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SexehGallente
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.14 04:00:00 -
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Am I the only one who has boycotted them? I skip up to the until theres a substantial gap in prices, which means I'm only paying a few thousand more isk at most. Just wanna know if I'm the only one??
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Stakhanov
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.10.14 04:07:00 -
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lol
Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
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xJohnnyDx
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.14 04:31:00 -
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The markets are a whole other world of PVP. It can be more tedious and more time consuming than many other portions of the game. I personally don't mind rewarding the person that has the will and patience to sit there checking their prices constantly. PLACE SIGNATURE HERE What?! [Insert event here] happened? Quick, start a new thread on the forums! "Moot", not "mute". |
Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.10.14 04:38:00 -
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It's pretty assinine to do this, but I realize that many people in this world have their quirks.
That's why I undercut by random, but equally insignificant amounts, essentially undermining the fellas like the OP who try to stick it to ya by "boycotting" you.
What a fun game.
Originally by: Slayton Ford a Drake is normally primaried last
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Hanoi Hana
Mitsubishi Group
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Posted - 2007.10.14 04:44:00 -
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Err... I guess you haven't figured out yet that no matter which order you choose to buy from, the person with the LOWEST price is the one you buy from. Which means that even though there's the 1 isk person selling a ship for 999 ISK and a regular person selling a ship for 1000 ISK, when you choose to buy the 1000 ISK ship you actually give 1000 ISK to the person who had the 999 ISK order... which means you still gave the 1 ISK person his money and bought his item, and you actually paid him MORE than he was asking.
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Verx Interis
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Posted - 2007.10.14 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: Verx Interis on 14/10/2007 06:29:29
Originally by: Hanoi Hana Err... I guess you haven't figured out yet that no matter which order you choose to buy from, the person with the LOWEST price is the one you buy from. Which means that even though there's the 1 isk person selling a ship for 999 ISK and a regular person selling a ship for 1000 ISK, when you choose to buy the 1000 ISK ship you actually give 1000 ISK to the person who had the 999 ISK order... which means you still gave the 1 ISK person his money and bought his item, and you actually paid him MORE than he was asking.
That makes... no sense... at all. Why can't you just buy it from the order you click on? is that so hard?
Every time I sell something I always get what was up on my order for it. I've never gotten more then my order, and I almost always try to have the lowest price because most of what I'm selling I got for free. I think if you buy the more expensive one, like the 1000 ISK one, you buy the 999 ISK one and the extra 1 ISK disappears into the ether.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.10.14 06:34:00 -
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Unless there is a really huge difference in price I tend to buy from the closest vendor even if I pay a smidgen more.. Selling though? Jita 100%
Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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J Ripper
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.14 06:35:00 -
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I always try to sell 99% of my items beating the lowest current market price
If I think it`s too cheap I hang onto it for a while.
Makes no difference to me, I get quick sales for stuff I didn`t pay for in the first place!
I watch market often and adjust prices to suit.
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Moridin920
Gallente Capital One
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Posted - 2007.10.14 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: SexehGallente Am I the only one who has boycotted them? I skip up to the until theres a substantial gap in prices, which means I'm only paying a few thousand more isk at most. Just wanna know if I'm the only one??
Why? I mean, seriously?
Does it bother you that much that they attempt to make their price seem lower by working at the subconscious of people scanning the market lists, or showing up as cheaper than their competition even if it's only by 1sk?
Why are you even bothering to boycott them? I can't imagine it can possibly bother you that much, but if it does let me worsen your shopping experiences in real life and suggest you look at prices in the real world, they are almost all like that, especially car dealerships and grocery stores.
And if one person flames me for making a real world example, I might explode. Just to try and preempt that, the real world example works in this rare case because the market in EVE is not driven by much more than the real world market, and the reason real life comparisons don't normally work is that they are comparing technologies or physics or realistic properties of the world vs the game's properties, which is silly. The market is different. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way." |
Jannet Montard
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Posted - 2007.10.14 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Verx Interis Edited by: Verx Interis on 14/10/2007 06:29:29
Originally by: Hanoi Hana Err... I guess you haven't figured out yet that no matter which order you choose to buy from, the person with the LOWEST price is the one you buy from. Which means that even though there's the 1 isk person selling a ship for 999 ISK and a regular person selling a ship for 1000 ISK, when you choose to buy the 1000 ISK ship you actually give 1000 ISK to the person who had the 999 ISK order... which means you still gave the 1 ISK person his money and bought his item, and you actually paid him MORE than he was asking.
That makes... no sense... at all. Why can't you just buy it from the order you click on? is that so hard?
Every time I sell something I always get what was up on my order for it. I've never gotten more then my order, and I almost always try to have the lowest price because most of what I'm selling I got for free. I think if you buy the more expensive one, like the 1000 ISK one, you buy the 999 ISK one and the extra 1 ISK disappears into the ether.
