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Calimor Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 03:50:00 - [31] Originally by: LoKesh RISE is, as you say, 'considering our options.' None of these options include abandoning our members, abandoning our many friends and allies or abandoning our quest to wipe Goon from the face of Eve. You have access to our boards, you can read the entire critique of Roy's drivle... or isn't that the type of thing you'd like your masses to see? Who are you to talk about hiding the truth from masses? Take your hipocrisy and shove it down your Alliance forums. You guys are in panic, desperated, some of you clearly have now realized that BoB is not coming to save you and they've been using you all that time. These logs show all that. Yet you try to fool your own alliance members with promises. Been doing that for a while, and so far it only means that about 400 members (or a third from your peak) got tired and left. And they are right. Keep doing your job, mister "Minister of Foreign Affairs". Keep "considering your options". Keep ruining your members' fun by spewing lies that only, in the long run, screw them over. Keep doing that, and we'll keep ratting in your homeland, happily.
Ackaroth D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 03:52:00 - [32] Say what you will about metagaming, these are always an interesting read.
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 03:54:00 - [33] Originally by: LoKesh our quest to wipe Goon from the face of Eve. IT IS TO LAUGH. What the **** have we ever done to you that wasn't a direct result of you choosing to ally with BoB? Your self righteousness is completely misplaced and you are suffering needlessly as a result. We have never sought war with Rise, only war with those who stand between us and BoB.
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 03:56:00 - [34] Originally by: Cringeley Originally by: LoKesh our quest to wipe Goon from the face of Eve. IT IS TO LAUGH. What the **** have we ever done to you that wasn't a direct result of you choosing to ally with BoB? Your self righteousness is completely misplaced and you are suffering needlessly as a result. We have never sought war with Rise, only war with those who stand between us and BoB. I'm pretty sure we do now
Chest McManbone GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 03:58:00 - [35] Wait didn't we try to kill RISE when it was NORAD or have we gone through De-Remedialization and purged that part of our history?
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 04:00:00 - [36] Originally by: Swamp Ziro I'm pretty sure we do now This is a serious challenge. I want Lokesh to explain to everybody, to all of Eve and all of his members, what we have done that means Rise members should wreck themselves for this vain so-called quest to "wipe [goons] from the face of Eve". Ever bad thing we've ever done BoB either did first or worse, and we haven't been charging Rise rent for the privilege of calling our ****s ice cream, so where the hell does Lokesh get off telling his members to die and lose all their assets against ebil Goon? Are these guys just going to keep following a delusional leader who is probably A) in BoB's pay or B) hoping (haha) to get recruited to BoB when they all perish ?
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 04:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Chest McManbone Wait didn't we try to kill RISE when it was NORAD or have we gone through De-Remedialization and purged that part of our history? That is oldthink, from before BoB scoured JQV. But seriously, that's way back, and since then we pretty much fixed on killing the people who decided to remove us from the game (BoB) or kicked us while we were down just for laughs (LV). If RISE hadn't decided that all they really wanted in life was to endure BoB's endless personal abuse for the privilege of acting as a human speedbump for RSF, we wouldn't have any ill will towards them at all.
Frederick Skinner GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 04:24:00 - [38] Originally by: Cringeley Originally by: Chest McManbone Wait didn't we try to kill RISE when it was NORAD or have we gone through De-Remedialization and purged that part of our history? That is oldthink, from before BoB scoured JQV. But seriously, that's way back, and since then we pretty much fixed on killing the people who decided to remove us from the game (BoB) or kicked us while we were down just for laughs (LV). If RISE hadn't decided that all they really wanted in life was to endure BoB's endless personal abuse for the privilege of acting as a human speedbump for RSF, we wouldn't have any ill will towards them at all. We really didn't have any animosity for them back then ether. We just wanted some space to build reaction towers (GOONS WITH MOONS). Also, if iirc, we did offer NORAD safe passage and was rudely rebuffed. So to those mentioning to offer it now I say; we've been there and not inclined to offer it again. Filter us out all you want, it still won't change the truth.
