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minmatarsebiestormale20091011111
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:40:00 -
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Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.
I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.
CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)
Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.
Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME |
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1922
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:43:00 -
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Deal with it, you can't have a perfect ISK sink all the time in your little safe playpen 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!-áRemember EVE is EVErything! |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
237
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:43:00 -
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DEY TOOK OUR JORBS!!!
Enjoy your spinning. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
711
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:43:00 -
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The only thing in this thread that got 'sorted out' is your name. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Graelyn
Amarrian Retribution
177
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:44:00 -
[5] - Quote
Now that's some quality tears. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
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Midnight Apocalypse
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:44:00 -
[6] - Quote
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
Let the trolling commence.
But yeah, they need looked at. |
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1922
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:44:00 -
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Xolve wrote:The only thing in this thread that got 'sorted out' is your name. ..and your signature 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!-áRemember EVE is EVErything! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
248
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:45:00 -
[8] - Quote
So, what's keeping you from war deccing them?
Sounds to me like they know how to PVP better than you.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
209
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:46:00 -
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Sorry for your loss |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
247
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:47:00 -
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obvious brick squad alt detected ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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Midnight Apocalypse
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:47:00 -
[11] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:So, what's keeping you from war deccing them?
Sounds to me like they know how to PVP better than you.
Tears are the best weapon in EVE. |
Leah Solo
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:50:00 -
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minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote: Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy
You forgot "to hold hands".
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Vigrioth Stoneclaw
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
23
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:56:00 -
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minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.
I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.
CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)
Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.
Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME
Sorry man, while I certainly see where you are coming from, I support the decision to kill Moms until Incursions can be fixed. They shouldn't be a license to print money, but a Mega-Mission, for lack of a better term. Until Moms are made the absolute final wave of an Incursion, I will approve of Brick Squad or anyone else's decision to take out the Moms. |
Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:02:00 -
[14] - Quote
I was there. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
848
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:02:00 -
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I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong |
Hera Chawla
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:03:00 -
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"I was there!" |
Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
13
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:04:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong I've been tricked by 0.0 overlords :( |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Bloodbound.
38
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:04:00 -
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Oh dear, what high quality tears are to be had in BTL pub atm.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GUYS, MAYBE THEY'LL JUST QUIT ALLTOGETHER :D
btw, how was the lootz from the mom? /me snugglehump you long time GÖŃ
~ I AM PETEBBA |
rareden
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
5
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:04:00 -
[19] - Quote
mmmmm the tears are flowing nicely. so explain why this needs to be stoped. |
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:08:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong
Abusing a broken system gj |
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Sycotic Deninard
The Royal Guard Imperial Hull Tankers
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:08:00 -
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Why should CCP step in? If the incursion community has a problem with Brick Squad or any other group of players ruining incursions for you, then YOU need to fight back.
Sooner or later YOU are going to have to stand up for what you believe in or else have it taken away from you. They have made their intentions known and have ACTED on them, now it's time for YOU to ACT on yours. Last I checked, this isn't WoW where Devs cater to the masses and make the game easier.
Stop your bitching and do something about it. |
BLACK-STAR
411
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:09:00 -
[22] - Quote
stop posting in these useless threads. Far too much attention to randoms. Spam and tears. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |
Mikal Red
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:09:00 -
[23] - Quote
Bwhahahahahahahahaha your tears fuel my ship's. |
Lord Mandelor
Consolidated Holdings War Ensemble.
111
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:12:00 -
[24] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote: tears
They didn't break any rules. Deal with it. Also, it must REALLY suck to try and search your name. ConHo Daily: http://conhodaily.blogspot.com Stories ranging from midgets inside your Damage Control to drones becoming self-aware. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
98
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:14:00 -
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HOLY JESUS!!! I don't think I'll EVER need to refuel my tear drive ever again :D
Seriously:
BEST. TEARS. EVER.
Mad props to all involved :)
EDIT: Think I'm making this my browser home page. |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
1267
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:18:00 -
[26] - Quote
Posting in a thread made by a coward who hides behind his forum alt. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
CeneUJiti
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:20:00 -
[27] - Quote
Perfect ISK is sitting on 10 man lowsec entry/choke gate-camp, with neutral alts constantly watching other side; with T3 boosters safely posed up; aligned to station so you can insta warp and dock at any sight of actual fight.
Or being good enough forum talker to become leader of alliance, that also gets you a lot of real money from all the RMT deals that most certainly don't happen at all as everyone obeys EULA.
Poor brave OP. Why bother? You know that 90% of people on forums are sick fucks who live only to troll and insult people. |
Spumantii
Golden Orb Technology inc Narwhals Ate My Duck
3
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:20:00 -
[28] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:
This idiot cries because he wants the whole of eve to play, the way he plays.
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Angus MacDoom
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
2
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:22:00 -
[29] - Quote
I play EVE for the social aspect of the game |
Ace Chaos
YOU BETTER The Ascendancy
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:23:00 -
[30] - Quote
There are different people in EVERY MMORPG out there:
PVPers - thoes who only pvp PVEers - thoes who only pve PVP/PVE - thoes who do both pvp and pve
These 3 aspects in a game creates a wide range of different players, and thus invites many different kinds of players to play, if you take out one, you lose a lot of people. For instance, you take out PVP a lot of players will leave EVE, however if you take out PVE you also lose a lot of players. As it is, EVE Online is a small community where peak time is only around 45k players are online at one time. Taking out PVE OR PVP would in fact lower that aspect more then you are willing to lose.
Forcing people to go one way or the other is not a good way to INVITE players to play EVE Online or any other MMORPG for that matter.
So my point here is that forcing players to sit in a station all day or to PVP is not exciting for thoes "Carebears" (as you call them) and many will eventually leave if the problem is not resolved. This does not ONLY include this Incursion aspect, but all aspects in the game. |
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rareden
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
5
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:23:00 -
[31] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong Abusing a broken system gj
correction we are fixing the broken system, it just so happens that people such as you are crying that you cant make your op amounts of isk thus making it more enjoyable for us. |
Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:26:00 -
[32] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong Abusing a broken system gj
yes, how dare they run incursions the way ccp intended them to be run |
Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
219
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:26:00 -
[33] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.
I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.
CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)
Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.
Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME You are mistaken sir. Killing the Mothership as soon as possible is indeed a noble cause. Eradicating the Sansha threat in a timely manner contributes towards a safer galaxy and shelters the innocent from becoming victims to needless violence. You think it is acceptable to farm intersteller kredits and take part in relaxed social activities while life around you perishes?. You should feel ashamed.
Black Man with Goggles |
Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:27:00 -
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Because running incursions according to their original intent is totally 'ruining the game' |
Oxandrolone
Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck
8
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:28:00 -
[35] - Quote
Why dont the incursion runners do something about it?
War dec the griefers/ hire mercs to dec them etc?
Sandbox is sandbox |
Ace Chaos
YOU BETTER The Ascendancy
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:29:00 -
[36] - Quote
Oxandrolone wrote:Why dont the incursion runners do something about it?
War dec the griefers/ hire mercs to dec them etc?
Sandbox is sandbox
like i said in my post, forcing thoes who only PVE to PVP is not going to solve the problem. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
92
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:32:00 -
[37] - Quote
The incursion ends when the mom dies. A fleet of players went and killed the mom, thus ending the incursion. Sounds like it is working as designed. What is the problem with the game? None.
What is the complaint about? A subjective self-projected view of how things should be to a player with a lack of view on the big picture.
From my personal subjective view, this is how Eve is supposed to work. Yes, I only have a Vigil, I've had a bad bit of luck Ok? |
Hera Chawla
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:33:00 -
[38] - Quote
Oxandrolone wrote:Why dont the incursion runners do something about it?
War dec the griefers/ hire mercs to dec them etc?
Sandbox is sandbox BTL doesn't let people with war agression join incursion fleets. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
99
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:33:00 -
[39] - Quote
Ace Chaos wrote:Oxandrolone wrote:Why dont the incursion runners do something about it?
War dec the griefers/ hire mercs to dec them etc?
Sandbox is sandbox like i said in my post, forcing thoes who only PVE to PVP is not going to solve the problem.
anyone who thinks there is such a thing in eve as PVE only is playing the wrong game.
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Midnight Apocalypse
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:34:00 -
[40] - Quote
@OP
Welcome to the EVE forums. |
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Spumantii
Golden Orb Technology inc Narwhals Ate My Duck
3
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:35:00 -
[41] - Quote
Ace Chaos wrote:Oxandrolone wrote:Why dont the incursion runners do something about it?
War dec the griefers/ hire mercs to dec them etc?
Sandbox is sandbox like i said in my post, forcing thoes who only PVE to PVP is not going to solve the problem.
Noone is forcing you to do or not do anything. EVE is for everyone not just a bunch of greedy carebears. If the site is there, who are you to force others not to run it?
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
12
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:43:00 -
[42] - Quote
They don't want highsec incursions to be ways to make money so that they can sit in the safety of their locked down null sec systems and drag out incursions as long as possible to make huge amounts of ISK and monopolize the Concord LP store. |
CeneUJiti
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:44:00 -
[43] - Quote
Ace Chaos wrote:There are different people in EVERY MMORPG out there:
PVPers - thoes who only pvp PVEers - thoes who only pve PVP/PVE - thoes who do both pvp and pve
These 3 aspects in a game creates a wide range of different players, and thus invites many different kinds of players to play, if you take out one, you lose a lot of people. For instance, you take out PVP a lot of players will leave EVE, however if you take out PVE you also lose a lot of players. As it is, EVE Online is a small community where peak time is only around 45k players are online at one time. Taking out PVE OR PVP would in fact lower that aspect more then you are willing to lose.
Forcing people to go one way or the other is not a good way to INVITE players to play EVE Online or any other MMORPG for that matter.
So my point here is that forcing players to sit in a station all day or to PVP is not exciting for thoes "Carebears" (as you call them) and many will eventually leave if the problem is not resolved. This does not ONLY include this Incursion aspect, but all aspects in the game.
As I said in my new thread. Fine line between "non-consensual PVP" and "there is no such thing as punishable griefing in EVE" is light years thick.
PVP has nothing to do with griefing. As our current little problem shows. Gathering a fleet and doing a NPC site for sole purpose of annoying and angering everyone? Pure griefing. "Oh but its isk interdiction". Yeah right; by ending Incursions you also prevent yourself from getting easiest high-sec ISK a well skilled PVP character can make."
And you don't really want all of EVE to play the way you want them. Dear god, imagine if everyone in EVE was lowsec pirate or highsec suicide ganker or ninja looter/salvager. There would be no victims left! Your only purpose in life and only thing that makes you feel nice (hurting people in a internet game or making them feel bad) would be gone! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1136
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:44:00 -
[44] - Quote
Damn this thread grew quick.
Remember kids, NO PVP occurred in this mass "griefing". That's right. Nobody was ganked, spanked, prodded, bumped, humped, violenced, made sex to, and still there were no puppy launchers deployed either.
A legitimate PVE target was engaged against the desires of an elite few who are a bit...uh... perturbed... by now.
I must say that this was probably one of the best live events related to Sansha that I have seen since Sansha Live Events. Two fleets raced from one mom site to the other, one a fleet of T1 ships intent on taking down the mom, the other a fleet of shineys you would not believe. Was there Russian Caviar in the cargo holds? Jars of Grey Poupon? Who knows.
A good time was had by all - except those people who think it's all about racking up ISK ISK and more ISK. The latter did NOT have a good time but hopefully they have learned something about this game today.
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Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
13
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:45:00 -
[45] - Quote
Schalac wrote:They don't want highsec incursions to be ways to make money so that they can sit in the safety of their locked down null sec systems and drag out incursions as long as possible to make huge amounts of ISK and monopolize the Concord LP store.
Yes! That is exactly why we are doing! Oh my god, the truth have been exposed! Quickly back to the wormholes! |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
160
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:47:00 -
[46] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.
I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.
CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)
Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.
Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME
nah, welcome to the sandbox, where the players can step in and fix problems temporarily while CCP figures out how to recode it... or perhaps they just let us police them. their call. Either way, party's over, and it went on far too long. Risk is higher outside of hi-sec, and so their should be greater reward. This means lesser reward in hi-sec. This is the price you pay for CONCORD's protection. DOn't like it? Leave high sec and take a risk.
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Guillame Herschel
NME1
35
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:52:00 -
[47] - Quote
CeneUJiti wrote:As I said in my new thread. Fine line between "non-consensual PVP" and "there is no such thing as punishable griefing in EVE" is light years thick.
That's because "there is no such thing as punishable griefing in EVE" is false, and no one has suggested that its true but you. |
Zosius
Silver Octopus Blind Octopus
3
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:53:00 -
[48] - Quote
I love how goons and co (OP) create new toons to post tears. Good brand marketing, I salute you. |
Boom Boom Longtime
2
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:54:00 -
[49] - Quote
Grown men mad at their keyboards playing internet spaceship game. Internet I did purchase Monocle but these days I use it as butt plug rather than visual aid enhancement.-á |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
974
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:58:00 -
[50] - Quote
CeneUJiti wrote:Gathering a fleet and doing a NPC site for sole purpose of annoying and angering everyone?
I like how you speak for everyone.
As an eve player, I'm aggravated by the absurd amounts of isk spilled into eve's economy via incursions. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
238
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:59:00 -
[51] - Quote
Zosius wrote:I love how goons and co (OP) create new toons to post tears. Good brand marketing, I salute you.
Point out the goons http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
Maximille Biagge
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:01:00 -
[52] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong Abusing a broken system gj
You mean "working as intended" right? |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1118
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:05:00 -
[53] - Quote
Greedy cry-babies expecting people to play their way and making baseless accusations about PVPers and low/null even though they are crying about people doing PVE (better than them). (aŚá_aŚâ) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (aŚá_aŚâ) |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1288
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:10:00 -
[54] - Quote
Any group content will inevitably favor those who are in group .. obviously..
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Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:13:00 -
[55] - Quote
Welcome to the sandbox.
The castle you've built is based on running an incursion in a way that prolongs the time-span of said incursion, and increases the income you get from it.
Someone else, without so much as targeting you, has found a way to kick over your castle.
Be thankful they aren't ganking your ship directly. At least you fly out of this in more than a pod.
Profit favors the prepared |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
891
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:13:00 -
[56] - Quote
if incursion runners can milk the moms and run vanguards until their wallets explode, brick, or anyone else should be able to shut them down.
both sides are gaming the system and the system could stand revision, but you can't cry foul when you are engaged in the same practice The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Dughawk
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:13:00 -
[57] - Quote
Are you Mad Bro? Is there something we can do for ya? |
Mattadore
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
2
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:27:00 -
[58] - Quote
Quote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong
Abusing a broken system gj
So, let me get this straight, the guys killing the motherships are "abusing a broken system", to **** you and your friends out of isk. And you (as far as I know) are only complaining about this "broken system" now. Now I'm not searching through old forum posts to check on this because, well **** that, BUT, it seems like you are only complaining about or bringing up that the system is broken when you get ****** out of isk. But when you and your friends were farming the **** out of it, not killing the motherships, you YOURSELVES were (in a sense) abusing a system that you knew/thought was broken. Surely if it was broken, you would have filed numerous petitions or bug reports about it and made big topics on EVE Forums about it (again I'm not going to background check that)?
So...wtf dude? Abuse a broken system for your own personal gain, but then complain when other's abuse the same broken system to **** you over/their own personal gain? Get real buds.
Edit: I've been watching lots of court tv lol, I should be a judge. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
14
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:59:00 -
[59] - Quote
I knew I should have invested in Kleenex tissues when I had the chance |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:13:00 -
[60] - Quote
Applicable to this thread: Welcome
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
99
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:04:00 -
[61] - Quote
i think this applies better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTOSqSB1YkU |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1606
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:11:00 -
[62] - Quote
brick squad is shooting the motherships when they're shootable, closing the incursions and running them as intended as opposed to prolonging them as much as possible, i do not see the problem
you're not entitled to farm them the way you do, meight |
Mad Mobius
Pandora Sphere Narwhals Ate My Duck
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:16:00 -
[63] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.....
SO CCP DO AS I SAY YOU ARE RUINING MY GAME
If this is what you believe, y u no do something about it. When you cry, you prove the enemy wins. GG. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
162
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:17:00 -
[64] - Quote
Brick squad you are meaniehead baddies.
Anyhow... Isn't the entire point to destroy the mothership? I haven't run any incursions so I guess I could be mistaken. I guess its entirely possible that it's there to sell ice cream to the local children. |
XY Zed
21
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:21:00 -
[65] - Quote
Remote rep the mothership so they take forever? LOL please do this OP and I would totally give you some isk. |
Caldari Acolyte
Perkone Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:28:00 -
[66] - Quote
Br1ck Squad still producing tasty tears......Br1ck squad still best squad |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
712
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:29:00 -
[67] - Quote
1-Up Mushroom wrote:Xolve wrote:The only thing in this thread that got 'sorted out' is your name. ..and your signature
Didn't want that signature anyway. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
163
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:33:00 -
[68] - Quote
Xolve wrote:1-Up Mushroom wrote:Xolve wrote:The only thing in this thread that got 'sorted out' is your name. ..and your signature Didn't want that signature anyway.
Great... Now I'm curious as to what the original one was. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1606
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:59:00 -
[69] - Quote
XY Zed wrote:Remote rep the mothership so they take forever? LOL please do this OP and I would totally give you some isk.
pretty sure remote repping rats gets you concorded, these baddies refuse to run incursions outside of the safety of highsec |
Xpaulusx
Hosti1e Traff1c Control
20
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Posted - 2012.01.21 04:02:00 -
[70] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.
I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.
CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)
Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.
Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME Did Br1ck touch you in the no no spot or something? Word of advice, better insure your ships lol |
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ClusterFook
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.21 04:07:00 -
[71] - Quote
Now heres an Idea, most in BTL average 100 mil an hour per person in 10 man groups. So get 2 groups run them for 3 hours then give a good merc corp 6 billion to attack them when they start attacking the mom. Honestly if your complaining about this your just lazy.
If your not willing to fight for yourselves pony up the isk and pay someone else too. This is EVE, the meek shall not inherit it. |
Buff Jesus
12
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Posted - 2012.01.21 04:11:00 -
[72] - Quote
Just think off all those poor innocent civilians being abducted while you drag your feet for more isk. For shame sir. For shame. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2012.01.21 04:12:00 -
[73] - Quote
Large Collidable Object wrote:CeneUJiti wrote:Gathering a fleet and doing a NPC site for sole purpose of annoying and angering everyone?
I like how you speak for everyone. As an eve player, I'm aggravated by the absurd amounts of isk spilled into eve's economy via incursions.
Which accounts for about 5% or less of the faucets.
Have you considered how much for instance normal mission running contributes into the mix? Or all the other isk generating capabilities.
Regardless of that inflation isnt an issue according to the recent CSM minutes (about 1%) so any "spilling" into the economy isnt a problem as reported by CCP.
The main objections to high sec incurions seems to be from Null sec sov players who want to monopolise the personal wealth generating opportunites to encourage player interest in their area of EvE. Either that or people are just jelly of people being able to generate personal wealth in any form.
However, its continually missguided to link incursions as a main contributor to economic problems that don't exist.
Having said that, sandbox is sandbox, and asking CCP to police the process of early MoM killing is just stupid. I'd seriously prefer to retain freedom of Player expression to colour what happens in new eden. But it seems to be an increasing problem that players will quickly run for a CCP nerfhammer or ruling to compensate for something they dont like. |
cpu939
OffBeat Creations
14
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Posted - 2012.01.21 04:36:00 -
[74] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote: early MoM killing.
how can it be early if you have the force to take it out and you want to you should
this topic made me cry from lol to much |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2012.01.21 04:44:00 -
[75] - Quote
cpu939 wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote: early MoM killing. how can it be early if you have the force to take it out and you want to you should this topic made me cry from lol to much
Since the objections are towards incurions runners who leave the Mom alone for extended rewards whilst it's alive due to the ongoing spawns.
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Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
36
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Posted - 2012.01.21 04:47:00 -
[76] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.
I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.
CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)
Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.
Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME
Eh, why are you complaining that some people are doing PVE and running the mom site together? I don't see anything wrong here? Maybe you should go to null sec where you can kill carebears freely. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
241
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Posted - 2012.01.21 04:52:00 -
[77] - Quote
ClusterFook wrote:Now heres an Idea, most in BTL average 100 mil an hour per person in 10 man groups. So get 2 groups run them for 3 hours then give a good merc corp 6 billion to attack them when they start attacking the mom. Honestly if your complaining about this your just lazy.
If your not willing to fight for yourselves pony up the isk and pay someone else too. This is EVE, the meek shall not inherit it.
If every one of the farmers in the BLT Pub channel donated 100M ISK to hire mercenaries in a common pool, the entire interdiction would fail in days as every interdiction fleet would die horribly to constant blackbird ganks. It's not like 100M is a lot when you're farming 100M/hour for days unending and you can afford 2-3B ISK ships with which to do so.
But this would require the bears to cough up some of their precious ISK...I'm not too worried. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1127
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Posted - 2012.01.21 04:59:00 -
[78] - Quote
Serves you right for being greedy farmers. Now the incursions are being concluded legitimately and as intended you try to make out you are victims and wish to deny genuine Mom killers from having their PVE fun. (aŚá_aŚâ) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (aŚá_aŚâ) |
Buff Jesus
13
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Posted - 2012.01.21 05:13:00 -
[79] - Quote
What precedent do you even have that would lead you to believe that CCP gives the slightest **** if someone griefs you? Hell, this is the only game I've ever seen where strait up scamming is perfectly allowed. |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
521
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Posted - 2012.01.21 05:21:00 -
[80] - Quote
I have cataract. Doctors say I shouldnt read threads this much or I will go blind.
I heard from far away, the FC's ordering me to go read the 20 + threads. He said He didnt care what size monitor I had or weather the flickering contrast gave me a headaches. He was drunk as usual. But his desire to make me read the threads was strong.
Whoop viewer count is rising, whats this?
Whatthe **** are these posts? Are these people trolling? I said to Vasya I cant read the threads, my glasses are expensive. Glasses are expensive, but new monitor even more so. I asked which thread was primary tears thread, he said any thread.
I told him I couldnt read with my monitor flickering. He said he knew I was **** and to read the threads anyway. I was worried but I had already opened C & P.
Just not another Nullsec conspiracy thread we thought. Read the threads you useless tards, he said.
Highway to the danger zone...Gonna take you....... right into the danger zone.
No one paid any attention to my posts any more. Who the hell reads D3 posts with so many people QQing? It was a cluster..... Who is liking my posts? **** off and like your own posts *****!
We read all the tears and somehow still were reading more in BTL and TDF....
We tried to tell him we read all the posts and got most of the tears, but he didn't remember anything.
Ever drunk douchebag..... Not like me... I do Mushroom pizza, and coca cola....
Brought to you by http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyPyh9Qtawk
How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
47
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Posted - 2012.01.21 05:37:00 -
[81] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:CeneUJiti wrote:Gathering a fleet and doing a NPC site for sole purpose of annoying and angering everyone? I like how you speak for everyone. As an eve player, I'm aggravated by the absurd amounts of isk spilled into eve's economy via incursions. Which accounts for about 5% or less of the faucets. Have you considered how much for instance normal mission running contributes into the mix? Or all the other isk generating capabilities. Regardless of that inflation isnt an issue according to the recent CSM minutes (about 1%) so any "spilling" into the economy isnt a problem as reported by CCP. *snip* 1% per month.. that's 12% per year.. probably more.
A currency is being considered 'stable'* in a window of 1-3% per year..
*) stable would be 0%, but there is some more to it and current real world currencies aren't constructed/designed to work with 0% (for the worse of the planet and all it's inhabitants).
@OP: you fail
@Br1ck & Co: nice job
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rareden
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
5
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Posted - 2012.01.21 05:46:00 -
[82] - Quote
no more high sec incursions, LOVE IT!! make them cry more. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
782
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Posted - 2012.01.21 05:48:00 -
[83] - Quote
Schalac wrote:They don't want highsec incursions to be ways to make money so that they can sit in the safety of their locked down null sec systems and drag out incursions as long as possible to make huge amounts of ISK and monopolize the Concord LP store. Except must of us don't live in null. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
16
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Posted - 2012.01.21 05:51:00 -
[84] - Quote
lol good one |
Ame Sonoda
Requiem of the Sinner
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 05:56:00 -
[85] - Quote
Darius III wrote: I have cataract...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPx7CNT2aVs&feature=youtu.be&t=6m45s
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
16
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Posted - 2012.01.21 05:57:00 -
[86] - Quote
Buff Jesus wrote:Just think off all those poor innocent civilians being abducted while you drag your feet for more isk. For shame sir. For shame.
Not true I do the assault Overwlemed Civilian Facility site were I actually save the poor civies :) |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
16
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Posted - 2012.01.21 05:58:00 -
[87] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Schalac wrote:They don't want highsec incursions to be ways to make money so that they can sit in the safety of their locked down null sec systems and drag out incursions as long as possible to make huge amounts of ISK and monopolize the Concord LP store. Except must of us don't live in null.
Most of Brick doesn't live in NULL anymore? Why did they get kicked out? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4477
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Posted - 2012.01.21 06:00:00 -
[88] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Abusing a broken system gj How is it broken?
Grumpy Owly wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:As an eve player, I'm aggravated by the absurd amounts of isk spilled into eve's economy via incursions. Which accounts for about 5% or less of the faucets. Do you have any actual source for that? GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Brock Nelson
308
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Posted - 2012.01.21 06:02:00 -
[89] - Quote
Please guys, don't kill the mom. I need the isk to repair my protuting prostate I don't always like to modify my sell order but when I do, I like to spin my mouse wheel |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
164
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Posted - 2012.01.21 06:03:00 -
[90] - Quote
Brock Nelson wrote:Please guys, don't kill the mom. I need the isk to repair my protuting prostate
Protuting does not sound very pleasant. |
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Brock Nelson
308
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Posted - 2012.01.21 06:09:00 -
[91] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:Brock Nelson wrote:Please guys, don't kill the mom. I need the isk to repair my protuting prostate Protuting does not sound very pleasant.
It feels nice when I'm sitting in the bathroom and petting it I don't always like to modify my sell order but when I do, I like to spin my mouse wheel |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
36
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Posted - 2012.01.21 06:22:00 -
[92] - Quote
People keep saying we own all these tech moons and live in null. Brick has a total of 0 tech moons and bases out of high/lowsec conspiracy theories idk |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
214
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Posted - 2012.01.21 06:50:00 -
[93] - Quote
Another whiney wanker makes another **** thread about some incoherent bollocks no one gives a **** about.
Edit: The forum doesn't censor wanker or bollocks, who knew... Damn nature, you scary! |
c4 t
Push Pharmaceuticals Push Interstellar Network
9
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Posted - 2012.01.21 06:56:00 -
[94] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:obvious brick squad alt detected
I have my suspicious as well, but I can always hope this isn't so. |
yarona
Tri-gun Psychotic Tendencies.
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 07:04:00 -
[95] - Quote
Oh the tears! The tasty, tasty carebear tears! Seriously though, Threads like this do nothing but feed the trolls. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
516
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Posted - 2012.01.21 09:34:00 -
[96] - Quote
Hahaha...
EVE is a SANDBOX |
Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.01.21 09:53:00 -
[97] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong Abusing a broken system gj
actually YOU were the ones abusing a broken system. There is supposed to be competition about the sites, the mom, the incursion altogether. Splitting the incursions between two groups, milking incursions without attacking the mom etc.. THAT was abusing a broken system. Now finally its working as intended
btw this might be something for you, so you can BE HAPPY: http://www.herterstudio.com/be%20happy.htm
edit: if you really got a problem with someone interupting your gameplay through intended gamemechanics, why dont you do the same. Just wardec them and 'r*pe' their ass everywhere you see them. thats what real eve players do and you can do that too if you got the balls for that my sweet fluffy caring carebear bunny |
Skurja Volpar
DPB Corporation
14
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Posted - 2012.01.21 10:59:00 -
[98] - Quote
DelBoy Trades wrote:Another whiney wanker makes another **** thread about some incoherent bollocks no one gives a **** about.
Edit: The forum doesn't censor wanker or bollocks, who knew...
It doesn't censor **** either, good times .
But OT, this isn't even any type of griefing. Mom sites are not the property of Btl or whoever and are availible to all. Crying about being bullied by pvpers will not induce sympathy. Although griefing via pve is pretty impressive to say the least.
Full time Incursion runners really are the new miners.
If your just going farm repetative and risk free vanguards all day then cry when something dynamic happens, this is exactly what you deserve.
edit: Ok well it didn't censor **** yesterday :( |
Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
224
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:20:00 -
[99] - Quote
Incursion by hostile Sansha forces commences.
Neutral forces muster to neutralise threat
Quicker Sansha threat nullified more innocent lives saved
Wats the problem here?
Black Man with Goggles |
Christina Trild
SkyNet Experiments
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:31:00 -
[100] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.
I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.
CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)
Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.
Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME
Wow you are just giving them exacltly what they want FRESH tears I couldn't wish for more myself |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
145
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:39:00 -
[101] - Quote
Ace Chaos wrote:Oxandrolone wrote:Why dont the incursion runners do something about it?
War dec the griefers/ hire mercs to dec them etc?
Sandbox is sandbox like i said in my post, forcing thoes who only PVE to PVP is not going to solve the problem.
Since incursioneers are not exactly poor, they could just pay someone else to solve the problem for them.
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1133
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:44:00 -
[102] - Quote
I don't understand how PVE activity is 'griefing'. (aŚá_aŚâ) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (aŚá_aŚâ) |
Beckie DeLey
DeLey Enterprises
5
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:46:00 -
[103] - Quote
The solution for OP and others of his ilk is posted by one of their own in this thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60096&find=unread
Unsub. Get out of the sandbox. Go play WoW (for shiny raids aka Incursions) or X3 (for Spaceships). Easy and everyone wins. It's The Legendary Extraordinary Me |
Cassandra Badasaz
Solarcom
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:50:00 -
[104] - Quote
Goodness, I hope the OP really dosent think ccp cares about his view. This game is run by a club, not a corp, if you're not in the club you don't count. You have only two choices OP, deal with it or unsub. |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
714
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:59:00 -
[105] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:Xolve wrote:
Didn't want that signature anyway.
Great... Now I'm curious as to what the original one was.
It said everytime you masterbate, a newbee (goon) gets a Rifter! (during GSF's recruitment drive)
I was also immensely intoxicated at the time, during the Branch campaign, and we scored quite a few juicy kills because we had newbees in Rifters there to point things. Think Boat and Endie were going on about it in Mumble at the time, and I thought it was funny (troll forums while sov grinding erryday) Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Leontyne Gaterau
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2012.01.21 15:40:00 -
[106] - Quote
These fine pilots are doing more to end the Sansha incursions than any other so called incursion fleet. Those complaining must be Sansha sympathizers, and deserve no mercy. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
298
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Posted - 2012.01.21 16:18:00 -
[107] - Quote
lol Darius must be trying hard to keep the brick membership busy now they have no 0.0 to call home.
Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
118
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:12:00 -
[108] - Quote
David Grogan wrote:lol Darius must be trying hard to keep the brick membership busy now they have no 0.0 to call home.
You have to be a pretty awful leader to reduce an established 0.0 alliance like Brick Squad to an homeless orphan. Maybe if Brick leadership spent less time obsessing over Incursions and more time leading an alliance, they could find a home again.
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Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
287
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:12:00 -
[109] - Quote
MY NAME IS JOVAN GELDON |
Graelyn
Amarrian Retribution
181
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:14:00 -
[110] - Quote
I guaranfuckinTEE you that CCP are laughing as much as most of us are at all this unexpected sandbox-iness. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
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Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
292
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:33:00 -
[111] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbcctWbC8Q0
Working as intended. If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
516
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Posted - 2012.01.21 20:49:00 -
[112] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:David Grogan wrote:lol Darius must be trying hard to keep the brick membership busy now they have no 0.0 to call home.
You have to be a pretty awful leader to reduce an established 0.0 alliance like Brick Squad to an homeless orphan. Maybe if Brick leadership spent less time obsessing over Incursions and more time leading an alliance, they could find a home again.
Like PL
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Harriethyde
Solarise Flares Dis.connect
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 21:08:00 -
[113] - Quote
This is clearly a troll. 6 pages in and no one noticed... ?
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LanFear TyRaX
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.21 21:14:00 -
[114] - Quote
Jovan Geldon wrote:MY NAME IS JOVAN GELDON
I like your alliance name :) |
Sundarpants
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 21:33:00 -
[115] - Quote
Uh... this is a sandbox game right?.... you know what this is yeah? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
872
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:12:00 -
[116] - Quote
Harriethyde wrote:This is clearly a troll. 6 pages in and no one noticed... ?
Oh, I think most everyone realizes the OP is just trolling, but it's a great thread regardless.
I'm waiting for the outpouring of community angst when they realize the groups that are dragging out these Incursions are actually screwing up the game play for all of the people that call the area the Incursion is occupying home.
In truth, the greedy few are subverting game mechanics to pad their own wallet at the expense of the rest of the community.
I have the pitch forks if someone can supply the torches. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
516
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:24:00 -
[117] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Harriethyde wrote:This is clearly a troll. 6 pages in and no one noticed... ?
Oh, I think most everyone realizes the OP is just trolling, but it's a great thread regardless. I'm waiting for the outpouring of community angst when they realize the groups that are dragging out these Incursions are actually screwing up the game play for all of the people that call the area the Incursion is occupying home. In truth, the greedy few are subverting game mechanics to pad their own wallet at the expense of the rest of the community. I have the pitch forks if someone can supply the torches. Thank you Ranger. I love this post.
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Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
150
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:51:00 -
[118] - Quote
Someone needs to stop Brick from this hisec griefing.
If they keep doing this, I might actually start to like them. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1240
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Posted - 2012.01.21 23:10:00 -
[119] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong Abusing a broken system gj
^^^^^ This poast is so full of WINNING.
TotallynotafakeEDIT: Sorry, missed an H, added an extra N in there. dAWwww, here he goes. -áPoastin' Drunk agin. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
158
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Posted - 2012.01.21 23:13:00 -
[120] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong Abusing a broken system gj
Hypocrisy, much, ISK-farmer?
