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Tropic9
Rage Academy oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.09.28 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Tropic9 on 28/09/2007 10:57:10 Edited by: Tropic9 on 28/09/2007 10:56:39
Originally by: Akita T Freighter ? Not needed. But an Occator/Viator would have been a good idea.
You and the other members of the 'get a transport ship' club are funny.
http://shiny.euphoria-released.com/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=744&scl_id=14
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WhiteSnake
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.09.28 11:00:00 -
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hmmm checking maza nostra's killboard I ve seen some pretty good gankings those guys are real pro's in what they doing maybe you have to add them in your address book, check their timezone, and haul your stuff when they are not online. not to mention to cross your fingers while jumping in. good luck and I am sorry for your loss.
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2007.09.28 11:01:00 -
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Clue: you did a very stupid, lazy thing by transporting all this stuff in an indy.
You can learn from your stupid, lazy mistake or you can cry about it. What you can't do is demand CCP change the game to accomodate your stupidity and your laziness.
Clear?
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.28 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tropic9 Edited by: Tropic9 on 28/09/2007 10:57:10 Edited by: Tropic9 on 28/09/2007 10:56:39
Originally by: Akita T Freighter ? Not needed. But an Occator/Viator would have been a good idea.
You and the other members of the 'get a transport ship' club are funny.
http://shiny.euphoria-released.com/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=744&scl_id=14
You cannot kill my nanoed viator in highsec if I am using wtz. It warps far too quickly for a battleship to lock it.
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Will Fireblade
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.09.28 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Anson Halleck Suicide ganking is OK, as long as few problems are fixed:
a) attackers don't get insurance
I think this one does not need any explanation, getting insurance for loss caused by law enforcement after you committed crime is plain stupid
b) attackers get higher security hits
It should be harder to repetitively use same characters for suicide attacks in high security space. CONCORD has some records, don't they?
c) attacker's partners are attacked by CONCORD for stealing loot
I guess this is point where most of people won't agree. From my point of view, suicide ganking in empire should be possible and valid tactic for causing loss to your victim - by destroying their ships and part of cargo. But it should not be possible to profit from it by stealing victim's property under sight of police officers.
In other words, let people sucidide gank to cause damage and losses, but not for profit. Not in high security space.
How about you back and play WoW were everything and everyone are happy.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.09.28 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tropic9 Edited by: Tropic9 on 28/09/2007 10:57:10 Edited by: Tropic9 on 28/09/2007 10:56:39
Originally by: Akita T Freighter ? Not needed. But an Occator/Viator would have been a good idea.
You and the other members of the 'get a transport ship' club are funny.
http://shiny.euphoria-released.com/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=744&scl_id=14
Interesting.. But I'd wager that most were afk autopilot with empty mid slots to go along with the empty cranium..
Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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General StarScream
Cybertronic Decepticons
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Posted - 2007.09.28 11:43:00 -
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Ye i agree with OP, its just a waste of time to do it, its rude and hurtfull to other players.
what we should have insted, is a system so we can wardec singel people.
you dont like him? or you know he transport stuff around.
then for a fee of 100m you can make a personal War dec.
i think this would be better.
Ganking people in high sec should not be possible.
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.09.28 11:54:00 -
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Hi Mate sad to hear about your loss,
I belive a logical solution for suicide ganks would be to use a cloaking device, I know that u could be uncloaked by bumping something, and it will take ages to fly out of the gankers range, but yes it does seem a bit impossible to escape a suicide gank.
However if every hauler was to start cloaking then the gankers may start using fast ships to bump you out of cloak,
The technique for insta cloaking is, when you appear in the system double click in any direction, then half a second later click the cloak, you should only appear in overview for a millisecond, if it is quite busy at the gate they shouldnt see you, as i say it will take ages to get out of a gankers range as flying when cloaked is slow, i dont see any other way.
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.09.28 11:55:00 -
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High-Sec ganking was never an issue before WoW players started to get bored and come over to eve. Now they all want it to be WoW with Spaceships.