Xipious Oash GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 04:25:00 - [39] Originally by: Chest McManbone Wait didn't we try to kill RISE when it was NORAD or have we gone through De-Remedialization and purged that part of our history? That was like 1 week between "lets step outside of syndicate" and "can I shoot this station?". Hardly even counts in my mind.
Erik Amirault Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 04:26:00 - [40] Post in the readable thread, this thread sucks mm'k?

Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 04:27:00 - [41] Originally by: Xipious Oash Originally by: Chest McManbone Wait didn't we try to kill RISE when it was NORAD or have we gone through De-Remedialization and purged that part of our history? That was like 1 week between "lets step outside of syndicate" and "can I shoot this station?". Hardly even counts in my mind. God imagine what the Eve galaxy would look like today if he had said "can I shoot that station...meh, probably not" heads home. Incredible.
Tevlent GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 04:28:00 - [42] Edited by: Tevlent on 12/10/2007 04:30:36 Originally by: Cringeley Let me do a little timeline for you, RISE Mid 2006 BoB threaten to drive us from the game Beginning of 2007 BoB leadership are revealed as cheaters Early 2007 many players, including us, wage war on BoB Now at what point in this sequence of events did you guys decide to become BoB's battered wife, and why do you hate us so much? We don't hate you, we just want BoB's scalp. Seriously, I've been hearing this crap from you for MONTHS about how goons are evil hehe dumb evil goons goons suck. Guess what, we didn't do this to you. BoB has done this to you. It is BoB who ***ed off half the galaxy and precipitated a war that, in the end, they can't win. It is BoB who has been taking your money and giving you nothing in return that you couldn't have got by the sweat of your own brows if you had joined a proper cluster of equals like RSF-IAAAC. And yet you persist* with this crap. "Oh ya definitely we stay with GBC never be blue to ebil goonies nevaaaaaar!". There's an expression for what Molle has and will always take you for. USEFUL IDIOTS. You con yourselves because somehow you think that BoB have incredible e-honour and are really great guys and that one day if you screw up your little fists and stick out your little tongues as hard as you can that BoB is going to come down from on high and grant you freedom, or equality, or even the slightest shred of respect. IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. You want to know where respect and equality and freedom exist? On our side of the fence, where we have friends and allies instead of pets and slaves. STOP ABUSING YOURSELVES. STOP SUPPORTING THOSE WHO HAVE ABUSED YOU. This^^. Honestly, RISE don't you understand that the only reason we are attacking you right now is because you stand between us and BoB. BoB is all we care about and we will take out anyone in our way. If you ****** off somewhere else and didn't offer support to BoB do you really think we would waste our time chasing you around? No. All we want is BoB, that is what we have come for. Maybe if you just try to think for even a moment, you would see that RoyofCA wasn't just feeding you worthless propaganda. He was feeding you the truth. You are so absorbed in you own little world that you don't even comprehend the facts.
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.12 04:45:00 - [43] Edited by: Hellaciouss on 12/10/2007 04:45:25 Sorry to hear BoB has baled yet again on another alliance (though not surprising) that was paying huge lumps of money to them. I hope all you other pets are taking notes. Don't think it won't happen to you as well.
