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Xamion Czeres
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Posted - 2007.10.09 16:21:00 -
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Got feedback on my bugreport today bout the "Feature" showing up cosmic anomalys as "unknowns":
Quote: Hello "customer", Thank you for your bugreport - ID:44818 Title: Exploration and "Unknows" The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed.
The BugHunter Team
Report ID: 44818 Title: Exploration and "Unknows"
Description: Scanning with a multispectral probe shows cosmic anomalies as "Unknown", so its very very hard to find real "Unknown"s, also known as cosmic signatures (Deadspace Signature).
Reproduction Steps: Just scan a system with a 100 coverage, over and over again. There isnt any cosmic signature that would produce a "Unknown" result for real, only cosmic anomalies will be found.
So anyone got any other official informations about this? Will this Feature "stay" or will it be changed in the near future?
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.09 16:43:00 -
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Its a real feature! Start stockpiling your dead space loot!
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.09 18:14:00 -
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Sounds like confusion on the part of the tester. Reopen it and point to any of the number of threads on the topic or explain in more detail.
It's frustrating, but I tried explaining the bug once to someone and it's not easy to make it crystal clear. I can understand how someone would fail to grok the real problem if they didn't understand exploration deeply.
Testers are people too. ;)
-- EVE Glossary Exploration Video |
Rude Bwoy
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Posted - 2007.10.10 07:45:00 -
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ask if the tester has ever played Eve? Who's the rudest of them all! |
James Grand
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 08:26:00 -
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It's a "feature" that the Multispectral probes show all of the signatures in the system, including Cosmic Anomalies. It's a "bug" that they do so even if you only select the Cosmic Signatures scan group.
This was supposed to be fixed in the last content patch, but it turns out the fix wasn't as simple as they thought. They're currently rewriting the way Multispec probes are done so that they will work properly. Fix should be deployed with Rev 3.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2007.10.10 08:39:00 -
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I don't think it is necessary to submit thebug report, the devs are well aware of the problem. Whether or not they choose to fix it is another matter entirely. :-)
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:03:00 -
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James Grand is correct, as is the BH who replied to you. Cosmic anomalies are supposed to show up as "Unknown" on multispectral scans, but are not supposed to show up at all if you don't have the "Cosmic Anomaly" scan group selected when running your multispectral scan.
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Elena Vherokia
Silent Service Limited
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Posted - 2007.10.10 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale James Grand is correct, as is the BH who replied to you. Cosmic anomalies are supposed to show up as "Unknown" on multispectral scans, but are not supposed to show up at all if you don't have the "Cosmic Anomaly" scan group selected when running your multispectral scan.
Again - I consider it a good thing as it is now.
@Greyscale - please keep in mind: if you make it easier to find them by changing Deadspace sigs from Unknown to Deadspace sigs even in multispec scans - by then those plexes and items will be looted in masses and the same farming, which you wanted to stop, will start again. This time with no reasonable chance for anyone else to stop farmers at all.
Basically a change like most ppl on board ask for would make the switch to exploration pointless. Please leave the exploration-system as it is and only add new content. I am gladly available ingame or by Email to answer remaining questions.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar FSK23
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Posted - 2007.10.10 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Vherokia Edited by: Elena Vherokia on 10/10/2007 12:09:17
Originally by: CCP Greyscale James Grand is correct, as is the BH who replied to you. Cosmic anomalies are supposed to show up as "Unknown" on multispectral scans, but are not supposed to show up at all if you don't have the "Cosmic Anomaly" scan group selected when running your multispectral scan.
Again - I consider it a good thing as it is now.
@Greyscale - please keep in mind: if you make it easier to find them by changing Deadspace sigs from Unknown to Deadspace sigs even in multispec scans (or by applying the group Cosmic signature only to Unknowns and Anomalies to the group Cosmic anomalies only) - by then those plexes and items will be looted in masses and the same farming, which you wanted to stop, will start again. This time with no reasonable chance for anyone else to stop farmers at all.
Basically a change like most ppl on board ask for would make the switch to exploration pointless. Please leave the exploration-system as it is and only add new content. I am gladly available ingame or by Email to answer remaining questions.
Somehow I get the feeling the only exploration you ever did was on the forums. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim |
Xamion Czeres
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Posted - 2007.10.10 12:23:00 -
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Thank you all for youre respond,
ive nothing against the exploration like it is now, but all i need is to know if its stays like this or not, if it stay so, iam spending all my "eve"-time right now searching for them to grab some nice loot.
But if its more a "bug" than a feature that will be "fixed", iam not wasting my time right now with searching for plexes ill find VERY VERY faster after the fix, than now.
So my only concern is not to waste too much time now searching for them and be the donky after the patch ^^
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Elena Vherokia
Silent Service Limited
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Posted - 2007.10.10 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: El'essar Viocragh Somehow I get the feeling the only exploration you ever did was on the forums.