It is a measure against isk buyers putting a 1 unit of tritanium (or whatever you want) at 100 millions to get the isk from the selleers. As long as soneone has a normal sell order in the same station the isk buyer don't get the isk (and if you get absurd imports from a sell order, especially if they are in 100 million multiples, petition it to avoid problems).
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2007.10.14 08:09:00 -
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actually this works only for orders in different station. because when you place the order you choose station you want your thing in, and of course the price you wish to pay. so if you can find a station with lowest price that you prefer, then buy there.
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.14 08:37:00 -
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CCP should really make it possible to buy from whoever you want.
Market should include info such as who is selling and allow you to pick specific sale orders to buy from.
Ie if I choose to buy from Player X who has placed item G on the market for prize T then I should buy item G from player X at price T not from player Q who happens to offer item G for the lowest price 0.01 isk under player G.
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Ms Nomer
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Posted - 2007.10.14 08:45:00 -
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the way I see it, undercutting by 1 or .01 or whatever nominal amount is really more of a de facto gentleman's agreement. You and your competitors both like where the price is at, especially if it's selling at a reasonable rate. So instead of undercutting by massive amounts, you have decided to keep the market pvp limited, instead relying on attentiveness and willpower to babysit your orders for the longest possible period of time.
if you have the isk and resources then by all means destroy the market for profit. It's not really annoying, it's life as a trader.
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Bishman82
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.10.14 09:52:00 -
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I found out about the market always buying off the lowest order in station when i was trying to find out who was undercutting me by 1 isk all the time, i tried to buy 1 unit off him and i ended up buying off myself
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2007.10.14 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Fester Addams CCP should really make it possible to buy from whoever you want.
Market should include info such as who is selling and allow you to pick specific sale orders to buy from.
Ie if I choose to buy from Player X who has placed item G on the market for prize T then I should buy item G from player X at price T not from player Q who happens to offer item G for the lowest price 0.01 isk under player G.
I believe this is done to prevent a loophole which would effectively allow a trial account player to transfer isk. It's not gonna change.
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Ban Shui
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.10.14 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Nomer the way I see it, undercutting by 1 or .01 or whatever nominal amount is really more of a de facto gentleman's agreement. You and your competitors both like where the price is at, especially if it's selling at a reasonable rate. So instead of undercutting by massive amounts, you have decided to keep the market pvp limited, instead relying on attentiveness and willpower to babysit your orders for the longest possible period of time.
if you have the isk and resources then by all means destroy the market for profit. It's not really annoying, it's life as a trader.
That's why I like undercutting sellers and overcutting buyers.
I can watch the scrambling resulting from the market instability.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.10.14 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Fester Addams CCP should really make it possible to buy from whoever you want.
As already said: action against isk seller. I am fine with that.
If you really know someone you want to buy stuff from it contracts: item-exchange.
Can't see why CCP should change anything at all. Everything looks perfectly fine with me.
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Anson Halleck
Lost Eden
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Posted - 2007.10.14 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: SexehGallente Am I the only one who has boycotted them? I skip up to the until theres a substantial gap in prices, which means I'm only paying a few thousand more isk at most. Just wanna know if I'm the only one??
You pay more to the undercutter, cos market always buy from lowest sell order, no matter which one you click to.
So as proud 0.01/1 ISK undercutter, I thank you for giving me extra money!
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.14 10:30:00 -
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Quote: Err... I guess you haven't figured out yet that no matter which order you choose to buy from, the person with the LOWEST price is the one you buy from. Which means that even though there's the 1 isk person selling a ship for 999 ISK and a regular person selling a ship for 1000 ISK, when you choose to buy the 1000 ISK ship you actually give 1000 ISK to the person who had the 999 ISK order... which means you still gave the 1 ISK person his money and bought his item, and you actually paid him MORE than he was asking.
It's amazing how many proplr don't realise this, and end up giving more money to the undercutter, when they think they're being all clever and trying to buy off someone else...
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.10.14 10:32:00 -
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There are a few things u have to keep in mind, lowest price and psychological price are 2 examples but so is distance, if the cheapest item is like 10 jumps away from u, chances are u can sell it for more right where u are cuz sometimes people can't be bothered to travel a lot to get their item.
psychological pricing is another, if someone sells for 10 mill and u sell for 9.999.999 mill, works a little like in the supermarket where they allways sell stuff for 3.99 but almost never for nice rounded figures like 4) CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.14 10:35:00 -
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I refuse to buy from the stupid .3 isk cheaper people and usually go for the rational and round number. I'm not that hard up where i am going to try and save 5 isk
"Random Goon " - why dont you kick box me about it, after your dad has killed himself of course
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2007.10.14 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hanoi Hana Err... I guess you haven't figured out yet that no matter which order you choose to buy from, the person with the LOWEST price is the one you buy from. Which means that even though there's the 1 isk person selling a ship for 999 ISK and a regular person selling a ship for 1000 ISK, when you choose to buy the 1000 ISK ship you actually give 1000 ISK to the person who had the 999 ISK order... which means you still gave the 1 ISK person his money and bought his item, and you actually paid him MORE than he was asking.
