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Moctobot
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Enthes goldhart i dont read my forums any more i just read COAD evrything seams to get here these days....
have you ever tried to fight with no isk agaist overwelming odds?
and to evryone who plays eve... do u really really want goon to win this war?? i used to hear how bob were ebil but tbh goon are just annoying and i would rather have an evil guy controlling the world than an annoying guy
bob took your isk and made you poor and didnt give you any support which they promised assuring those overwhelming odds andwe have been saying this for a while now so who are you really mad at man
it shouldnt be us
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ForkInTheEye
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 07:56:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Cringeley the privilege of acting as a human speedbump for RSF
I like that imagery. On the one hand it's almost valiant, like throwing yourself on the grenade for your brosefs. On the other hand, it's kind of like a puppy who gets kicked by its owner yet keeps coming back and you're all awww puppy
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Postmaster Generale
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:05:00 -
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Quote: I like that imagery. On the one hand it's almost valiant, like throwing yourself on the grenade for your brosefs. On the other hand, it's kind of like a puppy who gets kicked by its owner yet keeps coming back and you're all awww puppy
Oh puppy you are so sad. No don't go back over there they don't love you! Puppy they're going to kick you again awwwwwww why'd you go and do that puppy?
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Orebuster
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:22:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Mimedar [ I'll leave that to the fine posters in this forum, who are like, totally awesome, and stuff. Lulz.
Thank you.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:58:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Mortania
Originally by: Mimedar
Originally by: Enthes goldhart
so you are saying as soon as bob is dead your gonna take there space then share it out then when you are board attack all your old allies?
The common cause, for the coalition, as I understand it, is the elimination of BoB as a space holding and influential power. Not the control of all of 0.0 under a rental agreement to the RSF.
When that's accomplished, and it's not exactly a goal that's due to be finished next week, I don't know what will happen. That's a ways off. Stop assuming we'll be as bad as BoB. Apart from being forum warriors, we're not as bad imho.
It's too late for RISE now, though, I believe. I'm just a newbie grunt though, so who knows.
Stop behaving worse, then. Probably would have made your lives easy if you had come onto the scene and just said, death to bob, and then went about your business. The outcry and determination against both BoB and CCP were near universal then.
It's why I don't believe that eliminating BoB is your goal. I don't think it's changed from what it was when the Goon was formed from somethingawful in the first place before BoB was revealed to be in cahoots with a member of CCP's staff. Griefplay. CCP/BoB just makes it easier to recruit.
I seriously cannot believe the amount of Battered Wife Syndrome in this thread. Seriously, is shockingly unreal.
You have the nerve to say that the Goons are lieing about their intentions, while you shrug off BoB's intentions which are THE EXACT SAME THING YOU'RE ACCUSING THE GOONS OF. (Emphasis added to make the point)
BoB has publicly stated that they want to rule 0.0 -- whether it was bravado, hype, or propaganda, it has never been repudiated. Yet that is OK to you. The Goons have publicly said that they do NOT want to rule 0.0, and instead are only waging BoBocide, and after that's over, they'll do "something else" -- but not try to conquer the universe. But nah, the Goons are liars.
You pay BoB a multi-billion ISK fee per month, and then stand as a defiant speedbump between BoB and the Goons. Re-read that, very slowly. YOU ARE PAYING SOMEONE ELSE FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF GETTING BEATEN TO DEATH IN THEIR NAME. Are all RISE a bunch of masochists like you?
You denounce the Goons' tactics. They metagame, they POS spam, they blob, they smacktalk. These are ALL things that BoB introduced FIRST into this game, and this conflict, but to you it's the Goons' fault. You're wallowing in your own battered wife syndrome, and wondering why the Goons' don't just suck it up like you do. Huh?
BoB and the Goons are EXACTLY the same from a tactical standpoint. They will do whatever it takes, within the EULA, to put the other down. The differance is, THE GOONS ARE DOING IT BETTER (currently).
The differance between BoB and the Goons, from an operational standpoint? BoB has more SP and an edge in logistics/material (ship quality, BPO's, industrial). The Goons, have more people.
So what we have here, is two sides of the same coin. They're both willing to fight as dirty as they have to, to win. The only real differance is philosophical. BoB wants to rule the universe because they're entitled to it, as the ancient and honorable original 0.0 deities, omni-impotence itself, blah blah. The Goons want to kill BoB, because BoB's arrogant entitled asses don't want anyone else sitting on Mt Uber other than themselves and those they see as their equals. Therein lies the conflict.
