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Oron
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Posted - 2007.10.15 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Oron on 15/10/2007 21:45:33
Originally by: Shadarle I'm curious. Are you truly happy with 5% profits?
I did never invested into any ISS IPO, cause their original plan, as I discused in the post you only scimmed, was'nt doable in my opinion. But I am considering investing into ISS now, cause their new plan of a public founded but more "tradidional" alliance is realistic.
Yes, I am happy that they grand 5% profit. Any business in nosec heigly depents on ever changing and most times irrational conditions, so the grand make me feel safe mutch safer.
Originally by: Shadarle Do you ever expect them to go above 5%?
Yes, I do. They have the logistic expierince to exploid the combined advantages of nosec ressources and empire markets. In addition, if they find a way to exploid the never ending wars in large scale, they could really skyrocking. :)
Please remind the unrationality of nosec, I am sure their profit above 5% will fluctuating - ISS is not an IPO where you can flat out say: if they make no error they will gain XX%. Their profit depends on many uncontrolable conditions ie. how bored their neighbors are.
For that reason a granded base profit and a solid buyback option is mandatory to substain shareholders value. I am glad that ISS realized that.
Originally by: Shadarle You realize that nearly every IPO currently on the market earns above 5%, correct?
I am not up to date about all the new IPOs, but I know you are and I belive you if you talk about your field of expertise.
I guess all IPOs you talk about are based on empire business, right? Wich make em quite safe and easy to pull of? I guess for a reasonable expirienced Yulai Trader it is easy to spot a niche and use an IPO to exploid it to the max. Its schema X: known marked mechanics.
ISS is still the only IPO involved and perhabs even focused at nosec, right? While nosec potentionaly yield heigher profit, its a lot harder to realize this profit, cause most times all odds are against you. So I expect them to take some time before they found the "killer approach" to realize the heigh potential profit of the nosec.
Originally by: Shadarle I'd love an answer to each of these... so I can see just how staunch a defender of ISSO you are.
You are welcome. :) The only one I really defend is Stins, but I don't defend ISSO in general. In contradiction, I attack the uneducated arguments of you and Ezoran.
You and Ezoran have shown more than once that you do not understand the natur of nosec business, therefor I tryed to help you and the readers to gain a better understanding.
In contradiction, Stins honesty is out of question and my trust in his person without limit. I know that he is expirienced in nosec business, cause he was director of my former Corporation, and I flew with him for many hours AND he is totaly hooked by the nosec.
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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
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Posted - 2007.10.15 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Oron Argguing that info pages that talk about now raided outposts is not outdated, is just plain silly.
My brain now hurts.
But I'm so glad they are investing more into capital production... seeing as how that is definitely a winner for the future! Just as Lavista how awesome the capital market is going, he is trying to sell out because of the horrid profits. This spells good news for ISSO investors for the future, eh?
I'm curious. Are you truly happy with 5% profits? Do you ever expect them to go above 5%? You realize that nearly every IPO currently on the market earns above 5%, correct? I'd love an answer to each of these... so I can see just how staunch a defender of ISSO you are.
How many of them
1. Pay more than 10% -- which is the threshold you need to see additional return
2. File regular reports here on the forum
3. Manage hundreds of billions in assets
4. Have faithfully paid out to shareholders for years
5. Have received anything approximating the same level of criticism
Oh right! NONE OF THEM.
Here, let me try that again:
NONE OF THEM
Really, the Shadarle and Ezoran show has truly become muppet theatre! Fun for the whole family! It's like Cartoon Network right here and without a cable subscription!
Thanks guys!
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.10.15 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Oron You and Ezoran have shown more than once that you do not understand the natur of nosec business, therefor I tryed to help you and the readers to gain a better understanding.
In contradiction, Stins honesty is out of question and my trust in his person without limit. I know that he is expirienced in nosec business, cause he was director of my former Corporation, and I flew with him for many hours AND he is totaly hooked by the nosec.
what's funny, is i'm quoting stins and sometimes serenity and things they've posted. you're just making up stuff as you go along.
i do not think 'uneducated' means what you think it means. but it's nice to see that you've decided to reveal your (now obvious) bias and possibly why you're basing everything on your opinion and not facts that have occurred in the past.
