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Riley Craven
Caldari Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Riley Craven on 25/09/2007 18:18:45 I try to always stay current on eve News. I read all the patch notes, dev blogs, etc.
It seems to me since Rev 1 and Rev 2 that most patches are almost pointless.
The known issues page has always been huge and yet I see very little issues getting fixed with in any patches
So my question to the devs is, what is the purpose of patches that fix minor issues (such as language), >>>>>WITHOUT MAKING THE KNOWN ISSUES PAGE SMALLER<<<< (Thats the main point for the clueless) Are you hiding exploit fixes in there and just want to put out some other reason for a patch or something?
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:12:00 -
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whats the point in not fixing "minor" issues?
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Nox'Beldrath
Mayven Omni Gestalt
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:14:00 -
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Minor issues never seem to stay minor for long. ____________ M.O.G. Army |
Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:14:00 -
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So why shouldn't the devs fix minor issues? Regarding the language fixes, I bet they're pretty big deals if you're using a non-english version of EVE...
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Riley Craven
Caldari Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nox'Beldrath Minor issues never seem to stay minor for long.
Your point... major issues never seem to stay major for long (they get bigger)
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Gear Ratio
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:15:00 -
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I believe this was probably the major point of the patch:
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* Multiple database procedure updates and optimizations have been added, this results in a greatly reduced amount of load on the SQL servers and improved server stability.
Probably they put a bandaid or a quick fix with the database issues earlier, to keep Tranquility running, then took their time to produce a more stable or better thought out fix. The other issues were probably things they were working on that came along in this build. ------------------- 4 8 15 16 23 42 108 |
Waxau
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:16:00 -
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"Yeah CCP! Stop fixing minor issues! We whine about you to fix them, but we dont EXPECT you to! Do your damn jobs....oh wait - You are."
Does that little bit of dialog i made, make it clearer for you?
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Riley Craven
Caldari Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Thanos Draicon So why shouldn't the devs fix minor issues? Regarding the language fixes, I bet they're pretty big deals if you're using a non-english version of EVE...
I can sorta see your point but still, These boards are english boards as much as the game is an english game...
If you had the choice would you rather a minor text bug be fixed or
"The range of ECM bursts is not affected by the Frequency Modulation skill. "
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Riley Craven
Caldari Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Waxau "Yeah CCP! Stop fixing minor issues! We whine about you to fix them, but we dont EXPECT you to! Do your damn jobs....oh wait - You are."
Does that little bit of dialog i made, make it clearer for you?
I'm not complaining they are fixing minro issues... I am complaining that the known issues page doesnt get smaller... kapiesh?
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:18:00 -
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are you really that deluded?
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Riley Craven
Caldari Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Riley Craven on 25/09/2007 18:23:37
Originally by: Tortun Nahme are you really that deluded?
That depends on what time of day it is, how much food I've had or havent had, and if sleep depravation is invovled or not...
That being said, English IS the languge of these boards, that will be the case no matter how many Germans, Russians, Spanish, etc play this game.
In any case, my question wasnt in regards to this patch only, my question was in regards to patches since Rev 1 was released.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 25/09/2007 18:23:29 so therefore the english players are more important and anything the devs do for the non-english speakers is an unacceptable waste of time?
you might want to stop while you are ahead
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Craven I can sorta see your point but still, These boards are english boards as much as the game is an english game...
Have you met Red Alliance? This statement is really ignorant.
Quote: If you had the choice would you rather a minor text bug be fixed or
"The range of ECM bursts is not affected by the Frequency Modulation skill. "
Sorry dude, but it's not up to us to decide. And since I don't use ECM bursts, I couldn't care less.
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Riley Craven
Caldari Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 25/09/2007 18:23:29 so therefore the english players are more important and anything the devs do for the non-english speakers is an unacceptable waste of time?
you might want to stop while you are ahead
That was neither said nor implied. What was said was that I am tired of seeing patches like these (note including more than this patch alone) that dont make the known issues board smaller... instead it grows...
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Gear Ratio
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Craven That was neither said nor implied. What was said was that I am tired of seeing patches like these (note including more than this patch alone) that dont make the known issues board smaller... instead it grows...
Perhaps the known issues weren't threatening their server integrity as much as the database lookups that they did the sql optimization for in this patch.
Just because Localization was the biggest section, doesn't mean that was the point of the patch. ------------------- 4 8 15 16 23 42 108 |
Riley Craven
Caldari Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: Riley Craven That was neither said nor implied. What was said was that I am tired of seeing patches like these (note including more than this patch alone) that dont make the known issues board smaller... instead it grows...
Perhaps the known issues weren't threatening their server integrity as much as the database lookups that they did the sql optimization for in this patch.
Just because Localization was the biggest section, doesn't mean that was the point of the patch.
Good point, now what about all the other seemingly pointless patches?
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Craven Good point, now what about all the other seemingly pointless patches?
Like?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:39:00 -
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As others have said, language issues are a bigger issue than you would think, can you imagine what would happen if you logged into eve and then suddenly, everything was in a different language than your mother-tongue, or any other language you could understand?
What if suddenly one of those little warning boxes pop up while your flying through space quite content and you cant read what its saying because its in some wierd arabic (just ane example) format and you dont know if its just a server outage or a warning for a concord response, you get the idea i hope.
Its a well known fact that small bugs turn into big bugs which just get bigger, and you know what happens? known issues gets bigger the more that small bugs arent fixed, ironic huh?