Not if you click on the actual order you dont.
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Xander Bastalle
Gallente Bastalle Holdings
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Posted - 2007.10.14 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Hawkings
Originally by: Hanoi Hana Err... I guess you haven't figured out yet that no matter which order you choose to buy from, the person with the LOWEST price is the one you buy from. Which means that even though there's the 1 isk person selling a ship for 999 ISK and a regular person selling a ship for 1000 ISK, when you choose to buy the 1000 ISK ship you actually give 1000 ISK to the person who had the 999 ISK order... which means you still gave the 1 ISK person his money and bought his item, and you actually paid him MORE than he was asking.
Not if you click on the actual order you dont.
Yes, you do. ---------------
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Drykor
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.14 11:19:00 -
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I used to think the 1 isk undercutting was annoying too. Then I did some trading myself and found out it was actually in favour of all traders. Someone above in this post mentioned it as well. By undercutting with low amounts you make sure the price stays around the same level, if you keep shaving 1k or 10k or 100k off and do that a few times a day, the price drops drastically.
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Kel'dar Drax
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Posted - 2007.10.14 11:32:00 -
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Am I missing something here...?
The lowest price always gets the sale?
Say I am in a station in Ikao and want to buy a kestrel for sale in Motsu...I click on the Motsu station line, click on buy and get the box that tells me to confirm purchase of 1 unit of Kestrel in Motsu for x price.
I then buy the kestrel and travel to Motsu to collect.
So how can someone with a cheaper kestrel for sale at a station 15 jumps away get the isk from that purchase...or am i missing the point?
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Susan Acid
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Posted - 2007.10.14 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kel'dar Drax Am I missing something here...?
The lowest price always gets the sale?
Say I am in a station in Ikao and want to buy a kestrel for sale in Motsu...I click on the Motsu station line, click on buy and get the box that tells me to confirm purchase of 1 unit of Kestrel in Motsu for x price.
I then buy the kestrel and travel to Motsu to collect.
So how can someone with a cheaper kestrel for sale at a station 15 jumps away get the isk from that purchase...or am i missing the point?
This
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Ooyama
Caldari MindStar Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.14 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hanoi Hana Err... I guess you haven't figured out yet that no matter which order you choose to buy from, the person with the LOWEST price is the one you buy from. Which means that even though there's the 1 isk person selling a ship for 999 ISK and a regular person selling a ship for 1000 ISK, when you choose to buy the 1000 ISK ship you actually give 1000 ISK to the person who had the 999 ISK order... which means you still gave the 1 ISK person his money and bought his item, and you actually paid him MORE than he was asking.
Not quite right there mate,, did u ever check under details on a buy order?? then select the cheapest one, and where u wanna buy (etc.),, voila,, U suddenly decided where (and from whom) u bought the stuff...
Ooyama.
Originally by: Bimjo
you sir are quite right my humble apologies I shall park my navy raven in 0.0 for you to come and destroy with your ducktaped missile launcher on your shuttle
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Kyrall
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.14 11:53:00 -
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You can try to defend undercutting by 1 or 0.1 isk as it doesn't make a difference, but if you keep watching you will see that the original seller, annoyed that the large amount of isk (in commodities) they have locked into the market because of the undercutting, then goes and reduces their price, normally by a significant amount (from my experience), not by another 1 or 0.1 isk.
I have always preferred undercutting people at the same price by putting sell orders up for a shorter time, as the order with the least time remaining takes the second preference, after the lowest price. The original seller then doesn't usually notice they have been undercut and so no price war ensues.
Or you could just be patient and allow your order to sell after the current order has gone. What happened to just being nice to people?
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Dr Grot
Gallente Warrior Eclipse
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Posted - 2007.10.14 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kel'dar Drax Am I missing something here...?
The lowest price always gets the sale?
Say I am in a station in Ikao and want to buy a kestrel for sale in Motsu...I click on the Motsu station line, click on buy and get the box that tells me to confirm purchase of 1 unit of Kestrel in Motsu for x price.
I then buy the kestrel and travel to Motsu to collect.
So how can someone with a cheaper kestrel for sale at a station 15 jumps away get the isk from that purchase...or am i missing the point?
Your not missing anything mate. The guy you bought the Kessie from in Motsu gets the ISK.
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.10.14 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: SexehGallente Am I the only one who has boycotted them? I skip up to the until theres a substantial gap in prices, which means I'm only paying a few thousand more isk at most. Just wanna know if I'm the only one??
Enough ppl who DO buy so i dont care --- Free exotic dancers for mods that mod my sig
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