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Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:53:00 -
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Hi!
I'm planning to make a high-sec pos for some blueprint copy work, and I have some questions.
Please answer me if you can, thank you guys.
What is the biggest standing system where you can anchor a high-sec POS? My plan is to set it up in 0.7 or 0.8 system.
Is it neccesary to set up defense systems in my POS in high sec, or if some1 shoot it, the concord kill em asap?
How usual to be wardecced by others if they see my POS, if im just playing alone (so i'm in a one-man corp) and do some silent copying, and not make any troubles? :)
Around how much is the monthly cost of a high-sec labratory POS?
Thank you, cheers :) |
Salcon Cliff
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:09:00 -
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You can look around for more detailed answers, but: - 0.7 is maximum sec level with POS - Concord will defend your tower except during war - You are unlikely to be dec'd (unless you make an ass out of yourself). - If you are just doing a little copying, use a small tower and no defenses. If you are war dec'd, you have 24 hours to take it down. - only set up the tower in a system with an NPC station, that way you can leave the BPOs in the station and use the POS for the copying. - I have not run the fuel numbers in a while, but I suspect that a small tower is still just under 100 mil per month, but may be off a bit. |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:12:00 -
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Hi Cliff! Thanks for the answers. So you dont need to bring the BPO-s to the POS at all, just bring out the finished bpc-s from the POS? That is awesome :)
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Arana Mirelin
Te'Rava Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:25:00 -
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Aubrey Addams wrote:Hi Cliff! Thanks for the answers. So you dont need to bring the BPO-s to the POS at all, just bring out the finished bpc-s from the POS? That is awesome :)
Correct. If you ever anchor anything in low sec, you really want to do this. any labs in low sec with no stations are strongly believed to be pinatas full of tasty loot.
I have had a POS in 0.5 sec space for about 5 months now, doing invention. I'll disagree about the previous one on reasons for getting wardecced. Sometimes, it's the other guy who wants to be the ass. I have been wardecced once, taken down the POS (which caused the dec to be retracted almost immediately), found a better empty moon, put it back up, and have been running along. Only wish I had been part of an alliance to make the dec a larger waste.
I run a medium tower, and it's about 200M / month, so I expect that a small would be about 100M. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
109
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:15:00 -
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Also, in case Aubrey is your main, bear in mind that you cannot setup a POS while in an NPC corp. |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:29:00 -
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In case you don't know yet, you will need +5 standing to a faction to set up POS in 0.5 system owned by that faction. +6 for 0.6 system, +7 for 0.7. This should be the average between corp members so you may need to exit from corp everyone who contribute low standings.
also try to avoid systems that have more than ~90% moons occupied since it means some people may want your moon and dec you. this is less likely if there are plenty of other free moons nearby.
Some more tips -
caldari towers have the most CPU which means they can fit the most laboratories. in case you won't set up the defences, that's what you will probably want.
there are 2 laboratory types - advanced and regular one. regular has more invention and material/productivity time research slots than Advanced, which is only good for copying. keep that in mind while selecting the setup...
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Arana Mirelin
Te'Rava Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:43:00 -
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Mnengli Noiliffe wrote: there are 2 laboratory types - advanced and regular one. regular has more invention and material/productivity time research slots than Advanced, which is only good for copying. keep that in mind while selecting the setup...
There are actually 4, but only 3 of use to the OP, and one of those is quite rare. There's the experimental lab, which is only T3, and the hyasyoda lab, which I have never seen any of in-game, although I know they're out there. Otherwise I agree-ish. I've been the last moon occupied in both systems I've been in, but I'm willing to take that risk. Some of the others have no defenses, so I expect they will be of more interest to start with. |
Nekopyat
Nee-Co
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:51:00 -
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Aubrey Addams wrote: How usual to be wardecced by others if they see my POS, if im just playing alone (so i'm in a one-man corp) and do some silent copying, and not make any troubles? :)
It would probably be a good idea to set up some defenses, otherwise people will dec you just to get your modules.
