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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:49:00 -
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Exactly how does CCP define "griefing" and why isnt Hulkaggedon not considered it?
Seriously. GÿàGÿàGÿàCargo Pilots Unite!!!GÿàGÿàGÿà https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=668132&#post668132 |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:50:00 -
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:50:00 -
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Read EULA http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:52:00 -
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Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:55:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Read EULA
Support has a section on Grief play. It is not very clearly written; because if you follow that Hulkageddon would almost certainly be considered griefing when it should not be. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:56:00 -
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Because griefing is hard and ganking hulks is quite easy. In case you are really interested in what is considered grief play by GMs here a not overly complete list. More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:57:00 -
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man i love hulkaggeddon as its always in caldari space. There is so much isk to be made.
Mining anywhere else
building thrashers for the gankers
building machs/hulks for the miners.
Something Awful. A beacon for tearful, lonely neckbeards. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:59:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:It is not very clearly written; because if you follow that Hulkageddon would almost certainly be considered griefing when it should not be.
It would not because those who participate properly in Hulkageddon speculate on rising mineral and exhumer prices. From personal experience I can tell you that speculating in this case is fairly profitable without much risk to take a loss instead. More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:59:00 -
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Found this:
Quote:Grief play
What is grief play?
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
Quote:Hulkageddon is an event, in which pilots competed to destroy the most Exhumer-grade mining vessels over the course of a single week
OK, so what is the "gain" for the pilots blowing up the Hulks? If you dont profit in any way (based on the above defintion) you are griefing. GÿàGÿàGÿàCargo Pilots Unite!!!GÿàGÿàGÿà https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=668132&#post668132 |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:03:00 -
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Posting in a typical Atticus Fynch random thoughts thread.
Why don't you ask CCP via a petition? Asking players to interpret CCP's rules is not going to yield an authoritative answer. There have been at least 100 of these threads already, try the search feature next time. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:04:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:OK, so what is the "gain" for the pilots blowing up the Hulks?
Karn and gfldex explained it above. Oh, and let me know about the Cargo Pilots thing, please.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:05:00 -
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Except that hulkageddon has always had large prize pools available, from raw isk to ships and modules, so in this case there definetely is something to gain. Individual reasons for taking part are often secondary. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:06:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Found this: Quote:Grief play
What is grief play?
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated. Quote:Hulkageddon is an event, in which pilots competed to destroy the most Exhumer-grade mining vessels over the course of a single week OK, so what is the "gain" for the pilots blowing up the Hulks? If you dont profit in any way (based on the above defintion) you are griefing. Especially if you consider that Hulks are not war ships of any kind. Considering that Hulks are also the most expensive of the Exhumer class, that underscores the grief definition even more.
I profit all the time, unless someone else scoops the loot before my GCC is over. In which case they profit! Profit is had, also I consider the killmail as profit as it's something I gain |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:12:00 -
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Griefing in EVE is limited to harrassment based on race and gender for the most part. Hulkageddon doesn't play any part in that, so it is not considered griefing.
Basically, it's very hard to define one situation vs. another as griefing, unless there is a great deal of personal harrassment involved. Continually targeting one person in game, calling them names, podding them, baiting them, using racial or sexist slurs or jargon, or comments regarding the sexuality of the person, and doing this consistently over time is harrassment.
Any basic racial slur or jargon, homopathic or hateful treatment, and/or sexist treatment is generally grounds for a temporary ban by itself. I've seen plenty that was never prevented of course, and still do from time to time. Of course, I never reported it myself, as I was just passing through. Honestly, I expect the person being treated such to do so; and spamming the GMs with multiple reports on the same thing is sort of silly.
If they don't, then that is unfortunate. If someone else in system that sees a lot more than I do doesn't, then that is even more unfortunate. The fact that I don't, as someone who spends less than a minute passing through, and doesn't usually notice until a few systems away, is really just incidental. I'm not really into policing these things anyway; though I might if I thought there was a need.
Honestly, what I've seen could usually just be disregarded by anyone, including the person subject to it. If it's a regular thing, however, then it should be dealt with and probably is.
I disregard **** all the time, and it never does more to me than mild or short term anger for the most part. Sometimes it's more than that, such as a lasting irritation or feeling particularly aggressive towards like-minded individuals.
What bothers me, is the bs that you never hear about, but affects you even months later, if not years later. That happens to, and nobody ever tells you about it; they just sort of expect you to know. They have a grudge, that's fine; but often they meta-game that grudge secretly to other players and create some bs blacklist on you.
What it is, you'll never know; but you will be affected by it.