You're sitting in the EVE equivalent of no-man's-land between two rather evenly matched trenches of angry enemies, and complaining about the injustice of it all. Don't you find that just a little bit silly?
Get out, RISE. While you still have something to get out.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:58:00 -
[96]
Holy crap. That wall of text is so bad, I don't even want to read it myself.
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Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania It's not BoBs fault you are unable to gain friends with CCP. It is something anyone could do. Paint your metagaming however you like. It's the same thing as BoBs. So who is worse? The people who are corrupt or the people who see the corrupt people and choose to be MORE corrupt?
The people who run this game have fiduciary and fair trading responsibilities to run it fairly.
The people who play it do not have any responsibility to play it fairly, beyond the rules laid down by CCP, proven breaches of which can lead to players being banned from the game.
What BoB did was a corruption of the entire apparatus of the game at the personnel level. Anything goonfleet has been accused of falls at worst under the heading of borderline exploit (the portrait pack). Everything else is plain old social engineering and isn't illegal or against the rules anywhere.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.12 09:09:00 -
[98]
I wish I could construct posts as bluntly and compact as you, Cringely.
I am the most long-winded pompous pro-Goon non-alt troll, quote this if yer down.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.12 09:12:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Cringeley
Originally by: Mortania It's not BoBs fault you are unable to gain friends with CCP. It is something anyone could do. Paint your metagaming however you like. It's the same thing as BoBs. So who is worse? The people who are corrupt or the people who see the corrupt people and choose to be MORE corrupt?
The people who run this game have fiduciary and fair trading responsibilities to run it fairly.
The people who play it do not have any responsibility to play it fairly, beyond the rules laid down by CCP, proven breaches of which can lead to players being banned from the game.
What BoB did was a corruption of the entire apparatus of the game at the personnel level. Anything goonfleet has been accused of falls at worst under the heading of borderline exploit (the portrait pack). Everything else is plain old social engineering and isn't illegal or against the rules anywhere.
Very true. Compare it to soccer. It's 'part of the game' to get yellow and red cards for offenses. But when a club bribes a referee, the penalties go to a whole different level.
You can accuse Goons, and quite a few other of collecting yellow and even red cards in Eve I think. But they never were involved with a corrupt referee.
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Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 09:19:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Mortania Goons paint all GBC with the same brush, all GBC say Goons are the same, etc.
Actually we're well aware that BoB are the masters and you aren't responsible for their transgressions. It's just that for some reason we can't get your ******** leadership to stop acting like idiots. I urge you to try to step outside yourself for a moment and think about this situation objectively. Review the things that have happened between us and BoB, the things they said about controlling our game, expelling us from the game, being the parents of Eve scolding the goon children for misbehaviour, crushing anything we would ever create in the future...
You are insane to back these people, and you have completely failed to understand us and our cause. It's ******* tragic to watch you throw away everything you've built to protect people who don't respect you, who abuse, who rob you and leave you for dead to be devoured by us just because you won't come to your senses and at least become neutral.
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Voculus
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.12 09:24:00 -
[101]
Quote: I've no problem continuing to stay in the GBC.
I just cannot fathom why you RISE peeps act like such lemmings. BoB doesn't care about you. Can you tell me that's not true?
You don't ever have to like the Goons, or side with them, but FFS, stop spending your RL money on an MMO to enhance the gameplay of an alliance who doesn't know the meaning of the words respect, civility, sportsmanship, or ally.
It's your money, and your time, so make it your game. Stop being BoB's kitty litter box. _________________________________________________________
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Mimedar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: VoculusI just cannot fathom why you RISE peeps act like such lemmings. BoB doesn't care about you. Can you tell me that's not true?
You don't ever have to like the Goons, or side with them, but FFS, stop spending your RL money on an MMO to enhance the gameplay of an alliance who doesn't know the meaning of the words respect, civility, sportsmanship, or ally.
It's your money, and your time, so make it your game. Stop being BoB's kitty litter box.[/quote
If they want to fight, based out of space in the south, they pretty much have the choice of the RSF or BoB. Otherwise, it's NPC 0.0.
Not everyone can be as cool as Tri and go it alone yet. When/if the Coalition wins, things should change.
