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Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:29:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:
Put a timer on the mothership. When timer runs out, mothership is gone, incursion dissapears.
Agree 100%.
I vote for a 7 day countdown timer.
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Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
7
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:33:00 -
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Calisto Fox wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:
Put a timer on the mothership. When timer runs out, mothership is gone, incursion dissapears.
Agree 100%. I vote for a 7 day countdown timer. Or you could just not farm them so hard that the mothership spawns in the first 12h of the incursion. |
Camios
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:34:00 -
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This thing that if CCP tweaks something for empire PVErs they leave is just a lie. Hisec risk free pve is ruining EVE, it just cuts every economical reason to move from hisec for a lone player, or possibly even small groups that are loosely organized.
Hisec PVE should give you less money and more fun. It would be even then. |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
117
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:34:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:CCP Spitfire wrote: I'd like to stress that this is not an attempt to censor the discussion or sweep things under the rug, but rather to maintain General Discussion in a more or less healthy state.
Regardless of whether you stress it or not, I'm sorry but shoehorning multiple threads with different trains of thought into one megathread is effectively censoring the ideas. Well, CCP mods never showed much understanding of forum culture, so no real surprise. |
thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
75
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:34:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:If CCP activly do anything to change incursions then they WILL loose subscibers. However, IF a group of people get together and decide to act alone and destroy a mothership to stop the endless farming then so be it. ITS FAIR!
EvE is a sandbox and is what you and I make of it.
CCP shouldn't nurf incursions, but at the same time if this "griefing" happens its part of the game and CCP shouldn't take action against them.
- A true incursioners input -
agreed. I hate high sec incursion runners as much as the next lowsec/ nullsec dweller. Nerf Incursion- you can earn more money in highsec running incursions than in any part of low or nullsec which is unbelievable.
In Lowsec/ nullsec/ wormhole- you have to fight for what you want- BTL and TDL need to realize that right now they need to fight for their incursions/ income - nothing in eve is free, the cost may be high but you need earn your right to run incursions
Hire mercs/ war dec them and fight. Use your industrialists/ traders to find out the source of thier income- and hit it.
I'm generally surprised at the incursion leaders, I know some of them- and i dont view them as walkovers. I'd love to see you show some backbone and hit them back- but i still believe the incursions need nerfing. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
148
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:35:00 -
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Waiting for griefers tears |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4487
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:36:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Put a timer on the mothership. When timer runs out, mothership is gone, incursion dissapears. No more ISK farming. No more tears from farmers and griefers alike. Nah. Put a rewards timer on the mothership: each incursion contains a fixed amount of rewards, and when they have all been paid out, the incursion disappears. Each site is adjusted to give a portion of these rewards proportional to the average man-hours needed for an incursion as a whole compared to the amount of man-hours needed on average for the particular site. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
85
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:37:00 -
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Aineko Macx wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:CCP Spitfire wrote: I'd like to stress that this is not an attempt to censor the discussion or sweep things under the rug, but rather to maintain General Discussion in a more or less healthy state.
Regardless of whether you stress it or not, I'm sorry but shoehorning multiple threads with different trains of thought into one megathread is effectively censoring the ideas. Well, CCP mods never showed much understanding of forum culture, so no real surprise.
LOL
There were 6 thread on the exact same thing, with varying degrees of nerdrage.
If that is forum culture.,..... |
Telvani
The Scope
19
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:40:00 -
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Really hope these tears are genuine, how about you use all that isk your farmed to dec / suicide gank them? Eve is not a PVE game. There are people in eve who get their kicks from killing you
They are, statistically much better at killing you than you are at not being killed |
Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:45:00 -
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Camios wrote:
Hisec PVE should give you less money and more fun. It would be even then.
So highsec incursions are better payouts than their low/null counterparts? I agree, that is unbalanced.
On the same note, high sec is more fun, absolutely, but thats due to not being a slave to a null overlord and being used as nothing but pawns to line someody elses pocket and not having the brains to stop for a moment and question it. Null bears deserve their own fate for being mindless drones.
Reminds me of the borg in a way lol
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Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:46:00 -
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Telvani wrote:Really hope these tears are genuine, how about you use all that isk your farmed to dec / suicide gank them? Eve is not a PVE game.
