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mlove
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.15 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: mlove on 15/10/2007 18:14:20
Originally by: Ladel Teravada Edited by: Ladel Teravada on 15/10/2007 07:59:30 Out of personal curiosity.. Will this mean that Cyrene fleets will traverse Caldari space?
Why do you ask? We will go where the enemy is, and if thats Caldari space then so be it.
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Davion Vrynn
Caldari Tsurokigaarai APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.15 18:16:00 -
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The APEX Conglomerate will be happy to respond to any claims of inpropriety on our part as soon as any such claims are actually presented.
In the mean-time, we will protect our business interests from this thinly-disguised act of piracy that appears to be transparent to all of GalNet but CYI themselves.
If CYI has a true gripe with the Conglomerate (and is not simply looking for an outlet for blatant aggression), they are urged to at least seek the negotiating table first before resorting to the distasteful use of force.
I would like to remind everyone that before the business with the Acheron Federation, we attempted to address our grievances beforehand, but our overtures were rebuffed. Surely Cyrene is not so bloodthirsty as to not attempt peaceful resolution to their problems.
Be aware that APEX will use whatever resources at our disposal that we deem necessary to protect our business interests. We await your diplomatic envoys or your guns, whichever you choose to throw at us first. ----
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Naphtalia
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.10.15 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: mlove Why do you ask? We will go where the enemy is, and if thats Caldari space then so be it.
Ooooh.. so Federal ships of the Line, entering State space to wage war on a Caldari Corporation..
This will get interesting...
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.10.15 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Crausaum We are engaging in this war because of the APEX Conglomerates part in interfering with a Federal investigation and their prolonging of the RISE crisis. In addition the possibility that they are continuing such operations on other fronts unknown to us causes us great concern.
Perhaps I am reading your previous statements wrong, but the actions they are taking to "prolong the RISE crisis" are....interdicting Serpentis drug shipments? That seems rather shaky ground to stand on, Crausaum. This sounds very much like a corrupt and ineffective Federal law enforcement unit is being shown up by private security concerns, and as a result are trying to protect their own interests to the detriment of those they are supposed to be protecting. Perhaps it would be more useful for Federal authorities to cooperate more with capsuleer entities in these matters instead of taking an adversarial position, if they truly wish to end this "crisis."
Originally by: Crausaum Their previous refusals to stay out of the Placid region after their nature as a military force became clear in the Acheron/APEX war made it clear to us that only the application of force would cause the APEX conglomerate to reevaluate their policies.
As far as I know, Apex's involvement with the Placid region has always been in partnership with local entities, such as your former alliancemates Placid Reborn. In addition, I can assure you that the Apex Conglomerate is definitely not a military force; at best they are an industrial concern with a formalized security arm, much the same as any of the Caldari megacorporations. I'm aware of no Federation restrictions on the operations of foreign corporations within Placid, so long as they obey the local laws.
Originally by: Crausaum As to our public display of classified Federal documents I can only speak personally and say that I care little for the crimes that the Federation administration deigns to hide from its own citizens. I can also say that I am glad that this infraction against the peoples of Placid came to light and that we are able to act on this information, to a limited degree.
Truly, if these are the biggest crimes to be perpetrated against the Federation and the people of Placid in your eyes -- the interception of drug traffic which you yourself say contributes to a law enforcement crisis and which appears to be slipping through the grasp of Federal law enforcement authorities with suspicious ease -- then it seems that the Federation government has truly become a worse joke than even the squabbling tribes of the Republic. If anything, the crime here is that the Federation people are being kept in the dark about how corrupt and concerned with its own self-perpetuation their government has become, to the point where the President Foirtain's regime is willing to actively sabotage efforts to build diplomatic ties between the State and the Federation, as well as the good of Federation citizens, in order to keep their own pockets full of graft and bribery.
If anything, it would seem that the Initiative would be better off cooperating with the Apex Conglomerate and getting to the root of the problem, that being the Serpentis smuggling and why the Federal customs authorities seem to be letting so many of these shipments slip through. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.15 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Naphtalia
Originally by: mlove Why do you ask? We will go where the enemy is, and if thats Caldari space then so be it.
Ooooh.. so Federal ships of the Line, entering State space to wage war on a Caldari Corporation..
This will get interesting...
As interesting it got when CAIN and APEX vessels entered Gallente Federation space to wage war against a Gallente alliance (Acheron Federation).
