly the proper ship type - I suggest a Nightmare.
No risk involved as you're going to be remote-repped to hell and back and you'll easily make a billion/day - doesn't matter if you can actually do any dps - noone wil notice. Just train Amarr and Caldari BS to I, fit civillian guns and get enough isk for a supercap within a month.
That is actually brilliant. It's The Legendary Extraordinary Me |
Roman 4epHega
Revenant Skies The Welfare State
11
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Posted - 2012.01.21 20:24:00 -
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Beckie DeLey wrote:Superterrier wrote:Easiest way to block out skills and making isk is to post a fake fit in incursion channels, fly around with them being a useless liability.
Nobody will notice you completely suck at flying the ship as long as you fly the proper ship type - I suggest a Nightmare.
No risk involved as you're going to be remote-repped to hell and back and you'll easily make a billion/day - doesn't matter if you can actually do any dps - noone wil notice. Just train Amarr and Caldari BS to I, fit civillian guns and get enough isk for a supercap within a month. That is actually brilliant.
untill u end up in a fleet full of fake fits |
Spineker
102
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Posted - 2012.01.21 21:23:00 -
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Superterrier wrote:Easiest way to block out skills and making isk is to post a fake fit in incursion channels, fly around with them being a useless liability.
Nobody will notice you completely suck at flying the ship as long as you fly the proper ship type - I suggest a Nightmare.
No risk involved as you're going to be remote-repped to hell and back and you'll easily make a billion/day - doesn't matter if you can actually do any dps - noone wil notice. Just train Amarr and Caldari BS to I, fit civillian guns and get enough isk for a supercap within a month.
I want to try that just for the LMAO fun. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1241
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Posted - 2012.01.22 04:26:00 -
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Roman 4epHega wrote:Beckie DeLey wrote:Superterrier wrote:Easiest way to block out skills and making isk is to post a fake fit in incursion channels, fly around with them being a useless liability.
Nobody will notice you completely suck at flying the ship as long as you fly the proper ship type - I suggest a Nightmare.
No risk involved as you're going to be remote-repped to hell and back and you'll easily make a billion/day - doesn't matter if you can actually do any dps - noone wil notice. Just train Amarr and Caldari BS to I, fit civillian guns and get enough isk for a supercap within a month. That is actually brilliant. untill u end up in a fleet full of fake fits
Then the fleet disbands, everyone's blacklisted and you've burned a character with ~10d of training on it. dAWwww, here he goes. -áPoastin' Drunk agin. |
Squidgey
Perkone Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:08:00 -
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applejacks34 Applecrack wrote:I need that Isk (by the way) for being able to buy ships. To do what with?
You need isk to:
1: Buy ships. 2: To make more money. 3: See 1.
See where this is going?
If none of the things on that WTD list helped you out, you may consider playing another game. |
Mirime Nolwe
APOCALYPSE LEGION The Devil's Warrior Alliance
38
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:36:00 -
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troll... |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
16
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:39:00 -
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It looks like you want to be a mission runner to pay for pvp.
I suggest you learn to salvage first. Offer your service to L4 runners. Make a lot more isk then you would make on your own in the near future.
Take the time to learn what/how/why they do what they do and what ships they use to do it.
Then take your few hundred million and get to becomming one of them. Salvage your own stuff with ease until it becomes faster for you to hire a salvager of your own.
Or just jump to the incursions once you get your BS skill and ship ready. |
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Hound Halfhand
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
5
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Posted - 2012.01.29 01:24:00 -
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Quote:I want to be able to actually enjoy the game and make more Isk. I'm interested in wormhole space, PI, Pvp scouting.
Find a good wormhole corp that takes noobs and fill a niche for them. They will put you on a proper training path and you will make plenty of ISK. Sounds like you are all over the place now and do not have the time in game to do everything you want. |
Oryx Lux
The Drones Club
0
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Posted - 2012.01.29 08:04:00 -
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Squidgey wrote:applejacks34 Applecrack wrote:I need that Isk (by the way) for being able to buy ships. To do what with? You need isk to: 1: Buy ships. 2: To make more money. 3: See 1. See where this is going? If none of the things on that WTD list helped you out, you may consider playing another game.
I don't think you get it. It's his money and he needs it NOW.*
*This post not affiliated with J.G. Wentworth. |
Melerose Tenaku
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.01.29 09:52:00 -
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Hound Halfhand wrote:Quote:I want to be able to actually enjoy the game and make more Isk. I'm interested in wormhole space, PI, Pvp scouting. Find a good wormhole corp that takes noobs and fill a niche for them. They will put you on a proper training path and you will make plenty of ISK. Sounds like you are all over the place now and do not have the time in game to do everything you want.
when i got started in eve, i was a mindless high-sec pubbie plugging away at missions till my eyes bled.