Kill Incursion-farmers. With Fire(TM)
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
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IsoMetricanTaliac 2
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 23:33:00 -
[121] - Quote
This thread looks like it was started by someone who has had it too good for too long & because of that they THINK they have some sort of right to have CCP step in & create an even bigger problem by making them untouchable by other players while they continue farming HUGE amounts of ISK & LP.
We have a situation where these 2 main Incursion running corp/alliances are telling people they have some sort of agreement with CCP to make the rules around how Incursions are run & who can take part. Most people who have any idea would know that this is just a load of rubbish & now that there are players disturbing these farmers they decide that they need to run to the forums & any other place they think people will listen & cry.
I am surprised they haven't started a thread about all the accounts that are going to unsub unless CCP does what THEY want! (Oh wait a minute they have!) With the amount of ISK you people have made since you started farming I would have to wonder if some of it is being channeled into RMT coffers?
Lets hope CCP does make changes to the amounts of ISK & LP that can be made from running these things endlessly because it is having a negative affect on the market prices of EVERYTHING & those that want to play other parts of the game are instantly put at a disadvantage as they don't have the constant streams of MEGA-ISK coming into their wallets yet they have to deal with the problems it is causing.
I think there also needs to be some sort of statement from CCP about whether these people are able to DICTATE what the rules are around doing Incursions because isn't that boarder line Rule Breaking in it's self?
So cry it up BIG & continue losing your HIGH Value ships because someone has to get the loot from them
Also it's funny to see these twits trying to come out with some sort of comeback on the forums because it just shows how badly the incursions have made things for those that want to play other aspects of the game. Stop allowing them to keep the damn things running when the SuperCarrier spawns by not killing it. |
Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.01.21 23:37:00 -
[122] - Quote
play another game if the incursion drama is bugging you, you may discover that the game industry is not only CCP. |
Din'stalor Alaric
StarHunt Broken Toys
45
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Posted - 2012.01.22 02:17:00 -
[123] - Quote
OP - Welcome to Eve Online. I guess you never logged on before? Amirite? Solo 4 Life.1v1 always honored, flying without booster alt since Oct 2010.No ransoms honored even if offered :) |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
239
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Posted - 2012.01.22 02:36:00 -
[124] - Quote
Heaven forfend that you might try and stop them yourself. |
Nyssa Litari
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2012.01.22 02:47:00 -
[125] - Quote
rareden wrote: correction we are fixing the broken system, it just so happens that people such as you are crying that you cant make your op amounts of isk thus making it more enjoyable for us.
So by that logic, all the Incursion runners should be crying for tech moons to be nerfed, yes? So are you killing MOMs in low and null also? You claim to be after balance, after all. Or is it only a slanting in your favor that you're after? |
Haoibuni
Fleet of the Damned Ace of Spades.
2
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Posted - 2012.01.22 03:10:00 -
[126] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDS7boNwtKk |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
246
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Posted - 2012.01.22 03:10:00 -
[127] - Quote
Nyssa Litari wrote:rareden wrote: correction we are fixing the broken system, it just so happens that people such as you are crying that you cant make your op amounts of isk thus making it more enjoyable for us.
So by that logic, all the Incursion runners should be crying for tech moons to be nerfed, yes? So are you killing MOMs in low and null also? You claim to be after balance, after all. Or is it only a slanting in your favor that you're after? Literally no one is stopping you from forming up a fleet to do that. Have at. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1151
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Posted - 2012.01.22 03:20:00 -
[128] - Quote
How dare null sec have more resources than high sec. (aŚá_aŚâ) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (aŚá_aŚâ) |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
169
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Posted - 2012.01.22 03:21:00 -
[129] - Quote
Lady Spank wrote:How dare null sec have more resources than high sec.
Oh the horror! |
Buff Jesus
15
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Posted - 2012.01.22 03:25:00 -
[130] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Nyssa Litari wrote:rareden wrote: correction we are fixing the broken system, it just so happens that people such as you are crying that you cant make your op amounts of isk thus making it more enjoyable for us.
So by that logic, all the Incursion runners should be crying for tech moons to be nerfed, yes? So are you killing MOMs in low and null also? You claim to be after balance, after all. Or is it only a slanting in your favor that you're after? Literally no one is stopping you from forming up a fleet to do that. Have at.
But then their shiny instagib ships might get roughed up on the way there. Madness... New Favorite Eve Hobby: Bumping BS's with a Crow. |
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1151
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Posted - 2012.01.22 03:30:00 -
[131] - Quote
It's not fair to force PVP on people. They should be able to form a public tear collection and have CCP fix it for them. (aŚá_aŚâ) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (aŚá_aŚâ) |
Rendaw
The Green Cross Controlled Chaos
4
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Posted - 2012.01.22 03:37:00 -
[132] - Quote
best tears in ages OP this incursion stuff is making forum lurking so fun.
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Sekket
White-Noise
9
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Posted - 2012.01.22 03:52:00 -
[133] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.
I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.
CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)
Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.
Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME
My god, I'm outraged by this turn of events. Imagine the gaul of them playing the game within the parameters that CCP established! - CQ isn't a refuge, it's a cage. |
Myxx
Atropos Group Blood Right
480
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Posted - 2012.01.22 08:00:00 -
[134] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.
I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.
CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)
Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.
Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME You. Uninstall. Now. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
85
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Posted - 2012.01.22 08:03:00 -
[135] - Quote
Sounds sorted to me, kill the mom, or kill the Br1ck guys. |
Razor Blue
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
9
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Posted - 2012.01.22 08:20:00 -
[136] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.
I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.
CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)
Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.
Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME
Sorry, but this is how Incursions are supposed to work. They are not supposed to provide steady stream of isk 23/7.
One day you get 100mil per hour, next day you get nothing, this is how Incursions are balanced.
Missions provide steady +60mil per hour every single day.
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
52
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Posted - 2012.01.22 08:21:00 -
[137] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote: Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
Yeah I agree, needs to be made good for everyone, Sansha Loyalists and friends have been kicked to the curb by artificial barriers keeping them from enjoying Incursions. Remove CONCORD from these systems with Incursions so everyone can participate, heck you would have been able to try and blow up BrickSquad before they killed the MOM had it not been for the undefeatable CONCORD presence in High Sec.
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
85
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Posted - 2012.01.22 08:34:00 -
[138] - Quote
Xorv wrote:minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote: Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
Yeah I agree, needs to be made good for everyone, Sansha Loyalists and friends have been kicked to the curb by artificial barriers keeping them from enjoying Incursions. Remove CONCORD from these systems with Incursions so everyone can participate, heck you would have been able to try and blow up BrickSquad before they killed the MOM had it not been for the undefeatable CONCORD presence in High Sec.
Don't even need to do that, a little bit of a sec buffer (which you should be floored if you are an incursion runner) and just fly ina bunch of rooks and jam the logi.
Buh bye mom fleet, and you only take an aggression hit now, a full 2% ship kill.
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Sicex
11
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Posted - 2012.01.22 08:43:00 -
[139] - Quote
I feel like I'm in a buffet of tears and I just can't stop eating!
I love you Brick Squad, keep up the good fight by keeping those Sansha bitches out of our backyards!
Edit: I forgot to remind everyone how hard CCP is laughing with glee right now that their sandbox game finally came half circle - full circle occurs when the Bears realize their ships can fit modules called 'Warp Disruptors' that prevent target ships from escaping their ... *ahem* wrath. |
Tub Chil
Heretic University Heretic Nation
11
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:23:00 -
[140] - Quote
you dirty little bears...
you have:
1) Faction fitted T3-s 2) Faction fitted faction battleships 3) Logistics 4) Numbers
Move your pink asses out of noob NPC corps, wardec them and kill them. If you can't do that at least have some honor to STFU. |
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
264
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:32:00 -
[141] - Quote
Wow. I dont think I have read this many tears since Kartoons Jihadswarm days. However, drama is good
Carry on. |
Daniel L'Siata
Echelon Conflict Resolution. Psychotic Tendencies.
77
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:35:00 -
[142] - Quote
Oh god, these tears are delicious, they fill the void in my soul that I can't get with food.
*eats a hotdog and cries* |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
274
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:45:00 -
[143] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
Working exactly as intended (Rico puts on wizard hat and prepares to defend teh RP guys honour..)
Thank -Insert prefered thing to thank-(God/Empress/Empreror/Exotic Dancers/Matari etc) someone is putting an end to the Sansha menace and not letting more helpless peoepl get sucked into the spaceships and turned into erm.. bio-mech alien zombies? (hold on, isnt that that aweful film Skyline?)
Basically these mean spirited people killing Sansha Moms are actually playing the incursions part of Eve right, the rest of you are exploiting the mechanic to farm isk in massive volumes not available anywhere else to the run of the mill player in a spaceship.
Incursions spawns should spawn once and that it for each site. End of farming. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Freundliches Feuer
Exanimo Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:46:00 -
[144] - Quote
We were there.... and we will be there for the next one... and the one after that.... umad yet ?
Keep the tears flowin' ;) |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1300
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:05:00 -
[145] - Quote
Hello everyone,
In the interest of keeping the forum a bit less cluttered, I suggest keeping all feedback on the recent Brick Squad campaign in this thread (its title has been changed accordingly to provide a little extra clarity). I'd like to stress that this is not an attempt to censor the discussion or sweep things under the rug, but rather to maintain General Discussion in a more or less healthy state.
I have already sent the feedback on the whole "turbo-running incursions" situation to our developers and hope they will be able to pitch in here soon. Consolidating the conversation in one thread will allow them to read all the arguments more easily and provide their own thoughts in a single place.
We appreciate the concern of both parties involved and will definitely take all feedback into consideration.
Ninja edit: Please keep in mind that all forum rules are still in effect, and failure to adhere to them may result in warnings and/or bans. CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:16:00 -
[146] - Quote
Tres Farmer wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:CeneUJiti wrote:Gathering a fleet and doing a NPC site for sole purpose of annoying and angering everyone? I like how you speak for everyone. As an eve player, I'm aggravated by the absurd amounts of isk spilled into eve's economy via incursions. Which accounts for about 5% or less of the faucets. Have you considered how much for instance normal mission running contributes into the mix? Or all the other isk generating capabilities. Regardless of that inflation isnt an issue according to the recent CSM minutes (about 1%) so any "spilling" into the economy isnt a problem as reported by CCP. *snip* 1% per month.. that's 12% per year.. probably more. A currency is being considered 'stable'* in a window of 1-3% per year.. *) stable would be 0%, but there is some more to it and current real world currencies aren't constructed/designed to work with 0% (for the worse of the planet and all it's inhabitants). @OP: you fail @Br1ck & Co: nice job
The 1% is the current inflation value, I assume this is an annual figure not a monthly one. And the fact that CCP reported to the CSM that it wasnt an issue refutes your scare mongering attempt to twist the statistics for personal selfish reasons as opposed to an objective argument.
Seems to be an ongoing trend with the griefers however, in that they need to invent reasons.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4487
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:16:00 -
[147] - Quote
GÇŞand since everything is going into this thread instead, I suppose I have to respond to a different thread here instead:
saltrock0000 wrote:This is the highest priced MMO on the market. Sure. If by GÇŁhighest pricedGÇĽ you mean GÇŁusing the standard price for the industryGÇĽ. I wonder why people keep bringing up this particular piece of nonsense when it's so blatantly falseGÇŞ GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
359
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:18:00 -
[148] - Quote
All of this is just a propaganda campaign to have Darius III re-elected to the CSM.
Put a timer on the mothership. When timer runs out, mothership is gone, incursion dissapears. No more ISK farming. No more tears from farmers and griefers alike. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
212
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:19:00 -
[149] - Quote
CCP Spitfire wrote: I'd like to stress that this is not an attempt to censor the discussion or sweep things under the rug, but rather to maintain General Discussion in a more or less healthy state.
Regardless of whether you stress it or not, I'm sorry but shoehorning multiple threads with different trains of thought into one megathread is effectively censoring the ideas.
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saltrock0000
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
16
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:19:00 -
[150] - Quote
If CCP activly do anything to change incursions then they WILL loose subscibers. However, IF a group of people get together and decide to act alone and destroy a mothership to stop the endless farming then so be it. ITS FAIR!
EvE is a sandbox and is what you and I make of it.
CCP shouldn't nurf incursions, but at the same time if this "griefing" happens its part of the game and CCP shouldn't take action against them.
- A true incursioners input - |
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Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:29:00 -
[151] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:
Put a timer on the mothership. When timer runs out, mothership is gone, incursion dissapears.
Agree 100%.
I vote for a 7 day countdown timer.
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Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
7
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:33:00 -
[152] - Quote
Calisto Fox wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:
Put a timer on the mothership. When timer runs out, mothership is gone, incursion dissapears.
Agree 100%. I vote for a 7 day countdown timer. Or you could just not farm them so hard that the mothership spawns in the first 12h of the incursion. |
Camios
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:34:00 -
[153] - Quote
This thing that if CCP tweaks something for empire PVErs they leave is just a lie. Hisec risk free pve is ruining EVE, it just cuts every economical reason to move from hisec for a lone player, or possibly even small groups that are loosely organized.
Hisec PVE should give you less money and more fun. It would be even then. |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
117
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:34:00 -
[154] - Quote
Gorki Andropov wrote:CCP Spitfire wrote: I'd like to stress that this is not an attempt to censor the discussion or sweep things under the rug, but rather to maintain General Discussion in a more or less healthy state.
Regardless of whether you stress it or not, I'm sorry but shoehorning multiple threads with different trains of thought into one megathread is effectively censoring the ideas. Well, CCP mods never showed much understanding of forum culture, so no real surprise. |
thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
75
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:34:00 -
[155] - Quote
saltrock0000 wrote:If CCP activly do anything to change incursions then they WILL loose subscibers. However, IF a group of people get together and decide to act alone and destroy a mothership to stop the endless farming then so be it. ITS FAIR!
EvE is a sandbox and is what you and I make of it.
CCP shouldn't nurf incursions, but at the same time if this "griefing" happens its part of the game and CCP shouldn't take action against them.
- A true incursioners input -
agreed. I hate high sec incursion runners as much as the next lowsec/ nullsec dweller. Nerf Incursion- you can earn more money in highsec running incursions than in any part of low or nullsec which is unbelievable.
In Lowsec/ nullsec/ wormhole- you have to fight for what you want- BTL and TDL need to realize that right now they need to fight for their incursions/ income - nothing in eve is free, the cost may be high but you need earn your right to run incursions
Hire mercs/ war dec them and fight. Use your industrialists/ traders to find out the source of thier income- and hit it.
I'm generally surprised at the incursion leaders, I know some of them- and i dont view them as walkovers. I'd love to see you show some backbone and hit them back- but i still believe the incursions need nerfing. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
148
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:35:00 -
[156] - Quote
Waiting for griefers tears |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4487
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:36:00 -
[157] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:Put a timer on the mothership. When timer runs out, mothership is gone, incursion dissapears. No more ISK farming. No more tears from farmers and griefers alike. Nah. Put a rewards timer on the mothership: each incursion contains a fixed amount of rewards, and when they have all been paid out, the incursion disappears. Each site is adjusted to give a portion of these rewards proportional to the average man-hours needed for an incursion as a whole compared to the amount of man-hours needed on average for the particular site. GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
85
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:37:00 -
[158] - Quote
Aineko Macx wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:CCP Spitfire wrote: I'd like to stress that this is not an attempt to censor the discussion or sweep things under the rug, but rather to maintain General Discussion in a more or less healthy state.
Regardless of whether you stress it or not, I'm sorry but shoehorning multiple threads with different trains of thought into one megathread is effectively censoring the ideas. Well, CCP mods never showed much understanding of forum culture, so no real surprise.
LOL
There were 6 thread on the exact same thing, with varying degrees of nerdrage.
If that is forum culture.,..... |
Telvani
The Scope
19
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:40:00 -
[159] - Quote
Really hope these tears are genuine, how about you use all that isk your farmed to dec / suicide gank them? Eve is not a PVE game. There are people in eve who get their kicks from killing you
They are, statistically much better at killing you than you are at not being killed |
Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:45:00 -
[160] - Quote
Camios wrote:
Hisec PVE should give you less money and more fun. It would be even then.
So highsec incursions are better payouts than their low/null counterparts? I agree, that is unbalanced.
On the same note, high sec is more fun, absolutely, but thats due to not being a slave to a null overlord and being used as nothing but pawns to line someody elses pocket and not having the brains to stop for a moment and question it. Null bears deserve their own fate for being mindless drones.
Reminds me of the borg in a way lol
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Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:46:00 -
[161] - Quote
Telvani wrote:Really hope these tears are genuine, how about you use all that isk your farmed to dec / suicide gank them? Eve is not a PVE game.
EVE is a sandbox, therefor its whatever i want it to be. Think before you click post. |
Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:48:00 -
[162] - Quote
In the interest of having a single point of feedback on the current incursion situation, I would ask everyone to use this thread for feedback, suggestions, calls to action, etc. Please refer to this post for a more detailed explanation.
For the beter EvE incursion payout MUST be boosted, the income is way to low whne you see how many ppl lose there pimped ships to much risk for small reward. |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
117
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:51:00 -
[163] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:Well, CCP mods never showed much understanding of forum culture, so no real surprise. There were 6 thread on the exact same thing, with varying degrees of nerdrage. If that is forum culture.,..... Not speaking of this particular *gate (is it that already?). The eve community is indeed on the acid-y side of the scale, but on most other forums mods would have a short run if they worked like here. And since we have no influence on that, it is not unsurprising people run to other forums... |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
13
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:06:00 -
[164] - Quote
I dont understand the problem here, surely killing the mothership and stopping the incursion the aim of incursions... right?
Or is the problem that its getting in the way of farming isk from sites long after the mothership has appeared. I'm pretty sure that's the sandbox working as intended. Brick et al are just playing incursions the way they want to play... |
Darrow Hill
Vodka and Vice
24
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:11:00 -
[165] - Quote
Aruken Marr wrote:I dont understand the problem here, surely killing the mothership and stopping the incursion the aim of incursions... right?
Right.
Once the Mom spawns, it's there for any fleet to engage.
Nothing to see here but boring PvE, tbh.
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Telvani
The Scope
19
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:13:00 -
[166] - Quote
Calisto Fox wrote:Telvani wrote:Really hope these tears are genuine, how about you use all that isk your farmed to dec / suicide gank them? Eve is not a PVE game. EVE is a sandbox, therefor its whatever i want it to be. Think before you click post.
Lol no.
Its a sandbox, so everyone can do what they want.
There are people in eve who get their kicks from killing you
They are, statistically much better at killing you than you are at not being killed |
Telvani
The Scope
19
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:14:00 -
[167] - Quote
Double post. There are people in eve who get their kicks from killing you
They are, statistically much better at killing you than you are at not being killed |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
86
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:15:00 -
[168] - Quote
Darrow Hill wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:I dont understand the problem here, surely killing the mothership and stopping the incursion the aim of incursions... right? Right. Once the Mom spawns, it's there for any fleet to engage. Nothing to see here but boring PvE, tbh.
Yes, while I appreciated the big organized gangs not killing the mom so I could make more money.
I fail to see how someone killing the mom when it comes up as an "issue". |
Ur235
Mind Games.
17
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:15:00 -
[169] - Quote
I think it was a brilliant idea and I applaud the guys who did it good job loving the tears hmm |
Pinaculus
Hole Busters
138
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:19:00 -
[170] - Quote
+1 for hiring a merc corp. I don't run Incursions anymore, so I don't really care. If I did, however, I'd definitely chip in.
Because this is EVE, and violence solves everything. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1620
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:23:00 -
[171] - Quote
yeah hey wardec an alliance that doesn't have any static assets and whose members can just drop corp for the duration, great idea |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:25:00 -
[172] - Quote
Quote from the recent produced CSM minutes:
"Both the CSM and CCP agree on that Incursions are good in terms of gameplay and ISK payout, but the time for adjustments based on player behavior data is at hand"
So rewards are fine.
Gameplay isnt broken, so systems dont need to change.
So I assume the "behaviour" data must refer to AI changes for the predicatability they talk about, which sounds like a good thing on the "funsics" level. |
Camios
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:25:00 -
[173] - Quote
Calisto Fox wrote:Camios wrote:
Hisec PVE should give you less money and more fun. It would be even then.
So highsec incursions are better payouts than their low/null counterparts? I agree, that is unbalanced. On the same note, high sec is more fun, absolutely, but thats due to not being a slave to a null overlord and being used as nothing but pawns to line someody elses pocket and not having the brains to stop for a moment and question it. Null bears deserve their own fate for being mindless drones. Reminds me of the borg in a way lol
Yes. Try this: First go in hisec and take part in an incursion fleet, and write down how much you get isk vs hour wise. Then go into lowsec or nullsec and try do the same without being blown up. If you can, you'll get more money, if you cannot you'll get less money afterall, in the sense that it's economically convenient to stay in highsec if you're not part of a corporation that can afford staying in lowsec/0.0 and protect their PVE operations.
Just that, prove me wrong. And stop trollling about "nullsec drones" please.
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Camios
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:28:00 -
[174] - Quote
Tian Nu wrote:For the beter EvE incursion payout MUST be boosted, the income is way to low whne you see how many ppl lose there pimped ships to much risk for small reward.
Then don't use pimped ships. The first rule in EVE is "don't fly what you can't afford to lose, this is true even in PVE.
Edit: oh fruck u got me. 10/10 |
Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:29:00 -
[175] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Quote from the recent produced CSM minutes:
"Both the CSM and CCP agree on that Incursions are good in terms of gameplay and ISK payout, but the time for adjustments based on player behavior data is at hand"
So rewards are fine.
Gameplay isnt broken, so systems dont need to change.
So I assume the "behaviour" data must refer to AI changes for the predicatability they talk about, which sounds like a good thing on the "funsics" level.
Quote:Focusing the discussion on Incursions, CSM brought up the point that Incursions are unbalanced in that the easier levels of Incursions are more profitable than the more difficult levels GÇô something that CCP has noted as well and is working on adjusting.
I too can quote the CSM minutes. |
Pinaculus
Hole Busters
138
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:30:00 -
[176] - Quote
Andski wrote:yeah hey wardec an alliance that doesn't have any static assets and whose members can just drop corp for the duration, great idea
Yeah, CCP needs to improve wardec mechanics more than anything else. This whole Incursion "event" seems like a perfect test-bed for whatever war mechanics they want to put in. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:30:00 -
[177] - Quote
Andski wrote:yeah hey wardec an alliance that doesn't have any static assets and whose members can just drop corp for the duration, great idea
Unlike someone who admitted to be playing an alternative game altogether in a public channel recently when his alliance members where involved in a large scale fight. Oh, of which the fail goons lost big time.
And despite that the system currently works both ways, with grifers and runners equally abusing the systems consistently for their own ends. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:32:00 -
[178] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Quote from the recent produced CSM minutes:
"Both the CSM and CCP agree on that Incursions are good in terms of gameplay and ISK payout, but the time for adjustments based on player behavior data is at hand"
So rewards are fine.
Gameplay isnt broken, so systems dont need to change.
So I assume the "behaviour" data must refer to AI changes for the predicatability they talk about, which sounds like a good thing on the "funsics" level. Quote:Focusing the discussion on Incursions, CSM brought up the point that Incursions are unbalanced in that the easier levels of Incursions are more profitable than the more difficult levels GÇô something that CCP has noted as well and is working on adjusting. I too can quote the CSM minutes.
And? Thats rebalancing, not changing systems and if rewards are being adjusted overall rather than redistributed then CSM are presumably contradicting themselves? |
The Snowman
xLegion of the dammedx.
23
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:04:00 -
[179] - Quote
Most people running incursions are 0.0 pilots bored of ratting and sanctum running
Incursions have been about for over a year now, so you have to ask why is it that peope are only now starting to complain about it?
Pilots are taking their alts into high-sec to run incursions because its more fun, thats all. This means 0.0 fat-cat alliances are seeing that their monopoly is breaking and their taxes arnt getting the money anymore, and its taken them a whole year to realise it... and thats all it is about
Its not really about the isk, or the low risk, since its just the same in 0.0.
If sanctums and haven sites worked in a similar way to incursion sites, ie, more fun and required a bit more organising instead of mindless grinding then their members wouldnt need to look elsewhere.
This is all really only coming to light now because 0.0 in general is broken, boring and pointless. Whats the point in going to war when it just comes down to who has the most super caps?
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Shad0wsFury
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
49
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:05:00 -
[180] - Quote
Incursions to the best of my knowledge haven't really been iterated on much. Maybe some minor balances, but CCP hasn't really even looked at them for the most part since putting them in the game.
Non-shockingly, CCP did some bad testing on how players can abuse the incursion system to maximize profits (as in, they did no testing whatsoever probably).
I commend bricksquad for bringing balance to the game in CCP's stead.
I also commend CCP for "looking at" incursions for balancing and some much needed changes. Top of that list should be removing cyno jamming effects from 0.0 incursions, if not lowsec incursions too. Cynos are kinda important for this thing called LOGISTICS, and having to spend 5-6 hours clearing an incursion so every-day logistics can take place is pretty damn lame. |
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Tydle Ellecon
Sirus Cybernetics Corp Beacon Light Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:06:00 -
[181] - Quote
So let me get this straight, People are running the mother-ship site, to end incursions (its not ending them early as the monther-ship is the end of it) and this is an issue? Its part of the incursion, its not a private mission or anything like that its a public event. They are just as entitled to finish that site as anyone else is and the guys wanting to farm the incursion longer need to go find another incursion somewhere else.
How is this even greifing they are playing the incursion as intended. They are finishing it up and ending it. I know if the incursion was in my area I would be glad it was over, as I don't run them, so they get in my way with all the nerfs they cause to an area.
If you guys don't like it go run lowsec or 0.0 incursions they are less likely to bother you there. Hell if they will allow it I might even start joining in on the fleets to remove the incursions so they don't disrupt the game play of the rest of us that live in the area your farming.
There are more people in this game then you incursion farmers, and we are the ones sitting in that space not able to run our missions effectively due to your incursion farming. Take your self entitlement and move on already, your no better then the rest of us and deserve no more help or input from ccp then the rest of us do.
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Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
11
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:38:00 -
[182] - Quote
Incursion runners, you have played yourselves.
Go and buy some Tornadoes. Fit them. Find the mothership. Kill the griefers, PROTECT THAT FAT COW FROM WHICH THY SUCKLES! Rinse and repeat while farming away. BUT DAMN IT KEEP THAT MOTHER ALIVE! If anyone complains about you "farming," just hide behind a magic roleplaying justification cloak, "you are herding sansha slaves who are responding to their calls of their mother. Keeping the mothership alive will call out more slaves, which you kill, keeping New Eden safer."
Stop complaining. It just looks bad.
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Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
42
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:42:00 -
[183] - Quote
CCP won't nerf the ******* things, so somebody had to. Good on them. |
Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
5
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:45:00 -
[184] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
Yeah, that's kinda the whole goal. Shame on them for playing the game as intended.
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IsTheOpOver
2
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:46:00 -
[185] - Quote
Xolve wrote:The only thing in this thread that got 'sorted out' is your name.
It wasn't out of place when he founded his corp: minmatarsebiestormale20091022222222 (this is not made up)
He must be laughing that this troll has now become the "official" discussion thread on the topic.
Back on topic... the biggest problem with incursions is that they pay out too much in rewards (compared with any other ISK generating activity) .
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Rafax Haxxer
Hole Busters
0
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:51:00 -
[186] - Quote
Ok, Those of you whom don't know who Darius III is : he only griefs, I remember him camping gates in Jita and WDin haulers and miners just for the QQ tears. He is like the normal griefer....lives in his parents basement, has never had a g/f, mad at all of society, his corp isn't good enough to hold sov. He got blackballed by btl from incursion fleets because he is a griefer / ganker so now he kills moms to end Incursions .....i would be in TS or Vent which ever his corp uses he says "its on bra". have meet his kind in every mmo I have played from Everquest till now, he is home right now in the "Command Center" as he calls the room in his parents basement, laughing at this post, which is fine odds are I'm right. I do agree BTL has to much power over Incursions, thats why I left to do other stuff. Have fun Darius III
ps. g/f are awesome 1 day a long time from now you'll learn that. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
171
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:54:00 -
[187] - Quote
So it seems that the incursion runners found a workaround or loophole to farm ISK by drawing out the incursions as long as possible. Likewise, this was not an intended mechanic, and CCP/CSM are discussing a way to fix the issue.
It is not a nerf.... It's a "fix" to correct an oversight on their part and bring incursions back in line with the original working concept that their were implemented under in the first place.
Hey guys, remember when a group of creative capsuleers found a work-around and were able to get entire incursion fleets massacred by concord through creative use of logistics and GCC flags? Remember when CCP fixed that in order to prevent it from happening as it was simply an oversight on their part and was not working as intended?
Oh yeah, and remember when a whole bunch of players raged at the slightest mention of fixing that workaround that allowed sites to be farmed non stop as isk faucets? It was that time when a whole bunch of self righteous and arrogant forum warriors decided that they were entitled to special privileges allowing them to skirt around the game mechanics with impunity. You know, I think those were the very same people that cried wolf to CCP and prompted the fix to prevent their incursion fleets from being Concorded! Apparently, CCP is only allowed to take action and fix something if it doesn't stand against what THEY WANT.
Oh wait, that's whats going on right now! My mistake. |
SilentSkills
Event.Horizon Flatline.
86
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Posted - 2012.01.22 15:03:00 -
[188] - Quote
Lady Spank wrote:I don't understand how PVE activity is 'griefing'.
it actually is.
Imagine that incursion bears are driving the prices for everything in eve upwards due to inflation.
So a regular pvper with limited income can now hardly afford a PLEX thanks (in part) to the incursion isk inflation.
So bears are griefing said l33t pvpers, occasionally forcing them out of the game. Isn't it ironic |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
526
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Posted - 2012.01.22 15:40:00 -
[189] - Quote
it was a mistake from CCP to make the incursions farmable in the first place.
- penalties are to low, there is no good reason to kick the sansha out of the constellation (no gatecamps, nothing) - HQ rewards are to low - sites do not escalate: if you gain control, easy sites should disappear until only the bos site is left
the current system just invites to farm it. I would be curious if it was intended this way or not - i really hope not.
are we at "kill 1mil wolfs to levelup" again? a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
365
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Posted - 2012.01.22 15:42:00 -
[190] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
While I don't care how anyone runs incursions, I've got to ask, "Isn't killing the mom the original point of incursions"?
I'm pretty sure that the end game of the Incursion is to kill the mom. So, working as intended. These guys aren't even manipulating Incursions. In fact, it is the farmers that are manipulating Incursions. Brick Squad is following the natural progress of the feature.
If they're ruining your fun by killing the mom then perhaps you should get there first? We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
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baltec1
470
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Posted - 2012.01.22 15:48:00 -
[191] - Quote
Rafax Haxxer wrote:Ok, Those of you whom don't know who Darius III is : he only griefs, I remember him camping gates in Jita and WDin haulers and miners just for the QQ tears. He is like the normal griefer....lives in his parents basement, has never had a g/f, mad at all of society, his corp isn't good enough to hold sov. He got blackballed by btl from incursion fleets because he is a griefer / ganker so now he kills moms to end Incursions .....i would be in TS or Vent which ever his corp uses he says "its on bra". have meet his kind in every mmo I have played from Everquest till now, he is home right now in the "Command Center" as he calls the room in his parents basement, laughing at this post, which is fine odds are I'm right. I do agree BTL has to much power over Incursions, thats why I left to do other stuff. Have fun Darius III
ps. g/f are awesome 1 day a long time from now you'll learn that.
I dont think you know what that word means. |
Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:01:00 -
[192] - Quote
Camios wrote:Calisto Fox wrote:Camios wrote:
Hisec PVE should give you less money and more fun. It would be even then.
So highsec incursions are better payouts than their low/null counterparts? I agree, that is unbalanced. On the same note, high sec is more fun, absolutely, but thats due to not being a slave to a null overlord and being used as nothing but pawns to line someody elses pocket and not having the brains to stop for a moment and question it. Null bears deserve their own fate for being mindless drones. Reminds me of the borg in a way lol Yes. Try this: First go in hisec and take part in an incursion fleet, and write down how much you get isk vs hour wise. Then go into lowsec or nullsec and try do the same without being blown up. If you can, you'll get more money, if you cannot you'll get less money afterall, in the sense that it's economically convenient to stay in highsec if you're not part of a corporation that can afford staying in lowsec/0.0 and protect their PVE operations. Just that, prove me wrong. And stop trollling about "nullsec drones" please.
Ignoring low sec for the sake of making my point, isnt the whole point of null sec to own your own space?
I would imagine owning your own systems, and having scouts everywhere ( as i imagine every null corp/alliance would do ) would give ample protection against any "unexpected visitors" to the incursions. Not 100% sure but i presume cyno jammers are in effect even in null sec incursions, so unless your part of a fail corp your going to have 30mins advance warning of any undesirables crashing your null incursions fountains and costing you shineys.
To answer your question though, it really depends on the circumstances.
Personally, i only fly shield logistics, either basi or schimi so my outlay is relatively small compared to say a NM or Mach.
IF i get a fleet right away upon logging in, and IF that fleet is full of shineys who encounter zero competition for sites for a whole 60mins, than yes, i could rack up 120-160m per hour blitzing VG's at approx 3mins per site.
But you guys just presume thats the status quo for incursions. Its not. Its really really not lol
It might take 30-60 mins to find a fleet, that fleet might be a fail fleet consisting of missile boats with **** poor dps so the sites might take 6-7 mins to blitz. Take that into account and im making maybe 50-60m per hour, again, it all depends on drop outs and bio breaks too, and thats only slightly better than L4's.
You guys need to get it out of your heads that VG's are all un contested sites for hours on end and fleets dont fight to run them every minute of everyday a site is up.
The 'possible' rewards for incursions dont exist in reality as fleets, no matter how shiney, will always be up against half a dozen other shiney fleets all vying for the same site.
