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Orgtigger
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:26:00 -
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This wasn't supposed to be under harassment this would fall more under grief play Grief play
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others' lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize or fight other players.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
I'm primarily a mission runner right now. I understand there are other aspects to the game, but for right now mission running is what I have time for. This is not longer very profitable or attractive for me. About 6 months ago I had an encounter with a lone pirate, he pwned me. I learned a lesson.I made a commitment to learn those skills that would help give me the edge. I went back to being an over-the-road truck driver and learned probably 8 months worth of skills, the minute I stopped driving and went back to school I started playing again, the effect was noticeable. I started to fly through missions that were really tough for me before. Finally the time came to leave the happy home of adbudban and seek my fortunes in lower sec space. I moved into Vard and started running missions again. Within a month I had three pirates gang up on me during the course of a mission. No big deal. learned my lesson and it was time to move on. I thought about hunting pirates and gave a hand at it but decided to wait. A week later 3 more pirates popped me in the same system. So I decided to outfit my 3rd Battleship as a pirate hunter. went looking in amamake for pirates at the tech school where they hang out to pop newbie's and lo and behold there was something like 10 pirates sitting there waiting to pop newbie's. Well the nice thing about a battleship is that it doesn't disintegrate instantly, it takes 4 or 5 seconds to chew through the 20,000 combined points of defense, and instant scrambling of my pod, priceless. I understand PvP is something you guys try to promote, but I've been playing for a year now, and my skills and having the biggest battleship are almost worthless and to get the right skillset would take a couple more years of play. And what I see isn't so much PvP as Pv3P or Pv5P or Pv10P. I'm sure I could put up a decent fight against one or two, but 10? I'd love to explore some of the content you guys have put out, but being insta-killed every time I want to go into a .4 sector is really depressing. Is there going to be any change here, or is it time to cancel my account?
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Jiyec Demora
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jiyec Demora on 14/10/2007 02:33:05
Well, despite this being a pathetic whine...
On my pirate char I get lots of good fights without big blobs because I know what I'm doing and avoid those kind of situations. If you're dumb enough to not know how to avoid big groups then cancel your account. Get some friends and fight off those people, or leave them alone. What is the problem these days with everyone hating groups of people, there is strength in numbers. Either fight back or run away, either is a pretty simple solution...
Edit: BTW, getting killed by pirates is not grief play, it's part of the game. I am amazed you have stuck around in Eve this long if you haven't figured these basics out yet. Just because the fights aren't fair doesn't mean it's "griefing"...fights should never be fair, any Eve player should know that by now
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Hannobaal
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:37:00 -
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Why would you go fight alone to begin with? Especially with something as unwieldy (and very much NOT survivable) like a battleship.
Join a corp.
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Nathomos
Minmatar Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:37:00 -
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Umm how about you join a real player corp instead of sitting in your own little 4 man alt corp before you whine that you can't solo the entire universe.
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Sixtina KL
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:38:00 -
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Amamake is a hornet's nest. Jumping into that system is a surefire way to get popped.
EVE isn't a GRINDAN GAEM. You don't beat your enemies by leveling up. You beat them by getting a bigger and/or smarter gang together and fight them. Don't try to take on 10 battleships solo; it'll never work.
So get your men together, send a shuttle through the gate to scout, and if it's clear, jump the rest of the gang and hunt all your fancy. __________________________________
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Jiyec Demora
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sixtina KL Amamake is a hornet's nest. Jumping into that system is a surefire way to get popped.
EVE isn't a GRINDAN GAEM. You don't beat your enemies by leveling up. You beat them by getting a bigger and/or smarter gang together and fight them. Don't try to take on 10 battleships solo; it'll never work.
So get your men together, send a shuttle through the gate to scout, and if it's clear, jump the rest of the gang and hunt all your fancy.
That's the point. The OP plays this MMO like a single player game and is annoyed that other people are successful when they work together.
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Sixtina KL
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:43:00 -
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Then Phantasy Star Online V1 is a better option. You can hit level 60 in about 50 hours and by then, you can serve any monster's ass back to him on a silver platter. __________________________________
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest BROTHER'S WORD
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:44:00 -
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Join a gang. Stop painting a big target on your forehead and going into vard, which is right smack in the middle of the galaxy and a favorite hunting ground for a number of pirates. Look at meeee I'm floating around alone in a big expensive ship and I don't really know what i'm doing, wheee!
