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Naphtalia Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.09.26 22:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Naphtalia on 26/09/2007 22:23:25 I would like to congratulate Electus Matari in their impressive battleground results in Vullat In Honour of the killing of the killing of the Caldari Para Military Eagle, Eos and Falcon I have sent one of my aides to round up all the slaves and slavers captured during our campaigns, and freed the slaves. I would be honoured if you'd accept the transfer of a little over 8000 freed slaves and 4 slavers that were stuck in the same loot stockpiles. Regards, Naphtalia ((edit: spelling)) www.guristas.com
Naphtalia Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.09.26 22:21:00 - [2] Edited by: Naphtalia on 26/09/2007 22:29:00 I would like to congratulate Electus Matari in their impressive battleground results in Vullat In Honour of the killing of the Caldari Para Military Eagle, Eos and Falcon I have sent one of my aides to round up all the slaves and slavers captured during our campaigns, and freed the slaves. I would be honoured if you'd accept the transfer of a little over 8000 freed slaves and 4 slavers that were stuck in the same loot stockpiles. Regards, Naphtalia ((edit: spelling)) www.guristas.com
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.26 22:43:00 - [3] Thank you very much. We will get to work on reuniting these people with their families and helping them get settled in free lives. Another 8,446 Matari returned home. Thank you. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.09.26 22:47:00 - [4] Congratulations to Electus Matari, and good look with further operations against the State Loyalists in CONCORD restricted space. It's always entertaining to see them take a beating. >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
Ladel Teravada Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.09.27 03:38:00 - [5] This is not a official post from CAIN command or CAIN membership of a whole, just a personal adress to this ludicrous statement as I do not want to see my pilots efforts drawn into shame. CAIN, a third the size of Electus Matari alliance, sent out a force HALF the size of the Electus Matari fleet that had a extreme benefit of outnumbering our EW ships with at least 3 to 1, fully knowing the odds. Attacking the EM fleet at a safespot of theirs we decimated half their fleet and held the field even with additional support of theirs coming in from other systems. None of the pilots that willingly flew against a force superior in numbers and EW had any regrets afterwards and considered the venture one of success even at the loss of some fairly high-cost ships. For further information I'd like to refer to the weekly reports to be found at http://cain.excidium.net as a report of the last weeks activities should appear there in the next few days. Commodore Ladel Teravada Executive Officer, Fleet Operations
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.27 04:48:00 - [6] Regardless of the respective fleet composition, Mr. Teravada, I just enjoy watching you and yours squirm.
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium	Posted - 2007.09.27 06:26:00 - [7] Congratulations to Electus Matari, well fought CAIN. Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 06:47:00 - [8] Edited by: Evanda Char on 27/09/2007 06:51:18 Originally by: Ladel Teravada This is not a official post from CAIN command or CAIN membership of a whole, just a personal adress to this ludicrous statement as I do not want to see my pilots efforts drawn into shame. CAIN, a third the size of Electus Matari alliance, sent out a force HALF the size of the Electus Matari fleet that had a extreme benefit of outnumbering our EW ships with at least 3 to 1, fully knowing the odds. Attacking the EM fleet at a safespot of theirs we decimated half their fleet and held the field even with additional support of theirs coming in from other systems. None of the pilots that willingly flew against a force superior in numbers and EW had any regrets afterwards and considered the venture one of success even at the loss of some fairly high-cost ships. For further information I'd like to refer to the weekly reports to be found at http://cain.excidium.net as a report of the last weeks activities should appear there in the next few days. Yes, we had superior numbers. Our force of 3 heavy Ruptures, 3 Stabber elite fast attack ships, 2 of our notorious Thoraxes, a Celestis, Blackbird, Vexor and Caracal engaged a heavily disadvantaged CAIN gang of 3 Drakes, a Rupture, Eos and Absolution fleet command ships, an Eagle, Falcon, Deimos, and Basilisk. (All ships in the Electus Matari gang can be purchased from our alliance - enquire today or visit the market anywhere in Republic space!) This event has merely attracted publicity because of recent statements from a CAIN diplomat outlining how utterly beaten we are. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Ladel Teravada Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.09.27 07:34:00 - [9] Edited by: Ladel Teravada on 27/09/2007 07:34:50 Originally by: Evanda Char Edited by: Evanda Char on 27/09/2007 06:51:18 Yes, we had superior numbers. Our force of 3 heavy Ruptures, 3 Stabber elite fast attack ships, 2 of our notorious Thoraxes, a Celestis, Blackbird, Vexor and Caracal engaged a heavily disadvantaged CAIN gang of 3 Drakes, a Rupture, Eos and Absolution fleet command ships, an Eagle, Falcon, Deimos, and Basilisk. 