The realistic isk per hour for high sec incursions probably averages out at about 70m or so give or take. Sure some people will be making upwards of 100m per hour, but then others will be bearly scraping 40m per hour doing the same thing.
You guys are mounting an offensive against a make believe isk per hour ratio. |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
290
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:10:00 -
[193] - Quote
Calisto Fox wrote: Sometimes other people shoot the red crosses faster than we can ABLOO ABLOO
~elite PvE~
Also I don't know if you were aware of this, but nullsec doesn't have magic instagibbing space police stopping people from violencing each other's boats, nor is it feasible to have people doing nothing but watching Local for 5 systems in every direction whenever a few greedy fuckers want to do some hardcore jewing |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4492
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:12:00 -
[194] - Quote
Calisto Fox wrote:The realistic isk per hour for high sec incursions probably averages out at about 70m or so give or take. Sure some people will be making upwards of 100m per hour, but then others will be bearly scraping 40m per hour doing the same thing.
You guys are mounting an offensive against a make believe isk per hour ratio. 40M ISK/h is still a ridiculous ratio. GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Myz Toyou
Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck
30
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:21:00 -
[195] - Quote
Holy moly, this thread contains alot of mad people ( incursion bears ). Let me show you what EVE is all about. |
Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:23:00 -
[196] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Calisto Fox wrote:The realistic isk per hour for high sec incursions probably averages out at about 70m or so give or take. Sure some people will be making upwards of 100m per hour, but then others will be bearly scraping 40m per hour doing the same thing.
You guys are mounting an offensive against a make believe isk per hour ratio. 40M ISK/h is still a ridiculous ratio.
Oh really? So what next on the witch hunt? L4 missions because they pay an easy 40m ph.
If you even play eve and dont top 40m per hour doing pve in high sec than you need to go back to playing wow or my horse and me.
What about exploration? Lets look at that for a moment, due to the incursions situation i decided to explore the forge for 10hrs yesterday.
I found 4 or 5 radars that gave me approx 15m each and 5 GSO's which netted me 3 C-type shield boosters at 350m each and numerous hardeners ranging from 10m each to 50m each. In all i finished my day 1.2b up on when i started.
Theres your 120m per hour in high sec, go cry to CCP and if you cry enough tears maybe they'll buckle under the pressure of bitter null bears and change the mechanics to suit you. Not like it hasnt happened before right?......
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1247
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:24:00 -
[197] - Quote
Myz Toyou wrote:Holy moly, this thread contains alot of mad people ( incursion bears ). Let me show you what EVE is all about.
MrrNO. Eve is about makin ISKIES. ALL THE TIME. BIG AMOUNTS. NOBODY SHOULD HURT ME MAKIN ISKIES. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Xpaulusx
Hosti1e Traff1c Control
21
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:30:00 -
[198] - Quote
On another note, the few times i did incursions, i found it boring as hell, i can't see how players could do for that hours on end. I never bothered again. Yes it is an isk faucet that needs a serious looking over by CCP IMO. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1247
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:32:00 -
[199] - Quote
Rafax Haxxer wrote: ps. g/f are awesome 1 day a long time from now you'll learn that.
I also want to be very clear that I manly man who has lot's of sex all the time, and that is why I spend so much time making the iskies to give my ladiefriends internetsubmarinepixelprezzies. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1627
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:32:00 -
[200] - Quote
Calisto Fox wrote:I found 4 or 5 radars that gave me approx 15m each and 5 GSO's which netted me 3 C-type shield boosters at 350m each and numerous hardeners ranging from 10m each to 50m each. In all i finished my day 1.2b up on when i started.
Theres your 120m per hour in high sec, go cry to CCP and if you cry enough tears maybe they'll buckle under the pressure of bitter null bears and change the mechanics to suit you. Not like it hasnt happened before right?......
Yeah, nobody cares about drops. ISK changes hands in that case, it's not created out of thin air. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4492
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:34:00 -
[201] - Quote
Calisto Fox wrote:Oh really? So what next on the witch hunt? L4 missions because they pay an easy 40m ph. GÇŞand that's the reason they have been a target for requests for nerfs for, oh, the last 4+ years or so, since the risk-vs-reward is so obviously off-kilter. So no, it's actually incursions that are the GÇŁnext itemGÇĽ on the hunt. GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
baltec1
471
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:34:00 -
[202] - Quote
Xpaulusx wrote:On another note, the few times i did incursions, i found it boring as hell, i can't see how players could do for that hours on end. I never bothered again. Yes it is an isk faucet that needs a serious looking over by CCP IMO.
Its done by the same people who run around other MMOs with their max level char with max pimped gear gathering gold they no longer need as there is nothing to spend it on. |
Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:36:00 -
[203] - Quote
Andski wrote:Calisto Fox wrote:I found 4 or 5 radars that gave me approx 15m each and 5 GSO's which netted me 3 C-type shield boosters at 350m each and numerous hardeners ranging from 10m each to 50m each. In all i finished my day 1.2b up on when i started.
Theres your 120m per hour in high sec, go cry to CCP and if you cry enough tears maybe they'll buckle under the pressure of bitter null bears and change the mechanics to suit you. Not like it hasnt happened before right?......
Yeah, nobody cares about drops. ISK changes hands in that case, it's not created out of thin air.
Like moo goo iskies you mean? |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
394
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:37:00 -
[204] - Quote
Calisto Fox wrote:Oh really? So what next on the witch hunt? L4 missions because they pay an easy 40m ph.
did you really miss several years of complaints about the risk vs reward ratio for lvl4s being completely skewed?
For years everybody's favorite complaint was that lvl4s were never intended to be done solo and should be moved to low-sec.
Before Dominion 0.0 dwellers had to have mission-running alts in high-sec to finance their pvp and ever since the CA nerf they have their Incursion alts in high-sec for the same reasons.
Only for a short time between the release of Dominion and the launch of incursions life was good (but during that time pvp sucked due to lag). |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4493
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:39:00 -
[205] - Quote
Calisto Fox wrote:Like moo goo iskies you mean? Correct. Moon goo does not create any ISK.
GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
394
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:39:00 -
[206] - Quote
double post removed |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:40:00 -
[207] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Calisto Fox wrote:Oh really? So what next on the witch hunt? L4 missions because they pay an easy 40m ph. GÇŞand that's the reason they have been a target for requests for nerfs for, oh, the last 4+ years or so, since the risk-vs-reward is so obviously off-kilter. So no, it's actually incursions that are the GÇŁnext itemGÇĽ on the hunt.
Of course bounties account for substantially more of an isk faucet overall than incursions alone. By quite a considerable amount. Interesting then that the best bounties are in null sec who are interested in nerfing incurions instead. In the worst case scenario as some null bears have suggested simply removing the high sec earning altogether from them whilst retaining theirs which have much better earnings anyhow atm.
And you wonder why High sec pilots are worried about these biast motivations? |
gfldex
278
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:42:00 -
[208] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Quote from the recent produced CSM minutes:
"Both the CSM and CCP agree on that Incursions are good in terms of gameplay and ISK payout, but the time for adjustments based on player behavior data is at hand"
So rewards are fine.
Well, no. The linguistic construct "Statement A, but Statement B" is usually used when quality if fine but quantity is not or vice versa. It would be nice if the person who wrote the CSM minutes could clarify what that fairly loose statement actually means. More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4493
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:42:00 -
[209] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Of course bounties account for substantially more of an isk faucet overall than incursions alone. By quite a considerable amount. Oh really? Source? Numbers? GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Oxandrolone
Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck
10
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:43:00 -
[210] - Quote
Damm finishing incursions as they were intended must be puting your isk/ hour throught the floor guys :( |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
518
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:48:00 -
[211] - Quote
CCP Spitfire wrote:Hello everyone,
In the interest of keeping the forum a bit less cluttered, I suggest keeping all feedback on the recent Brick Squad campaign in this thread (its title has been changed accordingly to provide a little extra clarity). I'd like to stress that this is not an attempt to censor the discussion or sweep things under the rug, but rather to maintain General Discussion in a more or less healthy state.
I have already sent the feedback on the whole "turbo-running incursions" situation to our developers and hope they will be able to pitch in here soon. Consolidating the conversation in one thread will allow them to read all the arguments more easily and provide their own thoughts in a single place.
We appreciate the concern of both parties involved and will definitely take all feedback into consideration.
Ninja edit: Please keep in mind that all forum rules are still in effect, and failure to adhere to them may result in warnings and/or bans.
Thats good.
Grumpy Owly wrote:Quote from the recent produced CSM minutes: "Both the CSM and CCP agree on that Incursions are good in terms of gameplay and ISK payout, but the time for adjustments based on player behavior data is at hand"
Much this both quotes.
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Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:50:00 -
[212] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Calisto Fox wrote:Like moo goo iskies you mean? Correct. Moon goo does not create any ISK.
So it's given away free on the marketplace then right?
It doesnt spawn instant isks into your wallet like bounties/incursions do, but it creates moongoo from thin air, which is then sold for iskies to line your overlords pockets.
Moon goo has been hushed up for far too long and you null bears have had it too good with your moon isk printing machines, everytime its been brought up on these forums do you all rally to sweep it under the carpet and justify it.
Maybe its time for us carebears to kick up enough of a stink about the null goo isk faucets? Maybe if we all stamp our feet loud enough and complain at every oppertunity, then CCP might go ahead with the long overdue nerf.
Null tears = Best tears. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
172
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:51:00 -
[213] - Quote
Can we please ban the word "iskies" on the forums? |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:53:00 -
[214] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Of course bounties account for substantially more of an isk faucet overall than incursions alone. By quite a considerable amount. Oh really? Source? Numbers?
Look at the QEN for the last quarter of 2010, it shows how much the isk faucets that bounties contribute.
I'd love to see current figures of course as the values would have likley incresed, but these are the official last records we have. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1627
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:53:00 -
[215] - Quote
Calisto Fox wrote:Tippia wrote:Calisto Fox wrote:Like moo goo iskies you mean? Correct. Moon goo does not create any ISK. So it's given away free on the marketplace then right? It doesnt spawn instant isks into your wallet like bounties/incursions do, but it creates moongoo from thin air, which is then sold for iskies to line your overlords pockets. Moon goo has been hushed up for far too long and you null bears have had it too good with your moon isk printing machines, everytime its been brought up on these forums do you all rally to sweep it under the carpet and justify it. Maybe its time for us carebears to kick up enough of a stink about the null goo isk faucets? Maybe if we all stamp our feet loud enough and complain at every oppertunity, then CCP might go ahead with the long overdue nerf. Null tears = Best tears.
we obviously haven't been campaigning for a tech nerf since ever
but hey that's a fair trade, remove all significant isk faucets from highsec, nerf tech into the ground |
Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:55:00 -
[216] - Quote
----- MORE ANNOUNCEMENTS HERE -----
Grief the Bears channel was unfortunately capped at 50 members. This has now been resolved. Spread the word and join the channel. End the madness!
We will be taking down the highsec incursions today as well and we aim at around 20.00 EVE time. So jump into the channel and stay tuned chaps o7.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4493
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:57:00 -
[217] - Quote
Calisto Fox wrote:So it's given away free on the marketplace then right?
It doesnt spawn instant isks into your wallet like bounties/incursions do, but it creates moongoo from thin air, which is then sold for iskies to line your overlords pockets. GÇŞand that's the key difference: it doesn't create ISK GÇö it actually removes ISK from the economy.
Grumpy Owly wrote:Look at the QEN for the last quarter of 2010, it shows how much the isk faucets bounties contribute. I know how much bounties contribute GÇö you are making claims about incursions, which did not exist back then and for which, as far as I know, no numbers have been released.
So I'm asking you about your source and/or numbers to support your claim. GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1627
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:58:00 -
[218] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Of course bounties account for substantially more of an isk faucet overall than incursions alone. By quite a considerable amount. Oh really? Source? Numbers? Look at the QEN for the last quarter of 2010, it shows how much the isk faucets that bounties contribute. I'd love to see current figures of course as the values would have likley incresed, but these are the official last records we have.
yeah Q4 2010, before incursions entered the game, nice one |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1248
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:58:00 -
[219] - Quote
Calisto Fox wrote:Tippia wrote:Calisto Fox wrote:Like moo goo iskies you mean? Correct. Moon goo does not create any ISK. So it's given away free on the marketplace then right? It doesnt spawn instant isks into your wallet like bounties/incursions do, but it creates moongoo from thin air, which is then sold for iskies to line your overlords pockets. Moon goo has been hushed up for far too long and you null bears have had it too good with your moon isk printing machines, everytime its been brought up on these forums do you all rally to sweep it under the carpet and justify it. Maybe its time for us carebears to kick up enough of a stink about the null goo isk faucets? Maybe if we all stamp our feet loud enough and complain at every oppertunity, then CCP might go ahead with the long overdue nerf. Null tears = Best tears.
ISK Faucet = ISK entering the game
Moons create goo which is sold to other players for isk. No isk is created in this transaction.
Moon Goo (well, Tech) is a high value income source. But it is not an Isk Faucet. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
394
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:05:00 -
[220] - Quote
I don't understand why nobody takes issue with the proposal to increase the number of active incursions...
My view so far always has been that the isk/h earned in incursion ultimately doesn't matter because the number of pilots that can earn ISK running them is hard-capped (at a relatively low number even).
(in comparison lvl4 missions are far more problematic because an unlimited number of pilots can run them at a time)
The CSM pushing towards turning incursions into yet another unlimited resource is what worries me far more than whether you earn 60, 90 or 120m ISK/h running them. |
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Xpaulusx
Hosti1e Traff1c Control
21
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:09:00 -
[221] - Quote
Nerfing Tec Moons, umm no, Alliances go threw great expense, time etc to secure, defend and maintain these moons, its a reward for securing sov as well. bad idea. |
gfldex
278
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:09:00 -
[222] - Quote
Weiland Taur wrote: Go and buy some Tornadoes. Fit them. Find the mothership. Kill the griefers, PROTECT THAT FAT COW FROM WHICH THY SUCKLES!
That does not work. It would provide killrights that would be used to gank those who protect the mom. Incursion runners avoid killright as the plague, they are true bears. Both TDF and BTL are helpless, there is no solution but to pay BR1CK to stop. I personally like that, still got quite a few CONCORD LP left. LP that _used_ to be worth 3000ISK/LP.
More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1248
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:11:00 -
[223] - Quote
Xpaulusx wrote:Nerfing Tec Moons, umm no, Alliances go threw great expense, time etc to secure, defend and maintain these moons, its a reward for securing sov as well. bad idea.
How is Sov related to moon ownership? Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
baltec1
471
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:14:00 -
[224] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Xpaulusx wrote:Nerfing Tec Moons, umm no, Alliances go threw great expense, time etc to secure, defend and maintain these moons, its a reward for securing sov as well. bad idea. How is Sov related to moon ownership?
Lets ask WN that one! |
gfldex
278
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:16:00 -
[225] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Of course bounties account for substantially more of an isk faucet overall than incursions alone. By quite a considerable amount. Oh really? Source? Numbers?
There you go. Just sum it all up for all regions. More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:20:00 -
[226] - Quote
Andski wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Of course bounties account for substantially more of an isk faucet overall than incursions alone. By quite a considerable amount. Oh really? Source? Numbers? Look at the QEN for the last quarter of 2010, it shows how much the isk faucets that bounties contribute. I'd love to see current figures of course as the values would have likley incresed, but these are the official last records we have. yeah Q4 2010, before incursions entered the game, nice one
Thats irrelavant genious as you can still get a good indicator of how much overall was being generated (a magnitude e.g. about 42 Tril / month by the last numbers) and see how substantial it is from it, even though pilot numbers and skills have increased that will likley add to the pot and then any economic factors.
Then look at incursion pilot numbers and relative earnings per hour and compare.
Do it for yourself if you like and see how much you consider the relative earnings are.
Personally, when you consider all the mission running and other activities by the vast majority of the player base it doesnt take much to imagine how much is being generated by comparison.
You want to nerf incursions you prove to the player base that they are the major contributor that needs to be considered over other things. Otherwise focus elsewhere where its needed. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1627
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:21:00 -
[227] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Andski wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Of course bounties account for substantially more of an isk faucet overall than incursions alone. By quite a considerable amount. Oh really? Source? Numbers? Look at the QEN for the last quarter of 2010, it shows how much the isk faucets that bounties contribute. I'd love to see current figures of course as the values would have likley incresed, but these are the official last records we have. yeah Q4 2010, before incursions entered the game, nice one Thats irrelavant genious as you can still get a good indicator of how much overall was being generated (a magnitude e.g. about 42 Tril by the last numbers) and see how substantial it is from it, even though pilot numbers and skills have increased that will likley add to the pot and then any economic factors. Then look at incursion pilot numbers and relative earnings per hour and compare. Do it for yourself if you like and see how much you consider the relative earnings are. Personally, when you consider all the mission running and other activities by the vast majority of the player base it doesnt take much to imagine how much is being generated by comparison. You want to nerf incursions you prove to the player base that they are the major contributor that needs to be considered over other things. Otherwise focus elsewhere where its needed.
somebody's never heard of the anom nerf
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1248
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:30:00 -
[228] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Xpaulusx wrote:Nerfing Tec Moons, umm no, Alliances go threw great expense, time etc to secure, defend and maintain these moons, its a reward for securing sov as well. bad idea. How is Sov related to moon ownership? Lets ask WN that one!
WN lost both at the same time. Correlation != Causative Linkage. Ask PL what Sov has to do with Tech ownership. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4493
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:34:00 -
[229] - Quote
gfldex wrote:There you go. Just sum it all up for all regions. GÇŞwhich says nothing about the actual payout of all those kills, and provides even less information about incursions.
Grumpy Owly wrote:Thats irrelavant genious as you can still get a good indicator of how much overall was being generated (a magnitude e.g. about 42 Tril / month by the last numbers) and see how substantial it is from it, even though pilot numbers and skills have increased that will likley add to the pot and then any economic factors. No, it's not irrelevant, because it still doesn't provide the numbers you claim to have (or, perhaps more accurately, the numbers needed to make your claims).
Quote:Do it for yourself if you like and see how much you consider the relative earnings are. GÇŞor you could just provide them and show your sources, since you are the one making claims based on those numbers.
Quote:Personally, when you consider all the mission running and other activities by the vast majority of the player base it doesnt take much to imagine how much is being generated by comparison. Just one problem: imagination is not a source and cannot be used as a basis for anything. GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
nubile slave
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:41:00 -
[230] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Zosius wrote:I love how goons and co (OP) create new toons to post tears. Good brand marketing, I salute you. Point out the goons
Aren't you a Goon pet?
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:48:00 -
[231] - Quote
Tippia wrote:gfldex wrote:There you go. Just sum it all up for all regions. GÇŞwhich says nothing about the actual payout of all those kills, and provides even less information about incursions. Grumpy Owly wrote:Thats irrelavant genious as you can still get a good indicator of how much overall was being generated (a magnitude e.g. about 42 Tril / month by the last numbers) and see how substantial it is from it, even though pilot numbers and skills have increased that will likley add to the pot and then any economic factors. No, it's not irrelevant, because it still doesn't provide the numbers you claim to have (or, perhaps more accurately, the numbers needed to make your claims). Quote:Do it for yourself if you like and see how much you consider the relative earnings are. GÇŞor you could just provide them and show your sources, since you are the one making claims based on those numbers. Quote:Personally, when you consider all the mission running and other activities by the vast majority of the player base it doesnt take much to imagine how much is being generated by comparison. Just one problem: imagination is not a source and cannot be used as a basis for anything.
Then by the same token can you provide supporting evidence that supports the claim that incurions ARE the main problem over other areas of the game.
I have done a previous exercise with someone else's claimed figures before in a previous thread that demonstrated based on the figures provided what the contribution was.
But unlike your other null slaves I dont jump around to address your whims when you click your fingers.
As the responsibility to support all the claims that they are an issue to begin with should come from those who are asking for things to be nerfed surely.
I'll give you a hand, all you have to do is work out how much the activities generate a month and compare it. Even as a rough guide it should help to indicate if there is any validity to the priorities of isk generating activities. And you even have the advantage of using 2010 figures as your baseline.
What would be useful of course is if we had a more up to date QEN also. Can't understand why CCP is draggin their heels reporting on it. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1248
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:48:00 -
[232] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Just one problem: imagination is not a source and cannot be used as a basis for anything.
Imagination is the source of all my childhood glee, and is the basis for my recent trip to Mars with my pet Tiger. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
98
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:52:00 -
[233] - Quote
Didn't read the entire threadnaught, sorry, but I think there was a decent idea proposed in the summit minutes (or maybe I'm just making stuff up again):
Create milestones that have to be met at various stages before the overall Sansha influence meter can move. For example: several tiers of "bosses" that appear in stages and have to accomplished within a certain time frame. From there the Incursion's progress can increase again, but only if that boss is killed. It would certainly slow stuff down in a less artificial way (like just agreeing to not shoot the moms). We have a blog, it is terrible. How to fix Bounty Hunting |
Havoc Zealot
Advent Chaos Theory KRYSIS.
7
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:55:00 -
[234] - Quote
I actually logged in to reply to this thread.
I support these mom killings...they were meant to be killed and not have the lesser incursions farmed. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4493
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:57:00 -
[235] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Then by the same token can you provide supporting evidence that supports the claim that incurions ARE the main problem over other areas of the game. I'm not making that claim.
Quote:I have done a previous exercise with someone else's claimed figures before in a previous thread that demonstrated based on the figures provided what the contribution was. GÇŞand the result (and source) wasGÇŞ?
Quote:But unlike your other null slaves I dont jump around to address your whims when you click your fingers. What on earth are you on about? GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
P42ALPHA
DEAD-ON
35
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:59:00 -
[236] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:HOLY JESUS!!! I don't think I'll EVER need to refuel my tear drive ever again :D
Seriously:
BEST. TEARS. EVER.
Mad props to all involved :)
EDIT: Think I'm making this my browser home page.
This ^ "All hail Wang ... the little fella in Command. When 'trouble' starts to spread, I'm sure he will rise to the occasion."
Azahni Vah'nos (Best reply ever) |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
341
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:02:00 -
[237] - Quote
Simple fix to end incursions when they should be. Don't spawn the HQ site, just spawn a mom that hotdrops the other sites to defend her minions.
Once she spawns, running the lesser sites becomes a high risk thing to do. Simply have her cyno into whichever incursion site currently has the highest population(or funnier, highest average isk value per ship, since those would be the biggest threat/ones that 0.0 dwellers would go for), and it becomes important to kill her off, since you can't really run sites under that threat.
Still gives the option of one group doing an extended engagement with her so everyone else can farm longer, but who will give up their isk long enough to do something like that? o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1248
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:04:00 -
[238] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Then by the same token can you provide supporting evidence that supports the claim that incurions ARE the main problem over other areas of the game.
I have done a previous exercise with someone else's claimed figures before in a previous thread that demonstrated based on the figures provided what the contribution was.
But unlike your other null slaves I dont jump around to address your whims when you click your fingers.
As the responsibility to support all the claims that they are an issue to begin with should come from those who are asking for things to be nerfed surely.
I'll give you a hand, all you have to do is work out how much the activities generate a month and compare it. Even as a rough guide it should help to indicate if there is any validity to the priorities of isk generating activities. And you even have the advantage of using 2010 figures as your baseline.
What would be useful of course is if we had a more up to date QEN also. Can't understand why CCP is draggin their heels reporting on it.
Onus Probandi. You are making the argument that bounties are a larger Isk faucet than Incursions, therefor you must provide the evidence to back up the claim.
The QEN 2010 figures come before Incursions and before a Massive decrease in the number of people who can earn the highest available incomes in Null. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
174
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:22:00 -
[239] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Then by the same token can you provide supporting evidence that supports the claim that incurions ARE the main problem over other areas of the game. I'm not making that claim. Quote:I have done a previous exercise with someone else's claimed figures before in a previous thread that demonstrated based on the figures provided what the contribution was. GÇŞand the result (and source) wasGÇŞ? Quote:But unlike your other null slaves I dont jump around to address your whims when you click your fingers. What on earth are you on about?
Apparently Tippia, you are a null sec overlord with throngs of slaves following you around and begging for candy. |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
53
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:27:00 -
[240] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:*snip* But unlike your other null slaves I dont jump around to address your whims when you click your fingers. What on earth are you on about? Apparently Tippia, you are a null sec overlord with throngs of slaves following you around and begging for candy. I KNEW IT! |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4496
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:33:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Apparently Tippia, you are a null sec overlord with throngs of slaves following you around and begging for candy. Wow. Great. The things you miss if you don't pay attention.
Could my slaves please show themselves so I know whom to order around? Candy will indeed be provided. Also, could someone please show me what part of nullsec I'm overlord of?
GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
313
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:42:00 -
[242] - Quote
Boo hoo OP. Go back to farming level 4 missions if you don't like other people playing the game. |
baltec1
471
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:44:00 -
[243] - Quote
Tippia wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Apparently Tippia, you are a null sec overlord with throngs of slaves following you around and begging for candy. Wow. Great. The things you miss if you don't pay attention. Could my slaves please show themselves so I know whom to order around? Candy will indeed be provided. Also, could someone please show me what part of nullsec I'm overlord of?
Given the trend it must be goons. |
Ursula LeGuinn
75
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:46:00 -
[244] - Quote
I've always been startled by the ability of certain players to remain civil while arguing with posters who are hilariously underqualified to participate in the debate at hand. "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:47:00 -
[245] - Quote
Here are the issues as I see them.
1. Incursions have caused a player community to develop in high sec. Given the problems CCP has had in creating communities in high sec this is a major accomplishment. The issue is that if people lose their community they won't go do something else, they will stop playing and cancel their accounts.
2. 0.0 corps are community Piranah, starving entities that will devour anything they come in contact with. The isk buy in, for capships, supercaps and other required material, has become so high that a corp from high or low sec cannot afford to move to null. Among other things supercaps are community killers. Once you need supercaps in corp to join a null alliance no none moon holding corp is going to be able to pay to play. As a result to play in null players must abandon their current corp/community and join an established nullsec corp. Also when it comes to community, many null sec corps are complete fail and require a constant influx of new blood.
3. High sec players are very angry that as soon as a feature that allowed for the creation of a high sec community a 0.0 alliance came in and said "no soup for you." Additionally, high sec mechanics render the community powerless to resist. Each wardeccagainst an alliance increase the price. Suicide ganking gives the target kill rights. It seems to the high sec players that null alliances are insisting that all group content must be in null space. Also, experience shows that moving group content to null space has one of two effects. Either nobody runs it or a null alliance nominates a small group to run it for the alliance and the members neither see the isk nor the content (anyone remember static plexes).
4. Plex prices are through the roof. Null sec players are blaming this on incursions. High sec players (many of which have only one account) tend to blame a bad economy constricting plex supply for the problem. (According to market stats in The Forge, sales of Plex have risen since Incursions was announced). I'm not sure what is going on but I tend to blame a bad economy restricting supply of plex more than anything else. There are around 5000 plex sales a day in Jita, there are not enough incursion runners to make a dint in that volume.
5. Null sec players want their anomalies unnerfed so that they can do their isk grinding in their home territory. This would allow them to strengthen their communities. Frankly if moon goo got nerfed into oblivion and anomalies got unnerfed, I think it would be a big win for the entire game. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1251
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:48:00 -
[246] - Quote
Tippia wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Apparently Tippia, you are a null sec overlord with throngs of slaves following you around and begging for candy. Wow. Great. The things you miss if you don't pay attention. Could my slaves please show themselves so I know whom to order around? Candy will indeed be provided. Also, could someone please show me what part of nullsec I'm overlord of?
I want Candy! Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1308
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:51:00 -
[247] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Onus Probandi. You are making the argument that bounties are a larger Isk faucet than Incursions, therefor you must provide the evidence to back up the claim. The QEN 2010 figures come before Incursions and before a Massive decrease in the number of people who can earn the highest available incomes in Null.
I developed an awesome way to prove it.
It is called "I just know it" |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4496
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:52:00 -
[248] - Quote
Ok, I've changed my mind. Because of Ruby here, the candy is cancelled. Instead, there will be severe whippings for all (and I'm being kind here GÇö no punishment is severe enough for what just happened).
GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1251
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:56:00 -
[249] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Ok, I've changed my mind. Because of Ruby here, the candy is cancelled. Instead, there will be severe whippings for all (and I'm being kind here GÇö no punishment is severe enough for what just happened).
Oooh, Whip it Good. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
baltec1
471
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:57:00 -
[250] - Quote
Dammit ruby now we dont get free candy |
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1251
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:58:00 -
[251] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Dammit ruby now we dont get free candy
But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4498
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:02:00 -
[252] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy. I'll direct you to -ş14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time. GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1308
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:03:00 -
[253] - Quote
Tippia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy. I'll direct you to -ş14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time.
whipping |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4498
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:05:00 -
[254] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Tippia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy. I'll direct you to -ş14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time. whipping Those too. GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
174
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:05:00 -
[255] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:Ok, I've changed my mind. Because of Ruby here, the candy is cancelled. Instead, there will be severe whippings for all (and I'm being kind here GÇö no punishment is severe enough for what just happened). Oooh, Whip it Good.
Devo isn't nearly as bad as having to listen to the first song you linked after I had finally scrubbed my mind clean of it many many many years ago.
LOL I had a chipmunks album (yes vinyl) where they covered Whip It. ;) |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1253
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:07:00 -
[256] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:Ok, I've changed my mind. Because of Ruby here, the candy is cancelled. Instead, there will be severe whippings for all (and I'm being kind here GÇö no punishment is severe enough for what just happened). Oooh, Whip it Good. Devo isn't nearly as bad as having to listen to the first song you linked after I had finally scrubbed my mind clean of it many many many years ago. LOL I had a chipmunks album (yes vinyl) where they covered Whip It. ;)
Yeah, but what can you do on a Friday night? Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
baltec1
471
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:08:00 -
[257] - Quote
Tippia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy. I'll direct you to -ş14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time.
Harsh. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4498
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:09:00 -
[258] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy. I'll direct you to -ş14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time. Harsh. Aaron Carter. So yes, harsh, but 100% justified. GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
174
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:14:00 -
[259] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Apparently Tippia, you are a null sec overlord with throngs of slaves following you around and begging for candy. Wow. Great. The things you miss if you don't pay attention. Could my slaves please show themselves so I know whom to order around? Candy will indeed be provided. Also, could someone please show me what part of nullsec I'm overlord of? I want Candy!
I'll see your Candy and raise you a Mika. |
Brumi Viri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:38:00 -
[260] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Here are the issues as I see them.
1. Incursions have caused a player community to develop in high sec. Given the problems CCP has had in creating communities in high sec this is a major accomplishment. The issue is that if people lose their community they won't go do something else, they will stop playing and cancel their accounts.
2. 0.0 corps are community Piranah, starving entities that will devour anything they come in contact with. The isk buy in, for capships, supercaps and other required material, has become so high that a corp from high or low sec cannot afford to move to null. Among other things supercaps are community killers. Once you need supercaps in corp to join a null alliance no none moon holding corp is going to be able to pay to play. As a result to play in null players must abandon their current corp/community and join an established nullsec corp. Also when it comes to community, many null sec corps are complete fail and require a constant influx of new blood.
3. High sec players are very angry that as soon as a feature that allowed for the creation of a high sec community a 0.0 alliance came in and said "no soup for you." Additionally, high sec mechanics render the community powerless to resist. Each wardeccagainst an alliance increase the price. Suicide ganking gives the target kill rights. It seems to the high sec players that null alliances are insisting that all group content must be in null space. Also, experience shows that moving group content to null space has one of two effects. Either nobody runs it or a null alliance nominates a small group to run it for the alliance and the members neither see the isk nor the content (anyone remember static plexes).
4. Plex prices are through the roof. Null sec players are blaming this on incursions. High sec players (many of which have only one account) tend to blame a bad economy constricting plex supply for the problem. (According to market stats in The Forge, sales of Plex have risen since Incursions was announced). I'm not sure what is going on but I tend to blame a bad economy restricting supply of plex more than anything else. There are around 5000 plex sales a day in Jita, there are not enough incursion runners to make a dint in that volume.
5. Null sec players want their anomalies unnerfed so that they can do their isk grinding in their home territory. This would allow them to strengthen their communities. Frankly if moon goo got nerfed into oblivion and anomalies got unnerfed, I think it would be a big win for the entire game.
MY POST WAS LOCKED, I am sad panda. Anyhow:
If incursion runners wanted to make isk like mad men we would go to low sector or null where the payouts are twice as much. CCP Created incursions in high sector, low sector and null. To let Pilots decide how much pvp risk to take.
To allow Griefers to destroy the playing experience in high sector by killing MoM within hours of spawning is going to cost CCP money because customers like me will unsubscribe. I played in null and its not for me, its operation and fleet after fleet of protecting moon goo that I never see a penny of.
<3 My High Sector Incursion Community. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4499
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:46:00 -
[261] - Quote
Brumi Viri wrote:To allow Griefers to destroy the playing experience in high sector by killing MoM within hours of spawning is going to cost CCP money because customers like me will unsubscribe. Ah, the classic GÇŁCCP needs botters to pay the billsGÇĽ defence.
GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
686
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:49:00 -
[262] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:All of this is just a propaganda campaign to have Darius III re-elected to the CSM. I'm voting for him.
Incursion Interdiction is more genius than Ice Interdiction.
Plus, the whole CSM/NDA debacle last summer with Darius. I'm convinced that the Goons framed him up. Mittani really really hates Darius. I wouldn't put it past the "spymaster" to try to engineer getting him kicked from the Council.