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Jiyec Demora
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:45:00 -
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Peculiar lack of Hello Kitty Online links in this thread.
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Yomasophat
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:50:00 -
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Orgtigger:
I understand where you're coming from, but I would like to suggest that you'd benefit from looking at this differently.
Lots (thousands) of eve players are or have been in the position you're in, and adapted their play style, ambitions, etc. in order to fit with the reality of Eve. It's supposed to be a cruel, hostile, thankless and bitter place-- but lots of people are successful in finding ways to carve out their own space despite the hardships.
Success in this game is not (and with the skill system, can never be) complete mastery over the other players, but mastery over the risks involved in doing whatever you're doing.
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Instead of relying on t1 battleships, stick with battlecruisers and lvl 3 missions in hisec until you can fly a t2 ship. Read the forums, the threads on ship fitting, tactics, skills, etc.
Also, alliance 0.0 space is generally safer than lowsec despite what you might have heard. Get with a friendly 0.0 corp in one of the big alliances (there are LOTS of these corps), and make your living killing NPCs in a battlecruiser or BS. Join pickup pvp gangs in cheap disposable frigates while you learn the ropes.
You've followed a common path, assuming that you should go frigate, then cruiser, then BS and gradually work your way into lower and lower sec systems. As you've seen, this is a very difficult and hazardous path. However, it is not the only one, and not necesarily the most fun anyway.
Do yourself a favor and get into an 0.0 corp.
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Inamarian
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:52:00 -
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Quit whining.
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Cpt Fina
Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:57:00 -
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Vard, eh?
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Stakhanov
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.10.14 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Frug Look at meeee I'm floating around alone in a big expensive ship and I don't really know what i'm doing, wheee!
Quoted for lulz.
Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
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Ilvan
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Posted - 2007.10.14 03:00:00 -
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PVP in lowsec isn't griefing, it's the essence of EVE. This is unlikely to ever change.
So if it comes down to CCP making changes or you quitting, all I can say is... can I have your stuff?
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Myra2007
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Posted - 2007.10.14 03:39:00 -
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So, you lose out to 3 pirates two times in a row. Then you deliberately fit a "pirate hunter" (how is that different from any pvp fit?) and go to Amamake (ultimate lols at this point) and engage a 10-people blob in front of a station?
And then you proceed to say this is grief play? And you complain you don't get 1v1, 1v2 fight etc.? May i kindly ask why you decided to engage 10 pirates alone? Did you think your big bad raven will pwn them like Blood Raiders or such? Damn, if this is for real its really funny.
In that case (you being serious) i also have some advice:
Don't solo in a BS, you will get pwned and it happens to the most experienced players too, just because BS are what they are. And pick your engagements. If you think you cannot take 10 people then don't engage! Other then that get a gang and make those people pay.
And: This has *nothing* to do with harassment and its pathetic that you try to make it look like.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.14 04:03:00 -
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First off, in EVE, the mere concept of "griefing" doesn't mean diddly squat. EVERYTHING that might bring you any sort of advantage, no matter how small, and no matter how disproportionately large the other player's loss... all of that... completely intended game behaviour.
The only moment where you could marginally even begin to have a chance of calling it "griefing" would be if you see absolutely no chance of the other guy having any profit whatsoever from what he's doing. Then be immediately prepared to be hit with a counter-example, where the exact same thing DID result in the benefit of the so-called "griefer".
Bottom line, the only thing that's considered "griefing" in EVE is something that has to do with exploits or other EULA breaches (including verbal ones, like real-life threats, racial derogatory language, etc). Everything else is just normal gameplay. So... learn to deal with it. _
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.14 04:13:00 -
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You don't quite understand what griefing is. The pirates who have killed you were looking for your loot and a nice battleship killmail most likely. You assign them intent where there might have been none - you got no proof that they were out to specifically upset you as a player. If I was around with a gang and saw your battleship I would have gone for it with no intent to make you as a player feel bad, but rather to get a ransom or get lootz and a killmail. Don't equate piracy to griefing as there are only few griefers among pirates and the rest are not enjoying themselves because they just ****** someone off, but have various other motivations. Their actions as side effect cause some players to be upset over their losses. Heck even pirates themselves get upset when they lose. But majority of them are not playing with intent to specifically make you quit EVE in anger or frustration, which is what griefing is.
