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Zing Hu
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Posted - 2007.10.04 16:49:00 -
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Dragon Systems was formed to identify and monetize Empire to Low-Sec trading routes that are currently under-utilized. We are seeking private equity funding to establish offices in stations of interest in Low-Sec and Empire space as well as to fund as necessary product placements for sale in those offices.
We look forward to meeting the needs of corporate and private clients in Low-Sec who are seeking to outsource the acquisition of their Empire supplies at reasonable rates in regular intervals for delivery to their Low-Sec stations.
We will engage, form partnerships, with Empire based channel partners who may find it useful to develop another distribution network to new customers and corporate clients.
If you are interested in one of the above please contact Dragon Systems.
Zing Hu CEO Dragon Systems
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.04 16:55:00 -
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This reads more like a press release than a serious extended offer to private investors and others. I would personally recommend a bit more "meat" to your post. I wish you luck.
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Zinfadel
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Posted - 2007.10.04 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx This reads more like a press release than a serious extended offer to private investors and others. I would personally recommend a bit more "meat" to your post. I wish you luck.
Venture Capitalists will invest private equity in a business for many different reasons or goals. It would almost have to read like a press release to provide a high level overview of the corporate goals, target market, etc. If we were a public corporation, it would have also have been a more lengthy post.
If you would like more specific information and you wish to post those questions here, your welcome to post it here and I will send a response to your office, contact you directly, post here if appropriate, or you may take up my original offer and contact me directly through evemail or a conversation. If you have a Teamspeak server or something similar we can do that as well.
Zing Hu CEO Dragon Systems
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2007.10.04 17:17:00 -
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DragonRiderTao?
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.04 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ricdic on 04/10/2007 17:21:36
Originally by: Ray McCormack DragonRiderTao?
He doesn't post anywhere near as coherent as this guy
To the OP, I don't know if I am comfortable giving my isk to someone who will be using shuttles and noob ships to move goods into low sec systems. Please advise.
edit: You realise you just posted with two different characters? I prefer the second one as he is 3 days old so far more trustworthy.
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Zing Hu
Gallente Dragon Systems
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Posted - 2007.10.04 17:42:00 -
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Realized it about 2 seconds after I did it. To late to change it. Set the default character on it instead.
Personally I would never consider shipping in a "noob ship". It would not work well or profitably to use anything smaller than an Industrial to ship goods to Low-Sec unless you had a death wish. Even then your better off in a Carrier for any number of reasons. Bringing Freighters in without serious protection wouldn't be a great idea either. To much risk. I could ship in combat ships as well as trading ships. Whatever is appropriate.
In the end it depends on the m3 of the order, the transit agreements in place with the local sovereign corporations, and the frequency of pirates or neutral/enemy corps in the area among other things. I would ship into Catch right now as long as I took care to be positive standings to all the various factions involved in that conflict going on and took reasonable security precautions. Could be very profitable too. Yes, i realize just how complex getting those standings would be.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Estate
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Posted - 2007.10.04 17:57:00 -
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I think the concern mentioned before comes from:
1) Young characters. 2) A vague idea of how this plan will work. 3) Undeveloped. You haven't even spoken to people who want/need standings from?
While it's not a bad idea, and plenty of individuals and industrial groups both run business doing just what you have proposed, there are a lot of shady and/or loose ends here for a public investment version of this business. Also keep in mind that all of these comments are meant as constructive criticism for your efforts.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.04 18:05:00 -
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This one seems like an amazing buy! I'd fully fund this myself, but since I care so much for the player driven companies in EVE I will step aside and let others fund this. But only because I'm such a nice guy, not because of how extremely fishy this seems.
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Zing Hu
Gallente Dragon Systems
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Posted - 2007.10.04 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Selene D'Celeste I think the concern mentioned before comes from: 1) Young characters. 2) A vague idea of how this plan will work. 3) Undeveloped. You haven't even spoken to people who want/need standings from? /quote]
I appreciate the feedback and wasn't taking anything personally Selene. No one was trolling and the responders all represent large public holdings of isk reserves, my target market for the equity funding. You have my full attention.
If you wouldn't mind, I'll respond to your points.
