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ZenTex Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.11 00:23:00 - [31] Originally by: Darkopteron Originally by: John Blackthorn One evening a roaming gang raiding into ngm was scanning people out in system and found a pos that was being unachored. (contrary to others thinking we had a spy tell us, this was not the truth.. we don't have spy's in other alliances to my knowlege). Seems you were left in the dark then, or you're talking BS? I bet every alliance has spies in FREGE, there's enough holes in our recruitment. It's really annoying when you type something in gang or say something on TS and a few seconds later you see related smack in local. (e.g. I asked in gang if anyone needed remote repping, I look in local and a RK guy says "hey can you come rep me?"). I've seen hundreds of incidents like this. Hell, I saw a RK guy paste a post in local, taken straight from the FREGE forums. But hey, I don't care anymore. It's just not fun sitting in a POS all day. Originally by: Xeno Metamorph Regards to Spying; this is how it unfolded on teamspeak. "Guys im scanning the moons, see if I can find out where they are..." ...minutes later "Uhhm, guys, I scanned x Control Towers, but I can only find x-1 ForceFields???" "Well get there and check it out?!" ... seconds later.... "Guys!!! Less than 50minutes on one of their towers, They are unanchoring it!!!" "Send a scout to watch their fleet, FIND IT!!" ... Turns out, they had placed a Jump Bridge, Cyno Jammer, Cyno Generator all at a single POS... "Guys!!! Less than 4minutes on them onlining a Cyno Jammer!!! We can get caps in!!!" "Bringing in a Carrier to Scoop their POS, cmon guys, hold the field!!!" .... The fact we had a scout who was on the ball, and watching for forcefields as well as CT's, made a huge difference, else we may have found out too late when the jammer was back online, why it was offline? Nobody knows... ask Frege. Read this? I weas on TS too. Hell, i was part of a FREGE raiding gang not long before this one, and was still on TS. The cries of unbelief weren't acted. The call for carriers and to make haste were genuine, if not, hell they'd get my vote for an oscar. Don't blame spying for your loss. Bad leadership, unwillingness to fight and no coordination were your downfall, not metagaming. There's little a sledgehammer can't fix. If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer. If it's unfixable, blame CCP. :p
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.11 00:50:00 - [32] damn, if i only had blackthorns wisdom, god's passion and of course scooters aplomb... gotta <3 em. u ask me why and what i learned from these guys? dedication is half the battle. even if i dont practice it it helps -------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.11 03:08:00 - [33] Something is wrong with CAOD I'm now counting 2 constructive threads. I think all the comments in this thread have been pretty fair. The issues of carebears not stocking the markets in the drone regions outposts is a significant concern as there is no rat loot to supply the market with mods. I endorse podding ratters/miners during critical operations. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Originally by: rycar Devian 666 is awesome quote this if you're down
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.11 03:48:00 - [34] Originally by: God's Army Stuff Great post. Originally by: God's Army 0.0 isn't about making ISK This simple sentence is one of the most profound statements I've read on CAOD. And, its an answer to the oft-repeated larfs about us living in geminate. Kinda reminds me of the riddle of steel, apropos of other comments in this thread about commitment. Proud to be in RK. Koronos
Nhoj Sllew Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.11 06:50:00 - [35] Originally by: God's Army Originally by: Gragnor long post Well bro, The numbers aint everything, yes sometimes, but not everytime. You lost the battleground and the system not because our TS spies, or not because your huge amount of carebears or the people who doesn't give a damn. You were losing the fights, because your members were less skilled compared with ours, meaning in the PVP presence, not the Skill points, Your alliance were accepting and adding corps without a damn clue, the problem was your leadership, the membership was fine. How many fights u had the numbers and fought us and got slaughtered? you should have kicked your peeps in their butt (quote from ernest), and motivate them for PVP, 0.0 isn't about making ISK, Since you guys established in S-I region, even before dropping your outpost, i didn't see or hear about any Frege raiding gang, Why?, you got the numbers, and the ISK to fit your ship. We were sending raiding parties and medium sized fleets to your home systems, we were expecting some resistance, but no offence, your alliance lacked in everything in the PVP concern. The pvp is not the damage modifier or the number of the gang members you could bring mate, You need a goal, you need to keep your peeps interested. your leadership had the shot to improve the