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Joahna Gramer
Deep Space Supplies Care Factor
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:38:00 -
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Best. Change. Ever. Hated to hoover over from my numpad to the keyboard just to put in the friggin dot. |
Pierced Brosmen
Priory Of The Lemon
28
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:40:00 -
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Realy? Awesome, been hoping for that to change ever since I started playing |
Drapko Nitzhonot
Abdera Logistics
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:19:00 -
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It seems they have changed to English input. I was using . from numpad and now I have to go to the keyboard to find ,
Too bad!!! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
883
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:21:00 -
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This should probably be dictated by the localization settings you choose, and European should be distinct from American in this regard. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Drapko Nitzhonot
Abdera Logistics
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:26:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:This should probably be dictated by the localization settings you choose, and European should be distinct from American in this regard.
Where can I select localization? I only see "Language" in settings and I have English. |
Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
184
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:28:00 -
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Stealth indication of decline in American subscribers. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
883
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:36:00 -
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Drapko Nitzhonot wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:This should probably be dictated by the localization settings you choose, and European should be distinct from American in this regard. Where can I select localization? I only see "Language" in settings and I have English.
Localization basically equals your language settings, and affects a number of little things about how your information is displayed.
I didn't mean to infer that this was a choice currently available to the players, it was more intended to reflect changes that could/should be considered for future tweaks to the various localization options. Not everything should be presented the same way under the blanket choice of English.
Some things are handled differently in America... I believe the use of , or . in numbers is one of them.
Not really a huge deal either way, just something to consider when there is time. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Drapko Nitzhonot
Abdera Logistics
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:11:00 -
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Thanks for explanation Ranger 1.
I hope there will be anything to choose between . and , representation. I almost put something to buy with 100x times higher than higher buy price |
Reicine Ceer
Rodents of Unusual Size
12
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:20:00 -
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Would just like to point out here that grammatically, using a comma to separate numbers from percentages of numbers is wrong.
For example:
-ú150.50 is one hundred and fifty pounds, and fifty pence. The 'period' sign here signifies that the numbers following it are a percentage of the whole numbers - -ú0.50 being half of -ú1!
Using a comma in the same example gives you a totally different number.
European and American systems would imply that the above number is in fact -ú15050 - fifteen thousand and fifty pounds - and even then, the comma should be between the first 5 and 0, as such; -ú15,050 -- this is how multiples of thousands are separated.
Sorry to be all Grammar **** on you, but to someone who was taught to do things correctly, this bastardisation of the numbering system grates bigtime. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
332
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:20:00 -
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America nerf, nooooooo!!
Edit: CCCP hates freedom! |
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Joahna Gramer
Deep Space Supplies Care Factor
4
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:27:00 -
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Reicine Ceer wrote:Would just like to point out here that grammatically, using a comma to separate numbers from percentages of numbers is wrong.
For example:
-ú150.50 is one hundred and fifty pounds, and fifty pence. The 'period' sign here signifies that the numbers following it are a percentage of the whole numbers - -ú0.50 being half of -ú1!
Using a comma in the same example gives you a totally different number.
European and American systems would imply that the above number is in fact -ú15050 - fifteen thousand and fifty pounds - and even then, the comma should be between the first 5 and 0, as such; -ú15,050 -- this is how multiples of thousands are separated.
Sorry to be all Grammar **** on you, but to someone who was taught to do things correctly, this bastardisation of the numbering system grates bigtime.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but what you say is only true for America and England. In most of Europe they use the comma to seperate between them.
Quote:In English, the comma is used as a thousands separator (and the period as a decimal separator), to make large numbers easier to read. So write the size of Alaska as 571,951 square miles instead of 571951 square miles. In Continental Europe the opposite is true, periods are used to separate large numbers and the comma is used for decimals. Finally, the International Systems of Units (SI) recommends that a space should be used to separate groups of three digits, and both the comma and the period should be used only to denote decimals, like $13 200,50 (the comma part is a messGǪ I know). Source |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
284
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:28:00 -
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This is not working quite as it should.