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.12 04:59:00 - [44] Originally by: Tevlent Edited by: Tevlent on 12/10/2007 04:30:36 Originally by: Cringeley Let me do a little timeline for you, RISE Mid 2006 BoB threaten to drive us from the game Beginning of 2007 BoB leadership are revealed as cheaters Early 2007 many players, including us, wage war on BoB Now at what point in this sequence of events did you guys decide to become BoB's battered wife, and why do you hate us so much? We don't hate you, we just want BoB's scalp. Seriously, I've been hearing this crap from you for MONTHS about how goons are evil hehe dumb evil goons goons suck. Guess what, we didn't do this to you. BoB has done this to you. It is BoB who ***ed off half the galaxy and precipitated a war that, in the end, they can't win. It is BoB who has been taking your money and giving you nothing in return that you couldn't have got by the sweat of your own brows if you had joined a proper cluster of equals like RSF-IAAAC. And yet you persist* with this crap. "Oh ya definitely we stay with GBC never be blue to ebil goonies nevaaaaaar!". There's an expression for what Molle has and will always take you for. USEFUL IDIOTS. You con yourselves because somehow you think that BoB have incredible e-honour and are really great guys and that one day if you screw up your little fists and stick out your little tongues as hard as you can that BoB is going to come down from on high and grant you freedom, or equality, or even the slightest shred of respect. IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. You want to know where respect and equality and freedom exist? On our side of the fence, where we have friends and allies instead of pets and slaves. STOP ABUSING YOURSELVES. STOP SUPPORTING THOSE WHO HAVE ABUSED YOU. This^^. Honestly, RISE don't you understand that the only reason we are attacking you right now is because you stand between us and BoB. BoB is all we care about and we will take out anyone in our way. If you ****** off somewhere else and didn't offer support to BoB do you really think we would waste our time chasing you around? No. All we want is BoB, that is what we have come for. Maybe if you just try to think for even a moment, you would see that RoyofCA wasn't just feeding you worthless propaganda. He was feeding you the truth. You are so absorbed in you own little world that you don't even comprehend the facts. I was incredibly soured by the actions of CCP during the BPO debacle and BoB. We lost more than one key member because of it. Though no solid proof was shown that BoB leadership and CCPs asshat were in direct cahoots, where there is smoke there is fire. Goons, on the otherhand have a leadership that has a published article that talks about how they are proud of their metagaming, their blatant cheating. Nearly all goons act like the stereotypical internet 13 year old asshats both in local, on these boards, and everywhere else on the internet. BoB allowed their unfair connections and power to corrupt them, but got revealed and had the decency to at least pretend to be ashamed by it. Goon have created a similar amount of unfair connections and power and it isn't a corruption, for they revel in it. Personally, I really dislike what happened with BoB and CCP. But, I find the very fiber of what Goons have professed to be to be distasteful to me as a real person. You have no honor as game players, you are proud greifers with no sense of boundaries for game and life. If Goons and their ilk are the future of EVE, I just won't play. This is why I'm currently Blue. I find a deep sadness that RA have allied with you. They are consumate gamers, filled with honor and they will always have my respect. This crusade against BoB is only a tool that Goons use to gather more greifers and alliances to their banner. The only true goal Goons have is to destroy EVE as a game. How can anyone who loves this game, or gaming in general, ally with that? It boggles my mind. --- Destroying asteroids one at a time, to make the universe safer.
Muro Deez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Mortania stuff Two questions: 1) Goons cheating? 2) Unfair connections? I assume you're referring to the GIA, and it's not unfair if every other person is able to do it. It's not our fault if you're unable to run a spynet.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:09:00 - [46] Originally by: LoKesh RISE is, as you say, 'considering our options.' None of these options include abandoning our members, abandoning our many friends and allies or abandoning our quest to wipe Goon from the face of Eve. You have access to our boards, you can read the entire critique of Roy's drivle... or isn't that the type of thing you'd like your masses to see? Considering indeed. Your CEOs have spent a lot of time considering their personal assets. Then more time, listing how much they had to lose in each station. And then more time offering to help each other evac and use alts to liquidate your Council toys... while begging and pleading your membership to stay, fight, and not to do the sensible thing and secure their assets. I look forward to more of your suffering. Pets such as you are execrable little creatures, and I loathe them more than I loathe BoB. You and yours beg for your rent money back from your masters, yet you haven't the spine or pride shuck off your yoke. Pathetic.