alliance, but they wasted it. About MJ-, Yes we moved quickly, we expected every1 to come and push us out. You CANNOT Say, MAD PACT didn't put up a fight, or they are afraid of getting picked one by one after MJ-, They brought the fleets, they brought the caps, they lost tons of battleships, we took lots of losses as well, but the dedication is the key, MAD PACT alliances were fighting the time, NOT RK or SMASH, they know thats we gonna throw everything we have, and we did, they did as well, We won the battle. example about the Dedication: the last fight in MJ- When you had 400 peeps in your fleet and we had 135 on the gate, you choosed to wait till you outnumber us 4:1 to bring it, you had the chance to BBQ us at the gate even with your 200 man fleet on the gate, and have a nice fleet fight without lag or crashing the node ect., But all i can say, that fleet commander who were organizing the events with 400 pvpers, should be podded. I was leading our fleet, i asked our members, Do you guys wanna fight them or just retreat to the POS, Every1 choosed the first option, Why do you think? they can just log off or warp back to the POS.. you know Some people were convoing me about how did we manage to fight 4:1 at the gate?, what kind of balls do we have?, it's not my balls, it's my members, the people i trust, and pvpers i knew and i fly with, We had a goal, my guys trust our alliance leadership, thats help alot the PVP performance. You didn't had this thing, your leadership were busy trying to beg more alliances to fight us instead of motivating it's own members, like " Please guys bring your fleet and help, because we can't bring ours" :) enough said. I have nothing to say about the membership, Frege members were cool, and nice to shoot at, they fight, But their leadership sucked in everything concerning the PVP or the Alliance military division. To legion of xxdeathxx, you guys got a good leader, decent pvp units, nothing more i can say, you got steel balls to jump your caps on top of us. Good fight folks. To KIA, Eddz, nice trap on killin the 3 caps at the POS :P Good fight frege. Gods ROADKILL Admiral Interstellar eXodus P.S, i know my english sux I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES and to the peeps saying we had to use spies to accomplish this need to stfu: no spying was necessary, your own incompetence was enough (referring to the offline pos and cyno jammer) i have absolutly no doubts we coulda if we wanted to though...................................... -- Peanut Swsh > is peoke really a small african child with an extremely poor grasp on the english language? IE-EX 0.0 We hate you too.
Peanut Swsh Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.11 07:25:00 - [36] Originally by: Mc Leech Coming from RK this is just epic. Maybe turning on you had something to do with you stealing large sum of money from us? It takes a traitor to see betrayal on every corner. We are mercenary we have no loyalties, and we donFt hide it. If you want to see a backstabber look in the mirror. I didn't want to flame people in this thread, but honestly this is one of the dumbest posts I have seen. You were scammed by Miz, a known scammer and who had been in SMASH for what a month or something? and he was kicked immediately after the event. You were also warned not to deal with miz by SMASH leaders but chose not to listen. Then after you went and did everything SMASH leadership told you not to do, you turn around and blame it on SMASH. You cried to RA, to get us set red. You did something stupid, and to save face you blame it on us? Pretty childish behavior if you ask me. Thou to be honest, we don't want you guys blue. You guys aren't bad PvP'ers, but you really show your immaturity when it comes to dealing with most other issues in game.
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.11 08:05:00 - [37] Edited by: Moloc on 11/10/2007 08:08:03 Originally by: Mc Leech Coming from RK this is just epic. Maybe turning on you had something to do with you stealing large sum of money from us? It takes a traitor to see betrayal on every corner. We are mercenary we have no loyalties, and we donFt hide it. If you want to see a backstabber look in the mirror. UAxDeath was scammed 10 billion isk not by RK, not by SMASH but by Miz Cenjui ... The was after being told in no uncertain terms that Peoke would not vouch for him, and that any such deal must go through Peoke and was not to be done directly. That was ignored and he ended up losing 10bn isk. You then while SMASH was helping RAGOON threatened to have RA hotdrop our dreads that were out sieging for THEM. You want a idiot for a leader, look in the mirror. It's hard to find an alliance with a leader that makes Peoke look good, but you guys make him look angelic. Now you try and pin it on RK ? Wait, you were scammed by a guy who wasn't even in SMASH when you set us Red, was never in RK, and now it's their fault ? That's a pretty foggy memory there. Meanwhile you guys hide under RA's skirt. Using their station, their killboard, influencing their policy. All the while not opening yourselves to any of the consequences. Brave.