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Demetri Slavic
Caldari APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.15 18:33:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Originally by: Naphtalia
Originally by: mlove Why do you ask? We will go where the enemy is, and if thats Caldari space then so be it.
Ooooh.. so Federal ships of the Line, entering State space to wage war on a Caldari Corporation..
This will get interesting...
As interesting it got when CAIN and APEX vessels entered Gallente Federation space to wage war against a Gallente alliance (Acheron Federation).
This comparison is way off base. AF were supplying Terrorists within Caldari Space with weapons and other supplies. APEX was shooting down and intercepting serpentis drug shipments so that they would not reach the Intaki people.
A slight difference, is it not? _____________________________________
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.15 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Demetri Slavic
This comparison is way off base. AF were supplying Terrorists within Caldari Space with weapons and other supplies. APEX was shooting down and intercepting serpentis drug shipments so that they would not reach the Intaki people.
A slight difference, is it not?
There is no comparison made by me. As you can clearly see, i am pointing out how interesting it will be, by reminding that the same thing has happened in the recent past. Only the roles were reversed.
And by the way i saw APEX vessels only once in the whole series of operations against the Serpentis drug dealers. In which operation, you were clearly spreading propaganda and foul words towards the Federation. To the point were Illoren were forced to tell you that they are trying to help the people of Placid and not promote any political agenda, to your corpmates displeasure.
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Irias Salo
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.10.15 18:55:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
And by the way i saw APEX vessels only once in the whole series of operations against the Serpentis drug dealers. In which operation, you were clearly spreading propaganda and foul words towards the Federation. To the point were Illoren were forced to tell you that they are trying to help the people of Placid and not promote any political agenda, to your corpmates displeasure.
Due to a recent request to declare war on the Cyrene Initiative, indefence of APEX, the council are currently discusing to accept or not. Before a final decision is made all that has happened is being brought forth. Could it be possible that a copy of the transcript regarding the above qouted is sent to the ATTC?

Originally by: Ginger. There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.15 19:24:00 -
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To me, CYI's logic fails miserably in one glaring aspect of their arguement. If they are so troubled by APEX's involvment with stopping AF supply the terrorists State space, then why did they only declare war upon one entity that was activly participating in that?
Are they too afraid of CAIN and thier para-military forces? APEX's security forces are well trained and well skilled, but we are primarily a for-profit organization that has large branches of industry and trade.
Maybe they are picking on what they perceive as the weaker target?
Maybe they hope to catch the non-combatants for easy kills of vengence?
Hmmmm....
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Crausaum
Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.15 19:39:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Crausaum on 15/10/2007 19:42:35
Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet Text removed for simplicity
Ms. Scarlet, I can see your points and understand your logic. As CAIN were not directly involved however the facts you are basing you logic on are not fully informed.
To remedy this I shall give you some more information about the RISE crisis in Placid.
RISE is a new and impossibly addictive drug that has recently entered into production by the Serpentis Syndicate. The Serpentis drug ring began by smuggling small shipments of drugs into the Placid region by using small frigate class vessels but eventually they grew more ambitious and decided to use carrier class vessels to smuggle in enough of the drug to flood the region.
During this entire period local capsuleer groups did their best to intercept the shipments, Illoren and APEX were part of this group.
Unbeknown to many there was a massive Federal Customs investigation running in parallel of these operations and Federal authorities were doing their utmost to collect evidence against the head of the drug ring.
When we finally learned of the federal investigation underway we were shocked to learn that the Illoren had not been passing evidence gained from the shipment interceptions to Federal authorities as was what they had indicated to many they were doing. Rather than immediately discontinuing operations with the Illoren certain key pilots in the cupsuleer forces began collecting evidence of the Illorn groups involvement in the case and began to pass details onto agents of both the Federal Intelligence and Customs offices that were now involved in the case.
Acting on a tip from the Federal Intelligence Office combined capsuleer forces were able to intercept and capture a Serpentis carrier laden with RISE and piloted by none other than the leader of the drug ring himself.
With the arrest of the Serpentis drug ring and impounding of the Serpentis carrier also came the arrest of the Illoren group for their part in hindering the investigation of the drug ring. The Illoren were later publicly exiled from the Federation and with the RISE drug ring destroyed the case seemed to go cold after this.