Daveydweeb Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:09:00 - [47] Originally by: Mortania This crusade against BoB is only a tool that Goons use to gather more greifers and alliances to their banner. The only true goal Goons have is to destroy EVE as a game. How can anyone who loves this game, or gaming in general, ally with that? It boggles my mind. Goon alt spotted. snip sig removed due to it containing nothing relating to eve or the character - hutch
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:11:00 - [48] Originally by: Mortania I was incredibly soured by the actions of CCP during the BPO debacle and BoB. We lost more than one key member because of it. Though no solid proof was shown that BoB leadership and CCPs asshat were in direct cahoots, where there is smoke there is fire. Goons, on the otherhand have a leadership that has a published article that talks about how they are proud of their metagaming, their blatant cheating. Nearly all goons act like the stereotypical internet 13 year old asshats both in local, on these boards, and everywhere else on the internet. BoB allowed their unfair connections and power to corrupt them, but got revealed and had the decency to at least pretend to be ashamed by it. Goon have created a similar amount of unfair connections and power and it isn't a corruption, for they revel in it. Personally, I really dislike what happened with BoB and CCP. But, I find the very fiber of what Goons have professed to be to be distasteful to me as a real person. You have no honor as game players, you are proud greifers with no sense of boundaries for game and life. If Goons and their ilk are the future of EVE, I just won't play. This is why I'm currently Blue. I find a deep sadness that RA have allied with you. They are consumate gamers, filled with honor and they will always have my respect. This crusade against BoB is only a tool that Goons use to gather more greifers and alliances to their banner. The only true goal Goons have is to destroy EVE as a game. How can anyone who loves this game, or gaming in general, ally with that? It boggles my mind. I guess I'll quote a famous bob saying on these fine forums here: Quote: can I have your stuff?
Chest McManbone GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:12:00 - [49] Originally by: Muro Deez Goons cheating? PPgate blows any BoB indiscretion out of the water, tbqh.
Alice Cholmondeley I Am Legend	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:17:00 - [50] Originally by: The Mittani I look forward to more of your suffering. Pets such as you are execrable little creatures, and I loathe them more than I loathe BoB. You and yours beg for your rent money back from your masters, yet you haven't the spine or pride shuck off your yoke. Pathetic. How's prepubescent live treating you Mittani, good to have you whine once more on the foreground.

Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:19:00 - [51] Multiple threads on same thing FTL. However: Originally by: Nemo Omnes MC finished the North off. (Great job!) Did I miss a memo or something? Well we'll explain it to you all in person in due course, I suppose.
Mimedar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Mortania I was incredibly soured by the actions of CCP during the BPO debacle and BoB. We lost more than one key member because of it. Though no solid proof was shown that BoB leadership and CCPs asshat were in direct cahoots, where there is smoke there is fire. This would be a reasonable opinion. I didn't start playing this game for a hell of a lot longer than I should have because of that. A game that BoB with their attitude of new players suck, elitism, rah rah, dominates is a dead game. Originally by: Mortania Goons, on the otherhand have a leadership that has a published article that talks about how they are proud of their metagaming, their blatant cheating. Nearly all goons act like the stereotypical internet 13 year old asshats both in local, on these boards, and everywhere else on the internet. HAD a leadership, that may have been paranoid. Molle and those involved in their abuses are all still there in positions of leadership, the goon equivalents are not, to my admittedly relatively newbie knowledge. Also, get a sense of humor. Even the worst of goons are no worse than your average **poster on the internet. I believe the proper MMO phrase is "cry more"? Originally by:** Mortania BoB allowed their unfair connections and power to corrupt them, but got revealed and had the decency to at least pretend to be ashamed by it. Goon have created a similar amount of unfair connections and power and it isn't a corruption, for they revel in it. Personally, I really dislike what happened with BoB and CCP. But, I find the very fiber of what Goons have professed to be to be distasteful to me as a real person. You have no honor as game players, you are proud greifers with no sense of boundaries for game and life. If Goons and their ilk are the future of EVE, I just won't play. So you'd rather side with the admitted cheaters(but we're sorry we made billions via cheating[we'll not give it back though]! But heck, them goons got paranoid about bob cheating after they did, admitted to it, and anyone who said anything about it was banned, and caused a media **storm, because LOL america), then simply not obstruct some irreverant clowns. That was all that was asked of you, stop paying rent, don't stand in the way. When this is all over we can duke it out if either of us wants. Instead you impede the crusade against an elitist entity that says new players suck, that is decaying the game by their mere attitude and presence, as opposed to the RSF which quite simply doesn't care about dominating all of 0.0 and making people play our way. And that's not to say I hate every last bobbit and bobbit pet, I'm sure there are some redeeming people in there, that's not the point. You pay rent. Which is utterly pathetic by the way, regardless of which philosophical side you take in this. Your mere presence gets in our way by your willingness to subjugate yourself. Grow up and grow a pair. Originally by:** Mortania This is why I'm currently Blue. I find a deep sadness that RA have allied with you. They are consumate gamers, filled with honor and they will always have my respect. Yes, RA is full of honor and BoB respects that. I mean "logoffski" hasn't entered common parlance and they haven't been insulted to hell for their nationality. Nor have TCF. I believe the proper vernacular here is "mad props"? Originally by: Mortania This crusade against BoB is only a tool that Goons use to gather more greifers and alliances to their banner. The only true goal Goons have is to destroy EVE as a game. How can anyone who loves this game, or gaming in general, ally with that? No, it really is an honest crusade. It's how goonswarm recruits and has recruited for quite a while. What happens after is for after. I imagine things will change, we'll see.