Once upon a time there was no concord. Think about THAT, and realise EVE is a PvP game, not happy fluffy animals go hauling all day. If you don't like it, play something else! ============================================
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Culdees
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Posted - 2007.09.28 12:02:00 -
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as linked to before, this is ccps view on this-
-------------------- "Kamikaze attacks
Despite the lack of absolute safety, empire space is still relatively safe. The biggest threat to the average player in Empire space is the risk of ôkamikazeö attacks when carrying a cargo of noteworthy value. Just like on modern day earth, the risk of attack rises with the amount of money sticking out of your pockets. If attacking you becomes a lucrative enough option, the best of neighbourhoods may become unsafe for you to walk around in.
Some players are willing to lose ships and their good standing with Concord for the hope of quick profit from a juicy loot drop. The ôkamikazeö attackers usually work in pairs or groups. They scan the cargo holds of bypassing pilots flying easily destructable ships until they see something worthy of a ship loss. They then blow up the ship and and while Concord do what they do best, a second character picks up the loot from the shipÆs wreck.
This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space. "
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this is the most childish thing i have ever read in an official "rule" or announcement. 'just like on modern day earth', well let me see. earth- 1. there is one death 2. pirates dont attack for ego 3. known pirates are not allowed to just sit there (protected) by the police waiting for prey 4. known pirates dont get insurance claims paid on their loses when they fail at their job. 5. pirates can estimate what exists in the hold of a ship, but can never really be sure. 6. THERE ARE NO SPACESHIPS ON EARTH
so lets get rid of the comparison crap. there just is no comparison on any level. it comes down to the way the game rules are set out, and this set of rules are biased towards the few that really do scream the most on this board. the must have a ganking (regardless of threat level) a day to enjoy life group, which all in all makes for a very poor experience for the other 25,000 people online at any one time. i am sure most would love fleet battles before this rubbish, but that is the answer to the problem...
if you read this general discussion area it is 99% people posting to others to stop whining, when in fact it is them that whine over and over about any sniff of a complaint or godforbid a change to make game mechanics more friendly for the masses. it tends to go with the way the game is developed, for the few that scream the loudest. the silent masses just sit back,cancel accounts and leave. suits the few and ccp as far as i can tell, because they cannot handle the numbers anyway.
ccp and their old player base friends dont want you playing their game op.
the answer to the problem is to present the problem in a way ccp can understand its evolution. of course maybe ccp do in fact want to shut down aspects of the game that it doesnt see as important.
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2007.09.28 12:12:00 -
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.09.28 12:14:00 -
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haulers have just got to take their job more seriously, hauling is more than just clicking auto pilot u know.
You have to understand that if your carry 2 billion in stock its highly likely u will lose it, i mean come on u haulers aint stupid, your just a bit impatient, why wont you split your load into 10 trips? why wont u use the cloaking technique i mentioned earlier?
Stop being lazy and using auto pilot to carry stuff and work even harder for your profit.
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Gila Munja
The Eton Rifles
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Posted - 2007.09.28 12:16:00 -
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I suggest there should be a low slot module that goes in place of cargo expanders.
This is called a Secure Explosive Container.
It drops the cargo capacity of your ship, but gives a greatly improved chance that whatever is contained in your cargo hold is blown to smithereens on destruction.
Say 20% extra per module fitted, usual stacking penalties apply so you can't get a 100% definite.
This meets all the usual Eve "cause and effect" type criteria as farm as I'm aware.
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I SoStoned
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Posted - 2007.09.28 12:19:00 -
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CCP needs only implent a cargo masking device and suicide ganking will end. Especially if people fly around all day in haulers that carry only that inexpensive device. After a few months of loosing even inexpensive suicide boats only to get nothing but a sec hit and insurance payout a lot of suicides will dry up.
Cargo Manifest Counterfeiter (Cargo item, not fitted module) -50% cargo capacity Provides random returns on cargo scanning (based on the full cargo capacity of the ship, not the -50% reduced capacity).