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Oron
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Posted - 2007.10.15 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee NONE OF THEM
Oh really? It seems you cant trust anybody anymore. I just say I belive him (and I really did) and now its wrong? :(
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.10.15 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee lots of the typica non-factual trolling
'nuff said.
but for the hell of stupidity -- if i said i could do 15% per week, but a guaranteed minimum of 1% per week and all i ever did was 1%; then, by your *standards*, i'd be damned good. as long as no one else was doing 15% a week. right?
don't answer it, it'll just be typical "give me attention" ****.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.10.15 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Oron
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee NONE OF THEM
Oh really? It seems you cant trust anybody anymore. I just say I belive him (and I really did) and now its wrong? :(
he was, in his own trollesque way, supporting your side oron.
but he (johneieio) has selective memory/reading ability otherwise most of the things he typed wouldn't have been typed.
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Oron
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Posted - 2007.10.15 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Oron on 15/10/2007 21:56:39
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd what's funny, is i'm quoting stins and sometimes serenity and things they've posted. you're just making up stuff as you go along.
I am sorry i dont understand what you mean with that.
Quote: but it's nice to see that you've decided to reveal your (now obvious) bias and possibly why you're basing everything on your opinion and not facts that have occurred in the past.
So the guy (thats me) who says their original plan was programmed to fail and for this reason got never associated with ISS, is biased and try to defend ISSO just because he (thats me) like the guy who write the reports? I am not sure, but this sounds somehow strange.
Quote: he was, in his own trollesque way, supporting your side oron.
I know.
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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
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Posted - 2007.10.15 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee lots of the typica non-factual trolling
'nuff said.
but for the hell of stupidity -- if i said i could do 15% per week, but a guaranteed minimum of 1% per week and all i ever did was 1%; then, by your *standards*, i'd be damned good. as long as no one else was doing 15% a week. right?
don't answer it, it'll just be typical "give me attention" ****.
That's awesome! Sure, just change the numbers until THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND NOW YOUR POINT IS PROVED!
Outstanding. Just outstanding.
Ezoran, don't ever change.
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.16 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Oron You and Ezoran have shown more than once that you do not understand the natur of nosec business, therefor I tryed to help you and the readers to gain a better understanding.
In contradiction, Stins honesty is out of question and my trust in his person without limit. I know that he is expirienced in nosec business, cause he was director of my former Corporation, and I flew with him for many hours AND he is totaly hooked by the nosec.
Sorry, but I DO run my business in no-sec. The vast majority of Fury hHoldings income has always been from sales in 0.0. And I'm not the first to do it - Proton Power (or the other guy who's always called his alt that gos afk for months at a time) did the same thing. And we both made profits way better than ISSO's. If you can't make a good profit buyng in high-sec and selling in 0,.0 then you're doing somethign seriously wrong. I'm lazy and drink a fair bit - but I can still amke 8-10% per week gross without breaking a sweat. I KNOW if I put some effort in I could double that - but it's a game and I can't be bothered.
Try asking my share-holders - I doubt very much you'll find a single one with a omplaint. They KNOW I'm laxy and like a beer - but I still deliver way more than ISSO ever has. And I don't hide from questions or make excuses if something goes wrong. If you (or anyone else) seriously believes that making <10% permonth takes effort then you honestly don't have a clue. ISK really DOES grow on trees - you just need a few hours per day to pluck some. And the game's full of people who are willing to let you pluck for them and only give half of it. I've never hidden the fact I only give half of what I pluck - I suspect ISSO jus tstand around at the base of the tree waiting to see what drops and never reach up and pull down some of the easy ISK that's hanging there.