It is only thanks to the leaking of this report that we have been given a chance to see how deep this case ran and what the Illoren's true reasons for their actions were as well as the groups that played party to hindering the investigation.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.15 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora To me, CYI's logic fails miserably in one glaring aspect of their arguement. If they are so troubled by APEX's involvment with stopping AF supply the terrorists State space, then why did they only declare war upon one entity that was activly participating in that?
I would suggest to try and comprehend, what was said in regard to that conflict and how it relates to this one.
Naphtalia was expressing her anticipation on how interesting it will get having Federation loyalist ships traveling in Caldari space, fighting Caldari corporation vessels.
I said that the same thing with reversed roles happened during the war between APEX/CAIN and AF, implying that nothing that exciting will happen as far as Caldari CEP is concerned.
I hope this was clear now.
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John Tanashima
Caldari Ekchuah Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.10.15 19:58:00 -
[42]
So, if I understand correctly, you are starting a war against APEX for the crime of ôassisting the non forwarding of private information to the federal customsöà
Federal law must be harsher then I was taught in comparative politicsà The non forwarding of data by proxy must be one of the unforgivable crimes.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.15 20:01:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Verone on 15/10/2007 20:02:31
Crausaum, is it accurate to say that pilots from the Cyrene Initiative will be actively tracking and pursuing members of APEX Conglomerate, given that in this case Cyrene is the agressor?
Or will Cyrene take a more passive role, hoping that APEX decide to respond to the agression?

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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.10.15 20:03:00 -
[44]
Did anyone at all not see this coming? Cyrene's transparent hostility following the Acheron Federation affair made this end next to inevitable. And I once thought Cyrene might be serious about peace between the empires.
Good hunting, APEX. Send these aggressors' crews to whatever hell awaits them, and their pilots to contemplate their error in Federal cloning bays.
Yes, this is my personal opinion. Yes, I'm bitterly partisan, and no, this isn't an official Omerta position.
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Davion Vrynn
Caldari Tsurokigaarai APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.15 20:32:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Davion Vrynn on 15/10/2007 20:32:44
Originally by: Irias Salo Due to a recent request to declare war on the Cyrene Initiative, to the aid of APEX, the council are currently discusing to accept or not. Before a final decision is made all that has happened is being brought forth. Could it be possible that a copy of the transcript regarding the above qoute is sent to the ATTC?
EDIT: As requested by APEX, wording of this communicate has had the sentence "Due to a recent request to declare war on the Cyrene Initiative, indefence of APEX, the council are currently discusing to accept or not" changed. With "indefence" to "to the aid".
For further clarification, at this time APEX has not officially requested aid from any outside organizations. The request referred to by Dr. Salo came from some other source. ----
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.10.15 20:50:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Crausaum
Ms. Scarlet, I can see your points and understand your logic. As CAIN were not directly involved however the facts you are basing you logic on are not fully informed.
To remedy this I shall give you some more information about the RISE crisis in Placid.
<text deleted for brevity>
According to your description of events, most of your grievances appear to be against this group Illoren, who I am unfamiliar with. The only mention you make of Apex in your description of events is when you mention that they were cooperating with "local capsuleer groups" to stop the supply of drugs coming into the Federation. This doesn't appear to shed any light on why you are going to war with Apex and not anyone else involved in these activities, especially this Illoren group.
I fully admit that the Reserve has not been closely monitoring activities in Placid for some time, but so far, efforts by the Cyrene Initiative to shed some light on the matter have done little to clear things up. For all intents and purposes, this continues to look like a coverup of Federal corruption and incompetence by the Initiative, making Apex a scapegoat for problems that you cannot or will not deal with. It would be incredibly inadvisable for you to escalate tensions between our two nations in this matter, and I urge you to reconsider your declaration and find an alternative method of resolving this dispute. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
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Admiral Derooy
Caldari Caldari Special Operations Division APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.15 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Crausaum In light of recent evidence that has been secured by The Cyrene Initiative through a source inside the Federation administration and through documents dead dropped to us we have decided to pursue a war upon the APEX Conglomerate for their actions in the Placid region and their abuses of trust.
Attempts to manipulate the residents of Placid into becoming the pawns of the Caldari State will not be tolerated. Evidence provided to us implicates the APEX Conglomerate as being party to a subversion of Federation justice in a cynical attempt to use the plight of the peoples of Placid to further the goals of the State.
Furthermore their past declaration of war against the Acheron Federation shows they will hide behind any excuse in order further the States goals of covertly attacking the Federation.
