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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.05 02:00:00 -
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Great news for New Players that plan on using the Bomber ! This will even great for the ganker pirates if eve had any. Thats right to players that like to fight it seems the next patch is making the Bomber work better. Plus the Bomber seems to work better in TQ now and if you think its not true then test it out and buy one. After all the Bomber is a cheap ship and you will not care is it gets pop at a gate or not. And when you see how the cruise missiles work with it now you will be shock! So try one to day. I like to hear if others find it as great for its price.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.05 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana This will even great for the ganker pirates if eve had any.
Whatever meds you're on, please, take them. ------------ Whiners - Unite! | Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.10.05 02:03:00 -
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I'll have some of whatever he's smoking
Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking
Originally by: CCP John Proctor
Gates made from your nearest scrap yard can only be so space effecient
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.05 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Hilabana This will even great for the ganker pirates if eve had any.
Whatever meds you're on, please, take them.
What are you telling me eve has pirates
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.05 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I'll have some of whatever he's smoking
LOL PlunderBunny do you even play any more ?
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.05 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana What are you telling me eve has pirates
I'm just going to ignore this point and judge your post by its other - although slim - merits. 1. Stealth Bombers with cruise missiles are very effective in groups, yes. 2. They are relatively cheap, yes 3. Revelations 3.0 will see major improvements to bombs, specifically that you can launch them like you'd expect to instead of dropping them. 4. Probably won't be much use to pirates. ------------ Whiners - Unite! | Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist. |
Azrael Maxim
Flexible Demeanour
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Posted - 2007.10.05 02:08:00 -
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What changed to the stealth bomber exactly that makes them even better ?
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.05 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Azrael Maxim What changed to the stealth bomber exactly that makes them even better ?
First you will need the skill for it to lvl 5 and then buy one and see for your self.
Have fun and fly safe
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Azrael Maxim
Flexible Demeanour
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Posted - 2007.10.05 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana
Originally by: Azrael Maxim What changed to the stealth bomber exactly that makes them even better ?
First you will need the skill for it to lvl 5 and then buy one and see for your self.
Have fun and fly safe
wait I thought you posted this thread to inform us ? Now I have to go and look for myself
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Stellar Vix
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.05 05:22:00 -
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New bomber trait bombs will now 'sail' to thier targets based on how fast the bomber was ong.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.05 07:04:00 -
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Stop it with the *****, please.
- Recruitment open again-
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Dirk Magnum
Red Light Enterprises Eastern Star Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.05 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana
After all the Bomber is a cheap ship and you will not care is it gets pop at a gate or not. And when you see how the cruise missiles work with it now you will be shock!
A low-HP frigate that costs as much as a battlecruiser to fit well and doesn't insure for crap? No, I cared when mine got popped at a gate.
And what's the boost to cruise missiles now? People have only mentioned changes to the bombs as far as I've heard.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:58:00 -
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there is no changes coming next patch. this is an odd atemp at getting people to fly bombers... I have a feeling the op called them bombers because he can't spell stealth.
Nothing but the way bombs work, and that's not next patch, that's next expansion.
everyone knows this already. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room... |
Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.05 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon there is no changes coming next patch. this is an odd atemp at getting people to fly bombers... I have a feeling the op called them bombers because he can't spell stealth.
Nothing but the way bombs work, and that's not next patch, that's next expansion.
everyone knows this already.
It is not verry stealth if they see you using a Bomb now is it ? and not all new player know you can put cruise missile on them ! So why not go into a new player system and try helping them some time and not just thinking every player in eve knows what you know. If you know much of this then ignore the parts you know then.
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.05 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Hilabana
After all the Bomber is a cheap ship and you will not care is it gets pop at a gate or not. And when you see how the cruise missiles work with it now you will be shock!
A low-HP frigate that costs as much as a battlecruiser to fit well and doesn't insure for crap? No, I cared when mine got popped at a gate.
And what's the boost to cruise missiles now? People have only mentioned changes to the bombs as far as I've heard.
But you are not telling them a battlecruiser can not go some places a Bomber can go or did you forget? Some places only let in some type of ships and if they wish to do a complex that will not let your Battlecruiser in how will that help?
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.10.05 15:54:00 -
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Well unless something drastic changed bombs can still only be launched in 0.0 anyway so any changes to them is a moot point really, bombers with cruise missiles are nice but bombs not so useful ---------
Liberty Rogues Website
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.05 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous Well unless something drastic changed bombs can still only be launched in 0.0 anyway so any changes to them is a moot point really, bombers with cruise missiles are nice but bombs not so useful
This post is for players in 0.0 to 1.0 a lot of new players do try 0.0 to get a feel for it.
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.10.05 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana
Originally by: Cypherous Well unless something drastic changed bombs can still only be launched in 0.0 anyway so any changes to them is a moot point really, bombers with cruise missiles are nice but bombs not so useful
This post is for players in 0.0 to 1.0 a lot of new players do try 0.0 to get a feel for it.
I wasn't commenting on 0.0 not being worth it just bombs not being worth it in my experience. ---------
Liberty Rogues Website
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Fehz
Ihatalo Navy YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.05 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I'll have some of whatever he's smoking
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Caranthir
Party People
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Posted - 2007.10.05 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Caranthir on 05/10/2007 16:14:18 Ehm.. I cannot see the use of this thread, because changes to bombs have been announced way back. Also there's not much info - it's like saying: * ooh! you're gonna love the new features on this car. - What new features? * Not telling.
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
A low-HP frigate that costs as much as a battlecruiser to fit well and doesn't insure for crap? No, I cared when mine got popped at a gate. And what's the boost to cruise missiles now? People have only mentioned changes to the bombs as far as I've heard.