I've always marketted what I do as a one-man enterprise - because that's what it is. If I had a whole alliance doing the fairly obvious and simple things necessary to make some profit then I'd hope I'd do even better. Having ISSO around is great for me - them (and all the other long-term investmkents) are so crap I don't even have to try to look good. But let's not delude ourselves: they're crap and I don't bother trying. I'm pretty sure Shadarle gave up trying ages ago as well - just he knows how easy making ISK is and can't work out a alliace supposedly devoted to that objective can perform so appallingly without either being corrupt or incompetent.
Personally I hope ISSO keep going and paying 5%. There's worse than them - and I believe their intentions are good (just they're pretty crap). All the time people think their 5% is OK then I can skip a day or two here and there, put in little effort and still come out smelling of roses. And that suits me just fine.
Just don't come out with this "0.0 is harder than Empire" rubbish. I live, fight and trade in 0.0. And even allowing for depreciation of T2 stock the profits are easy and good.
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.16 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: FastLearner on 16/10/2007 00:29:36
Originally by: Mark Weston Where did this weird idea come from that all the members of the ISS alliance were employees of the shareholders?
This was never remotely true, or intended to be true.
ISS is a small 0.0 alliance doing all the things alliances who are heavily involved in the Great War do. Individual pilots in ISS are going to be worrying about reinforcement timers on the F4R POSs, not maximising shareholder return.
ISSO is a business run by Stins and, presumably, a handful of assistants.
To an extent I agree with you. I believe the entire "we have a whole alliance working for us" line wass just total BS. But having fed the public BS on that, they should deliver on somethign else to salvage their reputation. I'd say the truith is that ISSO nowadays is run by a handful of people desperate to satisfy their shareholders - but lacking in the basic abilities necessary to do so. it's a shame they've sunk so low but at some stage they need to face up to it - and admit they're actually pretty bad at making ISK.
That said, all the time the forums are full of apoogists they can draw things out. No need to actually deliver or give explanations whilst there's a horde of people willing to dress up excuses as rationalisations.
let me be clear: ISSO makes absolutely no difference to me (beyond beng a handy comparison when I want to stroke my e-peen). I've never had problems raising capital I need (quite the opposite) and probably never will. It's just sad that Eve players' expectations are as low as they are and somehow someone who promises a minimum of crap and only ever delivers crap is seen as doing well. When, of course, they're just crap.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.16 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
1. Pay more than 10% -- which is the threshold you need to see additional return
Several IPO's pay over 10% these days. And an IPO that offers less than 7% to investors couldn't even start these days. And that is trending upwards to 8% due to FuryBanker and others yielding such good profits.
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
2. File regular reports here on the forum
Basically every IPO that has launched in recent memory has given at best monthly reports, several are doing weekly or bi-weekly reports. And a few that don't are doing them for investors in mailing lists that anyone can sing up for if they want them.
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
3. Manage hundreds of billions in assets
ISSO is the only one. They are in fact 6-10 times larger than most, yet their actual ISK profits are barely higher than some of the MUCH smaller IPO's. But if they can't use 300 billion then they shouldn't have 300 billion. They should give back whatever money they cannot use efficiently. You can't use having a lot of money as an excuse. If you do then you have an obligation to hand back to your shareholders their money. Honestly though I don't know if the people running ISSO could make good profits off of 50 billion, they just seem to be bad at this. And I think they'd provide even worse reports if they had less money.
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
4. Have faithfully paid out to shareholders for years
So EIB paying out dividends for a long time meant that they could scam people in the end? Honestly, lots of ISS shareholders didn't do too well off their investments in the end because of how badly ISS got thrashed. They may have earned their money back... but people don't invest just to get their money back a year later... they invest to get a profit plus still have a sound investment they can sell if they wish.
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
5. Have received anything approximating the same level of criticism
Not sure why you'd bring up how much criticism ISSO gets. That isn't a positive. They get criticism for good reason. They are not open with their investors, they claim things are going well, then the next month things are worse... consistently this happens. They keep feeding investors the "things are going to get better" line, but they keep getting worse. This seems like the line "We're making progress in Iraq!" when things are spiraling downwards daily.
