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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:11:00 -
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Will be wanted most? Being not a mission runner or a fleet battler - I don't know which will be actualy wanted based on what I heard about the Marauders. Big capital investment to grab a BS BPO and I am tending towards the scorpion.... But what is wanted, the BattleHAC or the Jumping Blackops? I'm guessing Ammarr ones will be popular right?
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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Mrsticks
Minmatar RNCGM Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:14:00 -
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They have said several times that there Won't be a BsHac, as for what the mission runner will be... no idea, course they coulda changed their mind/lied to us
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:16:00 -
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Black ops. The other one looks like a gimp tbh.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mrsticks They have said several times that there Won't be a BsHac, as for what the mission runner will be... no idea, course they coulda changed their mind/lied to us
According to the screencshots I am loking at for the Golem released yesterday - it is a HAC Battleship, needs HAC 4 as a prerequisit and Advanceed Wep to 5. The resists are notably lower but it is the next in line after the Nighthawk by the looks of it.
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated Black ops. The other one looks like a gimp tbh.
Rightho - Scorpion it is
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
But what is wanted, the BattleHAC or the Jumping Blackops?
Almost certainly the Marauders will be (massively) more popular. They are more general use, (afaik) suitable for mission running, and have lower skill reqs. The Black Ops ships require near-carrier levels of skills, and look to be pvp-only specialist ships. Cool ones, yes, but probably won't sell anywhere near the amounts the Marauders will.
Everything depends on final stats and bonuses, of course, far too early to say at the moment.
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:29:00 -
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The raven one.
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Arushia
Nova Labs Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:40:00 -
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I'm a bit upset that the t2 domi is black ops and the T2 thron is BattleHAC.
With no faction domi, drone carebears need some love.
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Mrsticks
Minmatar RNCGM Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.05 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Mrsticks They have said several times that there Won't be a BsHac, as for what the mission runner will be... no idea, course they coulda changed their mind/lied to us
According to the screencshots I am loking at for the Golem released yesterday - it is a HAC Battleship, needs HAC 4 as a prerequisit and Advanceed Wep to 5. The resists are notably lower but it is the next in line after the Nighthawk by the looks of it.
So CCP lied to me.... ok not sure what to say to that... lol
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.05 09:12:00 -
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I now put forth that we call them HAB. Who's with me?
I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog I now put forth that we call them HAB. Who's with me?
I like my name the "BattleHAC" better, has a better ring to it if you know what I mean?
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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Doctor Fruitloop
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Posted - 2007.10.05 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: F'nog I now put forth that we call them HAB. Who's with me?
I like my name the "BattleHAC" better, has a better ring to it if you know what I mean?
Seriously noone likes this name for it?
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.05 19:48:00 -
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They are not HACs, for the last time. Seriously. ------------ Whiners - Unite! | Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist. |
Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:04:00 -
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While I admit that BattleHAC sounds cool, they are not Battleship Heavy Assault Cruisers.
Marauder seems like a good enough name for them, or gimp as everyone wants to call them without knowing the bonuses on them.
And personally I'm looking forward to the Vargur ('cos I love Minmatar ships )
Akkarin
Hopefully the mods won't play with this one
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic They are not HACs, for the last time. Seriously.
Evidenntly I am reading a corrupted version of this in which heavy assault ship is not a prerequisit....
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:16:00 -
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Can we stop calling it battlehac, it is no where near a hac.
Let's say this together...and slowly.
Marauders.
There you go, good job, tomorrow we work on something else.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Can we stop calling it battlehac, it is no where near a hac.
Let's say this together...and slowly.
Marauders.
There you go, good job, tomorrow we work on something else.
The name Marauders is spazzy and reminds me of a certain book I have to read to my kid sister because it seems to be the only way to get her to read outside of school. No, the name Violator was good - as is BattleHAC.
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Tarminic They are not HACs, for the last time. Seriously.
Evidenntly I am reading a corrupted version of this in which heavy assault ship is not a prerequisit....
Except even a cursory glance over their stats makes it painfully obvious that these battleships are definately not designed to be ubertanked, uber DPS-dealing frontline ships. The skill prerequisite does not matter in this case. Though if you really feel like taking one into PvP, be my guest. ------------ Whiners - Unite! | Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist. |
Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kirjava on 05/10/2007 20:30:49
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Tarminic They are not HACs, for the last time. Seriously.
Evidenntly I am reading a corrupted version of this in which heavy assault ship is not a prerequisit....
Except even a cursory glance over their stats makes it painfully obvious that these battleships are definately not designed to be ubertanked, uber DPS-dealing frontline ships. The skill prerequisite does not matter in this case. Though if you really feel like taking one into PvP, be my guest.
I sir will be taking many of these into PvP..... in the sales sense. From a marketing point of view it is better for these things to be seen as a HAC successor because then everyone and their mother will want one. As has been suggested, I agree with the thought that it will have several bonus, ship class 100% to damage or something similar to make these ships firepower equal conventional Battleships and surpass them in the tactics of their deployment. They are heavy battleships, they will probably be used in assaults as they can fit several neuts and maintain damage output. I concede the point about the prerequisit not counting for much though, but as a rule of thumb ships in the assault tree are generaly hard to *****.
