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pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
300
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Posted - 2012.01.23 07:50:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:What are the reasons behind the current show of Hate-CSM threads? I've read the minutes with a lot more care than most people have(Trust me, i translated the whole thing) and i follow their blogs (some of them.. not all the blogs) but i don't see anything worth raging about. I have nothing against any of them personally.. In the past, i did have a few things against some of them being in the position they are, but they've all earned my respect after all the impromtpu meetings last year. Besides, i can say that at least three of them really deserve being there. Come on, i like being mad. I want to get mad too. Show me where the CSM have touched you
The current CSM is biased and so onesided in nullsec/goons makeup , they do not represent the number of people that actually voted because of voting manpulation; let alone represent the players Add the fact that some of them including the chairman are absolute assholes and don't know a thing about what this game is all about and the fact that they are claiming that every improvement was because of them and not CCP , yeah so you got a re'cipe for some serious distrust I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.01.23 08:10:00 -
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I don't understand the rage either. CSM6 is probably the most productive CSM to date, and they've been consistently doing a bang-up job from the start. I like Mittens' thread in Jita Park where he actually takes the time to discuss issues with people, that by itself is a huge plus for them. Fix incursions today! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60460 |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
126
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Posted - 2012.01.23 08:20:00 -
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Fully agree with you, Clyde.
The problem is ignorance. This CSM-rage crowd consistently ignore facts, common sense and refuse to educate themselves on the topic, and instead repeat their tinfoil bs in a proper Tea Party style.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
534
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Posted - 2012.01.23 08:50:00 -
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mkint wrote:First, the fuel pellets that are going live promote nullbears (to the added expense and hassle of anyone who runs a POS but is not a nullbear) Costs rise across the board.
mkint wrote:The POCO change buffs nullbear PI income out of the pockets of highbears (I hate PI altogether and refuse to do it, but that doesn't make it less lame.) hisec factories won't see any difference after the market settled to the new PI taxes.
mkint wrote:The key point of destructible outposts is that they don't actually lose assets, just relocate them. Relocate? Oh really? And here I thought stations were going to get either wrecked, or completely destroyed, taking all the resources inside them with them. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
534
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Posted - 2012.01.23 08:53:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:The current CSM is biased and so onesided in nullsec/goons makeup , they do not represent the number of people that actually voted because of voting manpulation; let alone represent the players I think what you mean is "they represent the people who actually took out their pacifier and actually went and voted".
pussnheels wrote:Add the fact that some of them including the chairman are absolute assholes and don't know a thing about what this game is all about and the fact that they are claiming that every improvement was because of them and not CCP , yeah so you got a re'cipe for some serious distrust No, what you have is a recipe for a bitter twit raging impotently and flinging accusations which don't hold water, and a demand for faction-grade tinfoil hats. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2012.01.23 09:39:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:The current CSM is biased and so onesided in nullsec/goons makeup , they do not represent the number of people that actually voted because of voting manpulation
Tell me more about this "voter manipulation".
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.01.23 11:11:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:pussnheels wrote:The current CSM is biased and so onesided in nullsec/goons makeup , they do not represent the number of people that actually voted because of voting manpulation Tell me more about this "voter manipulation".
he means vote manipulation cos they are in large alliances, therefore they are very likelly to get large amount of votes. peopl that are in smaller alliances are very unlikelly to get many votes. technically your alliance/coalitiom size determines the outcome |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:10:00 -
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So asking people to vote for you is manipulation now?
Or, as we call it in the real world, 'campaigning'. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
428
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:46:00 -
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Roime wrote:Fully agree with you, Clyde.
The problem is ignorance. This CSM-rage crowd consistently ignore facts, common sense and refuse to educate themselves on the topic, and instead repeat their tinfoil bs in a proper Tea Party style.