zykerx Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.11 09:39:00 - [38] Originally by: Mc Leech -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coming from RK this is just epic. Maybe turning on you had something to do with you stealing large sum of money from us? It takes a traitor to see betrayal on every corner. We are mercenary we have no loyalties, and we donFt hide it. If you want to see a backstabber look in the mirror. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- funny stuff member of yours is stupid enough to try and buy a ms from 1 of the biggest scammers in eve, even through he got multiple warnings and been told its a bigas scammer only 2 can be blamed for that, the dude stupid enough to send the isk and the guy who recieved the isk and scammed him, must have been the most easy scam ever for that guy and why you guys not go after him he ? or ya yust cant cath him its funny ya guys are hiding ya outpost under ra tag to me it sounded more ra needed somethingh to kick smash out of that system with 10/10 complex, funny part is that ccp deleted them . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.11 11:06:00 - [39] Originally by: Mc Leech Coming from RK this is just epic. Maybe turning on you had something to do with you stealing large sum of money from us? It takes a traitor to see betrayal on every corner. We are mercenary we have no loyalties, and we donFt hide it. If you want to see a backstabber look in the mirror. Miz was in SMASH at the time, he had been in the alliance for one week, and was a known scammer that YOU guys insisted on dealing with. Then when the known scammer scammed you out of your MS, you blamed SMASH for it. What peoke adviced or did not advice you to do is irrelevant, one has to lack something in the thinking department when one does billion dollar deals with people who are famous for scamming. But no worries, even the all-famous Ginger Magician fell for it (AFTER you even). The rest of the EVE-world utilizes people like Chribba to do deals like this, but you insisted on dealing with Miz on a personal level. You made a mistake, as much as it deflates your ego and hurts your pride - you made it. Blaming SMASH (and even R0adkill in this case, LOL) is just grade A pathetic, ffs. - Recruitment open again-
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.11 11:14:00 - [40] From Meridian's perspective: First I personally want to congratulate the "horde" on absolutely masterful CnC. I also wish to congratulate the victors on the um.....er.. uh....spoils. (drone regions were driving my exploration guys bugnutz, and our drillers were constantly out of high ends due to the usual wacky ways of the region.) Our combat guys ALWAYS looked forward to the RK/Smash gangs...not only good pew pew, but instructive and taught our younger pilots valuable lessons. (Burn Eden as well before...) There is NOTHING like better pvp'ers to teach the way of the warrior if you take the time to learn from mistakes and observe what occurred in each fight. A lesson FREGE takes from this that I haven't seen mentioned is that it is NOT numbers that win the day, it is Command and Control. Communications were the death of the fight for our alliance, and this is completely understood and accepted. I also want to thank our enemies for what I think was the most awesome freight chase I've ever seen or been a part of...we lost a freighter, moving gear out of the region, in one of the most adrenaline soaked gut wrenchingly exciting chases I've been a part of. To our opponents, we were literally within 10 seconds of succeeding, but at the very end, the freighter, sitting 200 meters inside the dictor bubble....was facing the wrong direction. While hindsight is always 20/20, I do not regret the loss of NGM. It woke up the alliance. It revitalized our corp in ways I cannot even begin to count. It weeded out the leeches and hangers-on, AND it showed our combat ops folks that without communications, there will never be victory. One comment regarding a prior post about congratulations to KIA for the carrier kills...that WAS a FREGE operation. The dictors on the field in 9iz were ours. That was a wonderful last hurrah in my opinion being on that field and taking action regardless of the war's outcome. The only gripe that I have is the smack that some of our opponents continually spat out in local. That, and ONLY that is the only bad taste in my mouth regarding the last couple months. See you out there Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE

Moridin Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.11 11:29:00 - [41] nice thread. i just have one question. when the RK tower went up in NGM FREGE went hellbent to take it out. and did put it into reinforced with a massive fleet 100/150 people. after that the fleet sorta dissapeared. i just want to know what happened to it cuz after that frege did not put up any real resistance ____ (\_/) (> <) (X.x) This is Headless BOB. Copy Headless BOB into your signature to help prevent his attempt at world domination.