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:33:00 - [53] Originally by: Muro Deez Originally by: Mortania stuff Two questions: 1) Goons cheating? 2) Unfair connections? I assume you're referring to the GIA, and it's not unfair if every other person is able to do it. It's not our fault if you're unable to run a spynet. It's not BoBs fault you are unable to gain friends with CCP. It is something anyone could do. Paint your metagaming however you like. It's the same thing as BoBs. So who is worse? The people who are corrupt or the people who see the corrupt people and choose to be MORE corrupt? Finally, it's not that I am unable to run a spynet, I would never do such a thing. Nor would I have observers in the gallery of a poker game to spy on others cards to gain an unfair advantage. I enjoy the games and playing those games by the rules and seeing who can succeed in that manner. Anyone can cheat and win by going outside of the rules. That's like stealing candy from a baby, where is the satisfaction in cheating and winning? I find none. If your contention is that CCP condones such actions, then I find that to be even a more despicable team up than the CCP/BoB team up. --- Destroying asteroids one at a time, to make the universe safer.
Dreznengul Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:34:00 - [54] Edited by: Dreznengul on 12/10/2007 05:37:21 Originally by: Mortania I was incredibly soured by the actions of CCP during the BPO debacle and BoB. We lost more than one key member because of it. Though no solid proof was shown that BoB leadership and CCPs asshat were in direct cahoots, where there is smoke there is fire. Goons, on the otherhand have a leadership that has a published article that talks about how they are proud of their metagaming, their blatant cheating. Nearly all goons act like the stereotypical internet 13 year old asshats both in local, on these boards, and everywhere else on the internet. BoB allowed their unfair connections and power to corrupt them, but got revealed and had the decency to at least pretend to be ashamed by it. Goon have created a similar amount of unfair connections and power and it isn't a corruption, for they revel in it. Personally, I really dislike what happened with BoB and CCP. But, I find the very fiber of what Goons have professed to be to be distasteful to me as a real person. You have no honor as game players, you are proud greifers with no sense of boundaries for game and life. If Goons and their ilk are the future of EVE, I just won't play. This is why I'm currently Blue. I find a deep sadness that RA have allied with you. They are consumate gamers, filled with honor and they will always have my respect. This crusade against BoB is only a tool that Goons use to gather more greifers and alliances to their banner. The only true goal Goons have is to destroy EVE as a game. How can anyone who loves this game, or gaming in general, ally with that? It boggles my mind. First off, this is a game. Get off your high horse about e-honor. You claim Goons have "unfair connections", but just because they thought of a way to get an insane edge before anyone else did doesn't make it unfair. Anyone can take a character and through lies, deceit, and a bit of work get into a corp and get access to forums, evemail, plans etc. What BoB did was completely different, there was no way anyone else could get connections inside CCP and then use it to get an edge in game. That's cheating, that's not having e-honor (oh noes). How do you find what we "profess" to be distasteful? What have we "professed" to be? People who shock actually have fun playing a game? God forbid I pay $10 (or 170m isk) a month to play a game and enjoy it. I'll give you a hint. Goonies act like 13 year old asshats because it ticks you off. It ticks you and all your little alliance members off to think that a bunch of 13 year old asshats are kicking your ass. Personally, I laugh every time I read a post like yours. Mainly because one of these days it's going to hit you like a ton of bricks that you're completely wrong and no amount of propaganda or lies will make up for it. EDIT: Originally by: Mortania It's not BoBs fault you are unable to gain friends with CCP. It is something anyone could do. Paint your metagaming however you like. It's the same thing as BoBs. So who is worse? The people who are corrupt or the people who see the corrupt people and choose to be MORE corrupt? Finally, it's not that I am unable to run a spynet, I would never do such a thing. Nor would I have observers in the gallery of a poker game to spy on others cards to gain an unfair advantage. I enjoy the games and playing those games by the rules and seeing who can succeed in that manner. Anyone can cheat and win by going outside of the rules. That's like stealing candy from a baby, where is the satisfaction in cheating and winning? I find none. If your contention is that CCP condones such actions, then I find that to be even a more despicable team up than the CCP/BoB team up. Seriously... reality is over here. I have no idea where you are.