As such we intend commit war against the APEX Conglomerate until such time they no longer pose a threat to the peoples of the Federation or will act against Federation interests.
A short section of the documents that motivated Cyrene to adopt this stance are attached below
Quote: Federal Intelligence Office
CLASSIFIED JULY 25, 109
MEMORANDUM FOR MR. SOURO FOIRITAN PRESIDENTIAL BRANCH
Subject: Anti-Federal Operations
Enclosed for your consideration are papers prepared in response to your memorandum of July 22. These papers contain a complete listing of all ongoing and recent anti-Federation actions taken by groups inside Federation space and surrounding regions.
Apaset Orviegnoure Acting FIO Chairman
Enclosred: Papers on anti-Federal actions.
CLASSIFIED Downgraded at 15 year intervals; not automatically declassified.
Your message is nothing less then a open provocation of the caldari state and the people living within it, the reasons you have brought forth have little to no evidence to it to support your argumentation.
The CSOD shall respond accordingly to this provocation.
Communiques concerning this matter have been forwarded to the federal navy.
Admiral Thomas Nathaniel Derooy Admiral of the fleet CSOD

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DarkNicodimus
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:07:00 -
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It is utterly amazing how quick Apex has asked for help. It is even more amazing how you are also trying to spin this into a Gallante VS caldari. The war hasnt even become active yet. How sad.
Our points have been made they are directed at Apex only.Its is funny how Mr Usagi and other Apex members showed nothing but disrespected to us during the Acheron conflict. Yes during that time we were engaging you in dialogue only to have you spit in our faces. Did we war dec you then? No we took your insults. But this information cannot be ignored and will not be dismissed.
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Demetri Slavic
Caldari APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:20:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Demetri Slavic on 16/10/2007 04:20:13
Originally by: Davion Vrynn
At this time APEX has not officially requested aid from any outside organizations. This is the reason for our request for an edit to Dr. Salo. The request referred to by him came from an outside source.
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Davion Vrynn
Caldari Tsurokigaarai APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.16 04:31:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Davion Vrynn on 16/10/2007 04:36:37
Originally by: DarkNicodimus It is utterly amazing how quick Apex has asked for help.
At what point, sir, did we ask for help?
Please double-check your neocom logs before making such accusations. We wouldn't want you to look foolish.
Be aware, however, that should we ask for help in the future, we would be quite warranted in doing so. Keep in mind that while APEX maintains a security contingent to guard our interests, we are not paramilitaries, and should this war cut too far into our profit margins, we will take whatever steps necessary to ensure that it ceases. ----
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.16 08:07:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Thuul''Khalat on 16/10/2007 08:07:42
We will be neutrally monitoring the situation for now. But should the situation call for it, we will assist CYI in whatever way neccessary. ---
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Booken Blue
Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.16 09:53:00 -
[52]
Intel suggest it wont be necessary, but we'd like to thank you for your offer.
As always, we'll try to keep this war as clean as humanly possible.
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Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.10.16 10:29:00 -
[53]
Originally by: DarkNicodimus It is utterly amazing how quick Apex has asked for help. It is even more amazing how you are also trying to spin this into a Gallante VS caldari. The war hasnt even become active yet. How sad.
This remark has been passed to Caldari intelligence agencies for analysis. It would appear that in the heat of the moment you have let drop critical information about an impending Gallente attack upon the Caldari State. When were you Gallente going to issue a formal Declaration of War? Or were you going to perpetrate yet another sneak attack before the formal war declaration? That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |

Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:06:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Roy Gordon
Originally by: DarkNicodimus It is utterly amazing how quick Apex has asked for help. It is even more amazing how you are also trying to spin this into a Gallante VS caldari. The war hasnt even become active yet. How sad.
This remark has been passed to Caldari intelligence agencies for analysis. It would appear that in the heat of the moment you have let drop critical information about an impending Gallente attack upon the Caldari State. When were you Gallente going to issue a formal Declaration of War? Or were you going to perpetrate yet another sneak attack before the formal war declaration?
Mr DarkNicodimus was referring to the war between APEX and CYI, which at that time wasn't active yet (the 24 hour warning period haven't come to an end yet).
I am saddened by the blatant attempt to spin this to a non existent level Mr Gordon.
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Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.10.16 13:04:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Originally by: Roy Gordon
Originally by: DarkNicodimus It is utterly amazing how quick Apex has asked for help. It is even more amazing how you are also trying to spin this into a Gallante VS caldari. The war hasnt even become active yet. How sad.