You have a mustache and are therefore evil. Why should we listen to you? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Jalmari Huitsikko
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
17
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:57:00 -
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I AM CONFIRM I AM BUTTHURT BECAUSE CSM
That is because current CSM mechanics do not quarantee that all aspects and views of gameplay get enough representation by someone who actually has any idea what he is talking about.
I am pretty sure good portion of csm knows what 0.0 alliances WANT. That does not mean it's good for other people. And that's a lot of people.
I am sure CSM is not the only voice CCP is trying to hear out but in some cases there will be forum rage if they "don't listen to CSM" and they just have to do some random **** to please ppl. That's why CSM mechanics needs rework so the initial setup for representation would be "larger" whatever.
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
369
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:04:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:And about wormhole discussion.. i went ahead and read it. So the people who are mad at what was discussed are mad because something the CSM said, or about something they didn't propose? The following caught my attention: Quote:
CCP was worried that the introduction of some sort of wormhole stabilizer would remove some of the everyday safety that people have grown to expect. Some CSM members raised an objection to the stabilizer, as they thought it would remove some of the main constraints from wormhole space that help to keep it different than known space.
Two Step's list of smaller wormhole fixes was presented to CCP, most of which are generally applicable to POS life. Some small scanning tweaks were also mentioned. It was also requested to allow Rorqual clone vats to be usable to allow players to switch clones (and implants) within the wormhole
So the wormhole "module" was a CCP proposed idea, and the CSM didn't liked it.. Furthermore Two Step's proposed changes can't be bad for WH life. The main thing i saw on there was the CSM arguing that wormholes were too difficult to properly invade, and that can indeed be "seen" as lobbying for a change that would allow their null-sec alliances to properly invade wormholes with blobs of capital ships. I can't and won't discuss it though, since i can't verify anything that has been said. However i do hear more often than not people that live in wormholes complaining about the fact that its too hard to wage war in there.
The idea that w-space is too difficult to invade is laughable. W-space lends itself to relatively small numbers of occupancy. A typical w-space system will only support small numbers of active players. W-space systems such as c1, c2, c3 that don't static to other w-space systems will only support 1, 2, 3 people respectively to justify the costs and difficulties of being there. Systems that static to other w-space systems will certainly sustain more but you're never going to cram enough people into those systems to protect it from the blobs that nullsec would dearly love to put into them.
Invading the systems currently, while more difficult than assembling a blob of overwelming force is not so difficult that it can't be done. Looking at the masses allowed by the majority of wormholes you can fit +20 bs's, or +140 BC's, or +170 cruisers or + 1900 frigates. The pluses are to indicate that other wormholes allow for even more. And yet, I've never seen a w-space system with over 20 active pilots living there. Though I will concede that C5's and C6's may support more active inhabitants. But the masses on their holes are sufficiently increased to allow for forces large enough to gain control of entry and exits. Making w-space easier to invade only means one thing: the promotion of blob warfare and making the most difficult task of an invasion, the muster of the fleet.
Gaining control of w-space systems typically requires less that 140 pilots, as exampled by the number of BC's above. In fact, after control is established over the incoming/outgoing wormholes, the invasion force is clear to bring in more by rolling the holes for fresh ones with their masses reset to allow even more ships. The organization I'm in does this on a weekly basis with fair success. How is it noone there is complaining that w-space is too difficult to invade?
As for clone vats: yeah, would love it. But please lets not allow Two Step to give it to us in order to use it as leverage for "balancing" w-space and make it more like nullsec. As far as I'm concerned Two Step is a nullsec'er in wormholer's clothing. We currently do fine without clonevats. But, it's nullsec inhabitants that are used to the idea of jumping in/out of multi-billion dollar implanted clones as it suits them. Ultimately, clonevat and easier invasion are two features that serve only nullsec. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
45
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:25:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:also those of you flipping out with tinfoil conspiracies about how CCP is secretly controlled by the Nazi Illuminati RMTing Lizardpeople as part of a plot to install mind control lasers in everyone's Eve clients should probably find a more relaxing hobby.