2 Drakes (one which lost control of his ship as his systems failed after just a few seconds into the fight), Rupture (landed 150km off and didn't participate in the fight until the EM fleet was already fleeing), Absolution, Eos, Eagle Caracal and Falcon. The Deimos, Basilisk and Drakes barely even made it to the looting (flown by pilots who had lost ships in the same engagement). You also missed among other ships a Curse Recon Class of yours. Quite impressive the way he did 4km/s as he zoomed off. I do not blame you for trying to bend the truth though... You were after all not there. Commodore Ladel Teravada Executive Officer, Fleet Operations
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 07:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Ladel Teravada You also missed among other ships a Curse Recon Class of yours. Quite impressive the way he did 4km/s as he zoomed off. As that Curse pilot... yes, quite impressive. Glad to provide you something to shoot at. I believe that omission was an honest mistake from Evanda, as you note she could not make it that particular picnic. I do apologize for bringing a high-tech ship to the fray, I really should have joined my corpmates in flying off-the-shelf cheap hulls. I blame my Gallente upbriging; I can't resist the fake-wood paneling, leather seats and luxury fuzzy dice that decorate my refitted Amarr recon. The next step is to paint the thing red, I'm told that helps.

Barashin Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 07:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Ladel Teravada I do not blame you for trying to bend the truth though... You were after all not there. But I was. We fielded 14 Ships, 1 was a Curse. You fielded 12 ships in total after 3 of your pilots returned, 2 were cruisers the rest were battle cruisers, heavy assault ships and command ships. You appear to be wanting to play a numbers game... so do I, just the numbers we choose to count are different. You pick number of ships and I'll pick how much they're worth. Barashin
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 07:57:00 - [12] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 27/09/2007 07:58:33 Ladies, gentlemen -- this was just one battle in a long war, even if it was one that at least I personally enjoyed more than the rest of them so far put together. Making too much out of it in either direction is beneath us all. I thank the GURIS representative for their kind act, but note that freeing slaves does not excuse criminal acts of violence in Republic space, and that issue is still between us and unsettled. Elsebeth Rhiannon as a private person -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Naughty People The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.09.27 08:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon I thank the GURIS representative for their kind act, but note that freeing slaves does not excuse criminal acts of violence in Republic space, and that issue is still between us and unsettled. We wouldn't do anything with the intention of excusing our operations. We don't make excuses for what we do. Of course, it's worth noting publicly that we didn't come to Molden Heath to engage in 'criminal acts of violence.' However, your friends and neighbors couldn't take us at our word. If they had thought before acting, they might have realized that our temporary presence would have been beneficial, in an off-handed way. You see, when pirates agree to halt operations against civilian shipping, the only people we have left to shoot are other pirates. But rather than let us do all of the residents of MH a favor, they decided to attack us. Now we're busy returning the disfavor, and every Matari ship that we loot is due to their lack of prudence (and our concentrated firepower, of course). Now, if you or your friends decide to try and 'settle' our operations in Molden Heath, you know where to find us. _
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 09:39:00 - [14] Edited by: Evanda Char on 27/09/2007 09:39:07 Originally by: Ladel Teravada I do not blame you for trying to bend the truth though... You were after all not there. I do have to sleep sometime, commodore. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 09:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 27/09/2007 07:58:33 Ladies, gentlemen -- this was just one battle in a long war In a surprising twist now, I will agree with Else and say that we should all hold off claims of victory until after the war is over, whenever that would be. CAIN, save your crowing on past efforts. Pinning yourself as 'winning' so far is no indication of the future. And drop the numbers games and excuses of being outnumbered. Your people have hardly sought to charge into battle without massive odds on your side to begin with. No sensible general would either. Take that compliment for what it is worth. