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papamikeforthewin
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:34:00 -
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Anyone ever got stuck remembering a word to the point it has driven them mad? Well thats happened to me recently and despite trying to maybe skim across a dictionary or guess with online searching I cant find the damn word!
10mil to the first person who can figure it out for meh. I know it sounds lame but ffs- I need to figure out this word its doing my head in.
The definition would go something like this- A term used to describe a prepared killing zone- particularly in castle terminology. Its the area between two defensive walls for the specific purpose of a "killing zone"
I used to know the word but for the life of me I cant remember it. Anyhoo it might give you all something constructive to do over d/t.
gl
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Elias Modron
Gallente Lucretia Seven Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Elias Modron on 29/09/2007 10:39:28 Killing field? Enfilade? Enfilade is a position where an enemy unit is fully exposed to fire.
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Tanya DeWinter
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:41:00 -
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I think it might be inner or outer wards...most probably "outer wards".
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galadran
Caldari Alcohol Fueled Brutality Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:42:00 -
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A Barbican, pomoerium or pomery from what I remember.
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Tissa
Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:43:00 -
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Lines of circumvallation?
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papamikeforthewin
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:45:00 -
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sorry guys none of these, but enfilade was probably the closest so far. Its one word definately and I cant remember if it started with a b, p, or r?
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:46:00 -
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Arena? Colleseum? Just saying those cos noones said them yet and they could match the description 
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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Reash
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:46:00 -
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Bailey would be the area on a castle i think...not exactly my subject and i dont think thats specifically for killing, just an area, -----------------------
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Shizuka Muto
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: ****uka Muto on 29/09/2007 10:46:45 maybe it's a bastion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastion
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galadran
Caldari Alcohol Fueled Brutality Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:46:00 -
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Any hints on the language of the word?
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Gavriel Black
Amarr Pandaemonium's Children
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Reash Bailey would be the area on a castle i think...not exactly my subject and i dont think thats specifically for killing, just an area,
the bailey is the entire space inside the castle, i thought the same but after checking google seemed i was wrong =(
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Reash
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Gavriel Black
Originally by: Reash Bailey would be the area on a castle i think...not exactly my subject and i dont think thats specifically for killing, just an area,
the bailey is the entire space inside the castle, i thought the same but after checking google seemed i was wrong =(
yea, i didnt think it was right, just thought it might help other people get closer to the right word.
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papamikeforthewin
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: ****uka Muto Edited by: ****uka Muto on 29/09/2007 10:46:45 maybe it's a bastion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastion
it is generally used to describe the prepared area in front of the bastion, while the bastion itself is the fortification.
From what I remember its actual specific noun was used to describe the area between an outer wall and an inner one.
I realise this is vague but if I could remember more I wouldnt have needed this post. Seriously its killing me.
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Plentimon
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Posted - 2007.09.29 10:56:00 -
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Enceinte maybe?
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Elias Modron
Gallente Lucretia Seven Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Elias Modron on 29/09/2007 11:02:03 Berm? It's the space between the outer wall and the moat.
barmkin? Scottish term for defended courtyard of a castle. Also, the wall enclosing such an areA.
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Adaris
D-L
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Elias Modron Edited by: Elias Modron on 29/09/2007 10:39:28 Killing field? Enfilade? Enfilade is a position where an enemy unit is fully exposed to fire.
Give this man his money. He is right. killing field.
Killing fields A Killing field was an area between the main wall and a secondary wall, so when the first wall was breached the attackers would run into the killing field to be confronted by another wall from which soldiers bombarded them. Soldiers would be positioned atop the second wall and armed with any variety of weapons, ranging from bows to crossbows to simple rocks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_fortification#Killing_fields
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Adaris
D-L
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:04:00 -
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Further research on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_field
In military science, a killing field is a field of fire, usually covered by machine guns in modern warfare. It may also be a region in which artillery, cannon, or mortars have been registered or deployed. Such a term may be used to describe the approaches to an "ideal" defensive fortification.