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Oron
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Posted - 2007.10.16 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Oron on 16/10/2007 02:16:22
Hi FastLearner,
Originally by: FastLearner Sorry, but I DO run my business in no-sec.
No reason to be sorry, its a nice business - but I dont see how I possible stepped on your toes, cause the text you quoted was not directed toward you. :)
Originally by: FastLearner And we both made profits way better than ISSO's. If you can't make a good profit buyng in high-sec and selling in 0,.0 then you're doing somethign seriously wrong.
I am not very well informed about your business, but as far as I know your shopping basket is ~20bil isk in minerals and ships/moduls? I am sure you know, everyone can pick up a cheap MAR 2 in empire and sell it in nosec for XXX% profit, and many ppl can do this at a transporter or even a freighter scale and still yield X%, like you do. Doing the same with 200bil is again a "little bit" different, is'nt? That you would prolly need more than the 2 market places you seems to use, and this is more than just one or two freighter runs per week sneaked in at off times. Would you agree?
Funny conclusion: you gain the best procentual profit if you lend the noob money to trade a single MAR2. Now counting the numbers of noobs arriving every day this would be quite a gold mine.
Quote: Just don't come out with this "0.0 is harder than Empire" rubbish. I live, fight and trade in 0.0.
Yea, thats just carebears propaganda. Deep nosec is actualy quite save if you know what you do. It is my strong belive that small to medium scale business is very profitale and not that hard to achive in nosec - and lota fun too, but no doubt there are special conditions if you are a alliance dedicated to the nosec market - you would'nt agree with me?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.16 02:48:00 -
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Edited by: Shadarle on 16/10/2007 02:48:14
Originally by: Oron I am not very well informed about your business, but as far as I know your shopping basket is ~20bil isk in minerals and ships/moduls? I am sure you know, everyone can pick up a cheap MAR 2 in empire and sell it in nosec for XXX% profit, and many ppl can do this at a transporter or even a freighter scale and still yield X%, like you do. Doing the same with 200bil is again a "little bit" different, is'nt? That you would prolly need more than the 2 market places you seems to use, and this is more than just one or two freighter runs per week sneaked in at off times. Would you agree?
I think this is a clear example of why you are failing to understand where we are coming from.
FuryBanker does not claim to make the same or better % profit as ISSO, he makes the same ACTUAL isk profit! He makes almost the same ISK per month as ISSO does. He does this with about 1/4 of the ISK ISSO has. Thus his returns are actually close to 4 times that of ISSO percentage wise.
This is the same thing I do. I make the same actual ISK profits of ISSO and I also have far less capital to work with.
If you gave Furybanker 150 billion he wouldn't even have to earn 1 more penny to make the same % profit as ISSO. But if he even made 1% return on that 150 billion he'd be making more money than ISSO.
To be 100% clear, making 5% on 200 billion is the same ISK as making 20% on 50 billion. Thus if someone can do 20% on 50 billion they've proven they can make 5% on 200 billion, but it is very likely they would do far above 5% as they would obviously be making some additional profit with the rest of the money.
I personally can earn between 7-8% with unlimited amounts of ISK. Probably closer to 10%, but I'm being conservative. I know this because I continue pumping more money into a few things it and I'm not even remotely close to hitting a limit on them. And I haven't even tried a few other methods of long term 99% passive earning. So ISSO making less than that is doing worse with active ISK than I could do mostly passively.
I invested in ISSO to help the 0.0 community and I was sure the profits would be better than 5% in no short order. They have already been crushed in 0.0, unfortunately, because I really liked the idea of a safe 0.0 space for anyone who wished to come out there to start a corp or a business. And their profits suck. What reason is there to stay invested in ISSO?
And this would be a perfect example of shareholder names being very useful. I'd like to know what percentage of ISSO is owned by ISS alliance members and ISS corp members. Also, I'd like to know how much Stins has invested in it. Knowing if they have trust in their own ability or if their alliance mates don't even feel their alliance is capable of earning the profits they think they should get. And also to see just how many people outside the ISS alliance are invested.