EVE is a sandbox, therefor its whatever i want it to be. Think before you click post. |
Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:48:00 -
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In the interest of having a single point of feedback on the current incursion situation, I would ask everyone to use this thread for feedback, suggestions, calls to action, etc. Please refer to this post for a more detailed explanation.
For the beter EvE incursion payout MUST be boosted, the income is way to low whne you see how many ppl lose there pimped ships to much risk for small reward. |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
117
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:51:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:Well, CCP mods never showed much understanding of forum culture, so no real surprise. There were 6 thread on the exact same thing, with varying degrees of nerdrage. If that is forum culture.,..... Not speaking of this particular *gate (is it that already?). The eve community is indeed on the acid-y side of the scale, but on most other forums mods would have a short run if they worked like here. And since we have no influence on that, it is not unsurprising people run to other forums... |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
13
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:06:00 -
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I dont understand the problem here, surely killing the mothership and stopping the incursion the aim of incursions... right?
Or is the problem that its getting in the way of farming isk from sites long after the mothership has appeared. I'm pretty sure that's the sandbox working as intended. Brick et al are just playing incursions the way they want to play... |
Darrow Hill
Vodka and Vice
24
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:11:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:I dont understand the problem here, surely killing the mothership and stopping the incursion the aim of incursions... right?
Right.
Once the Mom spawns, it's there for any fleet to engage.
Nothing to see here but boring PvE, tbh.
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Telvani
The Scope
19
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:13:00 -
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Calisto Fox wrote:Telvani wrote:Really hope these tears are genuine, how about you use all that isk your farmed to dec / suicide gank them? Eve is not a PVE game. EVE is a sandbox, therefor its whatever i want it to be. Think before you click post.
Lol no.
Its a sandbox, so everyone can do what they want.
There are people in eve who get their kicks from killing you
They are, statistically much better at killing you than you are at not being killed |
Telvani
The Scope
19
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:14:00 -
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Double post. There are people in eve who get their kicks from killing you
They are, statistically much better at killing you than you are at not being killed |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
86
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:15:00 -
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Darrow Hill wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:I dont understand the problem here, surely killing the mothership and stopping the incursion the aim of incursions... right? Right. Once the Mom spawns, it's there for any fleet to engage. Nothing to see here but boring PvE, tbh.
Yes, while I appreciated the big organized gangs not killing the mom so I could make more money.
I fail to see how someone killing the mom when it comes up as an "issue". |
Ur235
Mind Games.
17
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:15:00 -
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I think it was a brilliant idea and I applaud the guys who did it good job loving the tears hmm |
Pinaculus
Hole Busters
138
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:19:00 -
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+1 for hiring a merc corp. I don't run Incursions anymore, so I don't really care. If I did, however, I'd definitely chip in.
Because this is EVE, and violence solves everything. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1620
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:23:00 -
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yeah hey wardec an alliance that doesn't have any static assets and whose members can just drop corp for the duration, great idea |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:25:00 -
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Quote from the recent produced CSM minutes:
"Both the CSM and CCP agree on that Incursions are good in terms of gameplay and ISK payout, but the time for adjustments based on player behavior data is at hand"
So rewards are fine.
Gameplay isnt broken, so systems dont need to change.
So I assume the "behaviour" data must refer to AI changes for the predicatability they talk about, which sounds like a good thing on the "funsics" level. |
Camios
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:25:00 -
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Calisto Fox wrote:Camios wrote:
Hisec PVE should give you less money and more fun. It would be even then.
So highsec incursions are better payouts than their low/null counterparts? I agree, that is unbalanced. On the same note, high sec is more fun, absolutely, but thats due to not being a slave to a null overlord and being used as nothing but pawns to line someody elses pocket and not having the brains to stop for a moment and question it. Null bears deserve their own fate for being mindless drones. Reminds me of the borg in a way lol
Yes. Try this: First go in hisec and take part in an incursion fleet, and write down how much you get isk vs hour wise. Then go into lowsec or nullsec and try do the same without being blown up. If you can, you'll get more money, if you cannot you'll get less money afterall, in the sense that it's economically convenient to stay in highsec if you're not part of a corporation that can afford staying in lowsec/0.0 and protect their PVE operations.
