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SencneS
Amarr Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.15 05:45:00 -
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Load up this...
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ombey/Eve_Regions.pdf
Goto page 22
Carirgnottin is on the left hand side middle of the page, that map is 100% accurate and was updated at the end of last month. I am in everyshore right now (To see factories etc) and it is correct.
However, there are 2 "non-station" systems 2 jumps away, which could explain why your data only has 1 jump. Is it hitting a non-station system and canceling that route?
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.10.15 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS Load up this...
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ombey/Eve_Regions.pdf
Goto page 22
Carirgnottin is on the left hand side middle of the page, that map is 100% accurate and was updated at the end of last month. I am in everyshore right now (To see factories etc) and it is correct.
However, there are 2 "non-station" systems 2 jumps away, which could explain why your data only has 1 jump. Is it hitting a non-station system and canceling that route?
I'm not sure. I'm going to take a hard look at the script tomorrow to see what went wrong. <sig>
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Pang Grohl
Gallente Sudo Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.16 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slurm
Originally by: Amicus Pauperi Actually I was eagerly awaiting your query to see if there were any good manufacturing areas in Minmatar/Gallente space. Although realistically it'd be a lot easier to "elevate" an already popular area to "Jita status".
I'm also curious to know how many people are willing to commit some time and resources to this project. Show of hands anyone?
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Minmatar space is a lot more sparce for factories (hint hint DEVS).
In Metropolis Hjortur has access to 13 systems and 457 factories within 2 jumps. Aldilur has 451 factories and 13 systems in 3 jumps.
In Heimatar Krilmokenur has 547 factories and 15 systems in 3 jumps. Pator 453, 12, 2
In Verge Vendor Sortet 568, 16, 3
Well I'm obviously interested.
Sortet or the Ammar systems nearby could be a good secondary location. It has close access to 0.0, and low sec thoroughfares to all empires. The Verge Vendor market is sparse enough that jump-starting a hub there would be relatively easy. I like the primary location near Minmatar/Gallente Cosmos systems, except for the proximity to Oursalaert.
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SencneS
Amarr Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.16 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Pang Grohl The Verge Vendor market is sparse enough that jump-starting a hub there would be relatively easy.
I look at it from a different angle, I don't think it would be that great to try and start one from scratch. There is simply not enough on this forum to fire up a hub, even if everyone that reads this forum devoted 100% of their buy/sell orders.
My personal opinion is to try and bolster a small already existing hub, one that has some decent supply already but no where near the caliber of Jita. It would be a lot easier to beef up a small hub then to try and start a new hub.
That is why I thought it would have a higher chance to succeed by using a Region that has a market but doesn't have a Hub.
As I looked though Everyshore's market it has a sizable number of items available spread out all over the place but no central hub. I'm sure other Regions also are similar. Of course the smaller the region the easier it would be to "Hub" as people don't need to travel as much.
Most central system in Verge Vendor (A name with Vendor in it does scream marketing) is Alenia - 5 Jump buy order doesn't hit low sec, only misses 2 High sec system in the entire region - Stou (Most agents) and Amygnon. 10 Jump buy order covers the entire region (No need to train past level 3 on marketing skills.
Metropolis - Most central system Tolkubad - 10 Jump range covers 61 high sec only systems. 14 jumps from Hek.
For me I think it's a toss up between, Everyshore, Metropolis, and Verge Vendor, other regions for Gal/Min are already heavily developed Trading hubs. I think Verge is too small, I can't really speak for Metropolis as I don't spend any time in there. Everyshore is still my favorite, I just can't get past the somewhat developed market that is spread out with no central place other then a mission runners hub, decent connection and not too large, not too small.
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.10.17 03:28:00 -
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I took a look at my query. I'm not exactly sure what is wrong with it. It seems to be stopping at the regional borders for some reason. I'm going to keep debugging it. <sig>
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SencneS
Amarr Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slurm I took a look at my query. I'm not exactly sure what is wrong with it. It seems to be stopping at the regional borders for some reason. I'm going to keep debugging it.
Well for "Buy orders" you do want it to stop at Regional Borders, for location however you want it to ignore boarders. I wish I could help you out more though I just know next to nothing about sql queries even though I have the data
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.10.17 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS
Originally by: Dr Slurm I took a look at my query. I'm not exactly sure what is wrong with it. It seems to be stopping at the regional borders for some reason. I'm going to keep debugging it.
Well for "Buy orders" you do want it to stop at Regional Borders, for location however you want it to ignore boarders. I wish I could help you out more though I just know next to nothing about sql queries even though I have the data
Not exactly true. I think the script is exiting the loop when it hits a regional border. Thus is why it missed the 5 jump range in Cari. <sig>
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bluejeansandpudding
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Posted - 2007.10.18 19:17:00 -
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How ambitious is this thread? Jita moves more than some of you may fancy.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Psychedelic Party Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2007.10.18 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS Most central system in Verge Vendor (A name with Vendor in it does scream marketing) is Alenia - 5 Jump buy order doesn't hit low sec, only misses 2 High sec system in the entire region - Stou (Most agents) and Amygnon. 10 Jump buy order covers the entire region (No need to train past level 3 on marketing skills.