The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:50:00 -
[263] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Tres Farmer wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:CeneUJiti wrote:Gathering a fleet and doing a NPC site for sole purpose of annoying and angering everyone? I like how you speak for everyone. As an eve player, I'm aggravated by the absurd amounts of isk spilled into eve's economy via incursions. Which accounts for about 5% or less of the faucets. Have you considered how much for instance normal mission running contributes into the mix? Or all the other isk generating capabilities. Regardless of that inflation isnt an issue according to the recent CSM minutes (about 1%) so any "spilling" into the economy isnt a problem as reported by CCP. *snip* 1% per month.. that's 12% per year.. probably more. A currency is being considered 'stable'* in a window of 1-3% per year.. *) stable would be 0%, but there is some more to it and current real world currencies aren't constructed/designed to work with 0% (for the worse of the planet and all it's inhabitants). @OP: you fail @Br1ck & Co: nice job The 1% is the current inflation value, I assume this is an annual figure not a monthly one. And the fact that CCP reported to the CSM that it wasnt an issue refutes your scare mongering attempt to twist the statistics for personal selfish reasons as opposed to an objective argument. Seems to be an ongoing trend with the griefers however, in that they need to invent reasons. It is a monthly figure according to CSM minutes. so the annual inflation is 1.001^12-1=12.7%
Hence:
Make incursions a low sec only feature. + boosting low sec + keeping risk reward balance
Off Topic: Remove insurance payout from 0.0 and increase bounties and indstrial benefits in 0.0 + defeats where no supers die will actually hurt your wallet + stronger incentives to move to 0.0 + keeps is faucet and sinks balanced + increases the "risk" in 0.0 (at least in PvP)
Besides that i am also for a delayed local in 0.0 so that you actually really need an intel ship and not just someone in a cloaky ship on a safe. And it would make Carebearing in 0.0 actually risky... Right know there is no risk as long as you are not Brain-Afk or stupid. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:04:00 -
[264] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Brumi Viri wrote:To allow Griefers to destroy the playing experience in high sector by killing MoM within hours of spawning is going to cost CCP money because customers like me will unsubscribe. Ah, the classic GÇŁCCP needs botters to pay the billsGÇĽ defence.
Not sure what this has to do with anything. If a bot leaves the game nothing of value is lost. If a player leaves the game he or she takes a bit of their community along with them. The more players that leave the closer we get to a critical mass that will convince the other players in that community that is is also time to leave. People play an MMO for the community.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4499
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:09:00 -
[265] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Not sure what this has to do with anything. In essence:
GÇŁWaah, another player playing the game legitimately is keeping me from exploiting weaknesses in the rule set to milk every last ISK-cent from this feature. Allowing him to do so will make us leave, and you will suffer!!GÇĽ
GÇŞmuch like how various botting proponents have defended the use of bots and decried any methods to halt their botting. GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1253
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:11:00 -
[266] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Apparently Tippia, you are a null sec overlord with throngs of slaves following you around and begging for candy. Wow. Great. The things you miss if you don't pay attention. Could my slaves please show themselves so I know whom to order around? Candy will indeed be provided. Also, could someone please show me what part of nullsec I'm overlord of? I want Candy! I'll see your Candy and raise you a Mika. RubyPorto wrote:Yeah, but what can you do on a Friday night? *dies*
I liked the Mika song.
Bet you love Eggs. They make you strong like Putin Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:19:00 -
[267] - Quote
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
The 1% is the current inflation value, I assume this is an annual figure not a monthly one. And the fact that CCP reported to the CSM that it wasnt an issue refutes your scare mongering attempt to twist the statistics for personal selfish reasons as opposed to an objective argument.
Seems to be an ongoing trend with the griefers however, in that they need to invent reasons.
It is a monthly figure according to CSM minutes. so the annual inflation is 1.001^12-1=12.7%
Hence:
Make incursions a low sec only feature. + boosting low sec + keeping risk reward balance
Off Topic: Remove insurance payout from 0.0 and increase bounties and indstrial benefits in 0.0 + defeats where no supers die will actually hurt your wallet + stronger incentives to move to 0.0 + keeps is faucet and sinks balanced + increases the "risk" in 0.0 (at least in PvP)
Besides that i am also for a delayed local in 0.0 so that you actually really need an intel ship and not just someone in a cloaky ship on a safe. And it would make Carebearing in 0.0 actually risky... Right know there is no risk as long as you are not Brain-Afk or stupid.[/quote]
Yeah move it the low sec, where every single other feature ever put their has died. Moving a feature to low sec is the equivalent of killing it (FW is a special case). The mechanics of low sec favor the pvp aggressor. Gate guns and sec loss mean that organized defenders are at a disadvantage. At the same time aggressor groups (pirates) are advantaged. Low sec mechanics are a prescripted drama of pirate ganks victim. No player with half a brain is going to volunteer to take the role of victim. Face it, WH space is what low sec should have been.
There is no practical difference between moving a feature to low sec and restricting it to null only.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1308
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:21:00 -
[268] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:John Maynard Keynes wrote:
The 1% is the current inflation value, I assume this is an annual figure not a monthly one. And the fact that CCP reported to the CSM that it wasnt an issue refutes your scare mongering attempt to twist the statistics for personal selfish reasons as opposed to an objective argument.
Seems to be an ongoing trend with the griefers however, in that they need to invent reasons.
It is a monthly figure according to CSM minutes. so the annual inflation is 1.001^12-1=12.7% Hence: Make incursions a low sec only feature. + boosting low sec + keeping risk reward balance Off Topic: Remove insurance payout from 0.0 and increase bounties and indstrial benefits in 0.0 + defeats where no supers die will actually hurt your wallet + stronger incentives to move to 0.0 + keeps is faucet and sinks balanced + increases the "risk" in 0.0 (at least in PvP) Besides that i am also for a delayed local in 0.0 so that you actually really need an intel ship and not just someone in a cloaky ship on a safe. And it would make Carebearing in 0.0 actually risky... Right know there is no risk as long as you are not Brain-Afk or stupid.
Yeah move it the low sec, where every single other feature ever put their has died. Moving a feature to low sec is the equivalent of killing it (FW is a special case). The mechanics of low sec favor the pvp aggressor. Gate guns and sec loss mean that organized defenders are at a disadvantage. At the same time aggressor groups (pirates) are advantaged. Low sec mechanics are a prescripted drama of pirate ganks victim. No player with half a brain is going to volunteer to take the role of victim. Face it, WH space is what low sec should have been.
There is no practical difference between moving a feature to low sec and restricting it to null only. [/quote]
just an question regarding only low sec feature... maybe i am dead wrong here.. but dont they have lvl V missions out there ? so boosting lvl Vs reward will have about same outcome. |
Ai Shun
152
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:23:00 -
[269] - Quote
Ace Chaos wrote:There are different people in EVERY MMORPG out there:
PVPers - thoes who only pvp PVEers - thoes who only pve PVP/PVE - thoes who do both pvp and pve
These 3 aspects in a game creates a wide range of different players, and thus invites many different kinds of players to play, if you take out one, you lose a lot of people.
All true, the only problem is EVE is a PvP game in all aspects. From running missions and selling the loot to PI to roaming gangs to gate camps to sitting in a station spinning a ship. They are ALL PvP activities because EVE is a sandbox game built around inherent conflict between all of us.
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Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:29:00 -
[270] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Not sure what this has to do with anything. In essence: GÇŁWaah, another player playing the game legitimately is keeping me from exploiting weaknesses in the rule set to milk every last ISK-cent from this feature. Allowing him to do so will make us leave, and you will suffer!!GÇĽ GÇŞmuch like how various botting proponents have defended the use of bots and decried any methods to halt their botting.
I think the objection is that current incursions are being brought to an end well prior to the time that would reasonably allow everybody who wants to, to participate. It also touches onto one of the few hot button issues in high sec, if griefers can routinely disrupt PvE people are going to flat out cancel their accounts. In most other situation greifing comes as a player is doing something. If you get suicide ganked on the way to Jita that's a bit of play experience. On the other hand Incursion griefing brings up the situation of log in, nothing to do tonight, log out. Instead of playing the game, the griefers are causing a large swath to not play the game. In general people do not pay money to not play a game (contrary to popular opinion most high sec players have one account which they pay for with RL money).
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gfldex
280
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:43:00 -
[271] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:It also touches onto one of the few hot button issues in high sec, if griefers can routinely disrupt PvE people are going to flat out cancel their accounts.
What makes you wonder what those players did before we got Incursions about a year ago.
More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Tak McMonagle
Black Rebel Rifter Club
13
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:51:00 -
[272] - Quote
Incursions are funny. A lot of the people that run them are the same types that are hardcore raiders in other games. They raid to get gear to raid to get gear to.....you get the idea. Incursions are no different, except it's isk for mods/ships for isk for mods/ships. Honestly, Eve isn't a very good place with that sort of player. Most of us that play Eve play it for the ability to do whatever they want. Consequences or no. The raider types can't handle it when someone's fun gets in their way, directly or indirectly.
Also, what's wrong with killing the mom when its there? IMO, CCP should make the incursions harder the longer the mom is spawned and just left there, with no increase in rewards. Seriously, incursions are supposed to be Sansha offensives. Why do they just sit around idling while their **** gets blowed up? |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:56:00 -
[273] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Not sure what this has to do with anything. In essence: GÇŁWaah, another player playing the game legitimately is keeping me from exploiting weaknesses in the rule set to milk every last ISK-cent from this feature. Allowing him to do so will make us leave, and you will suffer!!GÇĽ GÇŞmuch like how various botting proponents have defended the use of bots and decried any methods to halt their botting.
There are two flaws in the incursions feature. The first is a game design flaw. The isk distribution on the current sites are not balanced such as to encourage people to run the harder sites. Keep in mind that any content balanced to be run by groups of players is going to produce some descent isk. This is because humans>NPCs. Yes Vangaurds need their isk output dropped a bit, but probably not as much as you would think.
The second flaw is that the mobility feature. Incursions are designed to move so that no group can assert ownership over the content (unlike the old static plexes). Desire to participate in this feature is large enough that the movement feature became a limiting feature. The work around for this flaw was simply an agreement amongst all concerned not to immediately ended the incursion. This work around is proving unworkable.
Unless you can show that ending an Incursion was met as a limiting feature and not a feature to prevent static ownership it is you who are exploiting a weakness in the ruleset to exploit a loophole.
I suspect a good bit of what is going on here is that inflation + faction fits are eating in Nulls moon goo income. (CCP Nerf goo, buff anoms please). |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:58:00 -
[274] - Quote
gfldex wrote:Jas Dor wrote:It also touches onto one of the few hot button issues in high sec, if griefers can routinely disrupt PvE people are going to flat out cancel their accounts. What makes you wonder what those players did before we got Incursions about a year ago.
Probably played a different game. High Sec isn't exactly the home of the majority of bittervets. |
gfldex
280
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:04:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:High Sec isn't exactly the home of the majority of bittervets.
And there you are wrong. Ship spinning is best done in highsec. The whole point of being a bittervet it to not play the game while being bitter.
More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
529
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:05:00 -
[276] - Quote
Tak McMonagle wrote:Incursions are funny. A lot of the people that run them are the same types that are hardcore raiders in other games. They raid to get gear to raid to get gear to.....you get the idea. Incursions are no different, except it's isk for mods/ships for isk for mods/ships. Honestly, Eve isn't a very good place with that sort of player. Most of us that play Eve play it for the ability to do whatever they want. Consequences or no. The raider types can't handle it when someone's fun gets in their way, directly or indirectly.
i fully agree with you. Question is: should eve have this kind of pve mechanics which *encourage* this kind of gameplay you described? At the end of the day... its not the players fault a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Brumi Viri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:13:00 -
[277] - Quote
Tak McMonagle wrote:Incursions are funny. A lot of the people that run them are the same types that are hardcore raiders in other games. They raid to get gear to raid to get gear to.....you get the idea. Incursions are no different, except it's isk for mods/ships for isk for mods/ships. Honestly, Eve isn't a very good place with that sort of player. Most of us that play Eve play it for the ability to do whatever they want. Consequences or no. The raider types can't handle it when someone's fun gets in their way, directly or indirectly.
Also, what's wrong with killing the mom when its there? IMO, CCP should make the incursions harder the longer the mom is spawned and just left there, with no increase in rewards. Seriously, incursions are supposed to be Sansha offensives. Why do they just sit around idling while their **** gets blowed up?
Raider types can and do handle it.
Point of Reference the Massive Massive Ban List that BTL has. High Sector Incursions have never been safe.
http://www.g4mer.net/blist/index.php
There has been Griefing since day one. But there is a huge difference between dying while participating in an Incursion VS being denied the Incursion environment altogether.
But ruining the weekend play to thousands fo High sector players because a selected few feel that all players should play in the bitter world they live in that is an Incursionless world is not the right approach. I hope CCP give perma bands as they are costing real memberships from the game.
Whenever a high sector player decides he wants his ship to be blown up all he as to do is set auto pilot to the nearest 0.0 gate. |
Tak McMonagle
Black Rebel Rifter Club
15
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:14:00 -
[278] - Quote
Bienator II wrote:Tak McMonagle wrote:Incursions are funny. A lot of the people that run them are the same types that are hardcore raiders in other games. They raid to get gear to raid to get gear to.....you get the idea. Incursions are no different, except it's isk for mods/ships for isk for mods/ships. Honestly, Eve isn't a very good place with that sort of player. Most of us that play Eve play it for the ability to do whatever they want. Consequences or no. The raider types can't handle it when someone's fun gets in their way, directly or indirectly.
i fully agree with you. Question is: should eve have this kind of pve mechanics which *encourage* this kind of gameplay you described? At the end of the day... its not the players fault
I agree. CCP likely didn't realize that people would be farming these things and have the mom spawned in just hours. They probably expected them to last 2-3 days and people would just kill the mom. I guess that's what 18 months of a lack of focus on FiS will do.
I'm not saying incursions suck, I'm just saying that their implementation doesn't appear to be fully thought through. |
Tak McMonagle
Black Rebel Rifter Club
15
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:18:00 -
[279] - Quote
Brumi Viri wrote:Tak McMonagle wrote:Incursions are funny. A lot of the people that run them are the same types that are hardcore raiders in other games. They raid to get gear to raid to get gear to.....you get the idea. Incursions are no different, except it's isk for mods/ships for isk for mods/ships. Honestly, Eve isn't a very good place with that sort of player. Most of us that play Eve play it for the ability to do whatever they want. Consequences or no. The raider types can't handle it when someone's fun gets in their way, directly or indirectly.
Also, what's wrong with killing the mom when its there? IMO, CCP should make the incursions harder the longer the mom is spawned and just left there, with no increase in rewards. Seriously, incursions are supposed to be Sansha offensives. Why do they just sit around idling while their **** gets blowed up? Raider types can and do handle it. Point of Reference the Massive Massive Ban List that BTL has. High Sector Incursions have never been safe. http://www.g4mer.net/blist/index.phpThere has been Griefing since day one. But there is a huge difference between dying while participating in an Incursion VS being denied the Incursion environment altogether.But ruining the weekend play to thousands fo High sector players because a selected few feel that all players should play in the bitter world they live in that is an Incursionless world is not the right approach. I hope CCP give perma bands as they are costing real memberships from the game. Whenever a high sector player decides he wants his ship to be blown up all he as to do is set auto pilot to the nearest 0.0 gate.
Obviously they can't. Look at the tears. Also, there's so much to do in this game. if you play this game just for incursions, you're playing the wrong game. There are so many games out there that provide such content better, and mostly grief free. If having someone interfere with your activities is a problem for you, go play something that doesn't allow such things. |
Brumi Viri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:21:00 -
[280] - Quote
Tak McMonagle wrote:Brumi Viri wrote:Tak McMonagle wrote:Incursions are funny. A lot of the people that run them are the same types that are hardcore raiders in other games. They raid to get gear to raid to get gear to.....you get the idea. Incursions are no different, except it's isk for mods/ships for isk for mods/ships. Honestly, Eve isn't a very good place with that sort of player. Most of us that play Eve play it for the ability to do whatever they want. Consequences or no. The raider types can't handle it when someone's fun gets in their way, directly or indirectly.
Also, what's wrong with killing the mom when its there? IMO, CCP should make the incursions harder the longer the mom is spawned and just left there, with no increase in rewards. Seriously, incursions are supposed to be Sansha offensives. Why do they just sit around idling while their **** gets blowed up? Raider types can and do handle it. Point of Reference the Massive Massive Ban List that BTL has. High Sector Incursions have never been safe. http://www.g4mer.net/blist/index.phpThere has been Griefing since day one. But there is a huge difference between dying while participating in an Incursion VS being denied the Incursion environment altogether.But ruining the weekend play to thousands fo High sector players because a selected few feel that all players should play in the bitter world they live in that is an Incursionless world is not the right approach. I hope CCP give perma bands as they are costing real memberships from the game. Whenever a high sector player decides he wants his ship to be blown up all he as to do is set auto pilot to the nearest 0.0 gate. Obviously they can't. Look at the tears. Also, there's so much to do in this game. if you play this game just for incursions, you're playing the wrong game. There are so many games out there that provide such content better, and mostly grief free. If having someone interfere with your activities is a problem for you, go play something that doesn't allow such things.
The same can be said for a a griefer only game.
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Tak McMonagle
Black Rebel Rifter Club
16
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:23:00 -
[281] - Quote
Brumi Viri wrote:Tak McMonagle wrote:Brumi Viri wrote:Tak McMonagle wrote:Incursions are funny. A lot of the people that run them are the same types that are hardcore raiders in other games. They raid to get gear to raid to get gear to.....you get the idea. Incursions are no different, except it's isk for mods/ships for isk for mods/ships. Honestly, Eve isn't a very good place with that sort of player. Most of us that play Eve play it for the ability to do whatever they want. Consequences or no. The raider types can't handle it when someone's fun gets in their way, directly or indirectly.
Also, what's wrong with killing the mom when its there? IMO, CCP should make the incursions harder the longer the mom is spawned and just left there, with no increase in rewards. Seriously, incursions are supposed to be Sansha offensives. Why do they just sit around idling while their **** gets blowed up? Raider types can and do handle it. Point of Reference the Massive Massive Ban List that BTL has. High Sector Incursions have never been safe. http://www.g4mer.net/blist/index.phpThere has been Griefing since day one. But there is a huge difference between dying while participating in an Incursion VS being denied the Incursion environment altogether.But ruining the weekend play to thousands fo High sector players because a selected few feel that all players should play in the bitter world they live in that is an Incursionless world is not the right approach. I hope CCP give perma bands as they are costing real memberships from the game. Whenever a high sector player decides he wants his ship to be blown up all he as to do is set auto pilot to the nearest 0.0 gate. Obviously they can't. Look at the tears. Also, there's so much to do in this game. if you play this game just for incursions, you're playing the wrong game. There are so many games out there that provide such content better, and mostly grief free. If having someone interfere with your activities is a problem for you, go play something that doesn't allow such things. The same can be said for a a griefer only game.
But the griefers aren't complaining that they can't grief. |
Ai Shun
152
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:35:00 -
[282] - Quote
Tak McMonagle wrote:Obviously they can't. Look at the tears. Also, there's so much to do in this game. if you play this game just for incursions, you're playing the wrong game. There are so many games out there that provide such content better, and mostly grief free. If having someone interfere with your activities is a problem for you, go play something that doesn't allow such things.
+1
I don't understand why people take a risk based, multi-player game and try to create a risk free grind for themselves out of it. But you encounter the mindset in just about any MMO. People come to a conceptual game, then try to recreate the gameplay they had in their previous MMO after having left it.
Instead of, you know, just playing the damn game as it is designed.
And, like it or not EVE is a game of PvP and risk. No matter WHAT you do, once you undock you are implicitly accepting the risk. CCP has advertised it thusly from the very start, the game's advertising is based around it.
And yet, we have Incursion runners that want complete safety and to be left alone.
Why?
Why should somebody be banned for playing the damn game? |
Zubrette
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:37:00 -
[283] - Quote
I am enjoying these tears. So many, so delicious. |
Londor Rogers
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:42:00 -
[284] - Quote
Ok let me get this straight the pvpers are pveing to stop the pvers from pveing but the pvers are trying to pvpthe pvpers to stop them from pveing ?
If only I could go into highsec and help |
Elysia Fotini
Sweatpants Boner Petition Blizzard
0
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:51:00 -
[285] - Quote
tears, tears, tears....... |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
62
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:07:00 -
[286] - Quote
It's quite hilarious that the incursion farmers are so upset for the people actually finishing the incursions like they're supposed to be. I will sit back and laugh at them while I do level 4 missions in my faction fitted Golem, and my alts mine ice as I do the missions... oh... wait... nevermind. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
gfldex
280
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:27:00 -
[287] - Quote
Londor Rogers wrote:Ok let me get this straight the pvpers are pveing to stop the pvers from pveing but the pvers are trying to pvpthe pvpers to stop them from pveing ?
No, no, no, you got that wrong. The PvPer are _PvEing_ to hurt the PvEers. That's what making this whole drama so ingenious!
Both TDF and BTL have the ISK and the numbers to deal with the problem. Yet, all we see is whining and whinging. They can't fight for their ISK and so they don't deserve it. More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
255
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:30:00 -
[288] - Quote
gfldex wrote:Both TDF and BTL have the ISK and the numbers to deal with the problem. QFT
If they were actually a "community" the entire interdiction would be a non-issue. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:37:00 -
[289] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:
+1
I don't understand why people take a risk based, multi-player game and try to create a risk free grind for themselves out of it. But you encounter the mindset in just about any MMO. People come to a conceptual game, then try to recreate the gameplay they had in their previous MMO after having left it.
Hum, I guess you can't understand why people might get together and play D&D every week at a particular time (the PnP Game not the MMO).
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Chevy Hakoke
Shockwave Innovations Stellar Economy Experts
16
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:39:00 -
[290] - Quote
Londor Rogers wrote:Ok let me get this straight the pvpers are pveing to stop the pvers from pveing but the pvers are trying to pvpthe pvpers to stop them from pveing ?
If only I could go into highsec and help
Yes thats about right |
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
686
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:42:00 -
[291] - Quote
gfldex wrote:[quote=Londor Rogers]Both TDF and BTL have the ISK and the numbers to deal with the problem. Yet, all we see is whining and whinging. They can't fight for their ISK and so they don't deserve it. This. +10.
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Ai Shun
153
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:43:00 -
[292] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Hum, I guess you can't understand why people might get together and play D&D every week at a particular time (the PnP Game not the MMO).
My first set was with the blue dice, where you had to white crayon the lettering and I've covered a multitude of pen and paper based games and have been an active GM across (preferrentially) White Wolf's D10 system and occasionally DnD. So yes, I believe I understand why people get together and play a pen and paper game.
But, last time I checked, players don't generally come to a High Fantasy D20 game and try to play Shadowrun / Cyberbunk / World of Darkness.
So actually ... well.
Your post makes no sense to me. I'm sure you were trying to sound smart and witty, but to me it read exactly the opposite. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
686
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:47:00 -
[293] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Hum, I guess you can't understand why people might get together and play D&D every week at a particular time (the PnP Game not the MMO). Hmm. I guess I don't understand why people come to Classic Traveller and then try to play Settlers of Cataan with it. If you want to play Settlers of Cataan, then play it, don't try to shoehorn incompatible rulesets into each other.
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Angel Violette
The Filthy Few Pendulum of Doom
8
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:50:00 -
[294] - Quote
All Incursions will end soon .. this was just a temporary feature for EVE .. too much isk for too many people |
Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:54:00 -
[295] - Quote
no more high sec incursions again. Bring out the buckets! |
Tak McMonagle
Black Rebel Rifter Club
17
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:57:00 -
[296] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Hum, I guess you can't understand why people might get together and play D&D every week at a particular time (the PnP Game not the MMO). Hmm. I guess I don't understand why people come to Classic Traveller and then try to play Settlers of Cataan with it. If you want to play Settlers of Cataan, then play it, don't try to shoehorn incompatible rulesets into each other.
hmmm, I guess you havn't a clue what we're talking about in here.
In case you missed it, we're talking about incursions, and the whining that's happening because two groups of people are playing the game differently. Not DnD and board games. |
Ai Shun
153
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:04:00 -
[297] - Quote
Tak McMonagle wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Hum, I guess you can't understand why people might get together and play D&D every week at a particular time (the PnP Game not the MMO). Hmm. I guess I don't understand why people come to Classic Traveller and then try to play Settlers of Cataan with it. If you want to play Settlers of Cataan, then play it, don't try to shoehorn incompatible rulesets into each other. hmmm, I guess you havn't a clue what we're talking about in here. In case you missed it, we're talking about incursions, and the whining that's happening because two groups of people are playing the game differently. Not DnD and board games.
Uhm ... I should laugh but that would be impolite.
Edit: Maybe I should help educate you. Have a look at the word analogy. No, that is not what the mean man in the Retribution did to your Rifter. It is a comparison, used to illustrate something.
In this instance, my agreement with your point on Incursions resulted in Jas Dor having a brain fart and trying to explain by way of DnD. Both myself and Poetic attempted to explain to Jas that he/she did not understand the point by using the analogy of different rulesets.
You know, what happens when two groups of people are playing the game differently.
I hope that helps. If you need further help, read the Dictionary.com piece. There are some examples. And if that doesn't help, send me an EVE Mail and I'll give you some examples and try to explain it better. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
984
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:05:00 -
[298] - Quote
Well - interdicting all 3 highsec invursions today was certainly fun yet a tad boring - just fix any isk payouts for them (i.e. exactly zero) and they shoudl be fine as a part of NPE. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
Tak McMonagle
Black Rebel Rifter Club
18
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:19:00 -
[299] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Tak McMonagle wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Hum, I guess you can't understand why people might get together and play D&D every week at a particular time (the PnP Game not the MMO). Hmm. I guess I don't understand why people come to Classic Traveller and then try to play Settlers of Cataan with it. If you want to play Settlers of Cataan, then play it, don't try to shoehorn incompatible rulesets into each other. hmmm, I guess you havn't a clue what we're talking about in here. In case you missed it, we're talking about incursions, and the whining that's happening because two groups of people are playing the game differently. Not DnD and board games. Uhm ... I should laugh but that would be impolite. Edit: Maybe I should help educate you. Have a look at the word analogy. No, that is not what the mean man in the Retribution did to your Rifter. It is a comparison, used to illustrate something. In this instance, my agreement with your point on Incursions resulted in Jas Dor having a brain fart and trying to explain by way of DnD. Both myself and Poetic attempted to explain to Jas that he/she did not understand the point by using the analogy of different rulesets. You know, what happens when two groups of people are playing the game differently. I hope that helps. If you need further help, read the Dictionary.com piece. There are some examples. And if that doesn't help, send me an EVE Mail and I'll give you some examples and try to explain it better.
lol, quoted the wrong guy. |
Mussaschi
No Wise Guy's Stellar Economy Experts
3
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:20:00 -
[300] - Quote
as simple as that, ccp invested a lot of money to create "incursions", some other people took the liberty of removing this part of eve for most of the players.
either ccp change the rules, or loose some subscribers, some people say they don't want anyway.
so let's wait and see, who is right |
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:20:00 -
[301] - Quote
****. I think we just managed to kill all three incursions in less than two hours. Sorry incursion runners. Tell CCP to fix your ****. o7
Quote:[23:08:57] Holden Christ > Back to the wormhole for me
Lovely. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1309
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:24:00 -
[302] - Quote
Mussaschi wrote:as simple as that, ccp invested a lot of money to create "incursions", some other people took the liberty of removing this part of eve for most of the players.
either ccp change the rules, or loose some subscribers, some people say they don't want anyway.
so let's wait and see, who is right
Or people who really wants to run them form up create an real corporation, become PvP active and fight for their incursions / wardecing the one who try to cut them out of profit. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
876
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:24:00 -
[303] - Quote
Krissada wrote:****. I think we just managed to kill all three incursions in less than two hours. Sorry incursion runners. Tell CCP to fix your ****. o7
I blame you that the bears won all 3 incursions! Now I have to go to therapy so they can harvest my tears |
Ai Shun
154
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:29:00 -
[304] - Quote
Mussaschi wrote:as simple as that, ccp invested a lot of money to create "incursions", some other people took the liberty of removing this part of eve for most of the players.
either ccp change the rules, or loose some subscribers, some people say they don't want anyway.
so let's wait and see, who is right
I'd be in favour of loosing subscribers like that. Preferably with a catapult.
In seriousness though, why not do something about it? This is a sandbox, isn't it? There are mercenary corps for hire. And it seems that Incursion runners are making a fortune. I'm putting 1 and 1 together and getting 3, so it seems like there is an opportunity already? |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
688
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:31:00 -
[305] - Quote
Mussaschi wrote:so let's wait and see, who is right While you're waiting, you should take up knitting. At least you'll have a lot of new sweaters, mittens and scarves when CCP eventually gets around to telling everyone to "HTFU!"
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Brumi Viri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:33:00 -
[306] - Quote
Krissada wrote:****. I think we just managed to kill all three incursions in less than two hours. Sorry incursion runners. Tell CCP to fix your ****. o7 Quote:[23:08:57] Holden Christ > Back to the wormhole for me Lovely.
Ban one Player for the Good of the Game or loose more subscribers. 1 + 1 = 0 |
Ai Shun
154
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:36:00 -
[307] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Mussaschi wrote:so let's wait and see, who is right While you're waiting, you should take up knitting. At least you'll have a lot of new sweaters, mittens and scarves when CCP eventually gets around to telling everyone to "HTFU!"
And if he's lucky, one of them could rise to be a leader of one of the most loved/reviled Alliances and a member of the CSM! |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
688
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:36:00 -
[308] - Quote
Brumi Viri wrote:Ban one Player for the Good of the Game or loose more subscribers. 1 + 1 = 0 The word is LOSE. Not LOOSE. For f*ck's sake.
To your comment though. Ban someone for what? Playing the game within the rules? Are you a secret fascist? I think you are.
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Spineker
109
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:37:00 -
[309] - Quote
I put my money on the MoM killers getting bored first. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
688
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:38:00 -
[310] - Quote
Spineker wrote:I put my money on the MoM killers getting bored first. As long as the tears and rage flow hard, they will never get bored. The meta-game that comes after killing the MoM is far too enticing for them to stop.
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Jo Hei
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:38:00 -
[311] - Quote
As a game feature to attract new players, Incursions are an excellent piece of work. They fix the most fundamental problem of the new player experience - a lack of safe and social interaction that is fun. Incursions introduce players to the social aspect of EVE gameplay; fleet ops. The barriers to entry for doing incursions are low. They require teamwork, and there is an element of risk (esp if you are new). These are all great things for getting new players to join the EVE universe, allowing corporations and alliances to recruit more bodies and allowing the game universe to thrive.
However, for whatever reason (read: tears), a number of older players dislike the fact that this new game feature presents itself as an attractive activity by promising a safe and secure risk-reward ratio. Most importantly, the feature also presents itself as a direct competitor to traditional fleet operations. The size of HQ/MOM fleets provides a social experience that was previously reserved solely by gang running, and the speed and efficiency of Assault/Vanguard fleets makes them a welcome substitute to endless Plexing/WH games in 00.
In order to preserve the status quo, those parties interested in preventing incursion-running in high security space are closing incursions at the earliest possibility. Incidentally, those very same individuals will happily keep incursions open and on farm in their own local, provided they can shoot at whatever comes their way. This is their method of preserving the status quo and ensuring that they have enough members to run fleet ops by preventing those members from participating in incursion fleets. While this kind of systematic 'tantrum' is part of the sandbox experience and would otherwise seem perfectly acceptable, their attempt to ensure that incursions remain in low/null contradicts the fundamental design goal to have incursions be a new and accessible feature.
The safest and easiest compromise on this matter is incidentally the most straight forward. Incursions need to be altered so that sites cannot be taken down as quickly as they are going down at this point in time. They also need to be modified so that the payout for smaller fleet sizes is either reduced, or so that the difficulty for those sites is increased. An emphasis should be placed on Assault/HQ fleets, as these are complicated to organize and achieve the design goal with more fidelity than the smaller more rag-tag Vanguard fleets. It is also counter-intuitive that Vanguards would pay out more than Assault/HQs. Finally, Incursion spawns for highsec and nullsec should automatically 'rollover' when other incursions close to preserve an even highsec/nullsec ratio. This would effectively prevent the 'griefing' of incursions and, in doing so, allow new players to experience the content and learn about fleet ops.
Hopefully in the future incursions will be a well accepted draw of the EVE experience. I welcome the opportunity to introduce new players to the game, to continue to build our subscriber base, and, ultimately, to have fun.
Thanks for reading and fly safe pilots.
- Jo |
Spineker
109
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:40:00 -
[312] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Spineker wrote:I put my money on the MoM killers getting bored first. As long as the tears and rage flow hard, they will never get bored. The meta-game that comes after killing the MoM is far too enticing for them to stop.
Ahh maybe didnt see the rage ingame. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
688
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Jo Hei wrote:As a game feature to attract new players, Incursions are an excellent piece of work. They fix the most fundamental problem of the new player experience - a lack of safe and social interaction that is fun. Incursions introduce players to the social aspect of EVE gameplay; fleet ops. The barriers to entry for doing incursions are low. They require teamwork, and there is an element of risk (esp if you are new). These are all great things for getting new players to join the EVE universe, allowing corporations and alliances to recruit more bodies and allowing the game universe to thrive. Then drop the reward to 10M ISK per hour, and the problem with the Interdiction goes away. The safe, social aspect is still there. The risk equals the reward.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
688
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:41:00 -
[314] - Quote
Spineker wrote:Ahh maybe didnt see the rage ingame. Join the BTL public channel.
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Spineker
109
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:42:00 -
[315] - Quote
As if mining moon goo is more dangerous than incursions. The elite thing is so pathetic it would be funny if not for the hypocricy. |
Spineker
109
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:43:00 -
[316] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Spineker wrote:Ahh maybe didnt see the rage ingame. Join the BTL public channel.
Haha Oh I bet that would be better than a good movie! |
Jo Hei
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:44:00 -
[317] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote: Then drop the reward to 10M ISK per hour,
Try and be serious for a change; it might do you some good. A mining ops can make more than 10M isk per hour per head, as can basic mission running. So much for a social experience in EVE online, the game where you can fire lasers at rocks together! ******* hoo-ray. |
Ai Shun
155
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:44:00 -
[318] - Quote
Jo Hei wrote:However, for whatever reason (read: tears), a number of older players dislike the fact that this new game feature presents itself as an attractive activity by promising a safe and secure risk-reward ratio.
I don't agree with all you have written; but it is well written and considered. My questions though.