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.09.28 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Gila Munja I suggest there should be a low slot module that goes in place of cargo expanders.
This is called a Secure Explosive Container.
It drops the cargo capacity of your ship, but gives a greatly improved chance that whatever is contained in your cargo hold is blown to smithereens on destruction.
Say 20% extra per module fitted, usual stacking penalties apply so you can't get a 100% definite.
This meets all the usual Eve "cause and effect" type criteria as farm as I'm aware.
Your solution sounds a bit too far fetched, with a cloaking device at least the haulers will have a very good chance of survival with their ship and goods intact. Haulers just be an insane paranoid cloak ***** at each gate and youll be ok
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2007.09.28 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: I SoStoned CCP needs only implent a cargo masking device and suicide ganking will end.
We know it woud be easy for CCP to prevent it. The point is, they do not wish to.
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SupaFlyTNT
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.09.28 12:34:00 -
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We were going to give Maza a disciplinary for your loss but the committee saw a butterfly through the window and well....that was the end of that really.
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Nycha
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:00:00 -
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I got attacked 3 times the last eleven days. Survived 2 attacks, lost 100 million to a partly t2 fitted suicide-dominix. Im using secure contis, dont buy the items, dont afk hauler. The 3rd attack I hadnt cargo at all, I basically left jita station, pressed jump to gate and than somebody started shooting at me. Im not rich, 100 million is a hit for me, but I doubt its a large sum for many here. Its currently enough to a) sit in a industrial b) undock from jita to be interresting enough for someone to risk a ship.
Its pretty obvious that currently the costs to suicide kill industrials in high-sec are very manageable. There is nearly no risk at all destroying ships, the only problem is the technical aspect of the kill and a standing loss. For me it seems to be more some kind of sport killing indys at the moment with the big advantage of (hopefully) getting some nice additional reward. The link posted earlier shows it pretty good: http://shiny.euphoria-released.com/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=744&scl_id=14
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Culdees
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron haulers have just got to take their job more seriously, hauling is more than just clicking auto pilot u know.
You have to understand that if your carry 2 billion in stock its highly likely u will lose it, i mean come on u haulers aint stupid, your just a bit impatient, why wont you split your load into 10 trips? why wont u use the cloaking technique i mentioned earlier?
Stop being lazy and using auto pilot to carry stuff and work even harder for your profit.
i am not a hauler, but it i will field a logical response to that. lazy? i think the haulers 'job' would be the tedious nature of jumping so many gates over and over. lazy is sitting at a gate waiting for money to jump in so you can grab it.
1)risk v reward - minimal risk for ganker, major reward
2)secure space is not secure- the claim is that police punish not prevent, but they do not punish the gankers, they punish the victim. the insurance covers gankers, but not the victims cargo.
3)this is a harsh world, live with it- well this is a harsh world for the hauler, but not for the ganker so it seems. harsh.. heh insurance payouts heh.
4)carry cheaper/less etc- well fine, that works it is of course a nerf for the haulers and be treated as such.
5)dont use warp to zero- means nothing if the camp is done right
cloak and other options relating to time sinks should be considered as nerfs to transporting goods, which is exactly what i was talking about before. this maybe ccps plan, to nerf transports.
i mean if you really want to nerf these unbalanced isk gain issues, then make t2 bpos turn up from time to time. heh i would love to see that get through the eve inner circle. this game stinks of elitism in every sense.
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RoSsCs
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:05:00 -
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the killmail: http://shiny.euphoria-released.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=38462
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heheheh
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: PauZotoh Zhaan Destroyed: Iteron Mark V [...] so explain me how to prevent from happening it? I had shield extenders, and dont tell me to get freighter.
Freighter ? Not needed. But an Occator/Viator would have been a good idea.
Just so you know, as you obviously dont, The setup used by the bomber in the OP would easily be able to take an occator or viator.
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WisdomLikeSilence
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:09:00 -
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Cargo insurance?