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Uncle Smokey
Minmatar Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.10.14 04:17:00 -
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how much time did u use writing up this joke? forgive me for not reading it.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2007.10.14 05:48:00 -
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yea i see no griefing here if you dont like getting ganked move back to high sec. not a difficult concept to grasp is it? especially if you are ging to try missioning solo in low sec why not just yell in local "hey kill me i am st00pid."
get a gang for low sec if you are going to lone wolf it move to high sec or get 30 million sp in tank, gank and support skills, get billions worth of mods and billions worth of implants get a faction pvp ship or a t2 bs and a clue how to pvp decent and maybe you can take 3 on 1, 10 on 1 keep dreaming less your fighting a bunch of rookies with no clue at all about anything.
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.14 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Orgtigger This wasn't supposed to be under harassment this would fall more under grief play Grief play And what I see isn't so much PvP as Pv3P or Pv5P or Pv10P.
No, you can't take on 10 BSs solo... Eve is an MMO, get some people to help, or simply avoid them.
You will rarely, if ever find even fights in eve, but that doesn't mean that PvP sucks, it means you need to take a look into the MM part of MMORPG.
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SEV Katarn
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Posted - 2007.10.14 06:28:00 -
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pvp isn't about getting the right skills or fitting out the right ship it's about learning and you arn't so maybe you havn't died enough in any case if you want to get into pvp find a corp that has some experianced players and leech off them don't worry they love it the suprior attitude the laughter you'll give them when you say somthing dumb it's a great situation and extremly rewarding
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.10.14 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: SEV Katarn pvp isn't about getting the right skills or fitting out the right ship it's about learning and you arn't so maybe you havn't died enough in any case if you want to get into pvp find a corp that has some experianced players and leech off them don't worry they love it the suprior attitude the laughter you'll give them when you say somthing dumb it's a great situation and extremly rewarding
Punctuation. Google it.
I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
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SEV Katarn
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Posted - 2007.10.14 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: SEV Katarn pvp isn't about getting the right skills or fitting out the right ship it's about learning and you arn't so maybe you havn't died enough in any case if you want to get into pvp find a corp that has some experianced players and leech off them don't worry they love it the suprior attitude the laughter you'll give them when you say somthing dumb it's a great situation and extremly rewarding
Punctuation. Google it.
errm you missed the point. just sit in you gramatically correct world were communication isn't as important as dots on a page
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Kessiaan
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Posted - 2007.10.14 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Orgtigger
I'd love to explore some of the content you guys have put out, but being insta-killed every time I want to go into a .4 sector is really depressing. Is there going to be any change here, or is it time to cancel my account?
I really don't get these people who get killed every time they jump into lowsec.
I'm a miner and explorer, and I spend almost all my time in lowsec and the only times I've ever gotten pirated are when I wasn't paying attention. Lowsec's really not that bad as long as you keep your wits about you - which seems to be beyond what most highsec dwellers are capable of.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.10.14 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 14/10/2007 07:04:45
Originally by: Kessiaan
Originally by: Orgtigger
I'd love to explore some of the content you guys have put out, but being insta-killed every time I want to go into a .4 sector is really depressing. Is there going to be any change here, or is it time to cancel my account?
I really don't get these people who get killed every time they jump into lowsec.
I'm a miner and explorer, and I spend almost all my time in lowsec and the only times I've ever gotten pirated are when I wasn't paying attention. Lowsec's really not that bad as long as you keep your wits about you - which seems to be beyond what most highsec dwellers are capable of.
Allow me to play devils advocate here. Just for a moment.
Consider the fact that he may well be a new player (I have no client here atm so I cannot check). How would he be able to actually find out how harsh eve is until he sees it first hand?
Granted it is a typical situation all newer guys get into and I find it very much Darwin award worthy, but, he should also ask and talk rather than coming on the forums and whining (if that is indeed what he is doing, I cannot tell really, it is well disguised).
