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Chadwyk
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Posted - 2007.09.28 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Chadwyk on 28/09/2007 11:59:59
So we know that lvl 5 and lvl 6 missions and probably lvl 4 are all good rewarding missions with good isk to make, problem is briefly, ganking, griefing, camping.
All of these words r refered to as abusing game mechanics to the benefit of the attacker in the player misconduct clause, it's not what the game is made for,however it's what the mechanics of the game allow.
Alliances and corps taking over systems where mission runners of hi lvl agents r gonna have to travel to their systems, and no it's not fun to pvp when u r about to lose 300 mil of isk that took you over 6 months in hi sys to make.
Still as you been around in eve for 6 months even if you are a gang and go there to 0.0 u cannot beat players who have been around for years, and when you r old enough in eve to go run missions there, they r even older and better.
Ok they r intended for capital ships only and caps cant jump in hi sec, but trust me u r never gonna b able to get urself a cap doing lvl 3 missions in hi sec and eventually ull wind up living withing the empire's dull universe forever or join other alliances in low sec that if they accept u or maybe pay ur way thru i dunno.
The risk however can b minimized to an extent if simply making more than one entry point when jumping thru a gate, while it reduces the risk greatly of being ganked and camped, still you can b probed, but u have the privilege of going into a low sys and a chance to survive and run away.
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 12:02:00 -
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Eve is a massively multiplayer online game, with nonconsensual PVP. Get some friends or join a better group, for sure the game mechanics allow to kill you in 0.0, it was intented to be like this, and the player misconduct clause has nothing to do with it.
Thread over.
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Chadwyk
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Posted - 2007.09.28 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Chadwyk on 28/09/2007 12:06:42
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Get some friends or join a better group Thread over.
u obviously havnt read all the thread
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Akira Zendragon
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.09.28 12:34:00 -
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Friendly advice:
You might get people to actually bother to read the thread if you actually bothered to make it readable... I just got a headache trying to read all that.
It's "you", "are", "you'll" and so on... [center] Join channel "Eve University" or go [url="http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=332 |
Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:22:00 -
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I think the point is they require teamwork to get you around and in low sec and one of the rewards of better teamwork is the chance to try some lvl 5 and lvl 6 missions. but trust me, these things are not soloable anyway for the vast majority
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Chadwyk
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Chadwyk on 28/09/2007 13:32:40
Originally by: Akira Zendragon Friendly advice:
You might get people to actually bother to read the thread if you actually bothered to make it readable... I just got a headache trying to read all that.
It's "you", "are", "you'll" and so on...
I want ur opinion not ur advice about my writing skills
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Zenobite
Flying Under the Influence
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Chadwyk Edited by: Chadwyk on 28/09/2007 12:33:37
So we know that lvl 5 and lvl 6 missions and probably lvl 4 are all good rewarding missions with good isk to make, problem is briefly, ganking, griefing, camping.
All of these words r refered to as abusing game mechanics to the benefit of the attacker in the player misconduct clause, it's not what the game is made for,however it's what the mechanics of the game allow u to do....
Are you saying that other players are abusing the game by attacking other players? If so you really are in the wrong game.
From what I can work out you want multiple entrances into 0.0 systems so you can run missions in player controlled space, what I don't understand is your justification for this, if a miner/industlist or ratter wants access to alliance space they can join the alliance or make a deal with them, what makes you so special that you deserve a free ride?
Also I'm getting a headache trying to read this, its not at all clear what your getting at.
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Chadwyk
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Posted - 2007.09.28 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Chadwyk on 28/09/2007 13:39:59
Originally by: Zenobite
Originally by: Chadwyk Edited by: Chadwyk on 28/09/2007 12:33:37
Are you saying that other players are abusing the game by attacking other players? If so you really are in the wrong game.
From what I can work out you want multiple entrances into 0.0 systems so you can run missions in player controlled space, what I don't understand is your justification for this, if a miner/industlist or ratter wants access to alliance space they can join the alliance or make a deal with them, what makes you so special that you deserve a free ride?
Also I'm getting a headache trying to read this, its not at all clear what your getting at.
It's ulterly rediculous that some players r taking over stargates and camping around it they r even switching shifts limiting any1 possibility to access their space, do u find that fun and challenging really coz if u do, then i guess i took u for the wrong person to bother replying to ur thread.