I suspect the costs of a bc itself? I mean, if I had the isk I could faction fit a bomber and make it worth 100's of millions of isk. But with regular t2 gear you face like 30mil iirc. And although this is can be alot of isk for about 1k hp, its firepower and tactical use sure make up for it. You just need to learn how to use it, as it's a glass cannon. -
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Baaldor
Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.05 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana
Originally by: Cypherous Well unless something drastic changed bombs can still only be launched in 0.0 anyway so any changes to them is a moot point really, bombers with cruise missiles are nice but bombs not so useful
This post is for players in 0.0 to 1.0 a lot of new players do try 0.0 to get a feel for it.
1- Stealth Bombers are task oriented ships. They fit a specific task or roll. They do not have much of a universal appeal because of the cost of a limited use craft.
2- If I was hopping into a complex that allows only frigate sized craft..I would bring in a assault frig before I bring in a Stealth. First off Assault frigs are not very healthy for Stealth Bombers.
3-As far as piracy....yea but you have to pick you targets and you have to stay off the gates in lo sec. In 0.0 you can gate camp but again you have to pick your targets carefully.
4-As a bomber is sucks, The bomb thing is a waste of time money and resources. Until they get it to where it is useful then maybe.
5-Before you start sending these poor noobs out in these stealth bombers they should prolly know how to fit one properly and have the skills to use the proper fittings. They will be sorely disappointed when they make it 2 jumps in lo-sec and back in the clone vat because they have no idea how to fit or fly one.
6- Right now it is so hard to use for anything but a few things you really need "experience" (exp is not skill points mind you) flying it in combat to get an grasp on how to use it. Its not a plug and play craft like some of the other t2 stuff. It actually takes someone with good PvP experience to make a crappy craft into a decent one.
Conclusion.. 1- You are building and selling these damn things and you are trying to generate some business. 2-You have missed your meds and its time for you to take a nap.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2007.10.05 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Stop it with the *****, please.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.10.05 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Baaldor Conclusion.. 1- You are building and selling these damn things and you are trying to generate some business. 2-You have missed your meds and its time for you to take a nap.
3- Both CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2007.10.05 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Caranthir I suspect the costs of a bc itself? I mean, if I had the isk I could faction fit a bomber and make it worth 100's of millions of isk. But with regular t2 gear you face like 30mil iirc. And although this is can be alot of isk for about 1k hp, its firepower and tactical use sure make up for it. You just need to learn how to use it, as it's a glass cannon.
You do not need 30 mil to tech 2 fit a Stealth Bomber. At leeast not with the fittings I use. That would only be if you were using Phased Muon Damps instead of tech 2, but then you need more than 30 mil in all.
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Alpine 69
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.10.05 18:22:00 -
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This sure is one stupid thread.
Also, stealth bombers are pretty meh to fly.
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.05 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Alpine 69 This sure is one stupid thread.
Also, stealth bombers are pretty meh to fly.
Is this your very first try at flaming ? If it is you do need to work on it much more. After all i do know a number of ways to flame you at this time. and i do not need to even try hard to do it.
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Dirk Magnum
Red Light Enterprises Eastern Star Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.05 19:17:00 -
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When I said 30 mil (well, battlecruiser cost) I meant the ship itself with T2 launchers, midslot mods, and T2 BCS. And Improved Cloak.
Still, I like bombers, personally. I've never tried one out against npc battleships but they power through everything in low sec, and can even solo Level 3's if you keep an AB and sensor boost going as you move constantly away from the enemies. This whole thread has been very odd however. Dunno what Hilabana's angle is
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Threv Echandari
Caldari Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Threv Echandari on 05/10/2007 20:35:00 I would put thi in the odd post category. I will also say that I think English is not his primary language so it comes off a bit stilted. That said, I understand where he's coming from. I fy a Bomber and love it,but I also lose a few bombers so I know their limits (Glass Cannon is a very apt description). The Stealth Bomber properly fitted (Sensor Booter II, Sensor Damp II, Named Cruises with Faction ammo) has its uses though they are limited.
It really shines in groups of 5 to 10 with a Recon ship and a dictor. No bombs though, the 18 million (avg) price tag on the Bombs really limits their usefulness. Maybe 2.5-5 milllion is more reasonable.
Ratting in a Bomber? Not recommended but doable. The Drake BTW is a better Non-BS Ratter, but as pointed pointed out the Chassis will cost you 30Mill alone and then add all your modules but it will last waay longer than the SB. (but not as fun IMHO)
Triple 500K BS Spawns with Frigate escorts very doable (Fun too!). Cruiser Escorts though are tougher as they can close in and you can't pop them in one volly like you can with the Frigates and BS's just can't you to save their life! Note that last time I did this was a against Sanchas I would NOT do it against Guristas or anything else that might throw missiles or ECM at you, bad JuJu for the SB. Is it good for the new player? Thats a Good Question; Battlecruiser power in Frigate sized package? Nice. Paper Tank, not so nice. On the other hand New players actually would benefit as they and up training skill that will help them out later. (Frig 5 is the Gateway to T2 Friggie goodness) and if your a Ratter mission Runner or Farmer then Cloaking skills are always a plus.
Did I have point? Oh yeah I <3 SB's but the are not for everybody. and makes bombs cheaper! (Warp while cloaked would be nice too that would REALLY make it a "Stealth" Bomber)
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iiOs
Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: iiOs on 05/10/2007 20:39:26 wtf is this thread about
Edit: ah its one of this, look i can use internet translator threads?
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Dirk Magnum
Red Light Enterprises Eastern Star Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Threv Echandari (Warp while cloaked would be nice too that would REALLY make it a "Stealth" Bomber)
What they need is to have the smallest signature radius of any ship in the game. That's a more realistic depiction of what stealth is, anyway. It would also compensate for their extreme vulnerability in close quarters.
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