1. Young Characters - Lack of resources, knowledge of the appropriate parties in Low-Sec, never mind the appropriate skill set to deliver what we say we will deliver. I've been in eve for a few months and have a low-sec character who rarely gets back to empire. 40 hops to Jita takes a while if your are not cyno jumping! I've been in various stations belonging to various corporations. Been blown up in PvP and in Mining Barges and Hulks. I've done gate camps, roving gangs, scanning down enemy ships, etc. Also done a fair bit of trading. Ultimately I expect that one of my large corporate clients will require me to divest myself of that existing Low Sec corp direct relationship. I'll deal with that when it comes. On the plus side, that character is primarily an industrial type character able to fly and operate the necessary ships. I personally bring knowledge of how low-sec corporations operate and how to identify and develop the necessary relationships to make the business plan work.
2. Business Plan Stations in 0.0 have a different set of problems than Empire related to their supply. They can get plenty of salvage or harvested modules from their kills, enemies and rats, but often lack the fundamental services. Things like consumables (mining crystals, ammo, deployable, etc.) Or mounts for the T1 ships that do a lot of the fighting (Engineering and Electronics). More expensive pieces for their T2 ships. The corporations and individuals involved can and do make items on their own, but its rarely enough, takes to long, paperwork in triplicate, and there is no alternate source to buy it close by if you have a rush need. (Can't tell you how many times I have found what I need in the market browser only exists seventeen hops away in an enemy station and it is more than that to empire.)
What Dragon Systems would do would be to engage those Low-Sec corporate entities that maintain those stations, developing a trading relationship with them to provide whatever fundamental mercantile needs they have in exchange for permission to place an office and warehouse there.
On the Empire side we would establish partnerships with appropriate manufacturers to provide those mercantile needs. We would ship goods to Low-Sec through the appropriate mechanism (Carrier, Industrial Convoy, other, etc.) as appropriate for a flat fee. The return trip to empire space would be with whatever those corporations and private entities what us to sell for them. We could either buy it off them or take a finder's fee for finding an Empire buyer for it. We would also have the opportunity to ship these to other areas of Low-Sec where they may have a higher value than locally. We would make or primary profit from using those local offices to analyze the market and delivery what is needed.
3. Getting Standings If BoB wants me to ship in their areas we will need and get standing with them. If Goonswarm wants the same we will get standings with them. If Triumvirate needs us, we will get standings with them.
Our goal is to have offices in each of the regional trade hubs that exist in Low-Sec. We will organize our divisions by regions with staff based in those regions, intimately familiar with the wants and needs of those regions.
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Zing Hu
Gallente Dragon Systems
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Posted - 2007.10.04 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle This one seems like an amazing buy! I'd fully fund this myself, but since I care so much for the player driven companies in EVE I will step aside and let others fund this. But only because I'm such a nice guy, not because of how extremely fishy this seems.
Perhaps you have some goods that you need a market for Shadarle?
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Fury Banker
Fury Bank Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.04 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zing Hu Personally I would never consider shipping in a "noob ship". It would not work well or profitably to use anything smaller than an Industrial to ship goods to Low-Sec unless you had a death wish. Even then your better off in a Carrier for any number of reasons.
Aside from the question of how a young character can fly a carrier, you DO reaslise that carriers can't jump in and out of high-sec? Moving goods from high-sec to low-sec by carrier just isn't an option (other than for one-offs if you pay billions to buy one of the few carriers left in high-sec).
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Zing Hu
Gallente Dragon Systems
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Posted - 2007.10.04 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Fury Banker
Originally by: Zing Hu Personally I would never consider shipping in a "noob ship". It would not work well or profitably to use anything smaller than an Industrial to ship goods to Low-Sec unless you had a death wish. Even then your better off in a Carrier for any number of reasons.
Aside from the question of how a young character can fly a carrier, you DO reaslise that carriers can't jump in and out of high-sec? Moving goods from high-sec to low-sec by carrier just isn't an option (other than for one-offs if you pay billions to buy one of the few carriers left in high-sec).
I understand how Carriers operate. We will choose the appropriate delivery mechanism for the job. I will not be the only pilot. In fact, I would prefer not to be the pilot at all for shipments. I will spend enough of my time managing relationships, finding the best markets for our goods, opening offices, recruiting the best people, etc. All the 1001 things that come with corporate management.