I've gained irrational exhuberance from not being corrected as a noob yet. :woop:
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:22:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Mimedar Edited by: Mimedar on 12/10/2007 09:39:37
Originally by: Voculus I just cannot fathom why you RISE peeps act like such lemmings. BoB doesn't care about you. Can you tell me that's not true?
You don't ever have to like the Goons, or side with them, but FFS, stop spending your RL money on an MMO to enhance the gameplay of an alliance who doesn't know the meaning of the words respect, civility, sportsmanship, or ally.
It's your money, and your time, so make it your game. Stop being BoB's kitty litter box.
If they want to fight, based out of space in the south, they pretty much have the choice of the RSF or BoB. Otherwise, it's NPC 0.0.
Not everyone can be as cool as Tri and go it alone yet. When/if the Coalition wins, things should change.
I've gained irrational exhuberance from not being corrected as a noob yet. :woop:
noob
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:31:00 -
[104]
We don't care about you RISE. Honestly, we don't. You're aligned with BoB, and because of that we're making you suffer. The moment you say "**** this" and get out of the way is the moment we no longer make you suffer and let you run off to do whatever the hell you want to. Just get out of the way, go play somewhere else, it really isn't that fun blowing up your POSes day in and day out.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:58:00 -
[105]
WTS : Jump Bridging service. Expensive.
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Lazuran
Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:16:00 -
[106]
Short summary: "we pushed the BoB iWin button but it didn't work. Let's go back to Outer Ring."
isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
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gicaduru
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:01:00 -
[107]
Reading this stuff just makes me feel bad for RISE. I was in RKK for a little while and they always spoke of RISE and other 'pets' with total disrepect. All the renters are a running joke within BoB as to how worthless they are as anything but a source of isk.
I don't really think much of RISE of an alliance, they allowed a small number of us, myself included, to hold them down and lock them in their station rather than showing a force of will capable of repelling us. Still, all the same, I think this is a sad end and I wish they had negotiated a surrender and left to fight somewhere else.
Regardless of their fighting ability they've shown a lot of willpower to make it this long at least, and they could flourish elsewhere.
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Sigmorhair
Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:05:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Mortania
Originally by: Muro Deez
Besides, do you honestly think that your idols don't do the same thing?
Maybe you missed the part about where I explain that you are the worse of the two evils. I don't idolize BoB, they are allies.
Originally by: Muro Deez
It's a part of the game, live with it or die.
It isn't, that's the whole point. It's metagaming. Because everyone cheats, it doesn't mean cheating is part of the game. It's still cheating. Have fun cheating and winning.
While we are making up stuff to call cheating despite what CCP has actually said - I would like to declare donuts, kittens and anyone who ever kills me cheaters as well.
Ban everyone who ever kills me TIA!
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:13:00 -
[109]
So hows that rent refund going?
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Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:18:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Sigmorhair
While we are making up stuff to call cheating despite what CCP has actually said - I would like to declare donuts, kittens and anyone who ever kills me cheaters as well.
Ban everyone who ever kills me TIA!
Are you a mushroom stalker? I'm pretty sure flaccid limbs are not part of the plan. |
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Sigmorhair
Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:22:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Sigmorhair
While we are making up stuff to call cheating despite what CCP has actually said - I would like to declare donuts, kittens and anyone who ever kills me cheaters as well.
Ban everyone who ever kills me TIA!
Are you a mushroom stalker? I'm pretty sure flaccid limbs are not part of the plan.
I'll pass on your offer. In fact, it sounds like cheating!
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Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:32:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Sigmorhair
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Sigmorhair
While we are making up stuff to call cheating despite what CCP has actually said - I would like to declare donuts, kittens and anyone who ever kills me cheaters as well.
Ban everyone who ever kills me TIA!
Are you a mushroom stalker? I'm pretty sure flaccid limbs are not part of the plan.
I'll pass on your offer. In fact, it sounds like cheating!
Yes, yes it does. Thanks for everything. I know it can be hard getting entangled in all sorts of that stuff, so you need to be strong for the moment. |
Trask Kilraen
The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:55:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Mortania
You pay rent as well. I note that the tax rate in your corp is 15%. I've heard rumors, but it may just be idle speculation, that all Goon members pay 10% to the alliance. Tax, rent, payment, bribe, etc. it's all just semantics.