Just that, prove me wrong. And stop trollling about "nullsec drones" please.
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Camios
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:28:00 -
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Tian Nu wrote:For the beter EvE incursion payout MUST be boosted, the income is way to low whne you see how many ppl lose there pimped ships to much risk for small reward.
Then don't use pimped ships. The first rule in EVE is "don't fly what you can't afford to lose, this is true even in PVE.
Edit: oh fruck u got me. 10/10 |
Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:29:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Quote from the recent produced CSM minutes:
"Both the CSM and CCP agree on that Incursions are good in terms of gameplay and ISK payout, but the time for adjustments based on player behavior data is at hand"
So rewards are fine.
Gameplay isnt broken, so systems dont need to change.
So I assume the "behaviour" data must refer to AI changes for the predicatability they talk about, which sounds like a good thing on the "funsics" level.
Quote:Focusing the discussion on Incursions, CSM brought up the point that Incursions are unbalanced in that the easier levels of Incursions are more profitable than the more difficult levels GÇô something that CCP has noted as well and is working on adjusting.
I too can quote the CSM minutes. |
Pinaculus
Hole Busters
138
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:30:00 -
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Andski wrote:yeah hey wardec an alliance that doesn't have any static assets and whose members can just drop corp for the duration, great idea
Yeah, CCP needs to improve wardec mechanics more than anything else. This whole Incursion "event" seems like a perfect test-bed for whatever war mechanics they want to put in. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:30:00 -
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Andski wrote:yeah hey wardec an alliance that doesn't have any static assets and whose members can just drop corp for the duration, great idea
Unlike someone who admitted to be playing an alternative game altogether in a public channel recently when his alliance members where involved in a large scale fight. Oh, of which the fail goons lost big time.
And despite that the system currently works both ways, with grifers and runners equally abusing the systems consistently for their own ends. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:32:00 -
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Krissada wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Quote from the recent produced CSM minutes:
"Both the CSM and CCP agree on that Incursions are good in terms of gameplay and ISK payout, but the time for adjustments based on player behavior data is at hand"
So rewards are fine.
Gameplay isnt broken, so systems dont need to change.
So I assume the "behaviour" data must refer to AI changes for the predicatability they talk about, which sounds like a good thing on the "funsics" level. Quote:Focusing the discussion on Incursions, CSM brought up the point that Incursions are unbalanced in that the easier levels of Incursions are more profitable than the more difficult levels GÇô something that CCP has noted as well and is working on adjusting. I too can quote the CSM minutes.
And? Thats rebalancing, not changing systems and if rewards are being adjusted overall rather than redistributed then CSM are presumably contradicting themselves? |
The Snowman
xLegion of the dammedx.
23
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:04:00 -
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Most people running incursions are 0.0 pilots bored of ratting and sanctum running
Incursions have been about for over a year now, so you have to ask why is it that peope are only now starting to complain about it?
Pilots are taking their alts into high-sec to run incursions because its more fun, thats all. This means 0.0 fat-cat alliances are seeing that their monopoly is breaking and their taxes arnt getting the money anymore, and its taken them a whole year to realise it... and thats all it is about
Its not really about the isk, or the low risk, since its just the same in 0.0.
If sanctums and haven sites worked in a similar way to incursion sites, ie, more fun and required a bit more organising instead of mindless grinding then their members wouldnt need to look elsewhere.
This is all really only coming to light now because 0.0 in general is broken, boring and pointless. Whats the point in going to war when it just comes down to who has the most super caps?
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Shad0wsFury
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
49
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:05:00 -
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Incursions to the best of my knowledge haven't really been iterated on much. Maybe some minor balances, but CCP hasn't really even looked at them for the most part since putting them in the game.
Non-shockingly, CCP did some bad testing on how players can abuse the incursion system to maximize profits (as in, they did no testing whatsoever probably).
I commend bricksquad for bringing balance to the game in CCP's stead.
I also commend CCP for "looking at" incursions for balancing and some much needed changes. Top of that list should be removing cyno jamming effects from 0.0 incursions, if not lowsec incursions too. Cynos are kinda important for this thing called LOGISTICS, and having to spend 5-6 hours clearing an incursion so every-day logistics can take place is pretty damn lame. |
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