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Zenobite
Flying Under the Influence
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Posted - 2007.09.28 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Zenobite on 28/09/2007 14:34:37 Edited by: Zenobite on 28/09/2007 14:33:40
Originally by: Chadwyk
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It's ulterly rediculous that some players r taking over stargates and camping around it they r even switching shifts limiting any1 possibility to access their space, do u find that fun and challenging really coz if u do, then i guess i took u for the wrong person to bother replying to ur thread.
It really doesn't matter if you find it fun and challenging, alliances have worked to control systems, why should you have free access to their systems when you've contributing nothing.
You still haven't given any reason why mission deserves preferential treatment over the rest of the playerbase.
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Chadwyk
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Posted - 2007.09.28 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Chadwyk on 28/09/2007 14:45:21
Originally by: Chadwyk
.... It really doesn't matter if you find it fun and challenging, alliances have worked to control systems, why should you have free access to their systems when you've contributing nothing.
You still haven't given any reason why mission deserves preferential treatment over the rest of the playerbase.
Do you think that having been a new player urself u would have been able to reach these systems, maybe u did few years ago, check players count now, there r really no chances for new players to fit in we are just roaming around empire space making but a little isk how do u expect us to stand up to the challenge ur offering, and its never gonna hurt any1 to see their way thru stargates theyr jumping thru right??? so whats ur deal really?
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Grismar
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2007.09.28 14:58:00 -
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I can tell you this much: if you can't be bothered to address the good people on these forums in normal English, the odds of getting a serious answer are next to nothing. Your warning is less funny and more to the point than you probably realized yourself when you wrote it...
It would appear though that your basic point is that it's too hard for new players to get into 0.0 without getting killed. You either need an escort or some other way that involves the services of more experienced pilots to get there.
True, well known fact and really nothing that can or will be done about it, since it is how it has always been and CCP has never moved to change it. Either make friends with people that have a safe way into 0.0 or stay out of 0.0, if you have neither the guts or the patience to get in yourself at the opportune moment.
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Chadwyk
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Posted - 2007.09.28 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Chadwyk on 28/09/2007 15:06:56
Originally by: Grismar I can tell you this much: if you can't be bothered to address the good people on these forums in normal English, the odds of getting a serious answer are next to nothing. Your warning is less funny and more to the point than you probably realized yourself when you wrote it...
I wasnt trying to b funny, sarcastic is more like it, and if its more to the point u prob havnt read the warning well..
Originally by: Grismar It would appear though that your basic point is that it's too hard for new players to get into 0.0 without getting killed. You either need an escort or some other way that involves the services of more experienced pilots to get there.
True, well known fact and really nothing that can or will be done about it, since it is how it has always been and CCP has never moved to change it. Either make friends with people that have a safe way into 0.0 or stay out of 0.0, if you have neither the guts or the patience to get in yourself at the opportune moment.
Truly do u think ppl at 0.0 make friends with anybody..?
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Zenobite
Flying Under the Influence
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Posted - 2007.09.28 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zenobite on 28/09/2007 15:22:00
Originally by: Chadwyk Edited by: Chadwyk on 28/09/2007 14:45:21
Originally by: Chadwyk
.... It really doesn't matter if you find it fun and challenging, alliances have worked to control systems, why should you have free access to their systems when you've contributing nothing.
You still haven't given any reason why mission deserves preferential treatment over the rest of the playerbase.
Do you think that having been a new player urself u would have been able to reach these systems, maybe u did few years ago, check players count now, there r really no chances for new players to fit in we are just roaming around empire space making but a little isk how do u expect us to stand up to the challenge ur offering, and its never gonna hurt any1 to see their way thru stargates theyr jumping thru right??? so whats ur deal really?
It was more far more dangerous before WTZ, if you had to go though a system you didn't have instas for you had to slow boat to the gate, try jumping 15km off every gate in low-sec for a few days then tell me how safe it was. Also there are huge amounts isk to be made in empire, if you can't find it you ain't looking hard enough.
And yes you it can do lot of damage when someone can freely warp into a system, if someone wanted to take over a system, they could start a mission form a gang and jump a in fleet. There loads of ways this could be abused.
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Lady Beauvoir
Slutty Witches
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Posted - 2007.09.28 15:36:00 -
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EVE is about scarce resources and competing for them.
Someone decided that the good mission/ratting area is theirs and decided to keep everyone out by violently crushing them to bloody pulp. This is fine. The scarcity of the 0.0 entry points helps the occupying alliance to control the territory; this is fine as well: it makes building player-made empires possible as the areas are actually possible to defend.