Is it a sensible idea to introduce new players to fleet mechanics through a system that is unbalanced in terms of risk and reward, as this is contrary to the core philosophy of EVE Online? At the stage when the story rolls over and Incursions disappear, what will those players be left with and how difficult will it be for them to adjust to reality of risk within EVE?
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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
550
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:48:00 -
[319] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote: [Join the BTL public channel.
I would but they banned me and 42 of my 53 alts \P/
How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |
NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:48:00 -
[320] - Quote
When I was a kid my dad always said play nice with the other kids. I tried, I really did.
But there was always that kid who wanted to ruin it for the other kids. Fortunately my dad was bigger than his.
I enjoyed my sandbox immensely.
Get a bigger dad :) |
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
688
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:48:00 -
[321] - Quote
Jo Hei wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote: Then drop the reward to 10M ISK per hour,
Try and be serious for a change; it might do you some good. A mining ops can make more than 10M isk per hour per head, as can basic mission running. So much for a social experience in EVE online, the game where you can fire lasers at rocks together! ******* hoo-ray. Okay. The hourly reward from HIGHSEC incursions should be no more than the average hourly reward doing level 4 missions. The hourly reward from doing LOWSEC incursions should be 25% more than HIGHSEC. The reward for doing NULLSEC incursions should be 35% more than HIGHSEC.
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Jo Hei
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:51:00 -
[322] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Jo Hei wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote: Then drop the reward to 10M ISK per hour,
Try and be serious for a change; it might do you some good. A mining ops can make more than 10M isk per hour per head, as can basic mission running. So much for a social experience in EVE online, the game where you can fire lasers at rocks together! ******* hoo-ray. Okay. The hourly reward from HIGHSEC incursions should be no more than the average hourly reward doing level 4 missions. The hourly reward from doing LOWSEC incursions should be 25% more than HIGHSEC. The reward for doing NULLSEC incursions should be 35% more than HIGHSEC.
That's not bad, but doing lv 4 missions at what pace? Fully skilled char in faction BS or newly minted char in T1 BS? |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
688
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:54:00 -
[323] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote: Join the BTL public channel. I would but they banned me and 42 of my 53 alts \P/ Carebears always seem to have the strongest fascist tendencies.
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Jo Hei
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:54:00 -
[324] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Jo Hei wrote:However, for whatever reason (read: tears), a number of older players dislike the fact that this new game feature presents itself as an attractive activity by promising a safe and secure risk-reward ratio. I don't agree with all you have written; but it is well written and considered. My questions though. Is it a sensible idea to introduce new players to fleet mechanics through a system that is unbalanced in terms of risk and reward, as this is contrary to the core philosophy of EVE Online? At the stage when the story rolls over and Incursions disappear, what will those players be left with and how difficult will it be for them to adjust to reality of risk within EVE?
It is sensible to balance the risk reward so that the feature becomes a permanent staple, as opposed to 'disappearing'. Sub in the incursions for any other pirate faction. Far enough into the future there will be some other feature worth quipping about with a similar risk-reward imbalance. The reality of risk within EVE should be what you allow it to be, not always what is forced upon you. |
Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:06:00 -
[325] - Quote
The incursion bears tried to disco us. They managed to pod their own FC.
Quote:http://violent-alternatives.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5362
Well done bears. Well done! |
gfldex
281
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:06:00 -
[326] - Quote
Jo Hei wrote:As a game feature to attract new players, Incursions are an excellent piece of work. They fix the most fundamental problem of the new player experience - a lack of safe and social interaction that is fun. Incursions introduce players to the social aspect of EVE gameplay; fleet ops. The barriers to entry for doing incursions are low.
Year right, all you need is a faction BS or a T3. Very noob friendly. I wonder how I ever thought about staying with EVE in 2004 as there where no Incursions to be seen for years. I'm terribly sorry but that's bullshit. Incursions do cater to those who don't like to lose things, even if it's only virtual things. It caters to those who don't want to worry about other player. Those players might even be noobs. But Incursions are by no means noobfriendly. Go and fine another excuse for your bitter tears.
Quite frankly, all this intense whining makes me wonder how many farmers depend on Incursions to feed their families. More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Jo Hei
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:11:00 -
[327] - Quote
Krissada wrote:The incursion bears tried to disco us. They managed to pod their own FC. Quote:http://violent-alternatives.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5362 Well done bears. Well done!
From what I've witnessed, that Scorpion was not with the bear fleet.
Also, why would bears try and disco you in highsec?
Nice try though. 3/10.
As for you "gfldex", guess what bro? It's 2012, not 2004. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
255
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:16:00 -
[328] - Quote
Jo Hei wrote:Krissada wrote:The incursion bears tried to disco us. They managed to pod their own FC. Quote:http://violent-alternatives.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5362 Well done bears. Well done! From what I've witnessed, that Scorpion was not with the bear fleet. Also, why would bears try and disco you in highsec? Nice try though. 3/10. As for you "gfldex", guess what bro? It's 2012, not 2004. Did the bears try to form a proper fleet at last?
What about all this talk about "most incursion runners are 0.0 alts," wouldn't you think they'd have some idea how to do that properly then? Oh wait. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
Umega
Solis Mensa
46
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:18:00 -
[329] - Quote
Spineker wrote:As if mining moon goo is more dangerous than incursions. The elite thing is so pathetic it would be funny if not for the hypocricy.
Go do it.
If you think moon goo mining isn't more dangerous than highsec Incursions.. go do it. What's stopping you? Perhaps the same reason that is stopping you from doing something in your favor ingame with Incursions? Lack of courage.. self confidence.. don't got a pair.. what's your reason?
As if keeping hundreds to thousands of people happy so they defend territory.. keeping a logistics backbone going for manufacturing.. keeping all them POS's fueled and protected is such an easy thing to manage. You don't have the slighest idea the effort behind moon goo.. cause if you don't do what it takes.. guess what, someone takes it from you. Get it? When will that simple philosphy sink in for some of you.
GO GET WHAT YOU WANT. Other's do.. that makes them successful.
Quote:It is sensible to balance the risk reward so that the feature becomes a permanent staple, as opposed to 'disappearing'. Sub in the incursions for any other pirate faction. Far enough into the future there will be some other feature worth quipping about with a similar risk-reward imbalance. The reality of risk within EVE should be what you allow it to be, not always what is forced upon you.
Incursions should be finished.. instead of farming them while Sansha farms all the civilians they take. From a psychological stand-point.. the people simply farming Sansha and not kicking them out are more mentally demented than the 'griefers' showing up to end it.
The reality of risk within EVE should be what precautions and steps you take to avoid or dampen what could happen to you.. because this is EVE and it is an aspect of the game that people can and will force themselves upon you. Indirectly or directly. Indirectly there could be a strong case made that select groups farming Incursions are 'griefing' others.. forcing aspects upon others that have nothing to do with Incursions at all. The massive amount of LP and deflation to others LP value, the isk faucet, the harm on system residents in effected systems, the cost of PLEX.. what about those forces upon people effected by Incursion farming?
How many coins are one-sided.. I suppose only one with a narrowminded, 2 dimensional mindset. |
gfldex
281
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:19:00 -
[330] - Quote
NaturalBeast wrote:Get a bigger dad :)
Is you dad for hire?
More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
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Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
10
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:22:00 -
[331] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Okay. The hourly reward from HIGHSEC incursions should be no more than the average hourly reward doing level 4 missions.
You are forgetting LVL 4 missions can be done solo in a drake by a 1 month old character. Any incursion requires forming fleets with highly specialised pilots which take years to train.
You just CANNOT do incursions solo, you WILL NOT GET PAID if your fleet have less than a minimum number of pilots.
For all these reasons, incursion rewards MUST BE HIGHER than LVL 4, otherwise all these highly specialised pilots will go back to whatever they were doing solo before incursions. I know I would
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Spineker
111
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:23:00 -
[332] - Quote
Umega wrote:Spineker wrote:As if mining moon goo is more dangerous than incursions. The elite thing is so pathetic it would be funny if not for the hypocricy. Go do it. If you think moon goo mining isn't more dangerous than highsec Incursions.. go do it. What's stopping you? Perhaps the same reason that is stopping you from doing something in your favor ingame with Incursions? Lack of courage.. self confidence.. don't got a pair.. what's your reason?
How do you get a pair? Do you need to do 10 blob runs and some alliance gives you a pair? Or gangbang some lone shuttle at the 0.0 gate Pee v Pee on each other like dogs on a car tire?
How do you know what I do in this game? You don't. I don't run incursions either I just laugh at you Null Epeeners.
Maybe If I DC in a blob I will learn confidence? |
gfldex
281
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:28:00 -
[333] - Quote
Umega wrote:How many coins are one-sided..
This one got 3. There are plenty of players who are forced out of a constellation they want to run missions in or do some mining. Doesn't look like they have a lobby here.
More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
55
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:28:00 -
[334] - Quote
Jo Hei's comment make no sense to me. Seriously what's with this claim that Incursions are for new players? The tutorials must be ridiculous now if newbies are rolling out with Faction Battleships and T3s by the end of it. There's all sorts of other assumptions made as well, "New players need and want safe social interaction", and that "Incursions as designed are fun."
The players that want endless safe unhindered High Sec Incursions do not represent all new players, do not represent all High Sec players, and they don't represent any legitimate form of gaming that ought to be found in any Sandbox MMO built around player conflict. |
Jo Hei
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:36:00 -
[335] - Quote
Xorv wrote:Jo Hei's comment make no sense to me. Seriously what's with this claim that Incursions are for new players? The tutorials must be ridiculous now if newbies are rolling out with Faction Battleships and T3s by the end of it. There's all sorts of other assumptions made as well, "New players need and want safe social interaction", and that "Incursions as designed are fun."
The players that want endless safe unhindered High Sec Incursions do not represent all new players, do not represent all High Sec players, and they don't represent any legitimate form of gaming that ought to be found in any Sandbox MMO built around player conflict.
Most newbies roll up to incursions in Maelstroms/Ravens/Rokhs/Abaddons. Not T3 and Faction BS.
Players dont want an "endless safe unhindered" experience. They want an experience. It has some risk involved; from who you fleet with to how (and what) you fly.
I for one think that this particular "Sandbox MMO built around player conflict" could really use more players to conflict with. That's why I support a game feature which allows new players to learn how to fly, how to make money, and how to deal with risk at an early stage. Eventually they will get down to PVP, one way or another. My advice to you? HTFU. |
Novinya
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:37:00 -
[336] - Quote
I think people killing the mothership like this and ending the incursion 'early' is the perfect example of EVE's open ended sandbox nature where players can take matters into their own hands.
A lot of people were unhappy that the incursions were such ISK faucets, and they decided to do something about it and start closing them down promptly.
I don't see an issue.
You'll get your LP rewards faster, anyway. |
Brumi Viri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:37:00 -
[337] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Brumi Viri wrote:Ban one Player for the Good of the Game or loose more subscribers. 1 + 1 = 0 The word is LOSE. Not LOOSE. For f*ck's sake. To your comment though. Ban someone for what? Playing the game within the rules? Are you a secret fascist? I think you are.
thanks |
Traiori
Silverwing Explorers Unfamiliar Presence
8
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:38:00 -
[338] - Quote
So when my corporation has to put up with having every incursion in the game in our exploration space, Brick Squad will come and tidy them up within 24 hours?
Oh good.
It'll save us having to do without bounties and the like for the week or so they take to despawn out on a hisec island where no one every ventures.
We get kind of fed up of incursions tbth. We don't have 70-80 pilots in the entire region let alone 70-80 pilots willing to run incursions... |
Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:42:00 -
[339] - Quote
No, if the incursion bears aren't running them, they'll probably be left alone. It's just the ones that they intend to farm for endless freshly printed isk that get closed down as intended. |
Brumi Viri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:45:00 -
[340] - Quote
NaturalBeast wrote:When I was a kid my dad always said play nice with the other kids. I tried, I really did.
But there was always that kid who wanted to ruin it for the other kids. Fortunately my dad was bigger than his.
I enjoyed my sandbox immensely.
Get a bigger dad :)
You probably live in a backward country where people can't own guns. |
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Sicex
11
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:45:00 -
[341] - Quote
Spineker wrote:As if mining moon goo is more dangerous than incursions. The elite thing is so pathetic it would be funny if not for the hypocricy.
Umega beat me to it using the exact words I would have... (repeating to hopefully make you understand what type of game this is and why we love it).
Go and moon mine! Those that do it easily didn't start by doing it easily. They fought for the territory, they trained their abilities, then they defend their territory.
Honestly, if Incursions are truly supposed to be end-game material... then by the time you are at the 'end' of EVE you should be at least ready to shoot your guns at someone else. We've been doing it for years, its how New Eden keeps spinning.
Move Incursions to lowsec for the obvious boost to that territory and you also boost classic, true pirate warfare like gatecamps and then maybe even the bears will see less griefing? Surely the Bears wouldn't complain if legitimate pirate tactics were used... Oh, no, they would just begin posting about how we are psychopaths again.
"EVE is PVP," I wish CCP would just change the damn game motto to this so we would stop having to educate all newcomers and WOW raiders. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
208
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:52:00 -
[342] - Quote
Such wonderful willing-victim carebear tears...
...Keep 'em coming, my salva-Vigil's windscreen has never been so clean! I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Krom Thomson
Jumpbridg KnightRaven Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:00:00 -
[343] - Quote
Dont you guys get tired of whinning about a game........ i'm only running incusions till i have the sp to join a null sec corp and effectivly live in null sec.
and btw yes i do pay for my account off the isk i make in the incusions and i'll put isk down that some of you do to! so stop bitching and rememer it a god damb game! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
154
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:11:00 -
[344] - Quote
Jo Hei wrote:As a game feature to attract new players, Incursions are an excellent piece of work. They fix the most fundamental problem of the new player experience - a lack of safe and social interaction that is fun. Incursions introduce players to the social aspect of EVE gameplay; fleet ops. The barriers to entry for doing incursions are low. They require teamwork, and there is an element of risk (esp if you are new). These are all great things for getting new players to join the EVE universe, allowing corporations and alliances to recruit more bodies and allowing the game universe to thrive.
Now let's compare your text with this:
Fearless M0F0 wrote: ... Any incursion requires forming fleets with highly specialised pilots which take years to train.
Here's the catch, incursions *should* be a game feature to attract new players but the incursion elitist overlords found out they could seize them and make them their personal brothel.
The new players don't even get invited. Those with 3B ships that take a year to train do.
The oh so bad griefers are also disrupting the incursion overlords and THEY are inviting newer players. The fun result is that the oh so bad griefers are helping new players to PvE more than the elitist PvEers who instead leave them out or out-compete them.
Jo Hei wrote: Most newbies roll up to incursions in Maelstroms/Ravens/Rokhs/Abaddons. Not T3 and Faction BS.
Ever tried flying an incursion capable BS? Even a Mael / Raven etc. involves extensive training in many, many prerequisites. It's certainly not a newbie thing. Nor a newbie got 150M to risk.
Sicex wrote: "EVE is PVP," I wish CCP would just change the damn game motto to this so we would stop having to educate all newcomers and WOW raiders.
No, EvE is what you make of it. Putting a label on it would immediately give it a "theme", a "purpose" and therefore make it a theme park exactly like the other crappy MMOs.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
689
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:12:00 -
[345] - Quote
Fearless M0F0 wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Okay. The hourly reward from HIGHSEC incursions should be no more than the average hourly reward doing level 4 missions.
You are forgetting LVL 4 missions can be done solo in a drake by a 1 month old character. Any incursion requires forming fleets with highly specialised pilots which take years to train. You just CANNOT do incursions solo, you WILL NOT GET PAID if your fleet have less than a minimum number of pilots. I'm not forgetting anything. And the reward would be per person. So if some longterm char with a faction BS can earn 75M ISK per hour soloing lvl 4 missions, then a fleet of experienced dudes running an incursion should earn 75M ISK per hour each.
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nubile slave
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:15:00 -
[346] - Quote
Lots of tears about "Inequality" in a game......Just not sure who's tears are sadder....
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Ursula LeGuinn
75
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:24:00 -
[347] - Quote
Jo Hei wrote:Most newbies roll up to incursions in Maelstroms/Ravens/Rokhs/Abaddons. Not T3 and Faction BS.
Oh, is that all? How accommodating.
Jo Hei wrote:I for one think that this particular "Sandbox MMO built around player conflict" could really use more players to conflict with.
I for one think that you (among others) are using concepts like "more players" and "new players" and "community" as sympathy shields to protect your agenda, namely the ability to farm low-risk Incursions perpetually without interference from other players, even with CONCORD at hand to prevent any serious violence.
Jo Hei wrote:That's why I support a game feature which allows new players to learn how to fly, how to make money, and how to deal with risk at an early stage. Eventually they will get down to PVP, one way or another.
Those lessons can be learned perfectly well regardless of the Sansha mothership being killed ASAP or logistics cruisers being jammed. In fact, I'd conjecture that being interfered with by other players early on is much better preparation for an eventual career in PvP.
Furthermore, those lessons can be learned without Incursions, and indeed were learned before Incursions. If Incursions are really about learning to play the game, why do you object to the "defend your assets from other players" portion of the experience? "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |
pheliac
NeoStar Research
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:31:00 -
[348] - Quote
MadMuppet wrote:
What is the complaint about? A subjective self-projected view of how things should be to a player with a lack of view on the big picture.
the same applies to what krissada and darius III are doing. your point is null. |
Ninavask
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
8
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:49:00 -
[349] - Quote
I'm a bear... but even i'm enjoying the tears. Brick squad = win |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:55:00 -
[350] - Quote
Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.
BTW I brought up D&D to point out that people like to get together for scheduled gaming events. |
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Umega
Solis Mensa
46
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:05:00 -
[351] - Quote
Spineker wrote:Umega wrote:Spineker wrote:As if mining moon goo is more dangerous than incursions. The elite thing is so pathetic it would be funny if not for the hypocricy. Go do it. If you think moon goo mining isn't more dangerous than highsec Incursions.. go do it. What's stopping you? Perhaps the same reason that is stopping you from doing something in your favor ingame with Incursions? Lack of courage.. self confidence.. don't got a pair.. what's your reason? How do you get a pair? Do you need to do 10 blob runs and some alliance gives you a pair? Or gangbang some lone shuttle at the 0.0 gate Pee v Pee on each other like dogs on a car tire? How do you know what I do in this game? You don't. I don't run incursions either I just laugh at you Null Epeeners. Maybe If I DC in a blob I will learn confidence?
Quit peddling around in a circle like a circus clown, asking for people to look at you to see how silly and irrelevent you are behind a mask.
Back up your own quote with some a reasonable statement. Explain exactly how and why you believe moon mining is equavilent or less dangerous than Incursion running for Isk. What is more 'leet'.. having multi-billion battleships and crying when they are blown up or rendered 'useless' for npc farming.. or throwing ships at other players ships to defend or conquer space and/or ideals? Stereotypes tend to exist for a reason.
Now backup your own quote.. or be a lil ***** and back-peddle out of it. Choice is yours, spot light on.. what are you going to do?
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Ai Shun
157
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:07:00 -
[352] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.
Or they might be off watching a football game. Or enjoying a bbq with their families. Or having sex. Or engaging in some other activity that does not involve grinding an incursion.
But hey, online gaming worlds are what dreams are made of and it seems Klaasvakie has been visiting you.
Jas Dor wrote:BTW I brought up D&D to point out that people like to get together for scheduled gaming events.
And? |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:16:00 -
[353] - Quote
Well we're down under 31,000 at 8 PM on a Sunday. At this point we're beginning to see the knock on effects of drop in player participation. I know I just logged off two market alts as volume is way off right now. Speaking of better things to do. . .
Hey CCP anything that kills your players online numbers like this is a serious fing problem. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:17:00 -
[354] - Quote
double post |
Ai Shun
157
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:21:00 -
[355] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Well we're down under 31,000 at 8 PM on a Sunday.
It is 3:18 pm on Monday here
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
175
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:26:00 -
[356] - Quote
Brumi Viri wrote:Tak McMonagle wrote:Incursions are funny. A lot of the people that run them are the same types that are hardcore raiders in other games. They raid to get gear to raid to get gear to.....you get the idea. Incursions are no different, except it's isk for mods/ships for isk for mods/ships. Honestly, Eve isn't a very good place with that sort of player. Most of us that play Eve play it for the ability to do whatever they want. Consequences or no. The raider types can't handle it when someone's fun gets in their way, directly or indirectly.
Also, what's wrong with killing the mom when its there? IMO, CCP should make the incursions harder the longer the mom is spawned and just left there, with no increase in rewards. Seriously, incursions are supposed to be Sansha offensives. Why do they just sit around idling while their **** gets blowed up? Raider types can and do handle it. Point of Reference the Massive Massive Ban List that BTL has. High Sector Incursions have never been safe. http://www.g4mer.net/blist/index.phpThere has been Griefing since day one. But there is a huge difference between dying while participating in an Incursion VS being denied the Incursion environment altogether.But ruining the weekend play to thousands fo High sector players because a selected few feel that all players should play in the bitter world they live in that is an Incursionless world is not the right approach. I hope CCP give perma bands as they are costing real memberships from the game. Whenever a high sector player decides he wants his ship to be blown up all he as to do is set auto pilot to the nearest 0.0 gate.
LOL A lot of the people that are on that list have reasons listed as : Starting or posting in "griefer" threads on the forums... And not actually doing any griefing in-game. |
Kartoone
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:36:00 -
[357] - Quote
I run Incursions to fund my PVP habit...
I think Ive made 700 mill running Incursions... which is more than enough to fund my PVP addiction.
What Brick is doing is Fukked up! PPL should be able to make isk with the tools CCP has provided. |
Ursula LeGuinn
76
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:39:00 -
[358] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Well we're down under 31,000 at 8 PM on a Sunday.
These scare tactics aren't going to work.
Everyone is aware that certain people are mad because they can't farm Incursions 23.5/7 without interference right now. These are the very same people who laughed at what's-her-face when she started that thread and chat channel a while back, exclaiming in ominous tones that anyone who dared interfere with highsec Incursions would be wardecced out of existence.
Begging your pardon, but why have Incursion runners skipped the "you better not mess with us" approach and skipped directly to starting mass complaint threads in EVE General Discussion, complete with "I'm quitting," "look how many of us are quitting," and "CCP, make them stop hurting us"? "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |
Spineker
113
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:39:00 -
[359] - Quote
They will get bored Kartoone they always do or fall apart. |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
54
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:40:00 -
[360] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.
BTW I brought up D&D to point out that people like to get together for scheduled gaming events. Mate, you should check those figures again, looks pretty healthy, considering what CCP wnet through last 6-9 months.. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility * Where do you make out those -5k players?
*) Chribba does draw them 'backwards'.. most recent activity is most left in all of his graphs
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Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:52:00 -
[361] - Quote
Tres Farmer wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.
BTW I brought up D&D to point out that people like to get together for scheduled gaming events. Mate, you should check those figures again, looks pretty healthy, considering what CCP wnet through last 6-9 months.. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility *Where do you make out those -5k players? *) Chribba does draw them 'backwards'.. most recent activity is most left in all of his graphs
Quote: Currently online: 30,138 Max today: 50,367
CCP had a very good day, then they didn't. |
gfldex
282
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:58:00 -
[362] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Well we're down under 31,000 at 8 PM on a Sunday. At this point we're beginning to see the knock on effects of drop in player participation. I know I just logged off two market alts as volume is way off right now. Speaking of better things to do. . .
Hey CCP anything that kills your players online numbers like this is a serious fing problem.
We used to have 10000 players more online at the end of 2010. Incursions was released at the end of 2010, since then the numbers dropped. Something went wrong and CCP really should look into the cause. Might it even be that players don't have to be online anymore because they can spend much less time with making ISK? The long term player base used to stay for the PvP. Neither Incrusions nor Incarna did any good in that regard. More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:59:00 -
[363] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:CCP had a very good day, then they didn't.
The Sun was having a great day lighting up Europe, then it wasn't. |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
55
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:03:00 -
[364] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Tres Farmer wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.
BTW I brought up D&D to point out that people like to get together for scheduled gaming events. Mate, you should check those figures again, looks pretty healthy, considering what CCP wnet through last 6-9 months.. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility *Where do you make out those -5k players? *) Chribba does draw them 'backwards'.. most recent activity is most left in all of his graphs Quote:Currently online: 30,138 Max today: 50,367 CCP had a very good day, then they didn't. Hm.. as I haven't got any pictures of the last Weekend/Sunday stats you might be right.. the downward slope is a bit steeper then on Saturday. One could argue though, that this is partly because it's a Sunday.. some parts of the playerbase obviously must have a job that starts on Monday morning... |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
264
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:05:00 -
[365] - Quote
gfldex wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Well we're down under 31,000 at 8 PM on a Sunday. At this point we're beginning to see the knock on effects of drop in player participation. I know I just logged off two market alts as volume is way off right now. Speaking of better things to do. . .
Hey CCP anything that kills your players online numbers like this is a serious fing problem. We used to have 10000 players more online at the end of 2010. Incursions was released at the end of 2010, since then the numbers dropped. Something went wrong and CCP really should look into the cause. Might it even be that players don't have to be online anymore because they can spend much less time with making ISK? The long term player base used to stay for the PvP. Neither Incrusions nor Incarna did any good in that regard.
If you actually meant 100K players online, you must live in the Red Universe where EVE enjoys 15 Million active player accounts. Otherwise 10K is FAR less than 31K
31K online on a Sunday night (US time) is actually more active than it has been in a while.
FFS at least use pull some numbers out of your arse that make sense in this universe.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
55
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:08:00 -
[366] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:gfldex wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Well we're down under 31,000 at 8 PM on a Sunday. At this point we're beginning to see the knock on effects of drop in player participation. I know I just logged off two market alts as volume is way off right now. Speaking of better things to do. . .
Hey CCP anything that kills your players online numbers like this is a serious fing problem. We used to have 10,000 players more online at the end of 2010. Incursions was released at the end of 2010, since then the numbers dropped. Something went wrong and CCP really should look into the cause. Might it even be that players don't have to be online anymore because they can spend much less time with making ISK? The long term player base used to stay for the PvP. Neither Incrusions nor Incarna did any good in that regard. If you actually meant 100K players online, you must live in the Red Universe where EVE enjoys 15 Million active player accounts. Otherwise 10K is FAR less than 31K 31K online on a Sunday night (US time) is actually more active than it has been in a while. FFS at least use pull some numbers out of your arse that make sense in this universe. Fixed his post, to make it easier for you (comma for 1,000s and underlined the important part).
Not your night/day Doc, huh? Go get some sleep |
gfldex
282
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:12:00 -
[367] - Quote
Tres Farmer wrote:Fixed his post, to make it easier for you (comma for 1,000s and underlined the important part).
tyvm
More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
264
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:14:00 -
[368] - Quote
Tres Farmer wrote:Doc Fury wrote:gfldex wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Well we're down under 31,000 at 8 PM on a Sunday. At this point we're beginning to see the knock on effects of drop in player participation. I know I just logged off two market alts as volume is way off right now. Speaking of better things to do. . .
Hey CCP anything that kills your players online numbers like this is a serious fing problem. We used to have 10.000 players more online at the end of 2010. Incursions was released at the end of 2010, since then the numbers dropped. Something went wrong and CCP really should look into the cause. Might it even be that players don't have to be online anymore because they can spend much less time with making ISK? The long term player base used to stay for the PvP. Neither Incrusions nor Incarna did any good in that regard. If you actually meant 100K players online, you must live in the Red Universe where EVE enjoys 15 Million active player accounts. Otherwise 10K is FAR less than 31K 31K online on a Sunday night (US time) is actually more active than it has been in a while. FFS at least use pull some numbers out of your arse that make sense in this universe. Fixed his post, to make it easier for you. (point for 1.000s and underlined the important part) Not your night/day Doc, huh? Go get some sleep
Yeah, my reading comp skills are obviously going to hell.. Sleep is probably a good idea.
Carry on then and disregard. Two shots of rum and off to bed.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp
274
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:17:00 -
[369] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong Abusing a broken system gj
It's only 'broken' because you can't farm the ever loving heck out of them. I suggest you find another ISK faucet. I have it on good authority there are other ways besides Incursions to make ISK and of course be social. Go find a few. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |
Zubrette
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
2
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:24:00 -
[370] - Quote
Incursions are working as intended. If you think CCP isn't cheering the griefers on I don't think you understand the nature of EVE Online. |
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Spineker
113
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:30:00 -
[371] - Quote
I seriously doubt they are cheering or otherwise. Is a business not a football game and they have to balance for all players.
Plus in a few days it will be over and people will go back to whatever. |
Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:51:00 -
[372] - Quote
Spineker wrote:I seriously doubt they are cheering or otherwise. Is a business not a football game and they have to balance for all players.
Plus in a few days it will be over and people will go back to whatever.
You assume that by "cheering" they're cheering for one side or the other rather than cheering about players driving the content, something you'd want to happen in a sandbox game. I would like to see them take pride in their creation in that manner. |
Sicex
12
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:53:00 -
[373] - Quote
Spineker wrote:I seriously doubt they are cheering or otherwise. Is a business not a football game and they have to balance for all players.
Plus in a few days it will be over and people will go back to whatever.
I hope you're right just you can smugly sit back and fold your arms and say "haHA!" as you mindlessly farm Incursion content so that you can generate ISK to farm Incursions better. |
Spineker
113
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:57:00 -
[374] - Quote
Hey dummy I never run incursion. Does your Epeen feel bigger today? |
Spineker
113
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:58:00 -
[375] - Quote
Lysaeus wrote:Spineker wrote:I seriously doubt they are cheering or otherwise. Is a business not a football game and they have to balance for all players.
Plus in a few days it will be over and people will go back to whatever. You assume that by "cheering" they're cheering for one side or the other rather than cheering about players driving the content, something you'd want to happen in a sandbox game. I would like to see them take pride in their creation in that manner.
People say sandbox as if they know what it means. |
Emma Swift
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 04:00:00 -
[376] - Quote
Just make the security of all systems affected by an incursion null o.o -(dangerous) and make rewards for hi, low and null =
make it fun ffs ! |
Sicex
12
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Posted - 2012.01.23 04:00:00 -
[377] - Quote
Sorry, I meant everyone else that you are for whatever reason defending?
Wouldn't you want an ISK faucet with little risk closed or tightened? Why does it feel like I'm trying to convince donkeys its okay to give some of their money away to help other people out? |
Spineker
113
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Posted - 2012.01.23 04:01:00 -
[378] - Quote
Emma Swift wrote:Just make the security of all systems affected by an incursion null o.o -(dangerous) and make rewards for hi, low and null =
make it fun ffs !
No you realize there are other people playing who don't give a damn about Null sec. That don't have anything to do with incursions. |
Spineker
113
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Posted - 2012.01.23 04:08:00 -
[379] - Quote
Make incursion Vanguards etc not respawn but when the MOM is dead they respawn in the next hour or so in some other system etc. Not difficult they can pick up their fleet and move on and that way people who don't care about Epeens or Incursion fleets can go about their business without being locked down for days while incursions are farmed. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
877
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Posted - 2012.01.23 04:12:00 -
[380] - Quote
Spineker wrote:Make incursion Vanguards etc not respawn but when the MOM is dead they respawn in the next hour or so in some other system etc. Not difficult they can pick up their fleet and move on and that way people who don't care about Epeens or Incursion fleets can go about their business without being locked down for days while incursions are farmed.
Or make it a week until an incursion respawns, that way the tears will be enough that I can go white water rafting |
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Pollo Rico
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.01.23 04:25:00 -
[381] - Quote
You don't see Pollo complaining that he cannot wear Pink Princess Tutu in captain quarters. Pollo approves of Bricksquad. Pollo approves of you going back in your shiny machariel and do level 4 missions or go play WOW ya panzies. Pollo approves of that. http://tinyurl.com/Pollo-Approves |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
55
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Posted - 2012.01.23 04:33:00 -
[382] - Quote
Emma Swift wrote:Just make the security of all systems affected by an incursion null o.o -(dangerous) and make rewards for hi, low and null =
make it fun ffs ! fun for who?
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Ronk Cho Fat
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 04:34:00 -
[383] - Quote
Tres Farmer wrote:Emma Swift wrote:Just make the security of all systems affected by an incursion null o.o -(dangerous) and make rewards for hi, low and null =
make it fun ffs ! fun for who?
me becaues i shoot you, ofc |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
878
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Posted - 2012.01.23 04:43:00 -
[384] - Quote
Pollo Rico wrote:You don't see Pollo complaining that he cannot wear Pink Princess Tutu in captain quarters. Pollo approves of Bricksquad. Pollo approves of you going back in your shiny machariel and do level 4 missions or go play WOW ya panzies. Pollo approves of that.
And we all approve of Pollo. Pollo should come on an interdiction |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1255
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Posted - 2012.01.23 05:14:00 -
[385] - Quote
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Pollo Rico wrote:You don't see Pollo complaining that he cannot wear Pink Princess Tutu in captain quarters. Pollo approves of Bricksquad. Pollo approves of you going back in your shiny machariel and do level 4 missions or go play WOW ya panzies. Pollo approves of that. And we all approve of Pollo. Pollo should come on an interdiction
I also like Polio. Polio makes me fall to the floor.... laughing. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Samantha Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.01.23 06:07:00 -
[386] - Quote
Mom down! Mom down! Call the Wahmbulance! |
Callous Jade
Narcissistic Ventures
14
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Posted - 2012.01.23 06:34:00 -
[387] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Tres Farmer wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.
BTW I brought up D&D to point out that people like to get together for scheduled gaming events. Mate, you should check those figures again, looks pretty healthy, considering what CCP wnet through last 6-9 months.. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility *Where do you make out those -5k players? *) Chribba does draw them 'backwards'.. most recent activity is most left in all of his graphs Quote: Currently online: 30,138 Max today: 50,367
CCP had a very good day, then they didn't.
Congratulations, I think youve really stumbled onto something here! Wait a second...nope that happens every sunday night because people have jobs you moron. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4505
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Posted - 2012.01.23 07:25:00 -
[388] - Quote
PCUs for the last six months. So yeah, looking better. GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Sicex
12
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Posted - 2012.01.23 07:36:00 -
[389] - Quote
Callous Jade wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Tres Farmer wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.