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Cenzo
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Posted - 2007.10.16 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Ricdic
Originally by: Fury Banker
Ricidc made a similar error. If the minerals to build a ship are worth 18.5 but you buy them on contract for 17 million then you DON'Y make 1.5 million more profit building that ship than someone who bought the minerals for 18.5 million (assuming you both sell it for the same price). You made exactly the same profit on the ship - but you also made 1.5 million profit on the minerals.
Kinda silly argument though. Either way you made a profit. If you want to attribute that profit to your secondary tier (manufacturing after purchasing) then it still relates to a higher profit margin regardless
I won't release business plans that say I made a 3% profit margin on minerals purchased along with a 2% profit margin on ships produced. Whilst one could argue that this was the case it really is irrelevant in the big picture as the profit margin stays the same in both instances.
Are we all really this bored arguing such trivial points?
It really is not a trivial point. If you do not account for the difference then you are potentially producing items for a loss of profit.
You have to know where your profits are coming from. Buying minerals cheaper does not mean you make a larger profit producing items, it means you make more profit overall. The difference is huge. You can't let yourself believe production is profitable just because you bought the components cheaply. You always have to remember the opportunity cost. You have to know that you could sell those minerals. You then must make more producing then you could selling the minerals. If you don't split out your profit centers then you won't know if you're maximizing your profits.
And Slurm, we are NOT talking ROI. We do not care about ROI. You're right in a math sense that he is making his returns on 7 mil, no one will argue the strict definition of ROI in that case. We are saying ROI is a poor way to look at it in this case. So you can repeat 100 times the definition of ROI, we aren't arguing with you on that point.
And now that two people have shown they make the same or more money than ISSO with far less capital I think it really demands a response from Stins.
All you idiots should get a clue and wikipedia "Marked to Market Accounting."
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Oron
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Posted - 2007.10.16 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: Oron on 16/10/2007 07:05:49
Originally by: Shadarle I personally can earn between 7-8% with unlimited amounts of ISK. Probably closer to 10%, but I'm being conservative.
So if you had 200bil isk you would still only make 8% profit out of it? Well if ISS is total crap, you are only 3% better then total crap - and still 192% worser than my examplary noob in a Merlin trading a single MAR2 . I think you just lost this thread :)
Originally by: Shadarle I invested in ISSO to help the 0.0 community and I was sure the profits would be better than 5% in no short order.
Seems even ubar isk cows like you make bad investment decisions, and investing in the original plan of ISSO was a terrible decision, because in my opinion their original "open market in nosec" plan was doomed to fail. Out of curiosity - how much profit did you expected?
p.s. could someone pls point me to the current report of this furry investment? All I find in Eve-Search are reports from jule...
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2007.10.16 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ambo on 16/10/2007 08:25:47 Edited by: Ambo on 16/10/2007 08:23:53
Originally by: FastLearner If you (or anyone else) seriously believes that making <10% permonth takes effort then you honestly don't have a clue. ISK really DOES grow on trees - you just need a few hours per day to pluck some.
This is so true, making vast amounts of money is almost laughably easy in Eve. Sure, I've never dealt in the 100's of billions or even 10's of billions range but I can make billions every month with only an hour or two a day in-game.
Lets say ISSO is made up of 6 people, all working different regions or whatever. That's 50 billion for each person to work with and 5% of that would be 2.5 billion... I can make twice that with one tenth of the starting capital!
Edit - In fact, just realised it would be even less as much of ISSO's money is in the loans, etc.
I respect what ISSO are trying to do but frankly, they are either not doing very well or are skimming off the top. Yes, they are delivering what they promise. Yes, they are working with large amounts of isk. Looking at the whole picture though, it simply does not add up and thier silence does not inspire confidence.
If I screw somthing up, or somthing unexpected happens that affects profits then I'll tell people in my weekly report and be happy to discuss it with people. ISSO, on the other hand, seem to have no problem sitting back and letting people speculate on what is wrong and that is worrying.