The term originated in medieval warfare to describe areas within castles specially designed to bunch attackers, who had breached the outer defences, into an area where the defenders could kill them easily through arrow loops and murder holes. Often these were small courtyards surrounded by high walls. *******
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Saibotek
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:06:00 -
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Murder Holes - A section between the main gate and a inner portcullis where arrows, rocks, and hot oil can be dropped from the roof though holes. Provides good cover for defenders and leaves the attacker open. Only used when outer gate has been breach.
Aisle - Space between arcade and outer wall.
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:08:00 -
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NOL? ------
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papamikeforthewin
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Adaris
Originally by: Elias Modron Edited by: Elias Modron on 29/09/2007 10:39:28 Killing field? Enfilade? Enfilade is a position where an enemy unit is fully exposed to fire.
Give this man his money. He is right. killing field.
Killing fields A Killing field was an area between the main wall and a secondary wall, so when the first wall was breached the attackers would run into the killing field to be confronted by another wall from which soldiers bombarded them. Soldiers would be positioned atop the second wall and armed with any variety of weapons, ranging from bows to crossbows to simple rocks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_fortification#Killing_fields
mate, while I appreciate the attempt and yes enfilade is one name for it, this was not the term I was looking for.
If it had simply been a matter of looking at wikipedia do you really think I would have bothered with the post in the first place? Ive been searching for about 3hrs now in every book of military significance I can find in the house as well as skim reading a dictionary and the net.
BTW I have OCD so before anyone starts flaming dont bother wasting your time.
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papamikeforthewin
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Splagada NOL?
Lol- that deserves honorable mention
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Elias Modron
Gallente Lucretia Seven Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Adaris
Give this man his money. He is right. killing field.
Killing field may indeed be right and it is a medieval term. But I think "killing field" is too easy. There must be a more appropriate word from Old English or French.
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Tauscha Vald'or
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:15:00 -
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Glacis - A bank sloping down from a castle which acts as a defence against invaders; broad, sloping naked rock or earth on which the attackers are completely exposed
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:27:00 -
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Gatecamp? 
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redwing487
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:41:00 -
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defilade is the only word i can think of but that is more for defensive...
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Heliocon
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:43:00 -
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Bottle Neck?
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Hagen Stein
Minmatar Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Reash Bailey would be the area on a castle i think...not exactly my subject and i dont think thats specifically for killing, just an area,
Reash is right, I think. The german term is "Zwinger" (or "Vorzwinger"), which translates to "Bailey", according to LEO. See also http://www.castles-of-britain.com/castle38.htm#B
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papamikeforthewin
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hagen Stein Edited by: Hagen Stein on 29/09/2007 11:47:42
Originally by: Reash Bailey would be the area on a castle i think...not exactly my subject and i dont think thats specifically for killing, just an area,
Reash is right, I think. The german term is "Zwinger" (or "Vorzwinger"), which translates to "Bailey", according to LEO. See also http://www.castles-of-britain.com/castle38.htm#B
[Added] Wiktionary seems to agree as well: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bailey
groin vault???  
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Mark Lucius
Forbidden Lore
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Posted - 2007.09.29 11:55:00 -
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Pomoerium? I am not sure if this is what you mean, but the description kinda fits with yours and the other answers given:
This was a strip of clear ground immediately inside or outside the wall. The word is a medieval and later one, derived from the classical Latin post murum, behind the wall.
An external pomoerium, stripped of bushes and building, gave defenders a clear view of what was happening outside and an unobstructed field of shot. An internal pomoeriun gave ready access to the rear of the curtain wall to facilitate movement of the garrison to a point of need. By the end of the sixteenth century, the word had developed further in common use, into pomery.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.29 12:06:00 -
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Possibly the Barbican? I know technically Barbican is a tower, but this usage in terms of an entrapment point is common for British castles.
The Barbican The Barbican is thought to be a 13th century addition to the Castle. The way that a barbican worked was quite simple. There would have been a portcullis gate at either end of the passage.
The first gate or entrance to the barbican would be opened so that attackers could easily gain access, once they were inside, the first portcullis would have been dropped close. A second portcullis gate would have been at the top of the barbican passage way, this one would have been closed from the start. The attacking force would have been trapped between the two gates and contained within the barbican.
Archers and other defending soldiers could then drop missiles or shoot arrows at the attacking force which was contained within the natural killing field of the barbican passage.
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