Ever notice how the cockroaches scurry about when you shine the light on them? |
Atreides Leto
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:28:00 -
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"Warning" Wall of Text Inbound...
I will give my opinion as I did vote...
I start by saying that there's a misconception that all this is Goons fault and that Mittani his this and that... I will not go into Goons per say as they are not the CSM, I will say that what I've seen from The Mittani makes me think the man is doing work, coming up with ideas and the likes, so I would consider him a valued member, on the other hand, some CSM members are IMHO a complete waste of votes, I consult the forum on occasion so not much time in here, however, in the little time I spend reading threads of my own interest and doing my business I have stumble upon these posts:
Darius III wrote:
Highway to the danger zone...Gonna take you....... right into the danger zone.
Who is liking my posts? **** off and like your own posts *****!
We read all the tears and somehow still were reading more in BTL and TDF....
We tried to tell him we read all the posts and got most of the tears, but he didn't remember anything.
Ever drunk douchebag..... Not like me... I do Mushroom pizza, and coca cola....
White Tree wrote: LOOK AT HOW PAINFULLY WRONG YOU ARE ABOUT EVE ECONOMICS. LOOK AT YOU. LOOK AT YOU.
White Tree wrote: he he he the big bang theory is so whacky and random and i can relate to it because lol NERD CULTURE xd
I am certain there's more garbage around but to make my point across I believe these will suffice.
So I ask all that voted, is this kind of pathetic people you want in CSM?
And ask CCP, why is there not in place some sort of scrutiny about the quality of CSM members? Reading crap like that only makes you as a company look bad (trying to not write pathetic again) seems you have no will to change whatever CSM is about, what I take from it is that, you created CSM to show all of us you are so great that even have a board of players you listen to... and leave it at that. Please use some QA or some sort of reference to determined these people's quality for the job, hell even the most powerful man on earth can be impeached, please clean CSM house urgently, there must be a measure of quality in order to be part of it, using a CSM Tag should imply responsibility for what you write.
CCP probable won't even read my post much less do anything about this issue, the number of voters is extremely low and by keeping this as is it will be even worse.
I play EvE because I love the game (have had more love in the past, with the passing time its getting thinner) and because I see (as so many) the great potential it holds, however I tell you this, if a similar game comes along you will never see me here again, I had at one point 12 accounts, its now down to 5, I am of no importance to you if I and others such as me leave the game? The answer is probable GÇ£YesGÇ¥. Time will tell...
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
250
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:31:00 -
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Guys if you don't like whos on the CSM you should try voting next time. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:58:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Guys if you don't like whos on the CSM you should try voting next time.
Doesn't matter if we vote. The rest of New Eden doesn't have the cohesiveness of Null that is directly related to the amount of isk that comes out of there and who controls it.
Even if the rest of New Eden were solidified, how likely do you think it would be that the trillions of isk that the null alliances have to spend from their moon goo isk fountains and RMT businesses will be used to buy the votes? Quite high as there are no mechanics in place to enforce the prohibition of such.
The whole idea of CSM is flawed from conception to execution. There is nothing to be done about it without some radical and intensive interventions from CCP. That's never going to happen.
The cheapest and easiest thing CCP could do to combat that would be to randomly pick through lottery from the playerbase. And even then it would be highly suspect given the ties CCP employees have to null and maybe even RMT. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
726
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:59:00 -
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Atreides Leto wrote:"Warning" Wall of Text Inbound... I will give my opinion as I did vote...I start by saying that there's a misconception that all this is Goons fault and that Mittani his this and that... I will not go into Goons per say as they are not the CSM, I will say that what I've seen from The Mittani makes me think the man is doing work, coming up with ideas and the likes, so I would consider him a valued member, on the other hand, some CSM members are IMHO a complete waste of votes, I consult the forum on occasion so not much time in here, however, in the little time I spend reading threads of my own interest and doing my business I have stumble upon these posts: Darius III wrote:
Highway to the danger zone...Gonna take you....... right into the danger zone.