The plain truth is that the op should if possible get into the game and learn from said mistake, it took me 3 months before I join my corp, but boy I learned a lot in that time and hell did I whine? Well, not that I am aware of anyway.
Once I joined this corp I was a noob, I realise that now, I did at the time, but by simple association with older players I learned more in such a short time than one could imagine. Now I have learned and am still learning, but I recognise dangers, that should be the direction of the op now. To learn and recognise such dangers or learn how to counter them.
Peace. <3 ThaMa.
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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.14 07:13:00 -
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If you play for a year and still didn't grasp the basic concepts of PvP, it's probably time to cancel your account. But seriously though, you engaged solo 10 ppl gang and expected what? To beat all of them into bloody pulp with your supermegauber-battleship. And who hunts pirates solo in a battleship ffs? If you want to PvP solo, take something that will allow you to pick your fights. Take an intie or an af, and wait for a lone cruiser. If you have enough ISK, get yourself a HAC, fitted for speed and lurk for targets. Or better yet, join a PvP corp and don't fly solo. Or... you can continue to engage solo gangs of 10 in battleship and whine on forums why you were beaten so badly.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.14 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Moghydin And who hunts pirates solo in a battleship ffs?
LordChaos does...but he's an exception "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.14 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 14/10/2007 07:32:05 Hi OP. I feel sorry for you and I know how you feel. Forget about the hard talks from other posters in this thread.
Well, there is nothing much you could do whenever you see multi vs solo situation. There is a reason this game is called grieVe-online. When we lose our stuffs, we feel sad but someone else will feel happy at our bereavement.
There a couple of things you could try.
1. Stay out of low and null secs. They are not for people like us.
2. Ask CCP for deadspace consensual solo or multi team arenas.
Sorry for your loss, space-friend. Fly safe next time. :) --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.14 08:03:00 -
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Unless you are part of a group of people dedicated to hunting pirates there is really no point in even considering engaging them.
The reason for this is that the game is tilted in their favor, nomatter how you do it you will never get to fight a pirate on even a remotelly level field.
The pirate is wiselly a coward hunting in packs and targeting mainly solo targets not set up for PvP.
If they meet resistance they will instantly safespot, leave or dock.
Im not saying this is a bad move by them, I meen why fight a fight where you risk somthing if you dont have to but I am saying that as a single player or a player part of a small group then you have no chance of doing anything of consequence to them.
There are and have always been successfull anti-pirate groups, however even they say its by far to easy to pirate and by comparasin too hard to hunt the pirates to justify the rewards.
Ie pirate risk vs reward ratio is out of balance.
I know pirates think posts like yourse are just pathetic whines but then they try to push for that interpritation for every post that puts piracy in the spotlight, be it constructive, a whine or other.
I would like for CCP to take a good look into piracy and balance it so that it works, then a large group of the highsec players would move out into lowsec and learn the benefits of the area like I did back when I was a new player. The main benefit in my mind of having people in lowsec is that its alot more natural to go from lowsec out into 0.0 than to go from highsec, mespecially as lowsec today is by far more dangerous than 0.0.
An atempt to get rid of the pure grief play by CCP and a going over of the game functions to get piracy into balance would make this game so much more attractive both for the non pirates and the pirates (that would get many more targets to hunt).
What I would like to see is somthing in the line of having concord protect gates and stations in 0.4, protect gates in 0.3, have faction forces (tankable but anoying) protect all in 0.4, faction protect all with good standing everywhere and all at stations in 0.3, faction protect all with good standing at gates in 0.2.
This would push the lazy gate pirates further out but still allow hunting pirates to roam the systems.
It would also give a small swath of land where the game is clearly in favor of the victim but still allow piracy. Im sure a good pirate could take out a target even with faction ships attacking but the damage caused by the faction ships may actually tip the balance for the non pirate.
As for the exact systems, I would not be against having 0.5 systems being the first in my example meening concord only protects gates and stations there while faction ships protect the rest if this also meens 0.4 and 0.3 systems get mainly faction protection.
Many things can be made but we want a solution that benefits the non pirate by giving him/her a chance and a reason and benefits the pirate by producing more targets (not easier ones).
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Sali Ennt
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Posted - 2007.10.14 08:19:00 -
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OP: Before you shout "I was wronged!" try asking yourself "What did I do wrong?"
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