I don't expect to be running a 10 billion isk/week business overnight or even this week. Developing all those relationships will take some time. I'd be happy to find an equity partner representing a manufacturer who is not getting enough product to a particular area and doesn't have the time to do it themselves. They could front us enough product to stock the warehouse of an office. Perhaps they could sponsor an office in Low-Sec by providing those relationships and standings in return for a service or part ownership in that profits of that office. Perhaps a Low-Sec corp partner who needs a regular supply of widgits and doesn't want to waste their own time schlepping it from Empire. There are many possibilities.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.04 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ricdic on 04/10/2007 20:01:24
Originally by: Zing Hu Yes, i realize just how complex getting those standings would be.
Did you consider that you need skills to do these things.
I think you have missed the point here. HOW does a 3 day old character:
a) pilot an industrial (possible)? b) know the difference between hi-sec and lo-sec? c) think they know how the market works? d) talk of freighter hauling through lowsec? e) know where Catch is or has been there? f) why does your OP post refer to WE 5 times when you are a 1 man corp?
Seriously dude, post with your main or at the very least try verifying that you have a main. Who is stupid enough to give a 1-3 day old character isk with zero information...
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Zing Hu
Gallente Dragon Systems
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Posted - 2007.10.04 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic Edited by: Ricdic on 04/10/2007 20:01:24
Originally by: Zing Hu Yes, i realize just how complex getting those standings would be.
Did you consider that you need skills to do these things.
I think you have missed the point here. HOW does a 3 day old character:
a) pilot an industrial (possible)? b) know the difference between hi-sec and lo-sec? c) think they know how the market works? d) talk of freighter hauling through lowsec? e) know where Catch is or has been there? f) why does your OP post refer to WE 5 times when you are a 1 man corp?
Seriously dude, post with your main or at the very least try verifying that you have a main. Who is stupid enough to give a 1-3 day old character isk with zero information...
You can deride my knowledge of the markets if you like Ricdic. I've barely mentioned the markets more than a very summarized synopsis. Never claimed to be more than I am. I expect that most if not all of you know far more about the markets than I do. In fact that is the point.
There is going to be something that some of you don't have the time to do and feel you can farm out to another corp. Even a corp of one. All corps grow. That is why I have tried to say we rather than I.
In any event, thanks for taking the time to post.
Zing Hu
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Zing Hu
Gallente Dragon Systems
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Posted - 2007.10.04 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Fury Banker
Originally by: Zing Hu Personally I would never consider shipping in a "noob ship". It would not work well or profitably to use anything smaller than an Industrial to ship goods to Low-Sec unless you had a death wish. Even then your better off in a Carrier for any number of reasons.
Aside from the question of how a young character can fly a carrier, you DO realise that carriers can't jump in and out of high-sec? Moving goods from high-sec to low-sec by carrier just isn't an option (other than for one-offs if you pay billions to buy one of the few carriers left in high-sec).
Respectfully, Low-Sec corps DO move goods by Carrier if the route from Empire to their core 0.0 systems transits places where a billion+ isk in goods would be a risk out in the open, even with a gang of ships to protect it. You trans-ship to the appropriate point, load the carrier up, open up a cyno, and go. Do the same in reverse. Carrier pilots would generally rather be flying PvP so they get ornery to do it, but sometimes you just have to do it to get what you need.
In any case, I've seen a lot of threads about appropriate financial disclosure for a public corporation. what do you feel would be appropriate financial disclosure for a private corporation if I were to say report on operations a month from now?
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Karanth
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.10.05 00:12:00 -
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Disclosing a main might be a better thing to try, or getting someone here, with capital, to back you up a bit, might go much farther.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.05 02:52:00 -
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If you don't reveal a main then there isn't the slightest chance anyone with a brain would invest.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 03:53:00 -
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You completely missed the 5 questions I asked, and instead talk about cyno's and carriers as if it were second nature. I have no doubts you have a main and are failing to advise who your main is.
I would rather invest in a 3 day old noob who actually took the time to explain things honestly whilst answering questions.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.05 04:49:00 -
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Just a piece of advice....
Most people in the market who have been around a while have highly developed BS detectors. You've been warned.
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:05:00 -
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You're complete ignoring of questions makes me dislike this more and more.
just to make sure you havn't missed the point, no one is going to invest in a 2-3 day old character who dodges questions about how they are going to operate core asspects of the business they say they are going to run.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.10.05 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx Just a piece of advice....
Most people in the market who have been around a while have highly developed BS detectors. You've been warned.
I haven't been around the Market forums here or been investing long or even have half the knowledge about it that some do, but even I smell something stinky here.
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