BTW I brought up D&D to point out that people like to get together for scheduled gaming events. Mate, you should check those figures again, looks pretty healthy, considering what CCP wnet through last 6-9 months.. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility *Where do you make out those -5k players? *) Chribba does draw them 'backwards'.. most recent activity is most left in all of his graphs Quote: Currently online: 30,138 Max today: 50,367
CCP had a very good day, then they didn't. Congratulations, I think youve really stumbled onto something here! Wait a second...nope that happens every sunday night because people have jobs you moron.
OMG! Current server pop is down to 21k! What have you done CCP??? |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
344
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Posted - 2012.01.23 09:01:00 -
[390] - Quote
Sicex wrote:Callous Jade wrote: Congratulations, I think youve really stumbled onto something here! Wait a second...nope that happens every sunday night because people have jobs you moron.
OMG! Current server pop is down to 21k! What have you done CCP??? THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!
I bet it will be about 12-13k after downtime too... thats truly a terrible number of logged in users....
ohwait o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
176
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Posted - 2012.01.23 09:12:00 -
[391] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Sicex wrote:Callous Jade wrote: Congratulations, I think youve really stumbled onto something here! Wait a second...nope that happens every sunday night because people have jobs you moron.
OMG! Current server pop is down to 21k! What have you done CCP??? THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! I bet it will be about 12-13k after downtime too... thats truly a terrible number of logged in users.... ohwait
Yeah and just wait until downtime itself! I bet even less people will be logged in then! Seeing as they are all so mad about incursions. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1258
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Posted - 2012.01.23 09:16:00 -
[392] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Sicex wrote:Callous Jade wrote: Congratulations, I think youve really stumbled onto something here! Wait a second...nope that happens every sunday night because people have jobs you moron.
OMG! Current server pop is down to 21k! What have you done CCP??? THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! I bet it will be about 12-13k after downtime too... thats truly a terrible number of logged in users.... ohwait Yeah and just wait until downtime itself! I bet even less people will be logged in then! Seeing as they are all so mad about incursions.
Yeah, I always see a notable decline in players around ~11 AM, UTC as well. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Elistea
G U N G N I R Y G G D R A S I L
43
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Posted - 2012.01.23 09:36:00 -
[393] - Quote
While it's entertaining to read this i must agree that Prick Squad's doing is completely ruining important feature of this game and gameplay of couple of thousands players.
Yes i am running incursions now and than to finance my PVP endavours.
I also agree that incursions should be fixed so they cant be ended prematurely and ALSO rewards should be a bit adjusted.
In my opinion most appealing aspect of incursions is when couple of total strangers work together for few hours towards common goal. Everywhere else in EVE they would just blow each other up.
I think this feature is worth fixing/saving. |
Elisha Starkiller
Viziam Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.01.23 10:00:00 -
[394] - Quote
The mission that is currently in process to end incursions fast to stop the farming is not hurting the farmers that much, they have the fleets and the contacts to get in there and do them untill the mom goes,
the people it is hurting are the casual players,
e.g. a few days ago i log in for 30 mins just to change skills and notice there is an incursion on, so i hop in a logi ship and make my way there thinking that the next day i might have an hour free and i could make some isk to fund my weekend pvp.
the problem is i log in the next day to see if i can get in a fleet and the incursion has been finished, so i look where the next one is and fly to it then log off as im now out of time, fast forward 2 days and we have the same problem again,
so i did a couple lvl4's instead and dam lvl4's are boring... no one to talk to no fun, i was out of eve and back into BF3 in no time.....
think about that for a mo...
Ninja Edit : the post above makes my point also as im sure others do, people are gonna PVE no matter what, if that PVE content is boring/solo then whats the point... this is a game not a job! |
TharOkha
0asis Group
9
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Posted - 2012.01.23 10:02:00 -
[395] - Quote
Now i realy dont know if this is just trolling (if so,... good job and 8/10) or it you are only an BrickSquad alt, or are you realy that stupid and start thread about this issue. GÇŁReality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇĽ |
Jo Hei
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.23 10:17:00 -
[396] - Quote
Elisha Starkiller wrote: so i did a couple lvl4's instead and dam lvl4's are boring... no one to talk to no fun, i was out of eve and back into BF3 in no time.....
This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to, the griefers killing off incursions are culling genuine interest in this game and so are preventing its growth. Mostly it is out of attention-seeking, "oh look at us, we're special!", but honestly, Dear BrickSquad, its time for you guys to stop crying about game features. Either play something else or HTFU. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
170
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Posted - 2012.01.23 10:46:00 -
[397] - Quote
Jo Hei wrote:Elisha Starkiller wrote: so i did a couple lvl4's instead and dam lvl4's are boring... no one to talk to no fun, i was out of eve and back into BF3 in no time.....
This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to, the griefers killing off incursions are culling genuine interest in this game and so are preventing its growth. Mostly it is out of attention-seeking, "oh look at us, we're special!", but honestly, Dear BrickSquad, its time for you guys to stop crying about game features. Either play something else or HTFU.
Haha ... killing the MOM is the ultimate goal of fighting incursions. They beat you to it and now you cry over other players being better than you at PVE!!
Who needs to HTFU? |
Jo Hei
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:00:00 -
[398] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Jo Hei wrote:Elisha Starkiller wrote: so i did a couple lvl4's instead and dam lvl4's are boring... no one to talk to no fun, i was out of eve and back into BF3 in no time.....
This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to, the griefers killing off incursions are culling genuine interest in this game and so are preventing its growth. Mostly it is out of attention-seeking, "oh look at us, we're special!", but honestly, Dear BrickSquad, its time for you guys to stop crying about game features. Either play something else or HTFU. Haha ... killing the MOM is the ultimate goal of fighting incursions. They beat you to it and now you cry over other players being better than you at PVE!! Who needs to HTFU?
1/10. Poor effort. |
Elisha Starkiller
Viziam Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:03:00 -
[399] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:
Haha ... killing the MOM is the ultimate goal of fighting incursions. They beat you to it and now you cry over other players being better than you at PVE!!
Who needs to HTFU?
lol im not crying over the mom being done, I agree that it is there to be done, but one of the tweaks that is needed for incursions is that the mom should not spawn for at least 2 days if not more, this allows the casual players to get in on the action...
also there should be no difference in isk/hour on any of the sites, that way it would spread people out, say a max income of 50 mil an hour but can be achieved in any site? that is still a great income, it gets people together everyone wins!
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1259
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:05:00 -
[400] - Quote
Samantha Utama wrote:Mom down! Mom down! Call the Wahmbulance!
My Mom goes down on me all the time....
Hang on...
That came out right. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
345
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:06:00 -
[401] - Quote
Jo Hei wrote:Elisha Starkiller wrote: so i did a couple lvl4's instead and dam lvl4's are boring... no one to talk to no fun, i was out of eve and back into BF3 in no time.....
This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to, the griefers killing off incursions are culling genuine interest in this game and so are preventing its growth. Mostly it is out of attention-seeking, "oh look at us, we're special!", but honestly, Dear BrickSquad, its time for you guys to stop crying about game features. Either play something else or HTFU. Well, given that its currently being controlled by an 'elite' cliche that utterly control who can run incursions, and will ban you for agreeing that just perhaps, they should be ended when the mom spawned because, well, thats how its supposed to happen(or the mom wouldn't spawn for days) who are utterly disrupting peoples homes for an extended period because they are deliberately prolonging the penalties to people who aren't incursion runners...
Thats rather a problem, when you can be banned from this activity for disagreeing with someone. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
176
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:13:00 -
[402] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Jo Hei wrote:Elisha Starkiller wrote: so i did a couple lvl4's instead and dam lvl4's are boring... no one to talk to no fun, i was out of eve and back into BF3 in no time.....
This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to, the griefers killing off incursions are culling genuine interest in this game and so are preventing its growth. Mostly it is out of attention-seeking, "oh look at us, we're special!", but honestly, Dear BrickSquad, its time for you guys to stop crying about game features. Either play something else or HTFU. Well, given that its currently being controlled by an 'elite' cliche that utterly control who can run incursions, and will ban you for agreeing that just perhaps, they should be ended when the mom spawned because, well, thats how its supposed to happen(or the mom wouldn't spawn for days) who are utterly disrupting peoples homes for an extended period because they are deliberately prolonging the penalties to people who aren't incursion runners... Thats rather a problem, when you can be banned from this activity for disagreeing with someone.
Guy has a valid concern.
As I pointed out earlier in the thread, that mega BTL ban list has people on it with reasons listed as starting or taking part in forum threads that they don't approve of! Not just for in-game infractions. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1259
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 11:16:00 -
[403] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Jo Hei wrote:Elisha Starkiller wrote: so i did a couple lvl4's instead and dam lvl4's are boring... no one to talk to no fun, i was out of eve and back into BF3 in no time.....
This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to, the griefers killing off incursions are culling genuine interest in this game and so are preventing its growth. Mostly it is out of attention-seeking, "oh look at us, we're special!", but honestly, Dear BrickSquad, its time for you guys to stop crying about game features. Either play something else or HTFU. Well, given that its currently being controlled by an 'elite' cliche that utterly control who can run incursions, and will ban you for agreeing that just perhaps, they should be ended when the mom spawned because, well, thats how its supposed to happen(or the mom wouldn't spawn for days) who are utterly disrupting peoples homes for an extended period because they are deliberately prolonging the penalties to people who aren't incursion runners... Thats rather a problem, when you can be banned from this activity for disagreeing with someone.
Clearly, the Banlists are stopping those who are banned from participating in the Incursion activity. Those who are banned could never kill a MOM. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
158
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:17:00 -
[404] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Wow, it's 8p.m. CST Sunday night and their are only 31,000 people online according to eve stats we maxed at around 50,000. While I know some of that is maxing with EU/US overlap it looks like number of pilots online might be down 4,000-5,000+ with the closing of all high sec incursions.
BTW I brought up D&D to point out that people like to get together for scheduled gaming events.
I prefer playing with 5000 less exploiters. Because not killing the MOM, go against all the backstory for the PURE bot-like farming of ISK is exploiting. Not a forbidden cheat but it's still exploiting a mechanic.
I also prefer playing with 5000 less RMT bots despite they pay subscriptions.
Your 5000 subs excuse is garbage. 5, 50, 500, 5000 or 50,000 subs is never a bypass for exploiting the game. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
158
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:19:00 -
[405] - Quote
Spineker wrote:I seriously doubt they are cheering or otherwise. Is a business not a football game and they have to balance for all players.
Plus in a few days it will be over and people will go back to whatever.
They are cheering because EvE biggest selling points are exactly these dramas.
The more they wail, the bigger the bloggers and MMO websites will talk about EvE, the more EvE sells. |
Jo Hei
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:23:00 -
[406] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Spineker wrote:I seriously doubt they are cheering or otherwise. Is a business not a football game and they have to balance for all players.
Plus in a few days it will be over and people will go back to whatever. They are cheering because EvE biggest selling points are exactly these dramas. The more they wail, the bigger the bloggers and MMO websites will talk about EvE, the more EvE sells.
Yes, because everyone wants to play a game dominated by a whiny and self-entitled player base, don't they. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
158
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 11:28:00 -
[407] - Quote
Jo Hei wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Spineker wrote:I seriously doubt they are cheering or otherwise. Is a business not a football game and they have to balance for all players.
Plus in a few days it will be over and people will go back to whatever. They are cheering because EvE biggest selling points are exactly these dramas. The more they wail, the bigger the bloggers and MMO websites will talk about EvE, the more EvE sells. Yes, because everyone wants to play a game dominated by a whiny and self-entitled player base, don't they.
Well, not everyone but you are here, no? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4508
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:35:00 -
[408] - Quote
Jo Hei wrote:This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to New and casual players don't do incursions and aren't really allowed to enjoy them anyway. That part has nothing to do with people doing incursions in an entirely legitimate way (and has more to do with those doing them semi-illegitimately). GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
71
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:39:00 -
[409] - Quote
Mom spawns, mom gets popped, working as intended. Just because it means you can't sit there and exploit billions more isk out of the site you come on the forums and whine about some people who decided run a site at a point at which it was meant to be run in the first place...
The quicker vanguards get nerfed the better, even if it does include an extended time in which the mom spawns. |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Bloodbound.
39
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:58:00 -
[410] - Quote
Quote:[00:13:57] Sojet > WTF really? all the high sec incursions are already dead? [00:14:29] MF Machiavelli > yes somone doesnt seem to understand how farming works
I'm sure if Kuvakei knew you were farming his devout followers at such at extreme number, he'd lead an Incursion to end all of highsec! He would destroy CONCORD!
SAVE THE NATION BY ENDING THE INCURSIONS AS THEY ARE DESIGNED. KUVAKEI WILL BE PLEASED! Kill one, save a thousand.
/me snugglehump you long time GÖŃ
~ I AM PETEBBA |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
346
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:07:00 -
[411] - Quote
TheButcherPete wrote:Quote:[00:13:57] Sojet > WTF really? all the high sec incursions are already dead? [00:14:29] MF Machiavelli > yes somone doesnt seem to understand how farming works I'm sure if Kuvakei knew you were farming his devout followers at such at extreme number, he'd lead an Incursion to end all of highsec! He would destroy CONCORD! SAVE THE NATION BY ENDING THE INCURSIONS AS THEY ARE DESIGNED. KUVAKEI WILL BE PLEASED! Kill one, save a thousand. I've already suggested once, somewhere, that the way to fix Incursions is to make the mom hotdrop people once she spawns. It would make perfect sense for her to drop into vanguard sites to defend her minions. This would perfectly bring the risk level up to match the rewards, without some of the crazy 'make incursion areas nullsec' type ideas I have heard. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
72
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:14:00 -
[412] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:Quote:[00:13:57] Sojet > WTF really? all the high sec incursions are already dead? [00:14:29] MF Machiavelli > yes somone doesnt seem to understand how farming works I'm sure if Kuvakei knew you were farming his devout followers at such at extreme number, he'd lead an Incursion to end all of highsec! He would destroy CONCORD! SAVE THE NATION BY ENDING THE INCURSIONS AS THEY ARE DESIGNED. KUVAKEI WILL BE PLEASED! Kill one, save a thousand. I've already suggested once, somewhere, that the way to fix Incursions is to make the mom hotdrop people once she spawns. It would make perfect sense for her to drop into vanguard sites to defend her minions. This would perfectly bring the risk level up to match the rewards, without some of the crazy 'make incursion areas nullsec' type ideas I have heard.
I like this idea a lot, assuming the mom hotdrop is completely random in relation to incursions, but the bears won't go for anything random that they cannot farm consecutively with the added factor of risk
I will give you +1 internets |
fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:19:00 -
[413] - Quote
CCP Spitfire wrote:Hello everyone,
In the interest of keeping the forum a bit less cluttered, I suggest keeping all feedback on the recent Brick Squad campaign in this thread (its title has been changed accordingly to provide a little extra clarity). I'd like to stress that this is not an attempt to censor the discussion or sweep things under the rug, but rather to maintain General Discussion in a more or less healthy state.
I have already sent the feedback on the whole "turbo-running incursions" situation to our developers and hope they will be able to pitch in here soon. Consolidating the conversation in one thread will allow them to read all the arguments more easily and provide their own thoughts in a single place.
We appreciate the concern of both parties involved and will definitely take all feedback into consideration.
Ninja edit: Please keep in mind that all forum rules are still in effect, and failure to adhere to them may result in warnings and/or bans.
bout time you got a moderator in here then. 1 page back there's some guy bragging about his mother giving him oral sex, if thats not ban worthy i dont know what is.
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
346
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:22:00 -
[414] - Quote
seany1212 wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:Quote:[00:13:57] Sojet > WTF really? all the high sec incursions are already dead? [00:14:29] MF Machiavelli > yes somone doesnt seem to understand how farming works I'm sure if Kuvakei knew you were farming his devout followers at such at extreme number, he'd lead an Incursion to end all of highsec! He would destroy CONCORD! SAVE THE NATION BY ENDING THE INCURSIONS AS THEY ARE DESIGNED. KUVAKEI WILL BE PLEASED! Kill one, save a thousand. I've already suggested once, somewhere, that the way to fix Incursions is to make the mom hotdrop people once she spawns. It would make perfect sense for her to drop into vanguard sites to defend her minions. This would perfectly bring the risk level up to match the rewards, without some of the crazy 'make incursion areas nullsec' type ideas I have heard. I like this idea a lot, assuming the mom hotdrop is completely random in relation to incursions, but the bears won't go for anything random that they cannot farm consecutively with the added factor of risk I will give you +1 internets I was actually thinking have her target the site with the fewest people, or the most people. The ability to farm wouldn't be removed, but you would have to be able to tank her while you do it
If you can tank the mom while grinding sites, more power to you, expect it to get fixed a different way once that happens. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Bloodbound.
39
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:28:00 -
[415] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:seany1212 wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:Quote:[00:13:57] Sojet > WTF really? all the high sec incursions are already dead? [00:14:29] MF Machiavelli > yes somone doesnt seem to understand how farming works I'm sure if Kuvakei knew you were farming his devout followers at such at extreme number, he'd lead an Incursion to end all of highsec! He would destroy CONCORD! SAVE THE NATION BY ENDING THE INCURSIONS AS THEY ARE DESIGNED. KUVAKEI WILL BE PLEASED! Kill one, save a thousand. I've already suggested once, somewhere, that the way to fix Incursions is to make the mom hotdrop people once she spawns. It would make perfect sense for her to drop into vanguard sites to defend her minions. This would perfectly bring the risk level up to match the rewards, without some of the crazy 'make incursion areas nullsec' type ideas I have heard. I like this idea a lot, assuming the mom hotdrop is completely random in relation to incursions, but the bears won't go for anything random that they cannot farm consecutively with the added factor of risk I will give you +1 internets I was actually thinking have her target the site with the fewest people, or the most people. The ability to farm wouldn't be removed, but you would have to be able to tank her while you do it If you can tank the mom while grinding sites, more power to you, expect it to get fixed a different way once that happens.
CONCORD engages the Super, for some stupid reason. The Incuribears would just let concord handle it. I support the "Incursion zone is converted into nullsec" solution, and it makes sense.
/me snugglehump you long time GÖŃ
~ I AM PETEBBA |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1645
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:30:00 -
[416] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:Quote:[00:13:57] Sojet > WTF really? all the high sec incursions are already dead? [00:14:29] MF Machiavelli > yes somone doesnt seem to understand how farming works I'm sure if Kuvakei knew you were farming his devout followers at such at extreme number, he'd lead an Incursion to end all of highsec! He would destroy CONCORD! SAVE THE NATION BY ENDING THE INCURSIONS AS THEY ARE DESIGNED. KUVAKEI WILL BE PLEASED! Kill one, save a thousand. I've already suggested once, somewhere, that the way to fix Incursions is to make the mom hotdrop people once she spawns. It would make perfect sense for her to drop into vanguard sites to defend her minions. This would perfectly bring the risk level up to match the rewards, without some of the crazy 'make incursion areas nullsec' type ideas I have heard.
better yet, a spiky, grotesque hybrid between an Erebus and Avatar shows up and alphas shiny faction BS with guns while doomsdaying logistics.
oh and the sansha titan would be vertical, but BPCs would never drop because lol another titan |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1261
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:46:00 -
[417] - Quote
fuer0n wrote:CCP Spitfire wrote:Hello everyone,
In the interest of keeping the forum a bit less cluttered, I suggest keeping all feedback on the recent Brick Squad campaign in this thread (its title has been changed accordingly to provide a little extra clarity). I'd like to stress that this is not an attempt to censor the discussion or sweep things under the rug, but rather to maintain General Discussion in a more or less healthy state.
I have already sent the feedback on the whole "turbo-running incursions" situation to our developers and hope they will be able to pitch in here soon. Consolidating the conversation in one thread will allow them to read all the arguments more easily and provide their own thoughts in a single place.
We appreciate the concern of both parties involved and will definitely take all feedback into consideration.
Ninja edit: Please keep in mind that all forum rules are still in effect, and failure to adhere to them may result in warnings and/or bans. bout time you got a moderator in here then. 1 page back there's some guy bragging about his mother giving him oral sex, if thats not ban worthy i dont know what is. RubyPorto wrote:Samantha Utama wrote:Mom down! Mom down! Call the Wahmbulance! My Mom goes down on me all the time.... Hang on... That came out right. ruby you sick mofo there might be children reading these forums. there's trolling and theres going over the top.
I don't think that's what I said. I was mearly claiming ownership over a Mothership (commonly referred to as Mom), and complaining that it falls often (commonly referred to as "going down").
Also, if there are children on the Eve-O forums, there are terrible parents signing them up for them.
EDIT: I took a look, both at the stickies at the top of GD and in the Information Portal, and I have found no rules regarding speech on the forums. CCP may want to consider fixing that. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
116
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:48:00 -
[418] - Quote
Jo Hei wrote:[quote=Xorv] Players dont want an "endless safe unhindered" experience. They want an experience. It has some risk involved; from who you fleet with to how (and what) you fly. ISK/hour is somehow not what people name "experience".....
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L Salander
Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:02:00 -
[419] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.
I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.
CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)
Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.
Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME
Incursionbear tears mmmm delicious |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
990
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:16:00 -
[420] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME
Umm - Circular reference... morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
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Artemis Picoazaksat
Brothers At Arms Nulli Tertius
30
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:17:00 -
[421] - Quote
What is the difference in Risk-Reward between incursions and a -1.0 dead end system that is cyno jammed and the gate rapecaged by T2 large bubbles with a intel channel? Unless there is a hoard of nullified T3 you are safe to farm that system to your hearts content. I admit I farmed incursion for a while so I did not need to rat and could just PVP until I ran out of isk.
I mean personally I blame Adolf, Communism and Solar Flares but that is just me. |
Morar Santee
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:33:00 -
[422] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Of course bounties account for substantially more of an isk faucet overall than incursions alone. By quite a considerable amount. Oh really? Source? Numbers?
Oookay... so let me get this straight.
1. You are shedding a river of tears because Incursions are such a gigantic ISK faucet. 2. You demand proof that bounties are not, in fact, a bigger ISK faucet than Incursions. 3. You constitute that because there are no current numbers available, you must of course have been right all along. Without being able to provide any hard numbers yourself. At all. Whatsoever.
I'll pay you everything I earned in Incursions last week if you honestly answer this question: Have you ever considered, even for a minute, to pull your head out of your ass - just for a little while - to find out how fresh air smells?
The funniest thing is: I think Incursion rewards were mis-calculated from the get-go. Both in terms of scaling between different types of sites in Incursions and in terms of ISK payout as part of rewards. But then I see these threads, filled to the brim with misinformed, intellectually challenged would-bes, whining about how Incursions are so horrible. And then they either provide completely made-up numbers to illustrate how huge the ISK faucet is, or demand other people provide official numbers to disprove a hypothesis they can't support, when their own made-up **** doesn't cut it.
I can't decide whether I want to laugh about the idiocy of it all or weep for mankind. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
22
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:33:00 -
[423] - Quote
Artemis Picoazaksat wrote:What is the difference in Risk-Reward between incursions and a -1.0 dead end system that is cyno jammed and the gate rapecaged by T2 large bubbles with a intel channel? Unless there is a hoard of nullified T3 you are safe to farm that system to your hearts content. I admit I farmed incursion for a while so I did not need to rat and could just PVP until I ran out of isk.
I mean personally I blame Adolf, Communism and Solar Flares but that is just me.
Because we all know that cyno jammers, bubbles and intel channels come free with sov...
But really, the players out in null (not just null, this applies to lowsec and wh space) make it safe for themselves and their alliance. Incursion runners are protected by concord. One is automatic and the other requires effort and team work. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
348
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:44:00 -
[424] - Quote
Morar Santee wrote:Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Of course bounties account for substantially more of an isk faucet overall than incursions alone. By quite a considerable amount. Oh really? Source? Numbers? Oookay... so let me get this straight. 1. You are shedding a river of tears because Incursions are such a gigantic ISK faucet. 2. You demand proof that bounties are not, in fact, a bigger ISK faucet than Incursions. 3. You constitute that because there are no current numbers available, you must of course have been right all along. Without being able to provide any hard numbers yourself. At all. Whatsoever. I'll pay you everything I earned in Incursions last week if you honestly answer this question: Have you ever considered, even for a minute, to pull your head out of your ass - just for a little while - to find out how fresh air smells? The funniest thing is: I think Incursion rewards were mis-calculated from the get-go. Both in terms of scaling between different types of sites in Incursions and in terms of ISK payout as part of rewards. But then I see these threads, filled to the brim with misinformed, intellectually challenged would-bes, whining about how Incursions are so horrible. And then they either provide completely made-up numbers to illustrate how huge the ISK faucet is, or demand other people provide official numbers to disprove a hypothesis they can't support, when their own made-up **** doesn't cut it. I can't decide whether I want to laugh about the idiocy of it all or weep for mankind. http://commfaculty.fullerton.edu/rgass/fallacy3211.htm Familiarize yourself with that list before sparring with Tippia. Its for your own good. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
536
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:44:00 -
[425] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion. Sounds like the intended way of dealing with an incursion, kill it off as soon as possible.
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player. The only reason you're thinking this is "punishing the normal player" is because you want to milk it.
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now) As I was saying, milking it.
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it. Tinfoil Hats Inc. is thaddaway. Down the hall, second door to the left. |
Morar Santee
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:55:00 -
[426] - Quote
Now.. if you understood what you linked, you would probably realize that half of these points apply to the reasoning of people whining about Incursions.
1. Faulty cause: "There is Incursions, there is inflation, ergo Incursion must have caused inflation."
5. Appeal to Ignorance: "You cannot prove Incursions are NOT a bigger ISK faucet than bounties, therefore they must be." (Which happens to be the topic of my original post. Did you read it?)
8. Faulty Sign: "OmG Incursions - if we don't stop them, Null-Sec will DIE!!!"
9. ad hominem: "lolol incurzun bear tearz! whutevar u say iz teh liess! incursion is EBIL!"
I'd go through the rest of the list, but I can't be arsed. Just... make an effort to understand what you link. |
Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
12
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:00:00 -
[427] - Quote
What im most dissapointed about overall this is that NO ONE IS BLOODY WARDECCING US!! I mean come on people we make you cry, the least you could do is war dec us and fight us to vent your frustration!
On another note, When incursions started i didnt think they would be around all the time, i mean how long will a nation continue invading another nation for? Always thought that after a few months the incursions would stop all together... but maybe thats a bit to realistic?
Imagine the tears if incursions stopped all together? Oh how glorious! |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
89
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:00:00 -
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Morar Santee wrote:Now.. if you understood what you linked, you would probably realize that half of these points apply to the reasoning of people whining about Incursions. 1. Faulty cause: "There is Incursions, there is inflation, ergo Incursion must have caused inflation." 5. Appeal to Ignorance: "You cannot prove Incursions are NOT a bigger ISK faucet than bounties, therefore they must be." (Which happens to be the topic of my original post. Did you read it?) 8. Faulty Sign: "OmG Incursions - if we don't stop them, Null-Sec will DIE!!!" 9. ad hominem: "lolol incurzun bear tearz! whutevar u say iz teh liess! incursion is EBIL!" I'd go through the rest of the list, but I can't be arsed. Just... make an effort to understand what you link. Edit: Wait, was that a genuine warning? I really didn't expect friendly advice in this thread in particular, so please ignore my ranting if that is the case.
That is only 1/7 of the list of logical fallacy
Here is the rest.
.Ad Hominem Ad Hominem Tu Quoque Appeal to Authority Appeal to Belief Appeal to Common Practice Appeal to Consequences of a Belief Appeal to Emotion Appeal to Fear Appeal to Flattery Appeal to Novelty Appeal to Pity Appeal to Popularity Appeal to Ridicule Appeal to Spite Appeal to Tradition Bandwagon Begging the Question Biased Sample Burden of Proof Circumstantial Ad Hominem Composition Confusing Cause and Effect Division False Dilemma Gambler's Fallacy Genetic Fallacy Guilt By Association Hasty Generalization Ignoring A Common Cause Middle Ground Misleading Vividness Personal Attack Poisoning the Well Post Hoc Questionable Cause Red Herring Relativist Fallacy Slippery Slope Special Pleading Spotlight Straw Man Two Wrongs Make A Right
No way I'm typing examples.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
537
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:03:00 -
[429] - Quote
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:What im most dissapointed about overall is that NO ONE IS BLOODY WARDECCING US!! I mean come on people we make you cry, the least you could do is war dec us and fight us to vent your frustration!
On another note, When incursions started i didnt think they would be around all the time, i mean how long will a nation continue invading another nation for? Always thought that after a few months the incursions would stop all together... but maybe thats a bit to realistic?
Imagine the tears if incursions stopped all together? Oh how glorious! There's been tears becuse an incursion didn't respawn for A FULL DAY. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
394
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:18:00 -
[430] - Quote
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:What im most dissapointed about overall is that NO ONE IS BLOODY WARDECCING US!! I mean come on people we make you cry, the least you could do is war dec us and fight us to vent your frustration!
answer is that if you are war-decced people in BTL/TDF won't run fleets with you
I had a war going with a dissolved corp once and even that was a huge hassle to get people to accept...
if they would war-dec you they would just make themselves cry for another 7 days^^ |
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Chib
Reliables Inc Initiative Mercenaries
2
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:23:00 -
[431] - Quote
I applaud D3 (for csm7) in his fine work
whats funny is i was on comms talking to them while trying to run incursions while they were popping the MS at the same time
and i didnt even know it!
bastids stole my isks
but <3 em
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Allko
Zero Tax services
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:28:00 -
[432] - Quote
So who said there are no Risk Vs Reward in incursions? lol ... have u ever been in a fleet where logis are... i do no... sleeping? :D + trolls+pirates+stuff like disc. etc. I gues some pl just cant get enought of it.... theyre idea of perfect pvp is a lvl4`s and in stead of NPC`s they could shoot at carebears flying arround helpless with faction fitet BS :D |
Traiori
Silverwing Explorers Unfamiliar Presence
8
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:33:00 -
[433] - Quote
To throw a couple of ideas out here,
Why not have a multiplier on incursion rewards depending on how red/blue the bar is? Rewards start at 100% and decrease to 40-50% over time.
Sure, run sites as fast as you like. You'll still be capped at 40-50m/h income, because, frankly, you've been farming them to death.
Better yet, have a time multiplier on all rewards of the incursion. Take a week over killing the mothership? CONCORD have been instructed that, due to the fact that so many citizens were abducted, they are only to pay out 50% of your rewards. Pay out ISK when incursion is over (remove the 'mothership must be killed restriction' perhaps, so that people can run the odd site and still receive the rewards, even if they can't pull together a fleet capable of killing the mothership. Small gang activity: ninja run incursions in null!) as well, so that multipliers apply to this. Maybe 24 hour grace period of 100%, then a decrease of 1%/hour thereafter.
Or how about we have sec status vary with incursions? Lose 0.1 sec/hour (because variable sec status would make this game interesting) and that way any hisec system will, after a couple of days, be losec. Incursions would probably be tidied up just in time for the sec status to not drop below 0.5, but meh. That's life.
Maybe you could limit the number of sites in total, thereby removing infinite-spawns. Whilst you're at it, limit the number of missions any agent can give out per day. The first removes incursion profiteering, the second means that you have to use - oh noes! - more than one mission agent. Maybe you might have to use more than one corporation to mission with. How terrible for all those people that just want to sit in a single system all day farming l4's.
I digress away from incursions however, so to bring it back to incursions..
Tidy up AI. AI should receive a boost, and start targeting intelligently. Lets have some more jammers, lets have those jammers hitting logi ships and guns hitting a different target to break up the rr chains. The guy who suggested the mothership cynos into whichever site has the highest value ships is a great idea. It would shake up incursions again, and mean that suddenly the incursion is actually more of a problem.
Tidy up the vast expanse of 'known knowledge' about incursions. Randomise spawns slightly. Do the same to all PvE content. I fly in wormholes on a couple of alts, and we do get random spawns there. The extra battleship that turns an easy site into one that actually requires you to wake up a bit in certain C2 anomalies for example. That kind of 'extra on-top' ship appearing to give a boost to dps would be nice.
Decrease the ability to blitz, increase rewards. 3 minutes a site is ridiculous. Maybe remove blitz-ability somehow - accel. gates and multi-room sites? Randomised triggers? Time triggers? Time triggers would be good, allowing smaller gangs without shiny faction fit ships to complete sites only marginally slower.
Maybe randomise how the sites spawn across the constellation. Having a set system for VG's means that you can just sit in that system all day. Create a more dynamic, fluid, feeling to incursions and split up the spawns across the constellation, similar to how explorers suspect wormhole site spawn mechanics work.
GATE RATS IN HISEC because then there'd be another reason for incursions to be dealt with relatively quickly. Make sure these rats scram as well please. It'll keep us all on our toes during incursions.
This post is intended to be a compilation of ideas that I've heard from guys I fly with and things that occurred to me as I read through this thread. There are lots of contradictions, or things that wouldn't work well as one cohesive unit in this post, and - obviously - I don't think that doing everything listed would be any better than doing none of it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4514
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:38:00 -
[434] - Quote
Morar Santee wrote:1. You are shedding a river of tears because Incursions are such a gigantic ISK faucet. 2. You demand proof that bounties are not, in fact, a bigger ISK faucet than Incursions. 3. You constitute that because there are no current numbers available, you must of course have been right all along. Without being able to provide any hard numbers yourself. At all. Whatsoever. 1. No. I'm merely concerned because it looks like it might be one, given the numbers people throw around, but no-one has any actual data on incursions and it would be nice to have some in order to have a sensible debate on the issue. 2. No, I demand some factual basis for the assertions people make, especially in cases when no such numbers have been provided to my knowledge. If someone could provide actual numbers, the comparison is easy since we do have figure for many of the other faucets. 3. No, I merely conclude that the claims being made are unsubstantiated and quite possibly made up.