More importantly, if you are playing solo and have a POS up, be careful to log in every day. A while back I could not log in for a weekend and returned to find myself wardecced and my tower destroyed. Not being a **** is not enough, and staying away from populated systems will not do it. Small corps are easy pickings and modules are worth more then the wardec fee. |
Zifrian
Deep Space Innovations
194
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:38:00 -
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I didn't see any wardecs until I set up in a 0.5 system. After I moved, I still didn't see any. It makes sense, the 'easy' way is to do the least amount possible and that means Faction standings of 5.0 not 6 or 7. I suggest going with 7 for the least amount of competition.
Other thoughts: - if you aren't using the tower, you can leave it off but remove your modules first. People will wardec you for 2 hours and cancel just to destroy your stuff - make sure you have your corp set up so that you or your alt is the only one in it or they have 0 faction standings. It sucks to learn you took down a tower and cant put it up because that one newbie mission you did with your alt cuts your faction standings in half. Just prepare for that - don't start thinking your tower is 'free' to run because you do pi old something else. Copies cost isk and probably more than you think
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Lili Lu
149
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:14:00 -
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Arana Mirelin wrote:Aubrey Addams wrote:Hi Cliff! Thanks for the answers. So you dont need to bring the BPO-s to the POS at all, just bring out the finished bpc-s from the POS? That is awesome :)
Correct. If you ever anchor anything in low sec, you really want to do this. any labs in low sec with no stations are strongly believed to be pinatas full of tasty loot. Aubrey, the awsomeness requires you to have trained the skill- Scientific Networking 1, however. |
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:39:00 -
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Small POS fuels costs are about 4 million a day (maybe less one fuel prices settle).
Be sure to check out the cost of renting an office first - in some popular systems with not many stations the office rental costs can be sky high. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1273
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Posted - 2012.01.25 01:56:00 -
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Arana Mirelin wrote:Mnengli Noiliffe wrote: there are 2 laboratory types - advanced and regular one. regular has more invention and material/productivity time research slots than Advanced, which is only good for copying. keep that in mind while selecting the setup...
There are actually 4, but only 3 of use to the OP, and one of those is quite rare. There's the experimental lab, which is only T3, and the hyasyoda lab, which I have never seen any of in-game, although I know they're out there. Otherwise I agree-ish. I've been the last moon occupied in both systems I've been in, but I'm willing to take that risk. Some of the others have no defenses, so I expect they will be of more interest to start with.
Hyasoda Labs come out of one branch of the Caldari Epic arc. They're usually ~200m Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
638
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:21:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:Small POS fuels costs are about 4 million a day (maybe less one fuel prices settle).
Over the summer, it was about 330-350M per 30 days for a large tower, going up to more like 400M to 420M per 30d. Today, if you build the blocks from the raw materials, the cost is 370-410M (and Gallente at 515M). Small towers are now exactly 1/4 of the large tower's cost per month (instead of roughly 1/3 the cost of a large).
So roughly 3.3-3.5M per day at the moment for a small tower if you make your own fuel pellets.
Amarr: 94 / 187 / 371 - 12894 ISK/u Caldari: 99 / 195 / 388 - 13476 ISK/u Gallente: 130 / 258 / 514 - 17863 ISK/u Minmatar: 104 / 206 / 411 - 14257 ISK/u
(Fuel block prices of 19-21k per unit won't last. The underlying component prices mean that they only cost 13-15k to make right now.) |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
638
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Posted - 2012.01.25 02:23:00 -
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Nekopyat wrote: More importantly, if you are playing solo and have a POS up, be careful to log in every day. A while back I could not log in for a weekend and returned to find myself wardecced and my tower destroyed. Not being a **** is not enough, and staying away from populated systems will not do it. Small corps are easy pickings and modules are worth more then the wardec fee.
EVEMon is pretty much a must-have for this situation. That way you can have it check for "notifications" on a regular basis and alert you. |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.25 11:40:00 -
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Thank you for answers guys.