Actually, as a player living near Verge Vendor, the hub in Verge Vendor seems to be Alentene right now, not Alenia, which makes sense as there are 6 stargates leading into the system; the system has direct access to 3 lines of traffic, where Alenia is really only getting traffic from two directions. I don't remember precisely, as I'm at work right now, but I think there was more stations in Alentene, as well.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Estate
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Posted - 2007.10.20 08:05:00 -
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I was just wondering if there is any update on the technical numbers for potential new hubs via Slurm's script. Also, has anyone looked at the actual traffic through said potentials, to see how they scale up to the numbers and how we theoretically think hubs naturally form? Would be nice to check for unknown factors that we may be missing.
I would do it but ... well, I've not been online much lately =/
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.10.20 11:49:00 -
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I've a had pretty busy week and haven't looked at the code much.
Something I've done in the past is take a screen shot every 30 min of the eve map.
makes for an interesting watch. <sig>
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Mahili
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Posted - 2007.10.20 18:41:00 -
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Carirgnottin - or anywhere in Everyshore really - looks attractive for production, and the sector has some good agents (including some Caldari ones, curiously), but it will be a real challenge to start a trade hub there. The region is sandwiched between Essence, with Oursulaert a few jumps away, and Sinq Laison, a few jumps from Aunia where trade is currently concentrating. Also, it is far away from Minmatar space, since the high-sec route goes through Sinq Laison and to the Hek pipe. On the plus side, it is connected to the Genesis region on the Amarr side.
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Daedalus DuGalle
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.10.26 04:53:00 -
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Carirgnottin specific info:
7 belts in System. I doubt that's enough to support large scale production, but I guess if this gets up and running it'll be like Jita; the minerals will be shipped in.
Crapload of moons.
Market for goods is pretty crap. Not much available, and usually overpriced.
Mineral market is not so good either. High prices relative to rest of the universe. Therefore any Anti-Jita attempts will have to either ship in minerals from another region or suck up the higher production costs for a while.
3 stations with factory slots in system which is nice. about 50% are being used, which is mildly surprising, so I guess some corps are living here already.
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Amicus Pauperi
ASGARD SECURITY SHIPPING PRODUCTION SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.01 01:44:00 -
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I've been away for a couple weeks. How has the search for a new hub been going? If the database query has hit a dead end, I'm still all for boosting Hek to major hub status
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.11.01 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Amicus Pauperi I've been away for a couple weeks. How has the search for a new hub been going? If the database query has hit a dead end, I'm still all for boosting Hek to major hub status
-AP
I'm not sure what's wrong with my code right now. I've looked at it and it makes sense, but its a large amount of data to try to debug.
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.11.01 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Daedalus DuGalle Carirgnottin specific info: 3 stations with factory slots in system which is nice. about 50% are being used, which is mildly surprising, so I guess some corps are living here already.
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Daedalus DuGalle Carirgnottin specific info:
7 belts in System. I doubt that's enough to support large scale production, but I guess if this gets up and running it'll be like Jita; the minerals will be shipped in.
Crapload of moons.
Market for goods is pretty crap. Not much available, and usually overpriced.
Mineral market is not so good either. High prices relative to rest of the universe. Therefore any Anti-Jita attempts will have to either ship in minerals from another region or suck up the higher production costs for a while.
3 stations with factory slots in system which is nice. about 50% are being used, which is mildly surprising, so I guess some corps are living here already.
Everyshore has been a low population region for a long time and is slowly starting to grow. Being close to dodixie, having plenty of slots and the region's market can still be easily manipulated are all good things. Similar jump range to hek/rens and jita.
Everyshore is my home when I'm not out shooting at people.
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Caffeine Junkie
Caldari The Ministry Of Funny Walks
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Posted - 2007.11.01 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slurm I really don't like Jita, mostly because it is trendy, but also because the competition there tends to have ripple effects on the rest of the market.
I'm curious if any other traders and industrialists would like to create a brand new trade hub?
Part of the attraction of Jita is that it is known to have everything, one stop shopping if you will. I know that Rens already exists, but it would be kind of fun to start from scratch.
Thoughts?
Tell me where and I'll shop there, anything to avoid Jita. I'd imagine a lot of other players would too.
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Fabricati Diem
Burleigh and Strong
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Posted - 2007.11.01 15:38:00 -
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To keep adding to the location discussion:
Would it be easier/more sustainable to take one of the second tier hubs - Ours, Rens, etc - and push it up to Jita status, rather than starting with a location that has a lower market development? At least as a first attempt at the AJ, anyway.
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.11.01 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Fabricati Diem To keep adding to the location discussion:
Would it be easier/more sustainable to take one of the second tier hubs - Ours, Rens, etc - and push it up to Jita status, rather than starting with a location that has a lower market development? At least as a first attempt at the AJ, anyway.
only problem i see with that is if the systems around those established hubs can't support them after a point i.e. factories, missions, belts, and labs to a lesser degree.
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.11.18 17:20:00 -
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This idea isn't dead. I'm still all for it, but I have to put my involvement on hold until I finish the Eve-Trader.com project. After the site is up I will come back to this project.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.11.19 10:09:00 -
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By the way, when can we expect that site to be up?
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:22:00 -
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as soon as its done.
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