Ardnor The Knighthawks	Posted - 2007.10.11 11:36:00 - [42] Its sooooo nice to farm "real" rats Ill miss you guys visiting our space Live and learn and all that but time to move on to more fun space
Christine Cormorante Gallente Shadow Assasins Dark Matter Empire	Posted - 2007.10.11 11:36:00 - [43] Originally by: Demondrew except IO that lost the station -Demondrew While I can't speak for any other IO/former IO, I for one, had a blast :) But anyhow, MJ is weeks old news now, as NGM soon enough shall be. Lots of good fights during the MJ thing, and grats to Smash/Kill on the stations garnered from both encounters. It's certainly been interesting to say the least, to watch the changes around the drone regions. IMHO, its pretty neat that for a region that many really don't care for, the drone regions really were the place to be for some good fun. Kudos and respect to all pilots involved o/
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.11 11:57:00 - [44] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Mc Leech Coming from RK this is just epic. Maybe turning on you had something to do with you stealing large sum of money from us? It takes a traitor to see betrayal on every corner. We are mercenary we have no loyalties, and we donFt hide it. If you want to see a backstabber look in the mirror. Miz was in SMASH at the time, he had been in the alliance for one week, and was a known scammer that YOU guys insisted on dealing with. Then when the known scammer scammed you out of your MS, you blamed SMASH for it. What peoke adviced or did not advice you to do is irrelevant, one has to lack something in the thinking department when one does billion dollar deals with people who are famous for scamming. But no worries, even the all-famous Ginger Magician fell for it (AFTER you even). The rest of the EVE-world utilizes people like Chribba to do deals like this, but you insisted on dealing with Miz on a personal level. You made a mistake, as much as it deflates your ego and hurts your pride - you made it. Blaming SMASH (and even R0adkill in this case, LOL) is just grade A pathetic, ffs. In the convo it was actually UAxDeath himself that suggested using Peoke as an intermediary. However Peoke was not on for a few days and he couldn't keep it in his pants until he returned.... Being impatient will cost you every time. It's a shame he felt so embarassed by the incident that he needed to lie to his friend MACTEP and his corp. A real leader can at least admit when they've made a mistake instead of blaming it on someone else and lying to their friends. When the first tower was put down in NGM, Scooter was told 'you can keep it as long as you promise not to destroy any others'... Which is like admitting defeat on day 1, could you imagine getting an offer like that?. When it was put into reinforced, BS's (not caps) were used. This is despite the fact that at the time the cyno jammer was up and we only had 1 carrier in system....