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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
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Posted - 2007.10.16 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
I personally can earn between 7-8% with unlimited amounts of ISK. Probably closer to 10%, but I'm being conservative.
tl;dr
But this is the end of the conversation here anyway. Per the ISSO stipulations YOU WOULD ONLY BE PAYING 5% YOURSELF.
The rest of it all looked like material, so whatever.
And the trust issue applies to Fury Banker Fast Learner, whoever this noob is. If there's a single IPO likely to be an EIB-type scam, my money is on this guy. ISSO will pay -- and now they guarantee share price.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.16 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Oron So if you had 200bil isk you would still only make 8% profit out of it? Well if ISS is total crap, you are only 3% better then total crap - and still 192% worser than my examplary noob in a Merlin trading a single MAR2 . I think you just lost this thread :)
Damn, I'd only making 60% better profits as a solo player plying 30-120 minutes per day compared to an entire alliance with a singular focus? And I'd actually be making more than 8%, I'd however be able to make 7-8% without playing more than 10 mins per day on average from passive sources. I could then bring that up to 9-12% from actively trading part of the isk.
Originally by: Oron
Seems even ubar isk cows like you make bad investment decisions, and investing in the original plan of ISSO was a terrible decision, because in my opinion their original "open market in nosec" plan was doomed to fail. Out of curiosity - how much profit did you expected?
I'm not ubar in any way. I keep telling you this. I'm nothing special at all. ISSO is merely horrid at making money. Any real alliance working to make a profit would trounce me. There are many players who make far more ISK than I do. If some of them posted it would really make ISSO look foolish. Though a few have, such as FuryBanker, who makes better profits than I. But then he uses 0.0 and I do not, which he fully admits is where he makes big money from. I am quite impressed with his ability to make money.
I invested in ISSO mostly for the good of EVE, as corny as it sounds, because I liked what they were trying to do in 0.0. Now that most of that has failed ISSO is about divs and they are severely lacking in that regard. Anyone in it just for the divs from the beginning was indeed making a horrible investment it seems, though who could have thought an entire alliance would be this bad at making money?
Originally by: Oron
p.s. could someone pls point me to the current report of this furry investment? All I find in Eve-Search are reports from jule...
It was on the very first page of the forum last night... it shouldn't be that hard to find.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:31:00 -
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Investors: I am coming to pay ISS a visit once more. The last time this occurred, they lost all their stations. I expect a similar market forecast in their near future. Now might be a good time to sell your shares.
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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
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Posted - 2007.10.17 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani Investors: I am coming to pay ISS a visit once more. The last time this occurred, they lost all their stations. I expect a similar market forecast in their near future. Now might be a good time to sell your shares.
Yet another dope who has no idea how ISSO makes money. Aren't you supposed to be smart or something? Maybe you should read the photocopies you make in the law office mailroom.
>KA-POW!<
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2007.10.17 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani Investors: I am coming to pay ISS a visit once more. The last time this occurred, they lost all their stations. I expect a similar market forecast in their near future. Now might be a good time to sell your shares.
Still attention seeking Mittani, or just trying to make some quick isk on share price fluctuations? I was so much more interesting when you wrote long prose and actually had enough of a clue to fool some of the people some of time.
Alas, I regret the only enlightening point in your post is my response as to how out of touch your forecast remains.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:15:00 -
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Well, we now have the ex-CEO of ISSO posting here. All we gotta do is get the non ex and we'll see what kind of answer is given. Though I have a feeling it will be as snarky as the first.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele
Originally by: The Mittani Investors: I am coming to pay ISS a visit once more. The last time this occurred, they lost all their stations. I expect a similar market forecast in their near future. Now might be a good time to sell your shares.
Still attention seeking Mittani, or just trying to make some quick isk on share price fluctuations? I was so much more interesting when you wrote long prose and actually had enough of a clue to fool some of the people some of time.