I actually could not care less on what you think about me. If CCP or a dev wants to verify they are free to do anytime.
Lat me get this straight: I am all against a system allowing players to know if a Deadspace sig is there or not. The mixup with Cosmic anomalies is a great thing - it stops the plex pharmer profession by close to 100%.
Perfect.
Those who really do exploration will - on rare occassions - find a plex. Eg. my exploration char found a 10/10 a few days ago.
Perfect.
I see no need for a change at all.
"Habeas"
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Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
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Posted - 2007.10.10 14:05:00 -
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What is this farming you are talking about ?
Farming was the same group of people going into the static plexes at certain times to collect the loot. Also they did shoot anyone else trying to get there.
With the new exploration you can find a plex, do it and it moves to a different location.. Making it possible for others to find it.
The plexes are already hard to find even if you *know* there is a cosmic signature unknown in the system. There won't be no 'farming'.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Vherokia farming
Farming doesn't exist without a static location.
There's a separate question of "difficulty" but it seems far better to calibrate that via signal strengths than through this clunky mechanic where the trouble involved in finding a complex is tied to the number of unrelated encounters that happen to be present. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
-Douglas Adams, writing about EVE |
Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale James Grand is correct, as is the BH who replied to you. Cosmic anomalies are supposed to show up as "Unknown" on multispectral scans, but are not supposed to show up at all if you don't have the "Cosmic Anomaly" scan group selected when running your multispectral scan.
Well then they are bugged.
I dropped a multispectral probe in a system and scanned with only Cosmic Signature selected, got an unknown result. Spent 2 hours scanning using quests and couldn't get a second hit. Eventually we found the single cosmic anomaly in the system, ran it and then a second multispec gave us no results.
So, currently cosmic anomalies will show up as Unknown on multispec scans even if you haven't got Cosmic Anomaly selected. CCP Greyscale, is this a bug or are you incorrect?
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2007.10.10 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy
Originally by: CCP Greyscale James Grand is correct, as is the BH who replied to you. Cosmic anomalies are supposed to show up as "Unknown" on multispectral scans, but are not supposed to show up at all if you don't have the "Cosmic Anomaly" scan group selected when running your multispectral scan.
Well then they are bugged.
I dropped a multispectral probe in a system and scanned with only Cosmic Signature selected, got an unknown result. Spent 2 hours scanning using quests and couldn't get a second hit. Eventually we found the single cosmic anomaly in the system, ran it and then a second multispec gave us no results.
So, currently cosmic anomalies will show up as Unknown on multispec scans even if you haven't got Cosmic Anomaly selected. CCP Greyscale, is this a bug or are you incorrect?
If that's on TQ, then it's a very well-documented bug.
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Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale If that's on TQ, then it's a very well-documented bug.
Then fix it.
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Di Jiensai
Gallente Domination. League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.10.10 18:30:00 -
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i cannot confirm this.
Used multispec probe in system with 2 anomalys (they show up on directional scan, if you untic overview settings). had one unknown result.
also, had 1 unknown result in a system with no anomalys.
i'll check if i can get no result in a system with only cosmic anomalys in it, havent tried that yet.
so, as far as i can tell, there is either one/more (not all) cosmic anomalys bugged and showing up on signature scans. (which never happend to me) Or you are wrong.
So, in conclusion, get the info on which sites were involved, and make a new bugreport
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James Grand
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy
Originally by: CCP Greyscale If that's on TQ, then it's a very well-documented bug.
Then fix it.
Read the whole thread before trolling it. The fix is coming in Rev 3.
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ardik
TunkbwahCorp
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Posted - 2007.10.10 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy
Originally by: CCP Greyscale James Grand is correct, as is the BH who replied to you. Cosmic anomalies are supposed to show up as "Unknown" on multispectral scans, but are not supposed to show up at all if you don't have the "Cosmic Anomaly" scan group selected when running your multispectral scan.
Well then they are bugged.
I dropped a multispectral probe in a system and scanned with only Cosmic Signature selected, got an unknown result. Spent 2 hours scanning using quests and couldn't get a second hit. Eventually we found the single cosmic anomaly in the system, ran it and then a second multispec gave us no results.
So, currently cosmic anomalies will show up as Unknown on multispec scans even if you haven't got Cosmic Anomaly selected. CCP Greyscale, is this a bug or are you incorrect?
If that's on TQ, then it's a very well-documented bug.
Thanks for this. (o_o)b
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Di Jiensai i cannot confirm this.
Used multispec probe in system with 2 anomalys (they show up on directional scan, if you untic overview settings). had one unknown result.
also, had 1 unknown result in a system with no anomalys.