Who is liking my posts? **** off and like your own posts *****!
We read all the tears and somehow still were reading more in BTL and TDF....
We tried to tell him we read all the posts and got most of the tears, but he didn't remember anything.
Ever drunk douchebag..... Not like me... I do Mushroom pizza, and coca cola....
White Tree wrote: LOOK AT HOW PAINFULLY WRONG YOU ARE ABOUT EVE ECONOMICS. LOOK AT YOU. LOOK AT YOU.
White Tree wrote: he he he the big bang theory is so whacky and random and i can relate to it because lol NERD CULTURE xd
I am certain there's more garbage around but to make my point across I believe these will suffice. So I ask all that voted, is this kind of pathetic people you want in CSM? And ask CCP, why is there not in place some sort of scrutiny about the quality of CSM members? Reading crap like that only makes you as a company look bad (trying to not write pathetic again) seems you have no will to change whatever CSM is about, what I take from it is that, you created CSM to show all of us you are so great that even have a board of players you listen to... and leave it at that. Please use some QA or some sort of reference to determined these people's quality for the job, hell even the most powerful man on earth can be impeached, please clean CSM house urgently, there must be a measure of quality in order to be part of it, using a CSM Tag should imply responsibility for what you write. CCP probable won't even read my post much less do anything about this issue, the number of voters is extremely low and by keeping this as is it will be even worse. I play EvE because I love the game (have had more love in the past, with the passing time its getting thinner) and because I see (as so many) the great potential it holds, however I tell you this, if a similar game comes along you will never see me here again, I had at one point 12 accounts, its now down to 5, I am of no importance to you if I and others such as me leave the game? The answer is probable GÇ£YesGÇ¥. Time will tell...
I'm not going to defend D3 since he already has enough people to do that for him. But i should ask you, do you actually bother seeing everything White Tree has to say about EVE, the minutes and their work as CSM?
Or any other CSM, for that matter?!
Or do you think people who work a job that they are not paid for don't have every right in the world to entertain themselves and be human?
I lol'd Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
30
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Posted - 2012.01.24 07:56:00 -
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pussnheels wrote: The current CSM is biased and so onesided in nullsec/goons makeup , they do not represent the number of people that actually voted because of voting manpulation; let alone represent the players
I may hate goons just as anyone else, but the fact remains CSMs were elected and you do not have any proof of foul play. You acknowledge they won fair and square by getting support from their alliance and sadly, people with support do prevail in elections. Honestly, I rather have a CSM composed of players that truly experienced all aspects of EVE rather than those solely playing in highsec. Highsecers helping balance Supercaps, Moons and 0.0 *PVP*? Lol?
pussnheels wrote: Add the fact that some of them including the chairman are absolute assholes and don't know a thing about what this game is all about
Please enlighten us on what this game is all about.
pussnheels wrote: and the fact that they are claiming that every improvement was because of them and not CCP , yeah so you got a re'cipe for some serious distrust
Such a bold statement begs the question; can I see your source? Surely lots of improvements were suggested by the CSM while CCP focused on fixing them and adding new content.
As a end note, I love how the OP keeps owning all the "CSM-hate" posts with simple logic :) |
Plutonian
Intransigent
51
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Posted - 2012.01.24 09:02:00 -
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I'm tired, so going to repeat my reply from the CSM Minutes thread:
Plutonian wrote:I question whether the individualist nature of pirates, solo fighters, solo mission runners, etc., will ever allow them to compete on equal terms with a coordinated bloc of nullsec residents. In the Real World, one would say 'working as intended'... coordinated efforts naturally succeed more often. But In a subscriber-base game, I'd have to say this is not an optimal way of focusing on game improvement as a whole. In short; the little guy tends to get the shaft. How many 'little guys' pay a subscription, and is this relevant to CCP interests?