Why is the word c-r-a-c-k filtered? It is used in many contexts in the English language....
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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FiNAL FiGHT
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:29:00 -
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My main question is - all of the blackops ships are black - EXCEPT the gallente blackops ship, (WHY?) it's pink.... making it
PINKOPS
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: FiNAL FiGHT My main question is - all of the blackops ships are black - EXCEPT the gallente blackops ship, (WHY?) it's pink.... making it
PINKOPS
I must not write the obvious reason. I must not write the obvious reason. I must not write the obvious reason. I must not write the obvious reason. I must not write the obvious reason. I must not write the obvious reason.
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Well you are all thinking it so don't expect me to yell ya
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
I sir will be taking many of these into PvP..... in the sales sense. From a marketing point of view it is better for these things to be seen as a HAC successor because then everyone and their mother will want one. As has been suggested, I agree with the thought that it will have several bonus, ship class 100% to damage or something similar to make these ships firepower equal conventional Battleships and surpass them in the tactics of their deployment. They are heavy battleships, they will probably be used in assaults as they can fit several neuts and maintain damage output.
Indeed, but you have to take a more subtle look at these ship's stats, specifically: *Signature Radius - 25% higher *Sensor Strength - About half the strength of T1 battleships *Scan Resolution - Lower than battleships
This means that the Marauders will take longer to lock, be locked easier, and be more vulnerable to sensor dampeners and ECM. The comparable damage is nice especially when combined with an extra 3 slots for nos/neuts/SBs but they'll be easily targeted and highly vulnerable to electronic warfare...an extra 3 high slots aren't worth the potential risk, in my opinion. ------------ Whiners - Unite! | Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist. |
Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 20:41:00 -
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To be honest in my breif escapades into PvP I am yet to see anyone using a HAC, it's allways a Tier 2 BC. Few people I know that PvP seem to do the same thing, but the mission runners like HAC.... I doubt the sensor stuff will make much difference to them, worst comes to worst they just have to slap a sensor thing in the highslot - I rememebr there being one in hislot but I can't remember what it did - locking speed booster I think Essentialy I see it being a mission runner / ratter or as fire support for small gang PVP.
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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Will Stronghold
Firing Squad
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Posted - 2007.10.05 21:50:00 -
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The Marauder Class T2 BS seams to be a better tanked BS, but its damage has been really nerfed down along with its sensor strengh, so they are easyer to ECM then the T2 frigs and they do about the same damage as Stelth Bombers (T2 frigs). Not sure why they have been punished so much. I do hope they give them some teeth before they go on Tranq. The Black Ops ones however seam really interesting with the jump capability and the hinted Covert bridge generation for other ships to jump through. Seams they have had their tank nerfed a little, but its a small price for the cool toys you can use with them. Since I have not seen any info on either of the ships bonuses am not sure if they save anything on that side,however so far it seams that the Black Ops one is alot better choice. According to the data we have seen on the screenshots it does alot more damage then the Marauder BS and comes with really cool toys. I do have a question tho to the CCP. Why does the Black ops skill not follow the regurlar next level skill requirements? When the Marauder needs HAC lvl4, shouldnt the Black Ops require instead of Cloaking 5 the Recon lvl4 skill?
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Trykster
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Posted - 2007.10.05 21:56:00 -
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the t2 bs look weak as hell imo.. doubt ill waste my time training for one.. heavy dictor love though!!
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Traka Vinderta
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Posted - 2007.10.05 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated Black ops. The other one looks like a gimp tbh.
Rightho - Scorpion it is
hehehe widow looks most promising ^^ as that man said.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.05 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava [I sir will be taking many of these into PvP..... in the sales sense. From a marketing point of view it is better for these things to be seen as a HAC successor because then everyone and their mother will want one.
That'a two-edged weapon, however. You might create an artificial hype around them to increase the demand, but you'll increase the number of competitors at the same time... ------------------------------------------
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.05 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Kirjava [I sir will be taking many of these into PvP..... in the sales sense. From a marketing point of view it is better for these things to be seen as a HAC successor because then everyone and their mother will want one.
That'a two-edged weapon, however. You might create an artificial hype around them to increase the demand, but you'll increase the number of competitors at the same time...
Thats true - but with under a month to go I can get the BPO, start stockpiling materials and start invention on the day. I predict a needed investment of approx 3Billion liquid for a single person to start single production of a Blackops - by forcing their hand into invention I make isk through selling the ships and inflating interface prices buy buying, adding a few million and reselling, thus artificialy increasing the market value. Same for datacores - you think those thinks went up 200k a piece since wednesday by accident?
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.10.05 23:24:00 -
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I know exactly which one i'm training for.... none of them all rubbish and they don't seem to be worth the stupid price they will cost through invention. ---------
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Topaz Skydiver
Minmatar Narrative Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.10.06 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 06/10/2007 00:22:34
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Tarminic They are not HACs, for the last time. Seriously.
Evidenntly I am reading a corrupted version of this in which heavy assault ship is not a prerequisit....
They can't be hacs, because they are not cruiser sized. lol. I mean cruisers have frig skills as prerequisites, but they are still not frigs. --------------------------------------------- *snip* |
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