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Naphtalia Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.09.27 10:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 27/09/2007 07:58:33 Ladies, gentlemen -- this was just one battle in a long war, even if it was one that at least I personally enjoyed more than the rest of them so far put together. Making too much out of it in either direction is beneath us all. I thank the GURIS representative for their kind act, but note that freeing slaves does not excuse criminal acts of violence in Republic space, and that issue is still between us and unsettled. Elsebeth Rhiannon as a private person It isn't an excuse but an act of respect and honour. Our aggression in Molden Heath, as my brother Ledoux so undiplomatically phrased, is all legal, and targeted at valid targets, however this debate should take place at your diplomatic forums, and not here. We have no interest in a war with the Matari people or the Matari nationalists and we regret having to broaden our Rules of Engagement due to the act of a few gun-ho people in Molden Heath. Elsebeth, Brother Ledoux, I would respectfully ask you to take this debate to the TAS or EM diplomatic forums, this is a thread of celebration, the profit of pillaging CAIN vessels and the freedom of Matari returned home to their families. If there is to be an unfortunate war between our people it will be over words between myself and Lady Char, and I have no intention of residing any longer in Molden Heath then my mission requires. Respectfully, Naphtalia Verone www.guristas.com
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 10:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Darius Shakor In a surprising twist now, I will agree with Else You will have to stop doing that, Darius, it makes me nervous about the timeframe we have left before the impending end of the universe. Originally by: Naphtalia Elsebeth, Brother Ledoux, I would respectfully ask you to take this debate to the TAS or EM diplomatic forums To Mr. Ledoux, Ms. Verone -- my apologies for any perceived slight on your integrity. I do believe that despite having beliefs and policies I strongly disagree with, you are consistent in following them. I am, also, painfully aware of the events that have lead to this extremely bloody annoying situation we have at our hands. Rest assured that any final calls in the matter will be made by Commander Char, not by myself. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Ladel Teravada Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.09.27 10:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Naphtalia , the profit of pillaging CAIN vessels Actually, since Electus Matari was driven off the field, all "pillaging" fell to CAIN. Commodore Ladel Teravada Executive Officer, Fleet Operations
Barashin Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Ladel Teravada Originally by: Naphtalia , the profit of pillaging CAIN vessels Actually, since Electus Matari was driven off the field, all "pillaging" fell to CAIN. Well enjoy all our tech 1 kit, our entire fleet was worth less than your EOS which as it happens went down quicker than the token colony joy girl on payday.
IzzyChan Naqam	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Ladel Teravada Originally by: Naphtalia , the profit of pillaging CAIN vessels Actually, since Electus Matari was driven off the field, all "pillaging" fell to CAIN. Yarr. Loving the pirate life are we? Good job Electus Matari for teaching CAIN that guts wins over e-war. Keep that mojo going. I'm disappointed in CAIN, however...whining and making excuses over a small skirmish like this. :( --------------------

Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:51:00 - [21] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 27/09/2007 11:55:12 Originally by: IzzyChan Good job Electus Matari for teaching CAIN that guts wins over e-war. Guts don't win over EW. EW, guns, and cunning win over EW. This skirmish was won not by guts but by good planning, good leadership, good execution, good discipline by all pilots present, some EW of our own, and, I suspect, some critical mistakes by CAIN. I hope we can repeat the experience, but as I said above, this was but one battle in a long war. I would advice against being proud enough to draw any conclusions about the enemy based on it and on how they respond to it. Confidence kills more pilot ships than EW and guts put together. (EDIT: damned naughty word filter) -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:01:00 - [22] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/09/2007 12:03:08 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/09/2007 12:01:17 Originally by: Ladel Teravada Originally by: Naphtalia , the profit of pillaging CAIN vessels Actually, since Electus Matari was driven off the field, all "pillaging" fell to CAIN. A point which the terrorists and pirates seem to have overlooked. I was not present at this particular engagement, but it seems to me that in general holding the field against a numerically superior force is to be considered a (possibly pyrrhic in this case) victory. Well done CAIN. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:05:00 - [23] Holding the field? What field? Being able to dock in Vullat? Oh dear, we must be doomed. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
G0rF Gallente The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:36:00 - [24] Edited by: G0rF on 27/09/2007 12:45:36 Damnit... Double post.