I think the players fear that as long as the CSM exists, when CCP needs opinions on what to fix/design, they'll go to the CSM. If the CSM no longer cares what the players think and pushes its own agenda, then the players have been cut out of the loop, and anger sets in. I'd have to say that anger is righteous. The original charter of the CSM was to be the mouthpiece of the player base.
Ironically, Darius, by screwing with the Incursions, is probably doing more to 'get out the Empire vote' on the next CSM than anyone could. I cannot help but to find that incredibly ironic. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
174
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Posted - 2012.01.24 09:46:00 -
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Atreides Leto wrote: So I ask all that voted, is this kind of pathetic people you want in CSM?
Couldn't this very same question be asked about those who voted a new USA president the day before?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
174
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Posted - 2012.01.24 09:49:00 -
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Plutonian wrote:Ironically, Darius, by screwing with the Incursions, is probably doing more to 'get out the Empire vote' on the next CSM than anyone could. I cannot help but to find that incredibly ironic.
Darius is an empire resident.
When I was in 0.0 Bricks were in NPC space (no sov) which is as close to empire as it gets.
Now they are in low sec. Totally in empire space.
Actually, if he was not living in empire, he would not even have noticed things like hi sec incursions exploits, he'd just be another 0.0 happy camper oblivious of what happens on the Dar... Bear Side Of The Moon. |
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Maelle LuzArdiden
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.24 11:34:00 -
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I think the problem was more that there simply was no credible hisec candidate who could execute a campaign and rally the hisec residents behind him/her. Next time there might be, people seem more conscious of CSM, and hopefully there will be more votes in total.
I personally value general knowledge of EVE as a whole more than representing a certain interest group. I voted knowledge and experience, not security status. The main task of CSM is to give feedback on CCP's ideas, and filter and relay messages from the player base to CCP. And if you look just at the facts, CSM6 has been very successful in this, and the recent and future developments look blatantly :awesome: in my honest opinion.
And obviously CSM members deserve their individual freedom to write, comment, troll and keep playing the game as they please, just like we all have the right. Darius III and the Mittani are by far some of the best trollers this community has, would be a shame to lose them!
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The Snowman
xLegion of the dammedx.
24
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Posted - 2012.01.24 11:53:00 -
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Since the CSM clearly have more power to effect CCP than its customers do Eve players must now negotiate with CSM, not CCP anymore.
No matter which side of the fence you sit on with the whole incursions thing its no longer a CCP problem, its a CSM problem since they are now abusing their position and standing within the community to effect the game. The last CSM member to do that was dismissed, but this time they are proclaimed heroes.
In addition Incarna has proved that when problems are afoot.. CCP calls the CSM, and CCP has allowed CSM to take purchase on CCP's accountability.
I lost any scrap of respect for the CSM when I read the part about CSM demanding Hilmar answer the question "what have you learned?" How arrogant of CSM to presume that he would say something to them that he hasn't already said. Its like they just want to humiliate him even more!
What despicable examples of human behavior. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
158
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Posted - 2012.01.24 11:54:00 -
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If you have an issue with the current CSM, elect a better one the next time. |
Atreides Leto
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:16:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Couldn't this very same question be asked about those who voted a new USA president the day before?
That very same question could be asked in an infinite number of occasions, yes. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
545
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:39:00 -
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The Snowman wrote:No matter which side of the fence you sit on with the whole incursions thing its no longer a CCP problem, its a CSM problem since they are now abusing their position and standing within the community to effect the game. The last CSM member to do that was dismissed, but this time they are proclaimed heroes. Um. How did you go from incursions to CSM? Are you talking about Darius III's shooting of the mothership? |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
731
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:07:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Um. How did you go from incursions to CSM? Are you talking about Darius III's shooting of the mothership?
Apparently, Darius III only got to do everything he did because he is a CSM. Otherwise he would be completely incapable of doing it.