Faekurias Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.11 12:09:00 - [45] Edited by: Faekurias on 11/10/2007 12:09:59 I'm afraid that when RK run out of Major Competition and Alliances to fight they'll look at us poor dweebs with hungry eyes :( Edit: SpLeLiNg keke MY SIG FTW! \o/
Funkcikle Gallente DEATHFUNK Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.11 12:35:00 - [46] Cut away the deadweight, reorganise your leadership and set a new goal, preferably including beating the snot out of some small opponent to fix moral. Its what we Did :) Luv Funk
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.11 13:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Sevarus James From Meridian's perspective: First I personally want to congratulate the "horde" on absolutely masterful CnC. I also wish to congratulate the victors on the um.....er.. uh....spoils. (drone regions were driving my exploration guys bugnutz, and our drillers were constantly out of high ends due to the usual wacky ways of the region.) Our combat guys ALWAYS looked forward to the RK/Smash gangs...not only good pew pew, but instructive and taught our younger pilots valuable lessons. (Burn Eden as well before...) There is NOTHING like better pvp'ers to teach the way of the warrior if you take the time to learn from mistakes and observe what occurred in each fight. A lesson FREGE takes from this that I haven't seen mentioned is that it is NOT numbers that win the day, it is Command and Control. Communications were the death of the fight for our alliance, and this is completely understood and accepted. I also want to thank our enemies for what I think was the most awesome freight chase I've ever seen or been a part of...we lost a freighter, moving gear out of the region, in one of the most adrenaline soaked gut wrenchingly exciting chases I've been a part of. To our opponents, we were literally within 10 seconds of succeeding, but at the very end, the freighter, sitting 200 meters inside the dictor bubble....was facing the wrong direction. While hindsight is always 20/20, I do not regret the loss of NGM. It woke up the alliance. It revitalized our corp in ways I cannot even begin to count. It weeded out the leeches and hangers-on, AND it showed our combat ops folks that without communications, there will never be victory. One comment regarding a prior post about congratulations to KIA for the carrier kills...that WAS a FREGE operation. The dictors on the field in 9iz were ours. That was a wonderful last hurrah in my opinion being on that field and taking action regardless of the war's outcome. The only gripe that I have is the smack that some of our opponents continually spat out in local. That, and ONLY that is the only bad taste in my mouth regarding the last couple months. See you out there Sevarus if Frege was filled up with corps like yours they would never have lost their space. o7
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.11 18:48:00 - [48] Originally by: Sevarus James I also want to thank our enemies for what I think was the most awesome freight chase I've ever seen or been a part of...we lost a freighter, moving gear out of the region, in one of the most adrenaline soaked gut wrenchingly exciting chases I've been a part of. To our opponents, we were literally within 10 seconds of succeeding, but at the very end, the freighter, sitting 200 meters inside the dictor bubble....was facing the wrong direction. Aye we were hauling ass trying to catch up. I kept telling people you guys were making a run to l4x, but it took a while for them to read it in gang chat (no-mic 4tl). I heard it was great loot , but I crashed shortly after and somehow none of that good stuff got back to me. I hope your corp GL in the future, whereever that may be. You guys were pretty cool (from my short time in FREGE). ________________________________ I hate you, too.
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.11 19:04:00 - [49] I was worried the threat was going to go to far off talking about the nyx scam. At least it hasn't gone overboard yet. I have to give props to MDK, by far the hardest corp that I have ran across that I was not able to get a good number of kills on. MDK were masterful with scouting and knowing when to fight, when to retreat, and when to just dock-up and go watch t.v. MDK is a good example of a small group that are using well coordinated ships and a super tanking dommi :P more than once they would jump there dommi into bwf we'd get it to 10% armor while the rest of there b.s. jumped through and started remote repairing :P ------------ I really do not want this to be lets attack frege.. but more of... lets discuss what works and does not work for the survival of an alliance. I think many good things have been touched on, you need cordinated pvp forces, good comuunications, cordination with your allies, and industrial support. Industiral support gets attacked the most in many alliances.. calling them carebears etc etc. and sure there are going to be people that are carebears.. lets face it no everyone wants to pvp. But it does not mean that non-pvping player should not be responciable for helping the alliance out.. Transportation and stocking the market with items (at a decent price) can really add to the effectivness of a pvp force and the ability of an alliance to maintain and keep 0.0 space. -John
Peoke Caldari Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.11 20:47:00 - [50] its so simple guys. you need a peoke a scooter1 ad a little bit of gods army. i just go on eve o and chatter about not caring about spelling or grammar. Scooter1 just flys around finds holes in outposts systems. gods magically is online 23 hours a day and stuff is done. oh and i forgot the magic part. every great alliance has a bag of magic, its what i use.

Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.11 20:48:00 - [51] Originally by: Peoke gods magically is online 23 hours a day and stuff is done. tbh i've been wondering about that...
NeoShocker Caldari Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.11 21:04:00 - [52] <3 john and USN. GF Freges and other hostile alliance. Hope frege still on for pew pew. :( Don't wanna go back to my old habit of N-RAEL camping again. ----------------------------------- Peace through power!