Now, you have three choices: a. Gather a bigger/badder group and turn them into space dust until they give up. b. Join them; this usually means that you should be willing to do something for them as well (such as pay taxes, protect the space, run logistics and so on). c. Pay them for the access to the resources you want to use.
Nobody gets anything for granted in EVE; you take it from others. You cannot play the game the way you want to unless you can beat everyone else into submission, thus you need to make compromises.
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Chadwyk
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Posted - 2007.09.28 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Chadwyk
And yes you it can do lot of damage when someone can freely warp into a system, if someone wanted to take over a system, they could start a mission form a gang and jump a in fleet. There loads of ways this could be abused.
Let me get this str8 so u get to worry about game mechanics being abused and we dont..??? honestly u proved my point... plz do suggest a solution then..
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 15:47:00 -
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The difference is, nobody with any sense thinks gatecamping in 0.0 is an abuse of game mechanics. Mostly just you. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Chadwyk
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Posted - 2007.09.28 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Chadwyk on 28/09/2007 16:01:58
Originally by: Lady Beauvoir EVE is about scarce resources and competing for them.
Now, you have three choices: a. Gather a bigger/badder group and turn them into space dust until they give up. b. Join them; this usually means that you should be willing to do something for them as well (such as pay taxes, protect the space, run logistics and so on). c. Pay them for the access to the resources you want to use.
done that, results? a- newbies scared b- tried and got pwnd c- paid and also got pwnd thanx to the church alliance,,
Originally by: Lady Beauvoir Nobody gets anything for granted in EVE; you take it from others. You cannot play the game the way you want to unless you can beat everyone else into submission, thus you need to make compromises.
well to b accurate no one will actually get anything from eve from now on
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Chadwyk
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Posted - 2007.09.28 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Chadwyk on 28/09/2007 16:14:03
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
The difference is, nobody with any sense thinks gatecamping in 0.0 is an abuse of game mechanics. Mostly just you.
get over it dear it's a free country everybody is allowed to say what they want..
And for ur information when the universe was created there were no stargates...!!
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 16:56:00 -
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No, you are really stupid and should play world of warcraft or other carebearish game. I've been ganked a lot of times and I felt stupid for not using a scout, sure I didn't blame my foes for being smarter than me.
The clause of misconduct refers to the fact that some particularly stupid player might get crazy and harass another player in real life, or exploit the game mechanics.
Learn how Eve works before complaining, the freedom of players is what distinguishes this game from all the rest and what makes it great. If you want another world of warcraft, might as well play world of warcraft and imagine that elves orcs and all the rest are just spaceships.
Now stop posting you're just making a fool of yourself.
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Ciara Daag
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Posted - 2007.09.28 17:00:00 -
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Why should you have a way into our space that is risk free? The fact is,its a multiplayer game. Of course,if your corp or alliance wants to talk to us,and negotiate standings then you can come to our space and we wont shoot you. We do have enemies however,and they certainly will,but thats the risk we all take in 0.0. As for access through camped gates,those of us who live in 0.0 deal with this all the time.We are able to get in and out just fine. There are security discussion channels for all the major regions that help. Another way we do it is to get a scout in a fast ship to escort us. Its damn near impossible to catch a fast interceptor in a gate camp. A long time ago,we were all empire noobs. Eventually,our corps moved to 0.0 or we joined corps in 0.0 space. When I and my corp made that move,it took a lot of adjusting. We lost alot of ships. We learned how to get in and out with a reasonable degree of safety and how to survive. A large part of that was making friends and allies. In 0.0 your usually either a friend or an enemy. Thats just the way it is. As for losing expensive ships,thats just a fact of life. I lost a 300 million rokh the other day and didnt even blink. You dont fly a ship in 0.0 unless your willing to lose it. THose of us who live outside of empire space have earned that right with our blood and sweat. Dont expect to be given a free ride. In eve,you can have what you can take by force and keep what you can defend.
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Zenobite
Flying Under the Influence
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Posted - 2007.09.28 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Chadwyk
Originally by: Chadwyk
And yes you it can do lot of damage when someone can freely warp into a system, if someone wanted to take over a system, they could start a mission form a gang and jump a in fleet. There loads of ways this could be abused.
Let me get this str8 so u get to worry about game mechanics being abused and we dont..??? honestly u proved my point... plz do suggest a solution then..
As you were a new player I've tried to be civilized and explain why I think your suggestions are bad idea and not really very EVEish, but you just want to whine that you can't figure out how to make isk or that the thousands of players that worked hard to take control and hold systems won't roll out the red-carpet for you.