I.E he used his CSM position to shoot motherships, and not his ship's weapons.
Didn't you know that the CSM chair has a massive DPS? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Honnete Du Decimer
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:10:00 -
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Cyzlaki wrote:In all fairness, they're doing a good job and some of them actually care about the game and want to make it better.
Vote Darius III for CSM!
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
548
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:13:00 -
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I never like to brag but when I was a CSM I discovered we were make invincible and could gank anyone with what ever we flew. Why I once took down a dread with a civilian fit Mammoth......
OK, not.
But to the topic of the CSM rage, I hope there is more attention this next election a few folks that represented the players I sought to make it to CSM 7.
Issler |
Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
299
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Posted - 2012.01.25 01:45:00 -
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mkint wrote:every CSM proposed change was to promote nullbears solidifying their empires, defending their RMT from any threats, and reducing the overall quality of the game for anyone who's not them. And some of the decision makers are going along with it. God help us all.
Like the OP, I have nothing personal against them either. They may be some of the greatest people I have never met in real life. But we aren't really talking about real life, are we?
I daresay that every player in Eve loves Eve like a child. They want to protect it, see it grow into something far greater than they could have ever hoped for. They want to present this child to others, proudly extolling its virtues, in the hopes that others will share in this child's life. And it seems that just like a child, there have been moments of faltering and falling down, but it always seemed to get back up and keep on going, reaching for the stars and dreaming.
But there is something very dark and foreboding within this child now, a malignancy that slowly claws at it over time. For all those who love this child and want it to become a bright and shining example, there are those who would use the child for their own nefarious purposes. They seek to advance only themselves, even at the cost of the child's life if necessary. They introduce viral infections into the child, milking the essence of the child for their gains. They have no affection for the child, it has become a means to an end to them, nothing more.
Unfortunately, it is generally viewed that some of those who should be the greatest caretakers of all are complicent in these dark tidings. Also unfortunate is the fact that not much can be done now, even with the knowledge of the crimes all but in hand. Because we hold these caretakers to a higher standard, we have a far more focused and angered response. Add to that the general consensus that the playerbase does not feel as though it is being represented and it's like tinder on a fire.
Looking back, I am surprised that I did not recognize the signs sooner. I truly believe that the first ripples of what could be a nasty revolution have finally hit us. Eve players are, for the most part, an intelligent lot. They have seen some things, heard some whispers that have some root in reality and they are becoming very put out by the state of things. When they are silenced by the powers that be, it does not reassure them, it only makes them more suspicious of foul play and angrier that they are being marginalized.
I don't know alot about the CSM, I wager not many people could name more than two or three within reading this sentence. The ones that they can readily are the ones that they feel lead the vanguard of this cancer. Whether or not it's 100% true has become irrelevent. Enough has been said and done that it makes anything to stifle it a bad response. The mob has its hackles up now, they're grabbing pitchforks and torches. Things like this don't help:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=15467
Take it as you will. I've actually read the original post concerning that, though I have searched for the last thirty minutes and have come up empty now. Some things have been changed since then, so I am not going to have much luck, I do believe.
It's things like these that are causing all the really nasty feelings to boil to the surface. Thiings like these don't really help to make everyone calmer. And the response lately has been to silence the criticism, which only makes it worse. So yeah, that might explain the yucky feeling people are having concerning the CSMs. No taxation without representation. |
oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.25 12:27:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote: Words at Random
Dude your face...
Is it because you have it so up into Darius ass? If it is better get out a bit a catch some air... Just for a little while, you may then proceed to stick it in his ass again...
Or is it that you are d2 or d1 or wtf D's alt??
Don't tell me, let me guess... You gonna say you are a fabulous forum poster and I'm not because of our likes amiright?
GTFO man, every crap your pixels writes is garbage, I've seen graphite in the Favelas better then the sh*t you type. |
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