Dreznengul Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Mortania Originally by: Mimedar You pay rent. Which is utterly pathetic by the way, regardless of which philosophical side you take in this. Your mere presence gets in our way by your willingness to subjugate yourself. Grow up and grow a pair. You pay rent as well. I note that the tax rate in your corp is 15%. I've heard rumors, but it may just be idle speculation, that all Goon members pay 10% to the alliance. Tax, rent, payment, bribe, etc. it's all just semantics. We dont pay billions in rent for an alliance we're supposidly allied too to ... uh... not hurt us? Corps need money, members pay the corp money so the corp can set up big PoS's and build us cap ships not so we can become meatshields to a cheating alliance and then pay them for the "honor" to do so.
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:45:00 - [56] Originally by: Muro Deez Besides, do you honestly think that your idols don't do the same thing? Maybe you missed the part about where I explain that you are the worse of the two evils. I don't idolize BoB, they are allies. Originally by: Muro Deez It's a part of the game, live with it or die. It isn't, that's the whole point. It's metagaming. Because everyone cheats, it doesn't mean cheating is part of the game. It's still cheating. Have fun cheating and winning. --- Destroying asteroids one at a time, to make the universe safer.
Muro Deez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Mortania Have fun cheating and winning. Ok I will, thanks. Have fun dying :)
SpaceMoose GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Mortania Originally by: Muro Deez Besides, do you honestly think that your idols don't do the same thing? Maybe you missed the part about where I explain that you are the worse of the two evils. I don't idolize BoB, they are allies. Originally by: Muro Deez It's a part of the game, live with it or die. It isn't, that's the whole point. It's metagaming. Because everyone cheats, it doesn't mean cheating is part of the game. It's still cheating. Have fun cheating and winning. Well guess who you have to thank for creating the metagame that is making your eve-time hell? That's right, your "allies" Holy jesus, can people seriously be this naive?
Mimedar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:50:00 - [59] Originally by: Mortania You pay rent as well. I note that the tax rate in your corp is 15%. I've heard rumors, but it may just be idle speculation, that all Goon members pay 10% to the alliance. Tax, rent, payment, bribe, etc. it's all just semantics. So rather than respond to anything I had to say, you decide to point out that I pay corporate taxes. If anyone who is a member of a corp who has a tax rate is just a pet, well I guess I'm a pet. Way to go on your posting sir. I have been defeated by your style and wit.
Misfitsa Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:52:00 - [60] Originally by: Mortania Originally by: Muro Deez Besides, do you honestly think that your idols don't do the same thing? Maybe you missed the part about where I explain that you are the worse of the two evils. I don't idolize BoB, they are allies. Originally by: Muro Deez It's a part of the game, live with it or die. It isn't, that's the whole point. It's metagaming. Because everyone cheats, it doesn't mean cheating is part of the game. It's still cheating. Have fun cheating and winning. gg next map

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