You haven't clear how the multispectral works. It always tells you if a certain kind of complex is in the system. And nothing more. It won't tell you how many. You may have 10 radar complexes and it will still tell you only one "RADAR" entry. Same goes for unknowns. 10 unknowns are still given by a multispectral as a single "Unknown" entry.
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Di Jiensai
Gallente Domination. League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.10.16 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Space Wanderer
Originally by: Di Jiensai i cannot confirm this.
Used multispec probe in system with 2 anomalys (they show up on directional scan, if you untic overview settings). had one unknown result.
also, had 1 unknown result in a system with no anomalys.
You haven't clear how the multispectral works. It always tells you if a certain kind of complex is in the system. And nothing more. It won't tell you how many. You may have 10 radar complexes and it will still tell you only one "RADAR" entry. Same goes for unknowns. 10 unknowns are still given by a multispectral as a single "Unknown" entry.
If this is true, then it was changed since i last did exploration. I definately remember seeing systems with several unknowns shown, before encounters went into the multiprobe output.
That said, i did a bit of exploring again in the last days, and i have not seen several entrys of the same type when using multis, but that might just be because there were no more than 1 site of each type in system. I'll try a bit more and see if i can find a system with 2+ unknowns.
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Teadrinker
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Posted - 2007.10.16 17:53:00 -
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Maybe exploration would be simpler all around if CCP ironed out the terminology a bit. I get confused by all this talk of "unknown", "encounter", "deadspace", etc. How about we change the nomenclature of the various probe results? You scan and you get signatures labeled "Encounter", "Hacking", "Salvage", and so forth? I think this would greatly simplify the discussion.
If CCP wants to preserve an element of mystery in certain scan results, then they could have probes return "Unknown" results on those occasions...but after the reform I'm proposing, everyone would know that "unknown" means that the probe found something, and it ain't telling us exactly what it found. See, "unknown" would mean "I don't know" instead of "I found something called an "unknown"...Am I making any sense? Or am I the only one confused by this?
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SIMONP1965
Caldari Vairu'len Pilgrims
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Posted - 2007.10.16 20:54:00 -
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no, your not alone...
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Vherokia
Let me get this straight: I am all against a system allowing players to know if a Deadspace sig is there or not. The mixup with Cosmic anomalies is a great thing - it stops the plex pharmer profession by close to 100%.
LOL, you really don't "get" it do you?
The probes are SUPPOSED to tell you of the potential presense of an Exploration site. It will ACCURATELY tell you if there is a Ladar, a Radar or Grav site; it is the "unknown" sites that are showing up the same as the small encounter sites.
The probe does NOT tell you where it is. It simply lets you know that the site is there so you can start the multiple-hour process of finding it....
Crawl back under your rock or go learn what exploration is all about. This "bug" has nothing to do with "farming" since the site will move to a different system as soon as it is completed. Hence no farming as any bookmarks will then lead to empty space
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
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Foxy Chicka
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Posted - 2007.10.17 05:30:00 -
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Just started playing with this again. Got a unknown, with only cosmic sigs selected. Found a cosmic anamoly in system after reading this thread after probing around for an two hours. So basicly it goes like this? First make sure there are no cosmic anamolies, if there are, do them, then run multispectral? :(
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Broutte Minou
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:30:00 -
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Unknowns sigs found by multispec probes can be LADAR, RADAR or whatever explo sites ? or its just cosmic anomalies ?
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pandymen
Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: pandymen on 17/10/2007 15:57:45 Umm..no. Radar, ladar, etc are always seperate as they show up as a RADAR, LADAR, etc site on the probe.
The problem is both anomalies and deadspace signatures show up as unknown. As such, if there are anomalies in the system, you can't be sure whether the unknown is just the anomaly or anomalies plus a deadspace sig somewhere. Since it takes hours of scanning to find some deadspaces, you really don't want to start scanning for one until you are sure that it's actually there.
Edit: However, you can use whatever probes you like to search for deadspaces. Since they are unknown, ladar, radar and gravimetric all work equally well.
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Foxy Chicka
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:24:00 -
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If cosmic anamolies do showup on multispectral as unknowns with only cosmic sigs selected its not consistant. System with 2 cosmic anamolies comes up as 1 unknown... and yes, the 2 anamolies have been cleared out but not disappaeared :(
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Xamion Czeres
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Foxy Chicka If cosmic anamolies do showup on multispectral as unknowns with only cosmic sigs selected its not consistant. System with 2 cosmic anamolies comes up as 1 unknown... and yes, the 2 anamolies have been cleared out but not disappaeared :(
Maybe just another bug...
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:21:00 -
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Multispecs always show what types are present but not how many - that's part of the design.
The despawn problems we hope should be resolved in Trinity - any sites which aren't clearing properly for whatever reason (if you have any idea how to reproduce this consistently, please let me know, as it's proving surprisingly hard to track down) should then despawn three days after they were initially spawned, with no exceptions.
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