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zoni Ishikela
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.26 11:56:00 -
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Couple of other thoughts:
- try not to pick a system with high regular traffic, high ganking or a gateway system to lo-sec - dotlan will give you a good idea - it's stated above that having an NPC station office lets you keep your BPOs safe, you can do ME or PE research on BPOs and they will return them to the office corp hangar when done, however copies get delivered to the lab's corp hangar so you have to get them from there - pick your lab type carefully as the type affects the research speed bonuses you get - the calendar now tells you when the POS will run out of fuel (brilliant) - in high-sec, outside of the faction specific fuel block type, you also need to have charters (these are available to purchase at any faction loyatly store) which also get consumed every day - making your own fuel can be difficult, especially with the recent changes to PI, but is by far the cheapest to operate a POS - if you solo this, as you max out your skills, you'll still only be able to run 10 jobs concurrently per alt, so no need to have more lab slots than you can handle, although as of the latest patch (crucible 1.1), power usage doesn't increase fuel usage
Hope this helps,
Z.
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Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:00:00 -
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zoni Ishikela wrote:Couple of other thoughts:
- try not to pick a system with high regular traffic, high ganking or a gateway system to lo-sec - dotlan will give you a good idea - it's stated above that having an NPC station office lets you keep your BPOs safe, you can do ME or PE research on BPOs and they will return them to the office corp hangar when done, however copies get delivered to the lab's corp hangar so you have to get them from there - pick your lab type carefully as the type affects the research speed bonuses you get - the calendar now tells you when the POS will run out of fuel (brilliant) - in high-sec, outside of the faction specific fuel block type, you also need to have charters (these are available to purchase at any faction loyatly store) which also get consumed every day - making your own fuel can be difficult, especially with the recent changes to PI, but is by far the cheapest to operate a POS - if you solo this, as you max out your skills, you'll still only be able to run 10 jobs concurrently per alt, so no need to have more lab slots than you can handle, although as of the latest patch (crucible 1.1), power usage doesn't increase fuel usage
Hope this helps,
Z.
thanks, i have only one question:
so i need to make a 1man corp (thats ok), but i have to rent an office in the system's npc station where my pos is, so then i'll get a corp hangar? |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
292
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:52:00 -
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Aubrey Addams wrote:zoni Ishikela wrote:Couple of other thoughts:
- try not to pick a system with high regular traffic, high ganking or a gateway system to lo-sec - dotlan will give you a good idea - it's stated above that having an NPC station office lets you keep your BPOs safe, you can do ME or PE research on BPOs and they will return them to the office corp hangar when done, however copies get delivered to the lab's corp hangar so you have to get them from there - pick your lab type carefully as the type affects the research speed bonuses you get - the calendar now tells you when the POS will run out of fuel (brilliant) - in high-sec, outside of the faction specific fuel block type, you also need to have charters (these are available to purchase at any faction loyatly store) which also get consumed every day - making your own fuel can be difficult, especially with the recent changes to PI, but is by far the cheapest to operate a POS - if you solo this, as you max out your skills, you'll still only be able to run 10 jobs concurrently per alt, so no need to have more lab slots than you can handle, although as of the latest patch (crucible 1.1), power usage doesn't increase fuel usage
Hope this helps,
Z.
thanks, i have only one question: so i need to make a 1man corp (thats ok), but i have to rent an office in the system's npc station where my pos is, so then i'll get a corp hangar?
Correct. It isn't expensive if you pick a less busy system. A few million a month.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
646
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Posted - 2012.01.26 13:41:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote: Correct. It isn't expensive if you pick a less busy system. A few million a month.
In the quieter regions, offices which are 5+ million per month are considered pricey. I know of quite a few systems where the rentals are below 500k per month.
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Duck Mouth
Nebula Mining and Manufacturing
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:30:00 -
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Do you need standings AND a charter, or just one or the other? |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:44:00 -
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Standings to anchor. Charters (1 per hour) as fuel, in addition to the fuel blocks FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities. |
Calladad
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:00:00 -
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can you also research your BPOs in the pos from the safety of a high sec station or is it only copying? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:02:00 -
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You should never be putting a BPO into a POS, if there is a station in the same system. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities. |
Jacob Lyon Chieve
Sanguis Mortem Industrial
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:45:00 -
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Just to further the explanation on BPO's along, if someone could correct/verify the following - it would be appreciated.