Quote:But then I see these threads, filled to the brim with misinformed, intellectually challenged would-bes, whining about how Incursions are so horrible. ...and that is why I ask people who make these kinds of claims to provide some data to back up their statements. No matter what it shows, it would be interesting. GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Arec Bardwin
Perkone Caldari State
236
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:22:00 -
[435] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote: I've already suggested once, somewhere, that the way to fix Incursions is to make the mom hotdrop people once she spawns. It would make perfect sense for her to drop into vanguard sites to defend her minions. This would perfectly bring the risk level up to match the rewards, without some of the crazy 'make incursion areas nullsec' type ideas I have heard.
This is an awesome idea
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
539
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:24:00 -
[436] - Quote
Allko wrote:So who said there are no Risk Vs Reward in incursions? Yes, incursion runners are downright heroes, what with all the terrible danger they face. |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
34
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:37:00 -
[437] - Quote
@ OP - Have you considered running any of the other incursions that are still active? Or perhaps look into a secondary source of income. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1650
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:45:00 -
[438] - Quote
Artemis Picoazaksat wrote:What is the difference in Risk-Reward between incursions and a -1.0 dead end system that is cyno jammed and the gate rapecaged by T2 large bubbles with a intel channel?
i've never seen a dead-end -1.0 system in sov space, so heh
also, get a spy into their alliance or a blue alliance, take a covops into the system via jump bridge, find ratter, point, light covert cyno for a bomber gang on a blackops
done, cynojammers can kiss my ass |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
248
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:53:00 -
[439] - Quote
Making the PVE harder won't make the farming problem go away, unless something is done to incursions to make it possible for incursion runners have to actually shoot other players at some point the risk involved in running incursions will still be virtually nil. |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
10
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:59:00 -
[440] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME
CCP have given you all the tools you need to 'sort them out'. It's not CCPs fault that you choose not to use them. |
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
62
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:59:00 -
[441] - Quote
I think Incursions would be a great way to get the Jove involved with the game. Could have them warp in after a set amount of time and chase the dirty Sansha back where they belong since it doesn't seem Concord is going to do anything about the Sansha. Of course, the farmers still wouldn't like it since they couldn't farm the ISK any longer. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
522
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:00:00 -
[442] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:I think Incursions would be a great way to get the Jove involved with the game. Could have them warp in after a set amount of time and chase the dirty Sansha back where they belong since it doesn't seem Concord is going to do anything about the Sansha. Of course, the farmers still wouldn't like it since they couldn't farm the ISK any longer.
-_-
I heard spiolers from the new novel that they are ALL DEAD(didnt rear it yet tho) |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
526
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:03:00 -
[443] - Quote
Incursion runners are sociopaths.
All they think about is their own satisfaction. What about the little people, who live in those systems? They have to wait a week to be able to play?
Oh but they could move. Well so could you! You could finish the incursion, then move on to the next.
Right now, whether they care or not, Darius and crew are champions of antisociopathy. |
Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:05:00 -
[444] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote: Right now, whether they care or not, Darius and crew are champions of antisociopathy.
No one mentions me. I think I will join the incursion runners and cry with them. |
Lex Alandar
Whiskey Prospects Luna Sanguinem
4
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:18:00 -
[445] - Quote
I find it absolutely friggin hilarious that the group claiming bears are making too much risk-free isk are using those same bears to prime their own risk-free blueprint-farming activities.
And you all think it's about nerfing incursions?
ahahahahahahahahahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
This thread clearly shows the motivation:
-tear collection -as many sansha mom bpcs as the bears will serve up for them
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:20:00 -
[446] - Quote
Lex Alandar wrote: This thread clearly shows the motivation:
-tear collection -as many sansha mom bpcs as the bears will serve up for them
One is correct and the other is wrong. Guess which one you imbecile. |
Dr Jan Itor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:57:00 -
[447] - Quote
Please ELI5 why it is a problem that people are doing incursions. |
The Snowman
xLegion of the dammedx.
24
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:03:00 -
[448] - Quote
Havoc Zealot wrote:I actually logged in to reply to this thread.
I support these mom killings...they were meant to be killed and not have the lesser incursions farmed. you forgot to log into your dev account to make this statement |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1651
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:05:00 -
[449] - Quote
Lex Alandar wrote:I find it absolutely friggin hilarious that the group claiming bears are making too much risk-free isk are using those same bears to prime their own risk-free blueprint-farming activities.
And you all think it's about nerfing incursions?
ahahahahahahahahahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
This thread clearly shows the motivation:
-tear collection -as many sansha mom bpcs as the bears will serve up for them
revenant BPCs only drop in lowsec incursions, hope that helps |
Katherine Starlight
Apex Tech Xenogenesis Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:34:00 -
[450] - Quote
revenant BPCs only drop in lowsec incursions, hope that helps[/quote]
they kill the lowsec ones too afaik.
Darius is a master at collecting tears, i wonder what he does with all of them, take a bath in them maybe? |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1156
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:48:00 -
[451] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Lex Alandar wrote: This thread clearly shows the motivation:
-tear collection -as many sansha mom bpcs as the bears will serve up for them
One is correct and the other is wrong. Guess which one you imbecile.
I know the answer :-) |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
526
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:01:00 -
[452] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Corina Jarr wrote: Right now, whether they care or not, Darius and crew are champions of antisociopathy.
No one mentions me. I think I will join the incursion runners and cry with them. I'm so sorry. I just can't ever remember how to spell your name, and I hate messing that up.
Krissada... now its in one of my posts so I can just check my post history. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:08:00 -
[453] - Quote
Lets do some math. According to CCP incursions are paying out 621 billion a week. Lets use 30m/hour as a conservative figure on how much a level 4 mission runner can make. That gives us a total of 20700 l4 man/hours a week. Assuming 23/7 uptime we get 161 hours/week. Since Incrusion's can't be botted no one player will be able to play 23/7. In total though the isk for incursions equals the same income generation (live load) per hour as 129 level IV missions being run in that hour. (=621,000,000,000 / 30,000,000 / 161)
What this tells me is that the isk per hour of running an incursion isn't as good as most people think. While the isk per hour actually running incursions seems great, when organizational and transit times are taken into account-not so much. The current idea of incursions as an isk generator seem to be generated by a couple of things.
1. Time flys when you're having fun. People of underestimating their total time commitment.
2. Big wallet flashies and bad math.
3. Folks flying faction ships with faction fits for the the first time and underestimating how much they could make with those ships running level 4s (it's more than 30m/hour).
4. Incursions are not being run evenly but at peak times. This means that a higher hourly reward is possible, but there is a lot of down/cycle time without heavy incursion running.
Bottom line 621b/week is a drop in the bucket for the eve economy (the Plex market in Jita churns 1.2T per DAY!). All this rage is a community issue being mistaken for an ISK one. If these shinny fleets split up and ran level 4s, there pilots would probably find themselves making more isk/hour. The enjoyment of flying with people (and unfamiliarity with use of heavy faction fits in L4s) is inflating the perception of profit. |
gfldex
283
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:10:00 -
[454] - Quote
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:What im most dissapointed about overall is that NO ONE IS BLOODY WARDECCING US!! I mean come on people we make you cry, the least you could do is war dec us and fight us to vent your frustration!
Sorry dude, but Incursions and wardecs are not compatible. Neither are killrights. Incursions are pure carebear content.
More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
19
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:11:00 -
[455] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Lex Alandar wrote: This thread clearly shows the motivation:
-tear collection -as many sansha mom bpcs as the bears will serve up for them
One is correct and the other is wrong. Guess which one you imbecile.
This from someone who is having a fit over people making too much fake money in a game?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4520
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:16:00 -
[456] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Lets do some math. According to CCP incursions are paying out 621 billion a week. Source? GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Razor Blue
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
9
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:26:00 -
[457] - Quote
Id be curious to see such data as well.
As far as i know, CCP havent published any information of how much isk is being injected by Incursions.
The 621b is probably just a number that someone thinks how much 3high sec incursions produce in perfect conditions.
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Lex Alandar
Whiskey Prospects Luna Sanguinem
4
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:56:00 -
[458] - Quote
Katherine Starlight wrote:revenant BPCs only drop in lowsec incursions, hope that helps
they kill the lowsec ones too afaik.
Darius is a master at collecting tears, i wonder what he does with all of them, take a bath in them maybe?[/quote]
....and the more hisec incursions are burned through (despawned), the more lowsec ones become available
honestly you people really need to try more than one step in logic
They get rewarded, monetarily, for collecting tears.
edit: and get to throw up the "incursion nerf" as their reason
Why wouldn't they do it?
For the record I'm in favour of changes to incursions, I thought it was pretty ridiculous when I started seeing all these noobs with named-gun machariels farming stupid isk.
I hear though from the dedicated lvl 4 runners that they can easily surpass incursion isk/hour. Without the hassle of finding a fleet, contesting sites, or downtime waiting/forming up/etc.
The whole damn system is ******, and it shows in the 1% monthly inflation |
Brumi Viri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 20:06:00 -
[459] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Jo Hei wrote:Elisha Starkiller wrote: so i did a couple lvl4's instead and dam lvl4's are boring... no one to talk to no fun, i was out of eve and back into BF3 in no time.....
This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to, the griefers killing off incursions are culling genuine interest in this game and so are preventing its growth. Mostly it is out of attention-seeking, "oh look at us, we're special!", but honestly, Dear BrickSquad, its time for you guys to stop crying about game features. Either play something else or HTFU. Well, given that its currently being controlled by an 'elite' cliche that utterly control who can run incursions, and will ban you for agreeing that just perhaps, they should be ended when the mom spawned because, well, thats how its supposed to happen(or the mom wouldn't spawn for days) who are utterly disrupting peoples homes for an extended period because they are deliberately prolonging the penalties to people who aren't incursion runners... Thats rather a problem, when you can be banned from this activity for disagreeing with someone.
BTL has a very democratic approach with due process. No one is banned just because. Also they allow you to have a CASE where you can submit information and appeal your ban. There are people getting un-ban all the time. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
766
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Posted - 2012.01.23 20:08:00 -
[460] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Lets do some math. According to CCP incursions are paying out 621 billion a week. Source?
I believe those numbers came from my calculations. However I am not certain.
Ammzi wrote:Mocam wrote:
Because they do break apart in levels and whereas you have 1 loss mail - daily there are mission runners losing ships to PvP across sec levels. They are NO more dangerous than doing missions.
It's relative. It's so unbelievably relative mate. One pilot may not have lost any ships in incursions ever while another pilot might have lost several faction battleships and t3's over the course of a few months. If you want to look at it as an average I doubt you'll be able to, because you don't have access to the necessary data, and again you might be able to although it won't be accurate. Either way, you don't know how many mission in EVE and you only have a vague estimate of how many run incursions on a regular basis. I could easily say the same about incursions. DAILY people lose ships to incursions across several sec level. Look for yourself in constellation ship losses over highsec, lowsec and nullsec. Daily losses. And what loss mail? I was talking about the guy's kills. All those kills he's been having the past couple of days account for BILLIONS of isk, all of those are incursion runners that have been griefed. Just because those who run incursions are much more public about it by having massive channels and a large concentration of pilots in one place doesn't mean you can automatically assume anything about them without having necessary data when comparing missioners and incursion runners. I'd say at peak time, a saturday or friday afternoon you'll be able to count a max of 500-800 active incursion runners at good circumstances. Let's just assume: 3 highsec incursions, each with 3 vanguard system, each with 4 fleets in them (extremely crowded). 10 (11) pilots * 4 fleets * 3 systems * 3 constellations =360 - 396 active pilots earning isk. Let's for that sake assume we have 4 assault fleets and 2 headquarter fleets: 20 * 4 + 40 * 2 = 160 pilots. At best let's assume a total of these 520-556 pilots are all earning an average of 70 m/hour. This is totally viable, since some fleets are earning 40 m/hour because of dreadful long breaks, losing sites, forming fleet, losing members or waiting for better sites to spawn while other fleets are earning 120 m/hour. So 520-556 * 70 m/hour = 36,4-38,9 billion isk is being created for incursions at PEAK time and EXTREME crowdness an hour in highsec, which only occurs at max 20 hours a week. The weekly average is much lower than that. Half a thousand pilots, all this because of half a thousand pilots? Seems quite negligible in my eyes.
Ammzi wrote:A reasonable ISK generation / hour from all incursions in highsec , (weekly average per hour) isn't way off when saying 10-15 billion isk is generated on average an hour from highsec incursions. So somewhere between 1.6 trillion and 2.5 trillion isk is introduced to the game on average from incursions. Ay - is this what is causing massive plex spikes? To put this in perspective that is enough isk to buy 3300-5000 plex's every week from the isk in incursions. So in the end that is 12,000-20,000 PLEX being able to be bought solely through incursion isk if my assumptions and calculations should hold. If we say that there is about 3000 regular incursion runners and they have 1,5 accounts on average that is 4500 PLEX's bought (if all pay with plex). This leaves 7,500 - 15,500 * 500 million isk = 3.7 - 7.78 trillion isk in their wallets!! What do the market experts say?
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Brumi Viri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 20:11:00 -
[461] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Jo Hei wrote:Elisha Starkiller wrote: so i did a couple lvl4's instead and dam lvl4's are boring... no one to talk to no fun, i was out of eve and back into BF3 in no time.....
This is my point. Instead of letting new or casual players enjoy the game the way they want to, the griefers killing off incursions are culling genuine interest in this game and so are preventing its growth. Mostly it is out of attention-seeking, "oh look at us, we're special!", but honestly, Dear BrickSquad, its time for you guys to stop crying about game features. Either play something else or HTFU. Well, given that its currently being controlled by an 'elite' cliche that utterly control who can run incursions, and will ban you for agreeing that just perhaps, they should be ended when the mom spawned because, well, thats how its supposed to happen(or the mom wouldn't spawn for days) who are utterly disrupting peoples homes for an extended period because they are deliberately prolonging the penalties to people who aren't incursion runners... Thats rather a problem, when you can be banned from this activity for disagreeing with someone. Clearly, the Banlists are stopping those who are banned from participating in the Incursion activity. Those who are banned could never kill a MOM.
Some people on the ban list are there for killing the MOM, others for killing Logistics, etc etc. BTL has un banned players that have killed MOMs in the past. They understand that people learn from their mistakes and are welcome back into the community. |
Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 20:42:00 -
[462] - Quote
Then failure to complete 0.0 incursions in your space should result in loss of
sov in the HQ system, and immediately changes sov to Sanshas Nation and the only way to take it back is to anchor SBU's and shoot the sansha ihub and tcu.
and loss of 1 level for each upgrade in all the other systems.
Oh yeah, sansha rats should spawn at moons and attack those billion isk per week moons.
ANYWAY
Vanguards need a nerf
Assaults and HQ's need a buff.
There is nothing wrong with incursions and the environment they provide.
Oh and dont give **** about 0 risk. Assaults and HQ sites can go horribly wrong if you do not have the right fleet.
// has seen logies die to alphas /// the fact that sanshas to not yellow box you before they shoot you is more fun. //// thinks all the incursion haters need to run the hq site - true creations rebirth facility, and the assault, nation commander strong hold when it gets a bad spawn and then look me in the eye that there is no risk in any of the sites. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1652
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Posted - 2012.01.23 21:11:00 -
[463] - Quote
Ai Mei wrote:Then failure to complete 0.0 incursions in your space should result in loss of
sov in the HQ system, and immediately changes sov to Sanshas Nation and the only way to take it back is to anchor SBU's and shoot the sansha ihub and tcu.
and loss of 1 level for each upgrade in all the other systems.
you're an idiot |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.01.23 21:18:00 -
[464] - Quote
Just a quick note, the 60bil/week number for incursions comes from the NPC news item posted by CCP and is an official number. We can argue permutations but I expect everyone here realizes that the level 4 number is a lowball. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.01.23 21:22:00 -
[465] - Quote
Andski wrote:Ai Mei wrote:Then failure to complete 0.0 incursions in your space should result in loss of
sov in the HQ system, and immediately changes sov to Sanshas Nation and the only way to take it back is to anchor SBU's and shoot the sansha ihub and tcu.
and loss of 1 level for each upgrade in all the other systems. you're an idiot
NPC based risk is non-zero in incursions. That you only recognize PC based risk is not our problem. In this context it NPC risk is. Very important factor as it influences the isk/hour ratio of the sites.
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Signho
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 21:31:00 -
[466] - Quote
Life of an Incursion runner.
Farm Vanguard sites Buy Faction BS Buy Faction/Dead space Fittings Farm Vanguard sites Buy Orca Buy another Faction BS Buy Faction/Dead space fittings Farm Vanguard sites Buy Logi Farm Vanguard sites Run to forums and cry when people kill the MS and you have to move your stuff in your Orca to another part of New Eden. Farm Vanguard sites
risk vs. reward = very little
Now try doing that in Low Sec
Farm Vanguard sites Farm Vanguard sites Get killed by roaming gang Laugh Farm Vanguard sites Farm Vanguard sites Dock up due to large Pirate Gang Spin your ship Farm Vanguard sites Die due to gate camp Laugh Farm Vanguard sites
High sec is the most safe and should pay out the LEAST amount and the pay out should be more than LVL IV missions and no more than LVLVs. Your Incursion should end in a given amount of time and not farmed for multiple days.
If you die in a HighSec Incursion you are DOING IT WRONG.
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2012.01.23 22:18:00 -
[467] - Quote
high sec already pay out 50% less than low sec.
And im not an idiot, i cant help if most of 0.0 dont know how to do incursions and form fleets to complete them. there are still 2 0.0 incursions up and no one is doing them. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
879
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Posted - 2012.01.23 22:31:00 -
[468] - Quote
Ai Mei wrote:high sec already pay out 50% less than low sec.
And im not an idiot, i cant help if most of 0.0 dont know how to do incursions and form fleets to complete them. there are still 2 0.0 incursions up and no one is doing them.
Apparently threads like these make running the High Sec Incursions more enjoyable.
Then again, perhaps their conscience caught up with them and they decided to do a good deed for the population of high sec in general by keeping Incursion fleets from dragging out the process of returning these systems to normal. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Gazmin VanBurin
The Tower Of Nevaurus The 99 Percent
55
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Posted - 2012.01.23 22:38:00 -
[469] - Quote
question is, what dose the average person do with their isk in a only high sec life style, I wouldnt mind incursioners so much if they used that money to go pvp or what not, but they just incursion more and buy shinyer stuff. im not saying everyone in game finds pvp fun, they make love building ships, but do the incursion bears get their "fun" from killing yet another vangaurd? |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.01.23 22:40:00 -
[470] - Quote
Ai Mei wrote:high sec already pay out 50% less than low sec. You mean 30% less. Lowsec pays 50% more. |
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Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
34
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Posted - 2012.01.23 22:57:00 -
[471] - Quote
Ai Mei wrote:high sec already pay out 50% less than low sec.
And im not an idiot, i cant help if most of 0.0 dont know how to do incursions and form fleets to complete them. there are still 2 0.0 incursions up and no one is doing them.
So I hear you have no idea how null works. |
Brumi Viri
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 23:32:00 -
[472] - Quote
Quote:Dear Pilots,
Incursions were amazing while they lasted and magnified the appreciation have for Eve Online. Unlike 0.0 people I have a job that doesn't allow me to log in 24/7 to the game. As a casual gamer Incursions allowed me to earn enough isk for day to day activities.
I am hereby canceling my account.
I implore you do the same so CCP will listen and ban Griefing.
Someone please take charge of this movement and keep a log of all the people closing accounts.
Signed, Sad Hard Working Eve Pilot.
As per my thread that was shut down. This is how I feel, and I am 100% committed if CCP does fix incursions. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
163
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Posted - 2012.01.24 00:05:00 -
[473] - Quote
@CCP:
Please to be allowing the use of covert-cynos and bridging-to in hisec ASAP., kthxbai.
(This thread should give you ample proof why this is a Good Thing(TM) )
"Cyno's up, cyno's up--BRING IT, BRING IT, BRING IT, BRING IT!!" (DNSBlack) NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Gazmin VanBurin
The Tower Of Nevaurus The 99 Percent
55
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Posted - 2012.01.24 00:08:00 -
[474] - Quote
you forget the part where if CCP band griefing most the griefers will quit the game, while there may be less of us, we are they ones who generaly enjoy our time in game, i know allot of us are the ones who buy plex for the carebears with isk to suck up so I doubt ccp would want us gone any more than you.
Remember kiddys, being a care bear is a state of mind, not whar eve profesion you chose. Greifers dont want carebears gone,because then they have no one to extract tears from, and we dont want actualy productive memebers of eves society gone either, because hay they build the stuff we griefe you in.
in the end eve would be worse off than WOW if any party was lost, and the carebears wouldn't relise this till they are the only one in jita selling faction mods to themselves.
oh and to be relivant... Down with the incursion bears! |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
163
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Posted - 2012.01.24 00:36:00 -
[475] - Quote
Andski wrote:Artemis Picoazaksat wrote:What is the difference in Risk-Reward between incursions and a -1.0 dead end system that is cyno jammed and the gate rapecaged by T2 large bubbles with a intel channel? i've never seen a dead-end -1.0 system in sov space, so heh also, get a spy into their alliance or a blue alliance, take a covops into the system via jump bridge, find ratter, point, light covert cyno for a bomber gang on a blackops done, cynojammers can kiss my ass
Boost BLOPs, NAOW!!
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
21
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:14:00 -
[476] - Quote
Gazmin VanBurin wrote:question is, what dose the average person do with their isk in a only high sec life style,
I blow it on Crash, Exotic dancers & spiced wine
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
16
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:56:00 -
[477] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Ai Mei wrote:high sec already pay out 50% less than low sec.
And im not an idiot, i cant help if most of 0.0 dont know how to do incursions and form fleets to complete them. there are still 2 0.0 incursions up and no one is doing them. So I hear you have no idea how null works.
let me see last time i was in 0.0 all i saw was, cynos, and roaming bands of nyxes and titans. sure there were normal caps but they were doing energy transfers to the supers.
But i digress, how hard is it for a 0.0 alliance to put together a few fleets to do an incursion. Seriously its not that hard to get 10 people together in an alliance of 1000+
Why hasnt XX Death nuked their incursion in 24 hours?
they have a few thousand people in their alliance how hard is it for them to form a fleet and just run sites fast, there are enough guides to do this. No seriously answer me this, how hard is it to form a fleet out there? 50 people can bring up the mom in no time running vans. If you can form a blob to do a "roaming gang" then 0.0 can surely form a 10 man group to run incursions which atm pay better than sanctums in 0.0. |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
34
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Posted - 2012.01.24 02:20:00 -
[478] - Quote
Ai Mei wrote:Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Ai Mei wrote:high sec already pay out 50% less than low sec.
And im not an idiot, i cant help if most of 0.0 dont know how to do incursions and form fleets to complete them. there are still 2 0.0 incursions up and no one is doing them. So I hear you have no idea how null works. let me see last time i was in 0.0 all i saw was, cynos, and roaming bands of nyxes and titans. sure there were normal caps but they were doing energy transfers to the supers. But i digress, how hard is it for a 0.0 alliance to put together a few fleets to do an incursion. Seriously its not that hard to get 10 people together in an alliance of 1000+ Why hasnt XX Death nuked their incursion in 24 hours? they have a few thousand people in their alliance how hard is it for them to form a fleet and just run sites fast, there are enough guides to do this. No seriously answer me this, how hard is it to form a fleet out there? 50 people can bring up the mom in no time running vans. If you can form a blob to do a "roaming gang" then 0.0 can surely form a 10 man group to run incursions which atm pay better than sanctums in 0.0.
...
Okay, first things first. Nullsec does not work like highsec. If there is 'an incursion somewhere', not everybody in 0.0 gets to autopilot over and x up to see if there is a fleet available; incursion running is essentially restricted to an alliance's own space. And since there are only a few incursions at a time, there has never been an actual incentive to keep appropriately fitted ships available in case one just happens to land in your space (out of the 36 nullsec regions).
So for any given 0.0 pilot there is hardly ever an incursion available, and as a result incursion running has never developed as a profession in 0.0 simply because it's not viable. They do not have incursion FCs, incursion formup channels, or often even any sort of plan in place to deal with them.
Also, the population density is much lower. There are ~288,000 highsec pilots with access to incursions, while the largest 0.0 alliance has less than 4% that number.
Second, there is little incentive at an alliance level to get rid of incursions unless they happen to land on a beacon or jump bridge that can't be rerouted. This means that running incursions is not an alliance effort, but something line pilots would have to arrange themselves.
Third, some people in null are actually more interested in shooting people than shooting rats. Strange, but true.
Fourth, xdeath is in the middle of a giant ****ing war and just might have better things to do. |
gfldex
284
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Posted - 2012.01.24 02:27:00 -
[479] - Quote
Ai Mei wrote:Why hasnt XX Death nuked their incursion in 24 hours?
Because they would kill to have an entire constellation cyno jammed for 0 ISK.
More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4528
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:27:00 -
[480] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Just a quick note, the 60bil/week number for incursions comes from the NPC news item posted by CCP and is an official number. We can argue permutations but I expect everyone here realizes that the level 4 number is a lowball. Link?
GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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Spineker
118
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:35:00 -
[481] - Quote
You know I thought Incursions were a bit over powered on the isk issue but all this monkey see as monkey do bandwagon Epeens is really rather disgusting to me. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
123
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:36:00 -
[482] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Lets do some math. According to CCP incursions are paying out 621 billion a week. Lets use 30m/hour as a conservative figure on how much a level 4 mission runner can make. That gives us a total of 20700 l4 man/hours a week. Assuming 23/7 uptime we get 161 hours/week. Since Incrusion's can't be botted no one player will be able to play 23/7. In total though the isk for incursions equals the same income generation (live load) per hour as 129 level IV missions being run in that hour. (=621,000,000,000 / 30,000,000 / 161)
What this tells me is that the isk per hour of running an incursion isn't as good as most people think. While the isk per hour actually running incursions seems great, when organizational and transit times are taken into account-not so much. The current idea of incursions as an isk generator seem to be generated by a couple of things.
1. Time flys when you're having fun. People of underestimating their total time commitment.
2. Big wallet flashies and bad math.
3. Folks flying faction ships with faction fits for the the first time and underestimating how much they could make with those ships running level 4s (it's more than 30m/hour).
4. Incursions are not being run evenly but at peak times. This means that a higher hourly reward is possible, but there is a lot of down/cycle time without heavy incursion running.
Bottom line 621b/week is a drop in the bucket for the eve economy (the Plex market in Jita churns 1.2T per DAY!). All this rage is a community issue being mistaken for an ISK one. If these shinny fleets split up and ran level 4s, there pilots would probably find themselves making more isk/hour. The enjoyment of flying with people (and unfamiliarity with use of heavy faction fits in L4s) is inflating the perception of profit.
There is no mistake in perception in ISK generation. It is all part of the fiction being generated by the sociopaths who want to wipe out high sec alts of null sec pilots from making ISK in high sec Incursions.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1656
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:57:00 -
[483] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Andski wrote:Ai Mei wrote:Then failure to complete 0.0 incursions in your space should result in loss of
sov in the HQ system, and immediately changes sov to Sanshas Nation and the only way to take it back is to anchor SBU's and shoot the sansha ihub and tcu.
and loss of 1 level for each upgrade in all the other systems. you're an idiot NPC based risk is non-zero in incursions. That you only recognize PC based risk is not our problem. In this context it NPC risk is. Very important factor as it influences the isk/hour ratio of the sites.
you run incursions with concord protection and make 100m+/hr
you wouldn't be flying ships that would take a hundred hours of incursions to recover the cost IF THE RISK OF LOSING THEM WAS THAT GREAT
hint: it's not |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:59:00 -
[484] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Just a quick note, the 60bil/week number for incursions comes from the NPC news item posted by CCP and is an official number. We can argue permutations but I expect everyone here realizes that the level 4 number is a lowball. Link? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59084&find=unread
Or you could go fish through the NPC news.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1656
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:59:00 -
[485] - Quote
Ai Mei wrote:Why hasnt XX Death nuked their incursion in 24 hours?
"Hey guys I know we're fighting a war with a highly competent enemy and all but let's go run that incursion in our space!!!!" |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1656
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Posted - 2012.01.24 05:03:00 -
[486] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:the Plex market in Jita churns 1.2T per DAY!
That's 1.2 trillion ISK changing hands every day. Despite what so many idiots seem to believe, there are no NPC buy orders in Jita for PLEX - it's entirely a player-controlled market. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.01.24 05:15:00 -
[487] - Quote
Andski wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Andski wrote:Ai Mei wrote:Then failure to complete 0.0 incursions in your space should result in loss of
sov in the HQ system, and immediately changes sov to Sanshas Nation and the only way to take it back is to anchor SBU's and shoot the sansha ihub and tcu.
and loss of 1 level for each upgrade in all the other systems. you're an idiot NPC based risk is non-zero in incursions. That you only recognize PC based risk is not our problem. In this context it NPC risk is. Very important factor as it influences the isk/hour ratio of the sites. you run incursions with concord protection and make 100m+/hr you wouldn't be flying ships that would take a hundred hours of incursions to recover the cost IF THE RISK OF LOSING THEM WAS THAT GREAT hint: it's not
One ship pop a month/month and a half of playtime? That's about the same rate of ship loss per pilot as the alliance I was in (on the goon side) was taking during the the BoB/Kenny war. If we get lucky TiDi might up that number substantially, but the average line pilot in 0.0 is not loosing a bunch of ships (dictor and bad inty pilots are another story). |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1268
|
Posted - 2012.01.24 06:28:00 -
[488] - Quote
Andski wrote:Jas Dor wrote:the Plex market in Jita churns 1.2T per DAY! That's 1.2 trillion ISK changing hands every day. Despite what so many idiots seem to believe, there are no NPC buy orders in Jita for PLEX - it's entirely a player-controlled market.
I'm imagining milking Plex for tears and churning it into a delicious, salty tear-based spread. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
545
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Posted - 2012.01.24 07:11:00 -
[489] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:One ship pop a month/month and a half of playtime? That's about the same rate of ship loss per pilot as the alliance I was in (on the goon side) was taking during the the BoB/Kenny war. If we get lucky TiDi might up that number substantially, but the average line pilot in 0.0 is not loosing a bunch of ships (dictor and bad inty pilots are another story). I lose anything between 2-10 maelstroms every month, depending on how many fights we have, and how competent the enemy is. That's not a risk, that's a certainty. |
Tore Vest
156
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Posted - 2012.01.24 07:19:00 -
[490] - Quote
Andski is on fire to day.... Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
568
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Posted - 2012.01.24 08:51:00 -
[491] - Quote
Brumi Viri wrote:Quote:Dear Pilots,
Incursions were amazing while they lasted and magnified the appreciation have for Eve Online. Unlike 0.0 people I have a job that doesn't allow me to log in 24/7 to the game. As a casual gamer Incursions allowed me to earn enough isk for day to day activities.
I am hereby canceling my account.
I implore you do the same so CCP will listen and ban Griefing.
Someone please take charge of this movement and keep a log of all the people closing accounts.
Signed, Sad Hard Working Eve Pilot. As per my thread that was shut down. This is how I feel, and I am 100% committed if CCP does fix incursions.
Tee Hee CCP and even the CSM have a lot of hardworking men and women who are very intelligent, working on making New Eden a better place-it is CCP management that I fear the most. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
366
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Posted - 2012.01.24 09:09:00 -
[492] - Quote
We may have a new meme - a shwep. Sad Hard Working Eve Pilot.
Oh hi Darius III any other NDA information you would like to share with us ?
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
35
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Posted - 2012.01.24 09:16:00 -
[493] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.
This is becoming a joke, i get the point that incursions need looking at and balancing. But these idiots cry because they want the whole of eve to play, the way they play. Killing the mom for a laff so the bears cant farm is punishing the normal player.
I run incursions not just for the isk, but the social aspect. This is ofc being ruined because of a bunch of goon wannabes crying because they arent making the huge isk.
CCP needs to put a stop to this now!!. If anything make the incursions run a timer of 3-4days before they move, even if the mom hasnt been killed. (As short term solution for now)
Also CSM's have been involved in these MOM killing fleets. This shows me they out for their own interests or corp/alliance interests. They are ment to be listening to the community not ruining it.
Incursions where ment to bring players together, have fun make some isk be happy, this new style which eve has enjoyed is slowly being torn apart. However i will say again, i agree incursions need balancing to make it good for everyone.
SO CCP SORT OUT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME
So, you're basically saying that CCP should go ahead and interfere with their sandbox? and you were saying that people shouldn't interfere with the way you play even though you are exploiting the mechanics of the game? and CSM are listening to the community, incursions need fixing and CCP is being slow at it. Youare not the community.
This is a sandbox, get used to it. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
350
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Posted - 2012.01.24 09:43:00 -
[494] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:We may have a new meme - a shwep. Sad Hard Working Eve Pilot. Oh hi Darius III any other NDA information you would like to share with us ? Is that related to a BattleShimp? o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
74
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Posted - 2012.01.24 10:16:00 -
[495] - Quote
HI! is this the thread where I can complain about someone not agreeing with the rest of EVE-bears for not completing incursions for pure meta-gaming reasons ? |
LacLongQuan
Deep Space Expedition.
13
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Posted - 2012.01.24 10:44:00 -
[496] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Ai Mei wrote:
Why hasnt XX Death nuked their incursion in 24 hours?
they have a few thousand people in their alliance how hard is it for them to form a fleet and just run sites fast, there are enough guides to do this. No seriously answer me this, how hard is it to form a fleet out there? 50 people can bring up the mom in no time running vans. If you can form a blob to do a "roaming gang" then 0.0 can surely form a 10 man group to run incursions which atm pay better than sanctums in 0.0.