I ended up joining a WH corp, i learned how to live in a POS, Mined all kinds of Ark and Bist in my retriever, and shot some Sleepers in a BC. it was a great experience, and definitely got me interested in something more fun then missions.
almost everything is more fun then missions. |
Macks Artilius
Definitive Exploration and Excavations The Watchmen.
35
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Posted - 2012.01.31 01:42:00 -
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If you want to do sites in wormholes you certainly don't need a tengu; I was diving into other people's wormholes and stealing their sites in a T1 Hurricane. Very profitable if you get a good WH. |
Venerable Ancestor Wu
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.31 06:01:00 -
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I learned the answer to this after many years:
Train minmatar.
That might sound counter-intuitive, based on what you're asking, but consider the following: -Everything people consider "fun," (read as: pvp) in the game can be done well, if not the best, by t1 minmatar ships -t1 minmatar ships have EXTREMELY generous fitting. full meta fit rifter, rupture, hurricane? No problem. -t1 minmatar ships are (mostly) speedy and have tiny sigs. tanking skills suck? No problem. -t1 minmatar ships are GIVEN AWAY FREELY by a TON of corps. skint broke? No problem, here's a rifter. -t2/3 minmatar ships give you a TON of wonderful things to look forward to and there's never any worry about being left out. You have good tacklers, recons, logi, dictors, everything. armor fleet, shield fleet, skirmish fleet, small gang? Don't need to choose.
It's really quite simple. The moment you attain minmatar frigate III, small projectiles, and propulsion jamming: you are golden. Any newb-friendly pvp corp will provide you with ships, things to shoot, roles to fill, directions to take, and fun to be had. You'll never again worry over what you need to train for X because regardless of what you're doing, those basic minmatar ships will fit right in.
I used to worry about flying the right ships, getting that next skill to be fleet-ready with my super-tight fit. Now I simply log in, snag a free rifter and head out to wherever the action is happening. I haven't looked at evemon in ages. When I notice my skill training is about to complete, I simply pop in the next core skill and keep on shooting.
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
41
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Posted - 2012.01.31 16:47:00 -
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op has a point. Very hard to make good isk as a noobie unless you enjoy mining, running level 1/2 missions etc etc. Best thing to do is to join a corp that has a good noobie program that can give you support and free ships while you learn. You can also sell plexes which is what I have done On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Squidgey
Perkone Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:11:00 -
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Mirime Nolwe wrote:troll... Who, me?
Right, everyone who does not agree with you is automatically a troll. My point was perfectly valid. What does the OP want to do?
There is a fantastic flowchart of all the things to do in eve. If none of them appeal to the OP, then what does he need isk for?
Oh right, to buy more ships... so he can make more isk, and buy more ships. If his intent is to collect ships, then that is fantastic! However, it is not. And he has already said in his original post that none of those things appeal to him.
If none of the things on the WTD list appeal to him, then he has no overwhelming need for isk or ships and should find another game to play.
However, that can't possibly be true.... because later he says he is interested in WH stuff, PI, PVP, scouting... All things which are on that list.
If they are on that list, then surely he has a set goal in mind already and does not need our help other than a nudge towards appropriate ships and fittings.
So why are we even discussing this still?
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Venerable Ancestor Wu
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:34:00 -
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scouting, baby-steps toward wormholes, exploration:
1. Get an imicus 2. Get astrometric skills to IV, hacking III 3. Get some drone skills 4. Run highsec sites for easy money ... 5. train up to an ishtar 6. Get some astromtrics skills to V (or buy implants), hacking IV, salvaging IV, archeology IV 7. Get better drone skills (inc. heavies and sentries, preferably t2) 8. Get decent armor tanking skills and cloaking III 9. Run lowsec/nullsec sites for not-as-easy, but better money ... 10. train up a t3 11. train gas cloud harvesting and some PI skills 12. apply to wh corp 13. farm difficult sites with corp, harvest immense isk, use PI to help them fuel the POS (or sell to make more isk) 14. Find something else to try or polish off the above skills |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
45
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Posted - 2012.02.03 21:27:00 -
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Some good suggestions in here. On a more general level, I'd suggest get into a good corp and enjoy the journey. Sure, it would have been great if I started out flying a titan, but I had lots of fun in this game even before I made my first million isk. Remember, it's kind of different from most other games where there is some sort of end-game or goal. So much of Eve is what you make of it. You could be a 5 year vet bored to tears running level 4 missions like a lab rat on a treadmill or you can be a 2 week old noob having a total blast in null-sec with a great group of people, you get the idea. |
destiny2
Right Ascension
24
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Posted - 2012.02.03 22:03:00 -
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When people first jumped on the bicycle they knew they needed practice and skill to stay balanced. Cant just jump in something and expect to be good at it. gotta work at it |
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