It is my understanding that when the BPO is present in the Corporate Hangar, in the safety of an NPC Station (same system only?) you can access your POS (again, same system) for research, remotely. This allows the BPO to stay safe, while the research itself is done at the POS in an available slot... WITHOUT having to ever move the BPO there.
The BPO stays put, the copies appear at the POS after being run... and manufacturing of products is best done... where?
I am new to POS... hell, new to the game (3 months now) so just trying to plan out my next purchase plan so I can continue growing my abilities and assets. |
Calladad
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:49:00 -
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from what Steve writes, production via a pos should also be possible with the BPO in the station.
And hey, been playing this game for 5 years and still havent figured it out..lol |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
648
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:56:00 -
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Calladad wrote:can you also research your BPOs in the pos from the safety of a high sec station or is it only copying?
Yes, assuming you have things setup correctly.
Pre-req for keeping your BPOs safely in the NPC station: - You must have a corporate office rented. - Same system as where the POS tower is. - Rented by the same corp who owns the POS tower. - BPO is kept in the appropriate corporate hangar division in the NPC station. - You must have access to withdraw/deposit funds from a corporate wallet division (same division as where the BPO is kept)
ME/PE research - BPO stays in station, but vanishes during the duration of the job. If the job is cancelled, BPO gets returned to the corporate hangar. When the job is completed, BPO gets returned to the same tab it started from in the corporate hangar. Since ME/PE produces zero output at the labs, you can use ME/PE slots of another corporation's labs in the same player alliance. Any consumable items (like "Research Reports") have to be placed out at the array and preclude the ability to do cross-corporation research on those BPOs.
Copies - BPO stays in corporate hangar in station, but the resulting copies will show up out at the mobile lab structure (in the appropriate tab). Due to permissions, you must be a member of the owner corp in order to retrieve your BPCs from the labs later. Which generally means you can't do cross-corporation copy jobs in an alliance situation.
Invention - BPO stays in station, but datacores, interfaces and any other consumables like meta modules have to be out at the mobile lab in the proper corp division tab. The results of the invention job (T2 BPCs) are created in the mobile labs, just like the copy process, which means you need appropriate corporation roles to retrieve the results. |
ioannis
Alia Squad
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:02:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Calladad wrote:can you also research your BPOs in the pos from the safety of a high sec station or is it only copying? Invention - BPO stays in station, but datacores, interfaces and any other consumables like meta modules have to be out at the mobile lab in the proper corp division tab. The results of the invention job (T2 BPCs) are created in the mobile labs, just like the copy process, which means you need appropriate corporation roles to retrieve the results.
blueprint copys used in invention not BPO and the copys must be at the lab as well |
Calladad
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:14:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Calladad wrote:can you also research your BPOs in the pos from the safety of a high sec station or is it only copying? Production - Generally only used in hi-sec in cases where local manuf slots at the NPC stations are unavailable. But if you must manufacture at a POS array, it works similar to invention. The BPO stays in the station's corp hangar tab, any consumed items need to be hauled out to the assembly array. Output appears in the assembly array in the chosen tab.
well, pos production is faster right? |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
648
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:21:00 -
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ioannis wrote:blueprint copys used in invention not BPO and the copys must be at the lab as well
T1 BPCs used to invent from can also be kept at the station hangar. Even though they get consumed they count as a "blueprint" so they can sit in the station.
(Same applies to the T2 BPCs used in the manufacturing step. They can stay at the station and just the ingredients have to be out at the assembly array.)
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
648
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:25:00 -
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Calladad wrote:well, pos production is faster right?
Most assembly arrays have a 0.75 time multiplier, so yes it's faster. Depends whether you want to dedicate some of your CPU budget towards assembly arrays rather then churning out more copies / research / invention jobs using lab arrays. Copy/ME slots are harder to find in hi-sec without a lengthy wait time, while manuf slots in quieter regions are generally zero-wait.
There's also the additional logistical effort of constantly (every few days) moving new raw materials out to the lab and bringing the finished goods back to the station.
(I do about half and half. There are a few select items that I build at an assembly array, but the big bulky stuff gets built in a nearby station slot. The jEVEAssets "stockpile" tool is invaluable for keeping the assembly array stocked with the right mix of raw materials.) |
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