Okay, first things first. Nullsec does not work like highsec. If there is 'an incursion somewhere', not everybody in 0.0 gets to autopilot over and x up to see if there is a fleet available; incursion running is essentially restricted to an alliance's own space. And since there are only a few incursions at a time, there has never been an actual incentive to keep appropriately fitted ships available in case one just happens to land in your space (out of the 36 nullsec regions). So for any given 0.0 pilot there is hardly ever an incursion available, and as a result incursion running has never developed as a profession in 0.0 simply because it's not viable. They do not have incursion FCs, incursion formup channels, or often even any sort of plan in place to deal with them. Also, the population density is much lower. There are ~288,000 highsec pilots with access to incursions, while the largest 0.0 alliance has less than 4% that number. Second, there is little incentive at an alliance level to get rid of incursions unless they happen to land on a beacon or jump bridge that can't be rerouted. This means that running incursions is not an alliance effort, but something line pilots would have to arrange themselves. Third, some people in null are actually more interested in shooting people than shooting rats. Strange, but true. Fourth, xdeath is in the middle of a giant ****ing war and just might have better things to do.
quote this again for those hisec bears
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ShipToaster
115
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:28:00 -
[497] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:Tippia wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Just a quick note, the 60bil/week number for incursions comes from the NPC news item posted by CCP and is an official number. We can argue permutations but I expect everyone here realizes that the level 4 number is a lowball. Link? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59084&find=unreadOr you could go fish through the NPC news.
I see nothing there from CCP and I cannot see anything about 60bil/week. it is in no way official as you claim.
The 621 billion a week figure is "questionable math by community leaders " and this figure could easily be an order of magnitude too low. The 3000 billion a week calculation I did is probably half of what it actually is. 6000 billion a week is the equivalent of injecting the isk from 500,000 hours of level four missions every week.
If we extrapolate based on stats we do know, then all the mission runners in EVE at most inject 450 billion created ISK a day (this is complex but 383,000,000 x 1000 isk plus some mission rewards at about 10%, some LP items have no isk sink value so I rounded up for simplicity). We can also estimate that all the mission runners in EVE earn close to 2250 billion ISK between them a day while incursion runners earn 400 billion to 800 billion a day.
I freely admit much of this is contestable and CCP Diagoras will be able to give us perfect numbers, but this will have to do until we get these perfect numbers.
I say incursions inject at least as much and possibly double the ISK that all mission runners do.
CCP Diagoras JOHN TURBEFIELD, Legendary Hero of EVE who speaks words of great truth wrote:As of midday on Friday 20th Jan, the previous 72 hours had seen 1.15 billion loyalty points handed out over 507k transactions Source https://twitter.com/CCP_Diagoras
I do not know if this number includes incursion runners or FW runners but works out at an average of 383 million loyalty points a day. A week would have been better as I assume weekends earn more. Incursion math? part 1 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=678400#post678400 part 2 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=698871#post698871 |
Tore Vest
157
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:34:00 -
[498] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Brumi Viri wrote:Quote:Dear Pilots,
Incursions were amazing while they lasted and magnified the appreciation have for Eve Online. Unlike 0.0 people I have a job that doesn't allow me to log in 24/7 to the game. As a casual gamer Incursions allowed me to earn enough isk for day to day activities.
I am hereby canceling my account.
I implore you do the same so CCP will listen and ban Griefing.
Someone please take charge of this movement and keep a log of all the people closing accounts.
Signed, Sad Hard Working Eve Pilot. As per my thread that was shut down. This is how I feel, and I am 100% committed if CCP does fix incursions. Tee Hee Proof that CSM want to destroy this game... Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:44:00 -
[499] - Quote
Keep trolling noobs
Keep ******* up empire and you'll see the consequences
Less new players Less new recruits Drop off in 0.0 PvP because older players quit and new players quit Industry i.e market prices hike because corps shut down who have industrial divisions Incursions become useless making anotehr aspect of eve that brings in new players gone Alliances start to die from lack of recruitment and new blood 0.0 regions become deadzones because of lack of players (see points above)
Are you getting the picture yet? Or shall i keep painting?
And as for the CSM, what a joke, they have never been useful, not now, not back then, not ever, human nature is to be selfish.
Unfortunatley people say *its my ingame personality*, no, psychology has proved that it would be the way you are in rl if it was accepted.
Bottom line is, the majority of EvE Players are players banned from other mmos for the same kinda behaviour and the so called *elite pvp corps* in Empire and *griefer corps* are slowly killing the game. I have seen so many corps die because they are 4 days old and get war decced by a random corp for no reason, the new players quit and go back on there xboxes.
CCP needs to fix empire, it should be 100mil to war dec corps a week driving the need for merc corps down forcing so called *mercs* into null sec alliances which would improve 0.0 pvp. Griefer corps would drop off because the isk would become an issue.
There are several fixes that ccp need to implement but they wont. Also mate id delete your post, all your gonan get is a bunch of nobodys trolling you saying *moar tears* and *go cry some more*. Mostly because they are nerdy, overweight socially rejected children who still live with there mummies and daddies because theya re scared of the real world and subsequently live on eve online which in effect becomes there life.
Just keep screwing empire, because u wont force players into null sec, ull force them to quit and eve will die altogether. You narrow sight means u cannot see the long term reprecussions of your own griefing and stupidity.
Hof Out |
Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:09:00 -
[500] - Quote
The reason why you guys have got Brick Squad invading Incursions is because they totally lost a null sec and have no place to go. I am certaain that's the Alliance that has installed Looser V skillbook. I mean seriously, there is no sov they can actually hold on thier own. So basically empire pubbies got the crap that null sec chewed up and spit out.
Maybe you guys can talk to some russian RMT alliance and subsidize them as renters. I thinks that the only way possible Brick Squad can live in null. This is all quite hysterical actually.... Empire Pubbies going.... ISK faucet turned off, not fair, I have to run Level 4's again free from any danger of being attacked... oh poor pubbies.... |
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Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:10:00 -
[501] - Quote
Oh and I wanted the #500 post as well... |
Elistea
G U N G N I R Y G G D R A S I L
46
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:46:00 -
[502] - Quote
Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that. As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP. Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that) Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2.
If CCP doesn't care - I don't care
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
546
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:51:00 -
[503] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rasZzenuYxI |
Elistea
G U N G N I R Y G G D R A S I L
46
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:59:00 -
[504] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rasZzenuYxI
Ty for Outro |
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:28:00 -
[505] - Quote
Elistea wrote:Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that. As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP. Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that ) Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2. If CCP doesn't care - I don't care
Join a 0.0 entity or start your own corp. You will get your social life back, you will be able to make money for PVP. Missions, 0.0 anos 0.0 incursions etc. Or unsub your last account. |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
10
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:50:00 -
[506] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote: Bottom line is, the majority of EvE Players are players banned from other mmos for the same kinda behaviour and the so called *elite pvp corps* in Empire and *griefer corps* are slowly killing the game.
Mostly because they are nerdy, overweight socially rejected children who still live with there mummies and daddies because theya re scared of the real world and subsequently live on eve online which in effect becomes there life.
I wouldn't join a corp run by someone as irrational and ignorant as you. Imagine the impression a new player gets when someone claiming to have played Eve for 5 years recruits them and starts crying and complaining about the game.
Furthermore ,it's players like you that cause a great many newbies to leave. You start a corp not knowing the first thing about Eve, invite a bunch of new players and fail to help or educate them about the game. Then, when things get tough, you run around crying 'griefer' and the new players think that every corp in Eve is as terrible as yours. There are thousands of good corps in Eve and there are thousands of bad ones too. If a new player joins a good corp he/she will have a much better time.
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Implying Implications
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
15
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:53:00 -
[507] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ |
Samantha Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:10:00 -
[508] - Quote
Elistea wrote: ... and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2. If CCP doesn't care - I don't care
If you're the type of player that isn't into eve for the long haul, your opinions about game changes doesn't and shouldn't count for much.
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Morgals
Sturm Reich Sturmgrenadier Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:49:00 -
[509] - Quote
Enjoy incursions but they do get stale. More dynamic vg's with more variable content so people don't min max as much. Maybe occasionally they will be long range fit and be far away, or use some e-war.
The brick thing is sort of silly but it really hurts casual players. I can only play 2h or so a night and if most of that is spent making 20 or so jumps to the next location I don;t actually get to play much. So logging in to do incursions does not happen.
In my 2h play period i want to get on and shoot stuff. Incursions lasting only 1 play period mean moving each day.
Incursions should stay in one place longer...that said incursions do not escilate.... Never seen a high sec incursion with penalties....for high sec the penalty system should be a lot harder to push. Looking for a mature, adult gaming community that has been active in EvE since 2004?Recruitment is open! Come join our public channel and get to know us. SGHQ-PUBLIC [url]http://sgeve.dai-coar.com/[/url] |
Eyeama Spy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:14:00 -
[510] - Quote
This is eve **** happens grow a pair and stop whinning on the forums |
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
57
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:27:00 -
[511] - Quote
Morgals wrote:Enjoy incursions but they do get stale. More dynamic vg's with more variable content so people don't min max as much. Maybe occasionally they will be long range fit and be far away, or use some e-war.
The brick thing is sort of silly but it really hurts casual players. I can only play 2h or so a night and if most of that is spent making 20 or so jumps to the next location I don;t actually get to play much. So logging in to do incursions does not happen.
In my 2h play period i want to get on and shoot stuff. Incursions lasting only 1 play period mean moving each day.
Incursions should stay in one place longer...that said incursions do not escilate.... Never seen a high sec incursion with penalties....for high sec the penalty system should be a lot harder to push.
I wonder if CCP is able to provide such a feature at some point down the road..
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John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:41:00 -
[512] - Quote
Don't worry about the incursion income. 4/10 plexes in high sec drop now the Pithum C-Type Invul. Fields. Their stats are idenical to Kaikka's invul. field and they go for around 1.5 bil atm. |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
739
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:59:00 -
[513] - Quote
John Maynard Keynes wrote:Don't worry about the incursion income. 4/10 plexes in high sec drop now the Pithum C-Type Invul. Fields. Their stats are idenical to Kaikka's invul. field and they go for around 1.5 bil atm.
But scanning is hard yo! Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Sarina Rhoda
Viral Target
6
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:59:00 -
[514] - Quote
Elistea wrote:Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that. As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP. Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that ) Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2. If CCP doesn't care - I don't care
You pretty much sum up here everything that is wrong with the general mentality of the highsec carebear population. This is the same tears and whining that has lead to so many bad/unnecessary nerfs and buffs throughout the history of eve. Its like a plague/virus this self created feeling of entitlement that seems to make you think that everything should be geared for your play style and made as easy for you as possible.
So far there is only pure speculation of a nerf and you are already threatening to quit. The income from incursions hasn't gone anywhere nor is it going to. It may be reduced but that is it, just reduced. Rather than adapt your income source or wait to see what is going to be suggested as a balance you head straight to the forums to whine and threaten to cut accounts.
Your so engrossed in how you play the game and how it should cater for you that you can't take the time to look at the overall picture and actually assess what is right for the good off the game. I've had many of my income streams dry up or change throughout my time playing eve, but each time I just adapt and find a new way to play.
(if its the incursions being cut short by brick squad that you are whining about the same argument about getting over it and adapting still applys) |
gfldex
294
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Posted - 2012.01.25 01:32:00 -
[515] - Quote
Elistea wrote:Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that. As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP. Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that ) Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2. If CCP doesn't care - I don't care
Please have a look at this screenshot. What you see there is the development of the plex price in the last year in Jita, the main market for this fine item of bittervet prolongment. Incursions where introduced about a year ago, you can see the price on the left. We are now at the price on the right.
It is right now fairly easy for you to plex your 3 account with running up to 2 hours of Incursions per day. Lets say you make 100M per day, every day (a fairly high picture frankly). You would earn 3B ISK per 30 days. If we take the growth of plex prices for the last 2 month and keep going for another 2 years (pretty unlikely, I know) you would have to pay 5BISK per month to keep your 3 accounts active.
I'm a griefer by heard. I really care about your feelings and I therefore beg you to stay with us. I really want to see your tears when you realise that the collected greed for faction shinies of your "social life" is forcing you out of the game.
Quite frankly, if you call farming the same NPCs (exactly the same NPCs) over and over again your "social life" you may want to look for professional help. I really mean it because I, as a griefer, recognise and care about other players feelings. More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining!
In contrast to general believe, interfaces to computer systems are not meant to be distractive. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2012.01.25 01:52:00 -
[516] - Quote
gfldex wrote:Elistea wrote:Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that. As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP. Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that ) Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2. If CCP doesn't care - I don't care Please have a look at this screenshot. What you see there is the development of the plex price in the last year in Jita, the main market for this fine item of bittervet prolongment. Incursions where introduced about a year ago, you can see the price on the left. We are now at the price on the right. It is right now fairly easy for you to plex your 3 account with running up to 2 hours of Incursions per day. Lets say you make 100M per day, every day (a fairly high picture frankly). You would earn 3B ISK per 30 days. If we take the growth of plex prices for the last 2 month and keep going for another 2 years (pretty unlikely, I know) you would have to pay 5BISK per month to keep your 3 accounts active. I'm a griefer by heard. I really care about your feelings and I therefore beg you to stay with us. I really want to see your tears when you realise that the collected greed for faction shinies of your "social life" is forcing you out of the game. Quite frankly, if you call farming the same NPCs (exactly the same NPCs) over and over again your "social life" you may want to look for professional help. I really mean it because I, as a griefer, recognise and care about other players feelings.
You know PI also came out at about the same time as incursions. Hum which do I think is causing inflation, a couple people running incursions or the removal of a massive isk sink (NPC POS fuels). |
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:10:00 -
[517] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:gfldex wrote:Elistea wrote:Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that. As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP. Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that ) Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2. If CCP doesn't care - I don't care Please have a look at this screenshot. What you see there is the development of the plex price in the last year in Jita, the main market for this fine item of bittervet prolongment. Incursions where introduced about a year ago, you can see the price on the left. We are now at the price on the right. It is right now fairly easy for you to plex your 3 account with running up to 2 hours of Incursions per day. Lets say you make 100M per day, every day (a fairly high picture frankly). You would earn 3B ISK per 30 days. If we take the growth of plex prices for the last 2 month and keep going for another 2 years (pretty unlikely, I know) you would have to pay 5BISK per month to keep your 3 accounts active. I'm a griefer by heard. I really care about your feelings and I therefore beg you to stay with us. I really want to see your tears when you realise that the collected greed for faction shinies of your "social life" is forcing you out of the game. Quite frankly, if you call farming the same NPCs (exactly the same NPCs) over and over again your "social life" you may want to look for professional help. I really mean it because I, as a griefer, recognise and care about other players feelings. You know PI also came out at about the same time as incursions. Hum which do I think is causing inflation, a couple people running incursions or the removal of a massive isk sink (NPC POS fuels).
Both of them?
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gfldex
294
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:12:00 -
[518] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote:You know PI also came out at about the same time as incursions. Hum which do I think is causing inflation, a couple people running incursions or the removal of a massive isk sink (NPC POS fuels).
PI does not generate ISK nor does it do so in highsec. I have 15 planets myself and they are good ISK - in lowsec. That's where highsec incursion runners wont go. The money that I earn with my 15 planets has to come from somewhere. Moon goo can't be it because it's moon goo and not ISK. Sanctums are less ISK then Incursions and there are a lot fewer of them then there used to be. Missions provide a nice ISK sink with the LP shop and they where not changed in the last year.
I'm terribly sorry but the only place where that ISK can come from are Incursions. It would be nice when CCP would step up and provide some hard numbers but for some strange reason I doubt they will do that any time soon, because it would put them between a rock and a hard place. The rock are the stressed out Incursion runners and the hard place are the "griefers".
Ohh, and PI did not came at the same time then Incursions. It came with Dominion.
Dominion Release date: December 1st, 2009. Incursion 18 January 2011: New character creator, and Sansha's Nation incursion content (incursions actually start on 25 January)
source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Eve_Expansions
I do not claim to be an expert in math but you seam to be more then a year off target. More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining!
In contrast to general believe, interfaces to computer systems are not meant to be distractive. |
Sicex
29
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:14:00 -
[519] - Quote
Elistea wrote:Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that. As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP. Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that ) Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2. If CCP doesn't care - I don't care
A community grown around a short lived, broken system is a Den of Thieves.
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Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
238
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:25:00 -
[520] - Quote
Elistea wrote:Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that. As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP. Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that ) Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2. If CCP doesn't care - I don't care Still, once your mascara has stopped running, with regards to the greedy "augustus gloop" like farming at least you can say, you were there toots. Black Man with Goggles |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
19
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:25:00 -
[521] - Quote
to the OP: It's really sad that you should be forced to go through this. I just want you to know that you're not alone here. The silent majority of EVE is out there, fighting alongside you to help CCP see what really matters in EVE. These hapless morons who have nothing better to do than grief others don't really have a life--they thrive on the pain and suffering of others because they are too weak to face their own pain over being a worthless good-for-nothing. But it's not right for them to bring their ineptitude upon the rest of us. I support your fight against griefing!
Thanks for the post. It was good to hear a friendly voice on the forums, but I really have got to get back to the incursion-griefing channel. We're plotting our next big move!! ^0^ |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1275
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:28:00 -
[522] - Quote
gfldex wrote:Jas Dor wrote:You know PI also came out at about the same time as incursions. Hum which do I think is causing inflation, a couple people running incursions or the removal of a massive isk sink (NPC POS fuels). PI does not generate ISK nor does it do so in highsec. I have 15 planets myself and they are good ISK - in lowsec. That's where highsec incursion runners wont go. The money that I earn with my 15 planets has to come from somewhere. Moon goo can't be it because it's moon goo and not ISK. Sanctums are less ISK then Incursions and there are a lot fewer of them then there used to be. Missions provide a nice ISK sink with the LP shop and they where not changed in the last year. I'm terribly sorry but the only place where that ISK can come from are Incursions. It would be nice when CCP would step up and provide some hard numbers but for some strange reason I doubt they will do that any time soon, because it would put them between a rock and a hard place. The rock are the stressed out Incursion runners and the hard place are the "griefers". Ohh, and PI did not came at the same time then Incursions. It came with Dominion. Dominion Release date: December 1st, 2009. Incursion 18 January 2011: New character creator, and Sansha's Nation incursion content (incursions actually start on 25 January) source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Eve_ExpansionsI do not claim to be an expert in math but you seam to be more then a year off target.
Both you and Jas are partly wrong.
The introduction of PI removed the NPC Seeding of POS Fuels (a large Isk Sink). Inflationwise, an Isk faucet and removing an Isk sink are equivalent.
That said, it cost ~150m a month per POS, half of that was PI stuff, so ~75m per large POS, and ~20000 POSes (IIRC from some CCP post), so it was a 3T Isk monthly sink. Incursions are bigger than that. Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
gfldex
295
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:31:00 -
[523] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Thanks for the post. It was good to hear a friendly voice on the forums, but I really have got to get back to the incursion-griefing channel. We're plotting our next big move!! ^0^
I heared goonies are asking for tornado pilots. Is this related? More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining!
In contrast to general believe, interfaces to computer systems are not meant to be distractive. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
19
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:33:00 -
[524] - Quote
gfldex wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Thanks for the post. It was good to hear a friendly voice on the forums, but I really have got to get back to the incursion-griefing channel. We're plotting our next big move!! ^0^ I heared goonies are asking for tornado pilots. Is this related?
I wouldn't know. We're not really goon wannabes... |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
164
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Posted - 2012.01.25 07:59:00 -
[525] - Quote
Oh noez!
Apparently I got banned from TDF for...well, something-or-other re: griefing Incursion-runners.
I like how I can apparently grief someone in an Incursion without ever once having had anything to do with Incursions, ever (aside from killing a few Incursion belt-rats on an alt once or twice...), or the people that farm them 23.5/7.
I hope CCP doesn't declare this automatic passive tear-generation an exploit too soon, anyway. Gotta feed my own risk/effort-aversion, after all!
Oh, right, found it again: Banned for "griefer thread targeting incursion runners."
Oh well, I'll adapt: Shield-tanking >>>> armour-tanking, anyway.
E: Why are half the people in that blacklist showing no reason for their banning, btw? That shows real principle and honour, eh, carebears? NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2012.01.25 08:18:00 -
[526] - Quote
make all on vanguard sites pay more make all sites take a bit longer more sites per constellation 3 day minimum for incursions |
Elistea
G U N G N I R Y G G D R A S I L
48
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Posted - 2012.01.25 08:22:00 -
[527] - Quote
Sarina Rhoda wrote:Elistea wrote:Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that. As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP. Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love that ) Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2. If CCP doesn't care - I don't care You pretty much sum up here everything that is wrong with the general mentality of the highsec carebear population. This is the same tears and whining that has lead to so many bad/unnecessary nerfs and buffs throughout the history of eve. Its like a plague/virus this self created feeling of entitlement that seems to make you think that everything should be geared for your play style and made as easy for you as possible. So far there is only pure speculation of a nerf and you are already threatening to quit. The income from incursions hasn't gone anywhere nor is it going to. It may be reduced but that is it, just reduced. Rather than adapt your income source or wait to see what is going to be suggested as a balance you head straight to the forums to whine and threaten to cut accounts. Your so engrossed in how you play the game and how it should cater for you that you can't take the time to look at the overall picture and actually assess what is right for the good off the game. I've had many of my income streams dry up or change throughout my time playing eve, but each time I just adapt and find a new way to play. (if its the incursions being cut short by brick squad that you are whining about the same argument about getting over it and adapting still applys)
Wow such a rage over simple announcement. My post wasn't ment as QQ - i dont feel any sadness nor am i pissed. Just dissapointed how easily can be large scale game feature exploited. Quitting part is just natural outcome till problem is fixed. I am not fixated to EVE only like (obviously) some of us.
I also like social aspect of incursions and i don't dont see why i should change my EVE routine because bunch of bankrupt pubies cant have their way. So ill just w8, have a lil break and get back when issue is fixed.
You kinda neglected to notice that i dont do incursions on regular bases and i do them only to fund my PVP. Also in my prev post i've admited rewads for sites should be adjusted.
If this makes me carebear - guilty is charged
This alone makes your whole post senseless and pitiful.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1276
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Posted - 2012.01.25 08:57:00 -
[528] - Quote
Herping yourDerp wrote:make all on vanguard sites pay more make all sites take a bit longer more sites per constellation 3 day minimum for incursions
... You want to give Incursions (esp VGs) a Buff? Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Borlag Crendraven
EVE University Ivy League
22
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Posted - 2012.01.25 09:03:00 -
[529] - Quote
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong Abusing a broken system gj
How exactly is it abusing a broken system? If you think about it, intentionally leaving the mothership intact so that people can farm isk has more grounds on being labeled abusive than the opposite.
Personally I don't really care that incursions are being taken down by people. Sure I do them occasionally for few hours to get isk, but after I get enough to plex the account, buy the ship I want or even just have enough to be able to afford to replace the ship I already own but want to be able to replace it as well I simply stop. Why? Because incursions aren't even fun. If it's the social aspect that interest in them, you can just as easily probe down a wormhole and run the sites there with buddies. As an added benefit you have the possibility of some pvp as well. To me that's a win win situation no matter how I look at it. Incursions are just (un)neccessary evil. |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
35
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Posted - 2012.01.25 11:28:00 -
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Elistea wrote:i don't dont see why i should change my EVE routine because bunch of bankrupt pubies cant have their way
In shocking news today, an incursion farmer thinks everything is about money.
More at 2100. |
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
164
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:44:00 -
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ATT'N: All carebears in this thread, and in general.
There is more to EVE than grinding ISK, especially when you're only doing it...so you can make even more ISK more quickly.
That is all. NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
182
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:07:00 -
[532] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:ATT'N: All carebears in this thread, and in general.
There is more to EVE than grinding ISK, especially when you're only doing it...so you can make even more ISK more quickly.
That is all. Didn't you hear, the one with the biggest pile of ISK at the time of biomass wins ... something. |
gfldex
298
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:19:00 -
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The next incursion was taken down early tonight. After successfully blueballing the enemy by Darius III in his leroy logistic, we went in and took the mom down by the smallest fleet ever to attempt so. Despite an army of suicide blackbirds that where not effective because of the constant whining about suicide ganks and the resulting CONCORD spawn timer nerf, we took only 3 losses in a fight of fame and glory against the Sansha-Invaders that raged on for more then halve an hour. Nobody ever finished the mom site with less then 30 players because the only thing highsec carebears are interested in is ISK.
The glory is with the griefers as it should be.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
251
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:23:00 -
[534] - Quote
gfldex wrote: Despite an army of suicide blackbirds that where not effective because of the constant whining about suicide ganks and the resulting CONCORD spawn timer nerf, lmfao |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
165
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:26:00 -
[535] - Quote
gfldex wrote:The next incursion was taken down early tonight. After successfully blueballing the enemy by Darius III in his leroy logistic, we went in and took the mom down by the smallest fleet ever to attempt so. Despite an army of suicide blackbirds that where not effective because of the constant whining about suicide ganks and the resulting CONCORD spawn timer nerf, we took only 3 losses in a fight of fame and glory against the Sansha-Invaders that raged on for more then halve an hour. Nobody ever finished the mom site with less then 30 players because the only thing highsec carebears are interested in is ISK.
The glory is with the griefers as it should be.
Yes...Yes!
Imagine that:
"Griefers" doing PvE content as it's supposed to be done.
Savour the irony, ISK-farmers, saaaaaaavour the irony. NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
165
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:30:00 -
[536] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:make all on vanguard sites pay more make all sites take a bit longer more sites per constellation 3 day minimum for incursions ... You want to give Incursions (esp VGs) a Buff?
From what I can see, they don't need nerfing or buffing per se, it's the loophole in the mechanic/s that allows the easier ones to be farmed 23.5/7 that needs closing.
If you consider that a nerf, then well...
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
295
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:31:00 -
[537] - Quote
gfldex wrote:The next incursion was taken down early tonight. After successfully blueballing the enemy by Darius III in his leroy logistic, we went in and took the mom down by the smallest fleet ever to attempt so. Despite an army of suicide blackbirds that where not effective because of the constant whining about suicide ganks and the resulting CONCORD spawn timer nerf, we took only 3 losses in a fight of fame and glory against the Sansha-Invaders that raged on for more then halve an hour. Nobody ever finished the mom site with less then 30 players because the only thing highsec carebears are interested in is ISK.
The glory is with the griefers as it should be.
You made my night. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
gfldex
298
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:35:00 -
[538] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:From what I can see, they don't need nerfing or buffing per se, it's the loophole in the mechanic/s that allows the easier ones to be farmed 23.5/7 that needs closing. If you consider that a nerf, then well...
And if you do the hard ones on asian difficulty you get nothing. And you don't want to do that anyway. Because the more player you have in your fleet the faster you get it done and the easier it gets to compensate losses. There is no reason for you to take any risk because you would get less reward if you would do so. This is EVE turned upside down.
But I'm quite happy because I podded one of the blackbird guy. His constant rudeness in written form did not serve him well. The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:58:00 -
[539] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Jas Dor wrote:One ship pop a month/month and a half of playtime? That's about the same rate of ship loss per pilot as the alliance I was in (on the goon side) was taking during the the BoB/Kenny war. If we get lucky TiDi might up that number substantially, but the average line pilot in 0.0 is not loosing a bunch of ships (dictor and bad inty pilots are another story). I lose anything between 2-10 maelstroms every month, depending on how many fights we have, and how competent the enemy is. That's not a risk, that's a certainty.
According to battleclinic you haven't had a kill since 2010. I'm just going to hazard a guess that you're an alt of somebody high enough up in Goonswarm to pull a little bit of extra aggro. One loss a month doesn't hold true if you're FCing.
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Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:03:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Jas Dor wrote:You know PI also came out at about the same time as incursions. Hum which do I think is causing inflation, a couple people running incursions or the removal of a massive isk sink (NPC POS fuels). PI does not generate ISK nor does it do so in highsec. I have 15 planets myself and they are good ISK - in lowsec. That's where highsec incursion runners wont go. The money that I earn with my 15 planets has to come from somewhere. Moon goo can't be it because it's moon goo and not ISK. Sanctums are less ISK then Incursions and there are a lot fewer of them then there used to be. Missions provide a nice ISK sink with the LP shop and they where not changed in the last year. I'm terribly sorry but the only place where that ISK can come from are Incursions. It would be nice when CCP would step up and provide some hard numbers but for some strange reason I doubt they will do that any time soon, because it would put them between a rock and a hard place. The rock are the stressed out Incursion runners and the hard place are the "griefers". Ohh, and PI did not came at the same time then Incursions. It came with Dominion. Dominion Release date: December 1st, 2009. Incursion 18 January 2011: New character creator, and Sansha's Nation incursion content (incursions actually start on 25 January) source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Eve_ExpansionsI do not claim to be an expert in math but you seam to be more then a year off target.
It also came with little 500m3 rocket ships that you had to go fetch the container for after launch. Purchase of NPC POS fuels use to to be an ISK sink. It no longer is. Considering the money I'm making from PI, it is a very large ISK sink that is no longer there.
Oh, and you're doing it wrong.
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Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:47:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:From what I can see, they don't need nerfing or buffing per se, it's the loophole in the mechanic/s that allows the easier ones to be farmed 23.5/7 that needs closing. If you consider that a nerf, then well... And if you do the hard ones on asian difficulty you get nothing. And you don't want to do that anyway. Because the more player you have in your fleet the faster you get it done and the easier it gets to compensate losses. There is no reason for you to take any risk because you would get less reward if you would do so. This is EVE turned upside down. But I'm quite happy because I podded one of the blackbird guy. His constant rudeness in written form did not serve him well.
Sigh, I wonder if mixing the blackbirds with some ships loaded with T1 neuts would work better. Something like this:
[Moa, Suicide]
Medium Energy Neutralizer I Medium Energy Neutralizer I Medium Energy Neutralizer I Medium Energy Neutralizer I Medium Energy Neutralizer I Medium Energy Neutralizer I
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Medium Capacitor Battery I Warp Disruptor I Stasis Webifier I
Reactor Control Unit I Reactor Control Unit I Reactor Control Unit I Reactor Control Unit I
[Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot]
Hornet EC-300 x3
Logistics might have an ungodly sensor strength but getting your capacitor killed is never fun. Not sure if it's worth swapping a weber for a painter. A logistics main defense is a damn small sig radius. Maybe two ships with webs to each one with a painter. Slow it down, increase its sig radius and hope that's enough for the NPCs to pop it. Also Cap battery can be replaced with a large T1 shield extender, but I'm not sure how much good that is going to do you.
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Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
12
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Posted - 2012.01.26 06:10:00 -
[542] - Quote
I'm just so happy that the silly little incursion bears made an attempt to grief us tonight. Sure they only managed to get a couple ships killed and we still finished the site but it's just wonderful to see them slowly turning into griefers themselves. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1166
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Posted - 2012.01.26 06:12:00 -
[543] - Quote
That had to be the lamest mass suicide jamming attempt I ever saw.
Even I, who fails at every MMO ever played, could have thought of a better way to do that.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
mUfFiN fAcToRy Psychotic Tendencies.
890
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Posted - 2012.01.26 06:23:00 -
[544] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:That had to be the lamest mass suicide jamming attempt I ever saw.
Even I, who fails at every MMO ever played, could have thought of a better way to do that.
In fact that was the only mass suicide jamming attempt I've ever seen. Probably because of how lame and ineffective it was |
Umega
Solis Mensa
59
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Posted - 2012.01.26 06:26:00 -
[545] - Quote
I was there
Hats off to the logi pilots.. I asked n got needed reps on que every time, even before I signal'd need sometimes.
Ewar gank swarm.. TS troll attack (which was hilarious more so than a problem).. honestly am glad you guys attempt to fight back and doing what makes EVE great, welcome to our world. My apologizes.. not 'our world'.. welcome to EVE.
Lesson of the day.. only T2 was logi ships.. no faction ships, probably very few if any faction mods.. T1 battleships (+ cap problems, come on guys!).. very low numbers without scorpions support.. and through everything it was a success. Lesson being, quality of ships don't mean **** when compared to the quality of the pilots.
I now have a memory of an epic encounter against overwhelming odds, taking a signficant risk and going for it reguardless.. and coming out on top. A memory more valuable, and longer lasting.. than my wallet blinking with disneydollars.
PS - Yes, posted this on CnP. I feel my experince needs to be conveyed to a wider audience so they too might be compelled to take the fight into their own hands as well, for either side.. makes no difference to me. |
Jaigar
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
34
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Posted - 2012.01.26 07:08:00 -
[546] - Quote
Suicide Jam Squads fail because sansha just love dem jam ships... |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
534
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Posted - 2012.01.26 08:50:00 -
[547] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:ATT'N: All carebears in this thread, and in general.
There is more to EVE than grinding ISK, especially when you're only doing it...so you can make even more ISK more quickly.
That is all. I know that |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
180
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Posted - 2012.01.26 09:39:00 -
[548] - Quote
You know, it is pretty cool that they at least came up with something and TRIED it... Regardless of how effective or ineffective it was.
IMHO much better than the constant complaining about griefers and lack of action to do anything about it that I expected.
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/01/26/game-on-incursion-bears-strike-back-at-incursion-greifers/ |
Thutmose I
Tiger Knights Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 10:44:00 -
[549] - Quote
afik the main issue with incursions that needs to be fixed is the ease of isk printng, which causes inflation, they are too easy for the amount of isk made from them, so if bricks are closing them quickly, i approve :) |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
180
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Posted - 2012.01.26 11:18:00 -
[550] - Quote
Jas Dor wrote: It also came with little 500m3 rocket ships that you had to go fetch the container for after launch. Purchase of NPC POS fuels use to to be an ISK sink. It no longer is. Considering the money I'm making from PI, it is a very large ISK sink that is no longer there.
There's still a sink there though. https://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagoras/status/161801656156160002
Not the hugest sink in the world, but the taxes are still taking a bite. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities. |
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Aramatheia
Traveler 52 D-Collective
16
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:02:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong
the problem is the arbitrary min max timers on incursions are all out of whack.
At least in regard to the fact people can play for 10 hours a day, run vg's at a site per 4 mins and do all this for a week straight. Thats excessive and probably not what ccp intended.
On the other side of the coin is the people who close an incursion within hours of it spawning, often closing all readily accessable ones leaving a couple low/null sec sites (in someone elses controlled space).
Put a 1-2 day min timer on the incursion spawn, but reduce isk for vg's or put a limit on vg sites. despawn vg sites after a set amount of site kills. Yes this will impact those shiney fleets and people i know personally. But i think even they would agree that a reduced payout from vg's beats no incursions at all lol
I dont think either the farmers or the instapoppers are exploiting anything, i think both are rolling with the fact that, the min max timers exist as they do so they will play them to such extremes |
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