This remark has been passed to Caldari intelligence agencies for analysis. It would appear that in the heat of the moment you have let drop critical information about an impending Gallente attack upon the Caldari State. When were you Gallente going to issue a formal Declaration of War? Or were you going to perpetrate yet another sneak attack before the formal war declaration?
Mr DarkNicodimus was referring to the war between APEX and CYI, which at that time wasn't active yet (the 24 hour warning period haven't come to an end yet).
I am saddened by the blatant attempt to spin this to a non existent level Mr Gordon.
This is the very reason why I passed this information onto the relevant intelligence agencies, to clear up any ambiguity. If it proves that the remarks were taken in the context of the CYI/APEX conflict, they you will of course receive my apology. That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |

DarkNicodimus
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:45:00 -
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Gordon that is truly a new level of reading into things. I will now spell things out at a primary level to help others from making your mistake. ---
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Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.10.17 08:35:00 -
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Well, I have been advised to treat your earlier statement with some caution, especially in light of your incursion into Caldari State space yesterday evening. That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |

Davion Vrynn
Caldari Tsurokigaarai APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.17 20:53:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Davion Vrynn on 17/10/2007 20:54:41

As tensions are threatening to erupt into full scale war, some questions have been raised regarding APEXÆs relative silence on the accusations presented by CYI and the recent threatened escalations to the conflict.
Point 1 û The charges against us Until now, we have felt that these charges, which are obviously based on assumptions and radically circumstancial evidence, were a mere excuse to declare war. We feel that if CYI (as supposed proponents of truth and justice) truly had a problem with our actions in Placid, that they would have brought them up before now, and sought to seek out the negotiating table before resorting to force. It appears obvious to us that they have no desire for peace and that this declaration is nothing but warmongering.
In subsequent discussions on GalNet, however, a point has finally been raised that we consider a reasonable charge: accounts of APEX pilots firing on Federation customs officials. We will be conducting an investigation into these claims, and will deliver more information as we gather it. However, before making a complete response on this issue, we would like to see these referenced eyewitness accounts along with any ôblack boxö recordings so that we can identify the pilots in question and ascertain what happened.
Point 2 û Escalations in the conflict With Duty preparing to enter the fray, many are now preparing their own guns and many more have questioned whether APEX was behind this entry.
The answer to this is not entirely simple. Due to CYIÆs numerical superiority in combat pilots and status as a paramilitary organization, APEX did indeed contact Duty regarding the possibility of hiring their forces to supplement our own numbers to bring us to an even footing, but made no final decision on this matter, preferring to wait and see if the action was warranted.
Duty apparently felt compelled to intervene of their own accord and initiative, and sent us a message in consideration, notifying us that they would be doing so.
However, even with this entry, Cyrene still possesses a numerical advantage, and we are understandably confused that CYI is feeling threatened by the addition of only a handful of pilots, albeit skilled ones, to the conflict. We can only assume that CYI was hoping to pick on a smaller, non-paramilitary organization and was not prepared to handle a fair fight.
Declaration of intent APEX still maintains that this conflict can be resolved peaceably and hopes that CYI will prove willing to act as reasonable human beings and step up to the bargaining table. As always, APEX supports the ideals of peaceful trade and co-existence between the empires and are happy to attempt to work out any issues another organization may have with us in a manner much less distasteful than combat.
However, APEX is not afraid to fight, and with the attitude being heard from our aggressors, we fear that hope for a diplomatic solution from these warmongers masquerading as guardians of liberty is thin. We are prepared to defend our assets and our space with any resources at our disposal that we deem necessary.
To the leaders of the Initiative, we implore you to see reason and avoid prosecuting a conflict that threatens to engulf the capsuleer communities of both of our nations. If you will not, then we will see you on the battlefield.
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.10.17 22:01:00 -
[59]
Shut up and fight already.
Taxman III: Attack of the Blob
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Dax Bandar
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.18 02:35:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Davion Vrynn
However, even with this entry, Cyrene still possesses a numerical advantage, and we are understandably confused that CYI is feeling threatenedby the addition of only a handful of pilots, albeit skilled ones, to the conflict. We can only assume that CYI was hoping to pick on a smaller, non-paramilitary organization and was not prepared to handle a fair fight.
We're not feeling threatened, but thanks for caring. 
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Shut up and fight already.
Already doing so.
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