If it bothers you that much start your own corp and get a bunch of like minded players, you might still fail, but at least you won't just be another pathetic forum whiner.
Try playing eve for what it is, not trying to turn it into some kind of rose-tinted hippie carebear heaven.
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MyOwnSling
Gallente RONA Corporation FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.28 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: MyOwnSling on 28/09/2007 20:41:47 You aren't trying hard enough, there are plenty of alliances in 0.0 that will take new people in. You seem to have only attempted interaction with a small number (one).
I have seen first-hand that much of what you say is not true. You can get from empire to 0.0 without getting ganked. You can join an alliance that is in 0.0 as a noob. Alliances in 0.0 DO make friends with people who live in empire.
Like I said, you just need to try harder. Try the recruitment forums and ask around about joining a 0.0 alliance.
EDIT: spelling ------------- Stop whining.
Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face...
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prathe
Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.09.29 07:14:00 -
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simply put your asking for a game mechanics change to make the life of mission runners in 0.0 easier ?
simple answer ? no
why ? because if you want the big bucks you gotta earn them join a 0.0 alliance and get to it
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Cyberus
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:50:00 -
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Ohhhhh not AGAIN plz...
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Ione Hunt
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.09.29 12:13:00 -
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If you want to make more ISK than in highsec, you have to accept that there is a RISK. That risk is part of the game, and tbh it makes perfect sense that if you want more isk, you might have to accept the fact that you could potentially get blown up.
The way to achieve that is to get help from buddies. This game is a MULTIPLAYER game, so get some help. Forcing predators to come in through other gates just so he lands 200km from you and you can run every single time while solo'ing for ISK day in and day out without wanting any risk is just WRONG!
Want to make more ISK, accept the risk or go play WOW! (no offense, but that's the best advice I could give you) _______________
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Vox'Dei
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Posted - 2007.09.29 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Chadwyk Edited by: Chadwyk on 28/09/2007 13:32:40
Originally by: Akira Zendragon Friendly advice:
You might get people to actually bother to read the thread if you actually bothered to make it readable... I just got a headache trying to read all that.
It's "you", "are", "you'll" and so on...
I want ur opinion not ur advice about my writing skills
My opinion is that your writing skills suck and that they detract from what you are trying to say.
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Luaren Avidius
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Posted - 2007.09.29 14:39:00 -
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First off, and I really hate to make this my first point to you but you sir, have left me no choice: lose the text-message style english. If you want to communicate properly and not give people headaches and avoid these kinds of posts later, type out the other two letters of the word "you", and the other letter of the word "be". It makes you look vastly more intelligent.
Secondly, if you want to make a lot of cash, there are plenty of options in high sec and low sec empire for you to do that. Mission running is not very hard to do. You are a month old character, so you should not expect to be making the big bucks yet, but level 2's should be easily within your grasp, and level 3's should be coming into view shortly.
Third, if you want unrestricted access to lucrative 0.0, you are going to need to make friends with or join a space holding alliance. EVE is supposed to be a social game, it is not a 1 player solo fest. Even if you are off missioning by yourself, trading by yourself on the market, or just taking a cruise through space in your shiny new Interceptor, you are surrounded by people. Either those with you in local, or people you are interacting with indirectly through your actions.
Fourth, your demands are a bit unreasonable. Wanting a literal back door into 0.0 is not something that will fly. Why not just ask for a "print isk" button while you are at it? Not gonna happen. Now, if you make it really creative and sound like something that would actually enhance the game for more than just yourself and people who want to fly "solo", then you could probably get some positive feedback on it.
Well, thats all I can think of. Good luck.
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White Titan
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Posted - 2007.09.29 17:02:00 -
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lvl 6 don't exist
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Chadwyk
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Posted - 2007.09.30 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Chadwyk on 30/09/2007 00:50:08 Imagine if every single congressman had to debate before saying aye or nay, the us would still be negotiating world war 2.
It's pretty obvious that lot of you made their point of view pretty clear so far, I hope that it will come down to voting yes or no only.
I am really tired and worked out replying to every single thread, I have a life you know, and thank you all for the advice about my writing skills i'll try my best next time i write a new thread, so please no more comments.
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Tonto Auri
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Posted - 2007.10.01 04:19:00 -
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You'd better go studying game rules.
Blowing stuff is a primary game goal. Running missions - secondary goal.
So You asking to switch goals? -- Thanks CCP for cu<end of sig> |
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