Anyway, some bugs are hard to catch, and with a code like eve's (disclaimer i'm not saying i know anything about code here) which has possably millions of entry lines or whatever, its probably murder even to catch the small ones, i'm quite content with small patches, even if known issues only gets bigger as you say.
All that means is that awareness is increasing, more bugs are being found, which the bug-fixing-team will slowly but surely, work through to fix, eradicate or nuke etc.
Anyway, is the river that dry you have to complain about something like this? c'mon!
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.09.25 18:58:00 -
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Whoa... people whining about patches... that's a new one...
So they're minor fixes, fine. Does that mean they shouldn't have been fixed?
Should CCP also fix major issues? Most definitely, but who tells you that they aren't doing that? Because they released a patch with no major fixes? Do they now need to have at least 1 major fix per patch so they can release it?
Your whole argument makes no sense, in my opinion. They're fixing things, just because it doesn't benefit you directly doesn't mean it isn't making EVE a better game. The issues in the "known" page will get fixed eventually, some things are just easier to fix than others.
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Kasriel
Caldari Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.09.25 19:03:00 -
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i know a few people who would rather current problems were solved than new features were added, though this is true for any mmo they're always going to be a 'work in progress' seems like people have missed the point of the OP which isn't that a patch full of language updates isn't important it's that there are still alot of known issues that the generaly attitude seems to be 'live with it'
that said in response to the people jumping to the defence of none english speaking / reading w/e players the game is - last time i looked at least - geared towards those players and always has been, the website is in english (i haven't seen any options to change this) and so are the forums, i'm all for increasing player base by appealing to a wider array of people but it's not like the game was in say russian and suddenly switched to english so one comparison i've seen just doesn't work :)
anyway theres my 2 cents ----------
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2007.09.25 20:47:00 -
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The main reasons for this patch are the three top bullet items in the patch notes (DB and Voice) and the last one (CONCORD). We had hoped to get them out in Revelations 2.2.1 but time ran out.
Later this week we are deploying Revelations II to our Chinese cluster, Serenity. That is the reason for all the localisation fixes in this patch.
I'm a huge proponent of short development cycles; release early, release often; agile, scrum, xp; to get the fixes out as soon as possible. Obviously there is a balance but I don't think we're releasing too often yet. In fact, as discussed in Oveur's dev blog, we're fixing a lot of issues on our November expansion and working on a new update delivery system that will allow us to patch more easily and more often in the future.
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.09.25 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Waxau "Yeah CCP! Stop fixing minor issues! We whine about you to fix them, but we dont EXPECT you to! Do your damn jobs....oh wait - You are."
Does that little bit of dialog i made, make it clearer for you?
The problem that people have is that there are patches that address issues not affecting %99.9 of the player-base, but then everyone is affected when the patch throws a monkey wrench into the works.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.25 21:04:00 -
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I'd rather have a series of small patches over the course of the year than one giant patch at the end of the year that people will complain about anyways. At least this way CCP gets more feedback spread out over time so they can act with up-to-date knowledge. ---
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Mikal Drey
Angels and Demons
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Posted - 2007.09.25 21:16:00 -
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hey hey
iirc eve was always patched pretty much weekly and the DB and "issues" got sorted over and over again. this was **** to play and you were always catching up after each patch and the client had a tendency to crash after each patch.
Then they changed to background patching and during DT problems were hotfixed. After each hotfix you normally got another hotfix a few days later just to fix the hotfix problems. This also was **** to play
Then patches seemed to vanish and eve was only patched in the BCP. this was slightly better but issues remained issues for quite some time.
This "new" method of BPC>> 0.2, 0.22, .2221, 02.233 etc etc is actually pretty cool and you can see that they are actually trying to improve the game in a more efficient manner.
Personally I support this patch issues slowly and when they are actually solved method.
Excuse me if my patch method memory is a little thin and slightly inaccruate (statistics being made up on the spot and **** like that)
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Shiner BockBeer
Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt
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Posted - 2007.09.25 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
The problem that people have is that there are patches that address issues not affecting %99.9 of the player-base, but then everyone is affected when the patch throws a monkey wrench into the works.
Need for Speed affects 100% of the playerbase.
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Frash
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.09.25 21:21:00 -
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Hah, no patches. I haven't played Eve long, but from what I heard the UI sucked and several other elements that we love in the game didn't exist.....
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.09.25 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shiner BockBeer
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
The problem that people have is that there are patches that address issues not affecting %99.9 of the player-base, but then everyone is affected when the patch throws a monkey wrench into the works.
Need for Speed affects 100% of the playerbase.
You are aware of the patches to which I refer. Ones that simply fix the wrong NPC's appearing in missions, or NPC's dropping the wrong loot, etc.
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Arana Tellen
Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.25 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Originally by: Waxau "Yeah CCP! Stop fixing minor issues! We whine about you to fix them, but we dont EXPECT you to! Do your damn jobs....oh wait - You are."
Does that little bit of dialog i made, make it clearer for you?
The problem that people have is that there are patches that address issues not affecting %99.9 of the player-base, but then everyone is affected when the patch throws a monkey wrench into the works.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.09.26 01:34:00 -
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/lol@thisthread..
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KoolKrewl
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.26 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
The problem that people have is that there are patches that address issues not affecting %99.9 of the player-base, but then everyone is affected when the patch throws a monkey wrench into the works.
and what happens when you are part of that 0.1%?
and afaik no minor patch has caused major problems.
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