I'm sure my presence here on the forums, and my stated opinions; have resulted with me being on a number of these bs blacklists. It has nothing to do with character, integrity, or honesty in most cases; this is EVE, and the majority of the playerbase couldn't care less about that. It's usually just that they have a different opinion than you, and can't stand that fact; even more so, if you won't agree with them or conced to their judgement, and/or aren't afraid to say it or challenge them.
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Graelyn
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:16:00 -
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There is Good Griefing and Bad Griefing.
Hulkageddon does more Good Griefing than Charlie Brown. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:17:00 -
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Also, I would probably gank Hulks and Macks in Hulkageddon; though I haven't really decided yet. I don't have a whole lot of empathy for players that take a Hulk or Mack out during an event like this; they either don't care, or they are willing to take the risk. Either way, it means they must be able to afford it. Besides, it does actually help the economy somewhat, and I strongly believe there is a very good chance that most of them are either botters or RMT or both. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:28:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote: OK, so what is the "gain" for the pilots blowing up the Hulks? If you dont profit in any way (based on the above defintion) you are griefing. Especially if you consider that Hulks are not war ships of any kind. Considering that Hulks are also the most expensive of the Exhumer class, that underscores the grief definition even more.
Their are prizes offered. Hulkageddon is considered a contest. |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:41:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Also, I would probably gank Hulks and Macks in Hulkageddon; though I haven't really decided yet. I don't have a whole lot of empathy for players that take a Hulk or Mack out during an event like this; they either don't care, or they are willing to take the risk. Either way, it means they must be able to afford it. Besides, it does actually help the economy somewhat, and I strongly believe there is a very good chance that most of them are either botters or RMT or both. That's a stupid way of looking at it. You're going to cut off some players cash flow. I'm all for killing botters and RMT but when you're affecting genuine players, it's not cool. |
Lilly Shiroimozu
SyNgeN-Z
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:07:00 -
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You most definitely profit from this, a destie fit for it costs less than 1.5 million, the hulks usually drop AT LEAST 15 miillion in t2 strip miners, minerals and crap, thus if you bring less that 10 people you always profit. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:36:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Also, I would probably gank Hulks and Macks in Hulkageddon; though I haven't really decided yet. I don't have a whole lot of empathy for players that take a Hulk or Mack out during an event like this; they either don't care, or they are willing to take the risk. Either way, it means they must be able to afford it. Besides, it does actually help the economy somewhat, and I strongly believe there is a very good chance that most of them are either botters or RMT or both. That's a stupid way of looking at it. You're going to cut off some players cash flow. I'm all for killing botters and RMT but when you're affecting genuine players, it's not cool. To be honest if your cash flow consists of 12m/h highsec mining you're just a waste of space anyway. |
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Ninavask
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:53:00 -
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simple answer: Loss of ingame assets =/= griefing. Humiliating/constant insulting/generally ruining someone's life over internet == griefing. |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
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Posted - 2012.01.23 01:56:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:To be honest if your cash flow consists of 12m/h highsec mining you're just a waste of space anyway. STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:07:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:Killstealing wrote:To be honest if your cash flow consists of 12m/h highsec mining you're just a waste of space anyway. STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE. your opinion is objectively wrong |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:15:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:your opinion is objectively wrong Well you can't argue with objectivity so I guess i'm wrong. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:17:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:Killstealing wrote:To be honest if your cash flow consists of 12m/h highsec mining you're just a waste of space anyway. STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE. Don't take him seriously. You just stat motivated and ignore the haters.
You should hang This up on the wall of your Barge for inspiration.
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Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:22:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:You just stat motivated and ignore the haters. How does one "just stat motivated"? |
Alara IonStorm
1471
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:26:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:You just stat motivated and ignore the haters. How does one "just stat motivated"? See all the Hulk Kills on your killboard stats and bang instant motivation.
Do Miners have a different way to be motivated?
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:54:00 -
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Greifing requiring changing it from hulkageddeon to atticus finch geddeon.
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Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:00:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Do Miners have a different way to be motivated? Big numbers. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.23 04:20:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:OK, so what is the "gain" for the pilots blowing up the Hulks? If you dont profit in any way (based on the above defintion) you are griefing. Especially if you consider that Hulks are not war ships of any kind. Considering that Hulks are also the most expensive of the Exhumer class, that underscores the grief definition even more.
Hulkageddon organizers give away prizes for top ranked participants. So the ones killing the miners get prizes.
The one giving the prizes does not fires a shot, you see, so he ain't ganking anyone either. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
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