Eikl	Posted - 2007.10.11 22:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Peoke gods magically is online 23 hours a day and stuff is done. tbh i've been wondering about that... Bourbon is like coffee, but better.
Sidewayzracer Caldari Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.11 23:49:00 - [54] Originally by: John Blackthorn I have to give props to MDK, by far the hardest corp that I have ran across that I was not able to get a good number of kills on. MDK were masterful with scouting and knowing when to fight, when to retreat, and when to just dock-up and go watch t.v. MDK is a good example of a small group that are using well coordinated ships and a super tanking dommi :P more than once they would jump there dommi into bwf we'd get it to 10% armor while the rest of there b.s. jumped through and started remote repairing :P i love u john
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.11 23:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Sidewayzracer i love u john John's my alt....sorry I had to admit the truth to the world...
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.12 00:13:00 - [56] Originally by: God's Army the last fight in MJ- When you had 400 peeps in your fleet and we had 135 on the gate, you choosed to wait till you outnumber us 4:1 to bring it, you had the chance to BBQ us at the gate even with your 200 man fleet on the gate, and have a nice fleet fight without lag or crashing the node ect., But all i can say, that fleet commander who were organizing the events with 400 pvpers, should be podded. I was leading our fleet, i asked our members, Do you guys wanna fight them or just retreat to the POS, Every1 choosed the first option, Why do you think? they can just log off or warp back to the POS.. you know Some people were convoing me about how did we manage to fight 4:1 at the gate?, what kind of balls do we have?, it's not my balls, it's my members, the people i trust, and pvpers i knew and i fly with, We had a goal, my guys trust our alliance leadership, thats help alot the PVP performance. You didn't had this thing, your leadership were busy trying to beg more alliances to fight us instead of motivating it's own members, like " Please guys bring your fleet and help, because we can't bring ours" :) enough said. Just an FYI. I was FC'ing that fleet the same way as I fc'd the other main eu tz fleets in MJ- and each and every time in the EU tz we held the field and wiped the majority of your fleet. Your KB doesnt lie, just go and look up any fleet action between about 19.00-00.00 eve time and show me a single large engagement you won during the MJ- conflict? All your wins came around 4am, prime US tz. As you say "it's not my balls, it's my members, the people i trust, and pvpers i knew and i fly with". If we had had 200 people I was familiar and comfortable with then we would have gone in then. However, for the most part we were trying to organise a number of different alliances with a lot of relatively new players that had little or no pvp experience, different groups were coming in and needed to be co-ordinated, gangs that should have been on site and ready to go were not ready (as always) and we waited for them. There was never any clear picture as to how many we would get and the plan was never "lets wait until we get 400 then go for it" but rather "wait for the various alliance gangs to arrive and then we go in". You had the gates bubbled, with fighter support and a very large BS fleet at sniper points over the gate. Anyone that would jump into that without a good advantage in numbers (especially when a large portion of your gang can be guaranteed to turn up in myrmidons and other SR stuff) is an idiot and given the fragile state of the MADpact alliance at that stage there was no way I was willing to hand you an easy win like that. As mentioned x number of times before when this large gang jumped in the node crashed (lag was expected, a crash was not) and took forever to stabilise and by the time it did it was around 1am UK time and most people in our gang were logging off, which is why no-one came to your POS to shoot at it. Instructions were left for the US tz people to take over, they were not followed, **** ups followed and you took the station. Basically you had a far larger US tz fleet than we were ever able to match. That is what decided the "war". That and (i) the fact that TIO were utterly unable to manage their POS so that most people in the gang wanted to shoot TIO more than smashkill tbh and (ii) the fact that no-one really had any interest in fighting this war, we for example wanted to get back down South to fight against the Alliance which is where we were when this kicked off and where we went the day after it ended. In essence, you had more commitment to this fight than the people you were fighting and that decided it. I would not deny our lack of interest in this engagement for a minute beyond the decent fights we had. Anyway, sorry to break up your chest beating thread, please carry on.
zykerx Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.12 02:57:00 - [57] in oure weak timezone, eu timezone we killed most io towers o.0 but yeah, lack of interest to help io was the problem it seems . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"


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