Alas, I regret the only enlightening point in your post is my response as to how out of touch your forecast remains.
share price fluctuations? yeah, a year into it and you can still buy shares at ipo price. lemme tell you, if that's not a good indicator of something...
but alas, i really don't have much any interest left now, dumped most of the shares already this week.
the funny part is the reactions of people supporting this *share*. i thought only gaming companies had lemming fanbois or idiots that couldn't think logically to save their lives -- i was very wrong.
so much for the playerbase being so much more intelligent than the wow playerbase.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
Originally by: Johnny ReeRee lots of the typica non-factual trolling
'nuff said.
but for the hell of stupidity -- if i said i could do 15% per week, but a guaranteed minimum of 1% per week and all i ever did was 1%; then, by your *standards*, i'd be damned good. as long as no one else was doing 15% a week. right?
don't answer it, it'll just be typical "give me attention" ****.
That's awesome! Sure, just change the numbers until THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND NOW YOUR POINT IS PROVED!
Outstanding. Just outstanding.
Ezoran, don't ever change.
i would get upset at your remarks if they ever made sense and weren't just goldfish-memory typings. but you honestly make me laugh. please please please CONTINUE to post your support of isso, you do more damage with your support than any facts of wrongdoing/poorwhatever could do.
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Rhiraven
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:38:00 -
[175]
I might be missing something here. Is ISSO missing payments or something? Are they having trouble handling a bank run?
What are you arguing about again? ISSO does not have a very good return on investment, but it's 100% stable, guaranteed. You all seem to agree... How you can all troll each other so hard while still agreeing on the major point is beyond me.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:43:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Rhiraven I might be missing something here. Is ISSO missing payments or something? Are they having trouble handling a bank run?
What are you arguing about again? ISSO does not have a very good return on investment, but it's 100% stable, guaranteed. You all seem to agree... How you can all troll each other so hard while still agreeing on the major point is beyond me.
not sure what your major point of agreement is, or how asking legitimate questions is trolling (of course some idiots consider all questions to be trolling, and the intarwebz are full of aforementioned buffoons); but um, good job~!! two devils for you~!!
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Rhiraven
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd aforementioned buffoons
I didn't mention any buffoons. Did you mention buffoons? I don't know where these buffoons were forementioned. Is there an appendix I should be referencing for global variable definitions for this thread?
I can see it now. Figure 1, article 4; Buffoons, definition of: ...
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.18 20:45:00 -
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I wonder how many ISSO shares ISS members will have to buy to make it look like they aren't having to buy back far more shares than they are selling.
T'would be extremely interesting to see their shareholder list but then they can't even make a simple post on the forums so why would they actually go through any actual effort to please shareholders?
I sold my shares off earlier today. I did not do this because I dislike ISSO, I did this because I feel it is being managed and run by incompetent traders who don't care at all about their shareholders. I had really hoped ISSO would expand 0.0, allowing more people and corporations access in a relatively safe area. But they have failed at this and even worse they have failed to show any inkling of ability to run a public corporation of this size.
What led me to believe all these things? The people in this thread defending ISSO made me realize just how bad off ISSO was. The fact that not a single ISSO member would come here to defend the corp or to explain some things which should be very easy to defend. The fact that Stins saw the complaints and instead of answering them attempted to insult me... and in so doing showed that he didn't even know the difference between ISK profits and percentage profits. I can only assume he is too embarrassed to return here, after finding out two solo traders each can make more than his entire alliance can make.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.10.18 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rhiraven
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd aforementioned buffoons
I didn't mention any buffoons. Did you mention buffoons? I don't know where these buffoons were forementioned. Is there an appendix I should be referencing for global variable definitions for this thread?
I can see it now. Figure 1, article 4; Buffoons, definition of: ...
if you look at the post you quoted, i believe idiots and buffoons are almost over each other. trust me, i do understand how you missed it and/or don't know the meanings of both words.
but, nice sidetrack.
did your post somehow make iss more profitable this month after losing those pos' of late?
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.19 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: Robacz on 19/10/2007 07:43:56
Originally by: Shadarle The fact that Stins saw the complaints and instead of answering them attempted to insult me...
Just out of curiosity, where did he attempt to insult you? I was not following entire thread, but I recall only one Stin's post - and that was single line post with no sign of any insult.
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