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heheheh
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS Occator | Viator will help here,
Suicide crews loose their ships
no, geddon with megapulse 2s > occator/viator
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Captian Internet
Lead Bricks
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Culdees
Originally by: Aaron haulers have just got to take their job more seriously, hauling is more than just clicking auto pilot u know.
You have to understand that if your carry 2 billion in stock its highly likely u will lose it, i mean come on u haulers aint stupid, your just a bit impatient, why wont you split your load into 10 trips? why wont u use the cloaking technique i mentioned earlier?
Stop being lazy and using auto pilot to carry stuff and work even harder for your profit.
i am not a hauler, but it i will field a logical response to that. lazy? i think the haulers 'job' would be the tedious nature of jumping so many gates over and over. lazy is sitting at a gate waiting for money to jump in so you can grab it.
How do you feel about fishing?
Changes to Local,War ,Navigation Shortcuts |
Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tropic9 Edited by: Tropic9 on 28/09/2007 10:57:10 Edited by: Tropic9 on 28/09/2007 10:56:39
Originally by: Akita T Freighter ? Not needed. But an Occator/Viator would have been a good idea.
You and the other members of the 'get a transport ship' club are funny.
http://shiny.euphoria-released.com/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=744&scl_id=14
you wouldnt be able to scan a stabbed viator though m8 so hush.
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I SoStoned
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:14:00 -
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Amazing, I must just be foolishly lucky...
... in four years playing Eve I've had one suicide attack against one of my haulers while I was AFK. It was carrying 100m worth of invention gear, so I guess the trio of BC pilots and their attendant loot hauler thought it worth suiciding.
Unfortunately they didn't recon with the fact that, since the quantity of cargo was small, I had fitted 5 overdrive IIs. No extra shield, no AB. Just overdrives. So instead of AFK slugging to the gate at less than 100 m/s it was cruising at 320. Without being webbed it cruised through all 3 BCs and jumped out in hull while CONCORD created 3 new wrecks.
The moral of the story? PUT JUNK ON YOUR SHIP!!! Even if it's just a T1 hauler, fill those slots! Even another layer of tissue paper will give you that much more survivability. If I'd fitted extenders I would have jumped out with more than 7% hull and still cruised through at 320 m/s.
And that was the first suicide gank I've ever been the victim of... after 4 years in game.
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Thrust SSC
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:15:00 -
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CCP doesn't need to fix anything, nor do they need to add modules just because you are an idiot. Don't let the door hit you on your way out. Bye.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:53:00 -
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No-one in shiny shield tanks Gallente WTF are you on about.
WTB Stabber!
*snip* Do not use your signature to troll or insult other EVE players even if the little dweebs deserve it! -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |
Gary Payne
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Posted - 2007.09.28 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: RoSsCs Edited by: RoSsCs on 28/09/2007 13:07:01 shame about the loss: http://shiny.euphoria-released.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=38462
hell look at that loot... even i would suiside my ship for all that.. well done guy. these greedy traders need putting in there place :D safe space isnt `safe` its SAFER. GET real.
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Culdees
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Posted - 2007.09.28 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Captian Internet
Originally by: Culdees
Originally by: Aaron haulers have just got to take their job more seriously, hauling is more than just clicking auto pilot u know.
You have to understand that if your carry 2 billion in stock its highly likely u will lose it, i mean come on u haulers aint stupid, your just a bit impatient, why wont you split your load into 10 trips? why wont u use the cloaking technique i mentioned earlier?
Stop being lazy and using auto pilot to carry stuff and work even harder for your profit.
i am not a hauler, but it i will field a logical response to that. lazy? i think the haulers 'job' would be the tedious nature of jumping so many gates over and over. lazy is sitting at a gate waiting for money to jump in so you can grab it.
How do you feel about fishing?
i enjoy fishing, very relaxing, but i have to say if a fish suddenly poped its head out of the bucket and told me off for taking him away from his underwater footy game or whatever, i dont think i would enjoy fishing any more at all!
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