G0rF Gallente The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Rodj Blake I was not present at this particular engagement, but it seems to me that in general holding the field against a numerically superior force is to be considered a (possibly pyrrhic in this case) victory.Well done CAIN. Numerical Superiority? 14 T1 Cruisers against 12 Mixed HACs, Recons and Command ships. Oh yes... We didn't go to hold the field, we went to raid. In Cruisers (and a Recon). We succeeded. As for the loot, it'a all T1 junk, they're welcome to it. I suggest they sell it, buy themselves another nice shiny Eos for us to waste with our cheapo cruiser fleets. Next time, maybe we'll pop over in T1 frigates, if you would like to assemble a load of Ravens, we'll see if we can kill the one in the middle. Then we'll head back here and Rodj can remind us that we had "numerical superiority" - I love that Amarrian Humour.
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.09.27 14:13:00 - [26] The fact that Electus Matari has been forced to resort to "raids" on their own home territory, against an opponent they outnumber by nearly 3 to 1, when they have logistical, intelligence and combat support from at least two or three known pirate and terrorist groups as well as a number of other Minmatar paramilitary forces, should tell anyone watching all they need to know. Yesterday's battle was only the second time during our current operation that they have even been able to challenge Reserve space superiority, and both times it has ended with Electus Matari forces fleeing the battlefield while taking heavy losses. That fact that Electus Matari has been so desperate for a "victory," any type of victory, during this campaign that they call what happened yesterday a success shows just how delusional they have become. It is impossible to deny that Electus Matari inflicted considerably more damage, in terms of expense, to the Reserve than they suffered yesterday. If this operation consisted of only this battle, and was only over a question of how much money each side was forced to spend, perhaps that might matter. In actuality, this battle only illustrates that after nearly two weeks of combat, Electus Matari continues to be unable to seriously challenge Reserve superiority in the area, that any significant combat force they put together is quickly dispersed, and that they can't or won't field heavy or advanced ships against the Reserve for fear of losing more than they already have. Reserve goals for this operation continue to be achieved quite handily, and Electus Matari's most significant achievement so far appears to be getting a boon from the same cutthroats and thieves pillaging the Republic's less savory spacelanes. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 14:24:00 - [27] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 27/09/2007 14:26:06 Again I ask, what space superiority? You being able to dock in Vullat? You know as well as I do that there is no real way to drive any capsuleer organization out of any given area; the best you can so is give them some hell in operating there. We have kept your gangs docked at least as many times as you have ours. Which is not very often... If you labour under the illusion that your presence has been able in any way stop Electus Matari normal operations, I suggest you look into whether your military intelligence advisors feel comfortable giving you bad news. I admit the KIA war did affect a slight change in our SOP, something no other organization whatsoever has been managed to do to Gradient ever before. KIA were able to pull that one off only because we knew that one of our own, who knew our operations very well, had joined them not week before the declaration. You come nowhere close to that threat level or the kind of operations they can wield. Sure, you can move around in Vullat and the neighboring systems. Now tell me, why should we care that you do? This is a war you declared, not us. We have no obligation to destroy you where you do not bother us. We have no wish whatsoever to divert our resources from our standard work to give you the battles over pride that you want to have. We might raid you occasionally if the fancy takes us -- but as long as you are not seriously disturbing our operations, you flatter yourself overly too much by thinking we are seriously concentrating on driving you out. Or do you openly admit that you are in the Republic space not to bother EM, but as an open attack against the Republic in general? Cause that might change matters. (( Edit: grammar )) -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Ramus Clay Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.27 14:34:00 - [28] Yet another tiny step towards safety and freedom of our people. My warm congratulations to Electus Matari! Stand ever vigilant, brothers and sisters.