There is a difference. When you pay taxes, you are working towards a common goal as an allaince and corp.
When you pay rent to BoB, you are paying for the right for them to tell you that you are just not a priorty, regardless of any promises made in the past. You are paying for the right to be treated with disrespect.
Congratulations! You're a loyal pet! ------------------------------------------
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Frederick Skinner
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 13:14:00 -
[114]
Originally by: CEO Pyrex When Bob is dead and sirmolles account is cancelled i plan to restart ASCN and shatter goons from within
Whos with me!!!???.....
oh......
I'll come F*** GOONS
Filter us out all you want, it still won't change the truth. |
ErbUs
Minmatar NCL Research
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Posted - 2007.10.12 13:30:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Cringeley Let me do a little timeline for you, RISE
Mid 2006 BoB threaten to drive us from the game Beginning of 2007 BoB leadership are revealed as cheaters Early 2007 many players, including us, wage war on BoB
Now at what point in this sequence of events did you guys decide to become BoB's battered wife, and why do you hate us so much? We don't hate you, we just want BoB's scalp.
Seriously, I've been hearing this crap from you for MONTHS about how goons are evil hehe dumb evil goons goons suck. Guess what, we didn't do this to you. BoB has done this to you. It is BoB who ****ed off half the galaxy and precipitated a war that, in the end, they can't win. It is BoB who has been taking your money and giving you nothing in return that you couldn't have got by the sweat of your own brows if you had joined a proper cluster of equals like RSF-IAAAC. And yet you persist with this crap. "Oh ya definitely we stay with GBC never be blue to ebil goonies nevaaaaaar!".
There's an expression for what Molle has and will always take you for. USEFUL IDIOTS. You con yourselves because somehow you think that BoB have incredible e-honour and are really great guys and that one day if you screw up your little fists and stick out your little tongues as hard as you can that BoB is going to come down from on high and grant you freedom, or equality, or even the slightest shred of respect. IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
You want to know where respect and equality and freedom exist? On our side of the fence, where we have friends and allies instead of pets and slaves.
STOP ABUSING YOURSELVES. STOP SUPPORTING THOSE WHO HAVE ABUSED YOU.
I'm down with this
*werd Stevobob George Orwell once said: ôIf you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.ö
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 13:30:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Evil Thug WTS : Jump Bridging service. Expensive.
Classic |
Blank Protection
Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.12 13:55:00 -
[117]
lol With BoB fighting against IAAAC in Catch i doubt R.I.S.E will get a save trip out.
Nah,BoB is not going to help R.I.S.E and risking needles ship losses while also trying to keep FAT and 25s.
R.I.S.E think about MrPire and choose your side.
*Btw I`m always right,even if i dont* |
Gloomrake Ono
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:07:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Blank Protection BoB is not going to help R.I.S.E and risking needles ship losses while also trying to keep FAT and 25s.
Trying to keep? serious?
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:09:00 -
[119]
To the RISE posters, say what you will about Goons, the one thing they are not is BOB! The arrogant alliance that will allow you to lose your capital ships and T2 snipers for the low low price of 6 Billion a month!!
Guess the little secret of you lot paying rent is finally out...wonder if your membership cares about its lying leaders! How many RISE pilots have angrily shouted "We dont pay rent!!!"
Being a BOB pet/slave/renter is the definition of failing at eve.
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Jarryn Kell
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.12 14:41:00 -
[120]
May I submit a modest proposal to the rise leadership? For the low price of just 5 billion isk a month, significantly less than the current breached agreement with BoB, we can render the following services to the great alliance of rise:
1) Complete and total protection of the RIT triangle, also known as "Core" from the ravaging BoB hordes! 2) Access to a vast number of hardcore PvP pilots and capital ships, just frothing at the mouth for new targets! 3) Access to vast, untapped areas of 0.0 space, from Omist and Feyth, to Detorid and Scalding Pass, all the way up to the Drone Regions! 4) Partnership with a friendly, helpful band of international players, including Russians, Americans, and French, not a few you may know already! 5) An extensive and complete Jump Bridge Network, starting right at your doorstep, and extending to Empire! 5) Many, many lawls and buttes!
Please convo me in game, for this once in a lifetime deal. Pre-payment of the first and last month's rent is due upon signing of agreement, no refunds once this item has been added to your cart. Please contact Billy Merc for references.
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