Barashin Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 14:39:00 - [29] Edited by: Barashin on 27/09/2007 14:42:21 Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet The fact that Electus Matari has been forced to resort to "raids" on their own home territory, against an opponent they outnumber by nearly 3 to 1, when they have logistical, intelligence and combat support from at least two or three known pirate and terrorist groups as well as a number of other Minmatar paramilitary forces, should tell anyone watching all they need to know. Yesterday's battle was only the second time during our current operation that they have even been able to challenge Reserve space superiority, and both times it has ended with Electus Matari forces fleeing the battlefield while taking heavy losses. That fact that Electus Matari has been so desperate for a "victory," any type of victory, during this campaign that they call what happened yesterday a success shows just how delusional they have become. It is impossible to deny that Electus Matari inflicted considerably more damage, in terms of expense, to the Reserve than they suffered yesterday. If this operation consisted of only this battle, and was only over a question of how much money each side was forced to spend, perhaps that might matter. In actuality, this battle only illustrates that after nearly two weeks of combat, Electus Matari continues to be unable to seriously challenge Reserve superiority in the area, that any significant combat force they put together is quickly dispersed, and that they can't or won't field heavy or advanced ships against the Reserve for fear of losing more than they already have. Reserve goals for this operation continue to be achieved quite handily, and Electus Matari's most significant achievement so far appears to be getting a boon from the same cutthroats and thieves pillaging the Republic's less savory spacelanes. CAIN Superiority in the area? Any significant combat force they put together is quickly dispersed? Can't or won't field heavy or advanced ships against the Reserve for fear of losing more than they already have? Sorry Svetlana it is clearly you that are delusional. For 2 weeks you have hidden behind and piggy backed the KIA war dec. Now that is no more your tactics have changed. If we show up in a fleet of battleships you run and hide unless you out number us 2 to 1, we turn up in a squad of 6 frigates and you send out 12 battle cruisers.Very brave. If your idea of superiority of the area is staying holed up in Vullat then clearly you have it. Yesterday we turn up in a cruiser fleet hoping to actually get you to fight, which fairs fair you did, but again you only undock when you think you have the advantage. We were actually surprised that you didn't undock all in battleships to be honest, oh wait you did, at the end Ravens started turning up. This is war and it's not fair, it's about winning, if you feel you have to always have larger numbers combined with superior ships so be it, I wouldn't hesitate to do the same to you. But then we don't need to as we have superior pilots. But do not try and draw the attention away from the fact that you engaged a weaker fleet which you assumed you would crush which caused you significantly more damage. Imagine what would happen if we did field a stronger fleet and you had the courage to fight us? One day we may meet on an even footing and on that day it will be interesting indeed. Barashin ((edit - forgot to sign))
Barrick Stormsworn Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:23:00 - [30] Salut, Naphtalia. I still maintain that the enemy of my enemy is simply my enemy's enemy, nothing more and nothing less. Nevertheless, you have my respect and thanks for the lives of my brothers and sisters. Would that you had released them sooner, but at least they are home. As for CAIN, I've yet to see them in combat. Oh, I've chased them around occasionally, and I handed them a ship once as a dummy-test (I think the cost of their ammo was more than the ship was worth, and it still took 7 of them over a minute and a half to take it down), but KIA were the real aggressors in Molden Heath. CAIN just tied themselves to KIA's coat strings and watched a real company fly. I've never been rebuffed as I was when flying against KIA. Didn't lose a ship against them, but I wasn't able to touch one of their pilots either. Very impressive. KIA's gone now, and CAIN's efficiency is dropping. The best part is that most of our gear is cheap or free, and CAIN has been buying their ships and mods from us See you in space. When I lose my Rifter taking down your Vulture, feel free to call it a victory all you want. It's not my wallet that'll be crying.

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