My numpad "," is putting out the exact same "," as the main keyboard one, yet only the main keyboard "," is accepted. Same key on the numpad is ignored.
This fail cost me (luckily, only) about 4 million ISK in order setup fees and the sell order ended up Slightly Overpriced.
-10 rep to CCP.
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Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
209
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:55:00 -
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Now that I think about it, I'd be surprised if this hasn't actually been a preference derived from localization settings all along. I think users in anywhere but the US would kind of notice a period not separating ordinal groups. Change "Tracking Disruptors" to "Weapon Disruptors" (to include missiles) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61502 |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
884
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:05:00 -
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Joahna Gramer wrote:Reicine Ceer wrote:Would just like to point out here that grammatically, using a comma to separate numbers from percentages of numbers is wrong.
For example:
-ú150.50 is one hundred and fifty pounds, and fifty pence. The 'period' sign here signifies that the numbers following it are a percentage of the whole numbers - -ú0.50 being half of -ú1!
Using a comma in the same example gives you a totally different number.
European and American systems would imply that the above number is in fact -ú15050 - fifteen thousand and fifty pounds - and even then, the comma should be between the first 5 and 0, as such; -ú15,050 -- this is how multiples of thousands are separated.
Sorry to be all Grammar **** on you, but to someone who was taught to do things correctly, this bastardisation of the numbering system grates bigtime. Sorry to dissapoint you, but what you say is only true for America and England. In most of Europe they use the comma to seperate between them. Quote:In English, the comma is used as a thousands separator (and the period as a decimal separator), to make large numbers easier to read. So write the size of Alaska as 571,951 square miles instead of 571951 square miles. In Continental Europe the opposite is true, periods are used to separate large numbers and the comma is used for decimals. Finally, the International Systems of Units (SI) recommends that a space should be used to separate groups of three digits, and both the comma and the period should be used only to denote decimals, like $13 200,50 (the comma part is a messGǪ I know). Source
Thank you, this is what I was trying to get at in my clumsy way.
Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
stoicfaux
681
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:05:00 -
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Dirk Magnum wrote:Stealth indication of decline in American subscribers.
Does China use ',' or '.'?
edit: Crap. They use "S¦¥" for the decimal point.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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FeralShadow
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
47
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:10:00 -
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obviously the devs are terrorists! OH NOES! (i'm joking btw) |
Lady Ayeipsia
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Cascade Imminent
27
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:31:00 -
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Iceland uses the comma, so the devs were just going with what is natural for themselves. |
Reicine Ceer
Rodents of Unusual Size
13
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:47:00 -
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Joahna Gramer wrote:Sorry to dissapoint you, but what you say is only true for America and England. In most of Europe they use the comma to seperate between them. Quote:In English, the comma is used as a thousands separator (and the period as a decimal separator), to make large numbers easier to read. So write the size of Alaska as 571,951 square miles instead of 571951 square miles. In Continental Europe the opposite is true, periods are used to separate large numbers and the comma is used for decimals. Finally, the International Systems of Units (SI) recommends that a space should be used to separate groups of three digits, and both the comma and the period should be used only to denote decimals, like $13 200,50 (the comma part is a messGǪ I know). Source
My grammatical point still stands. Just because people do something doesn't mean it's in any way, shape, or form, correct. If a period is used to separate sentences in text, and a comma is used to allow a pause in a sentence, then mathematically these two symbols should in any right-thinking world be used in the exact same context.
The excerpt from dailywritingtips.com is simply aping what people 'do'. Whilst a vast majority of people may be doing it this way, it implies that their math is all horribly wrong (economic crises anyone?). Of course, language is a fluid and beautiful thing - new ways and old ways of speaking and using words occur every day, but - getting back to the topic here - grammatically, the way the likes of the Icelanders use commas and periods in displaying numbers is undeniably and horribly backwards, and just because people got taught wrong doesn't mean it should stay that way :P
"grammatik macht frei", etc |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
2949
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:08:00 -
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Dirk Magnum wrote:Stealth indication of decline in American subscribers.
I r confused?
and I have to agree that , and ` are superior numeration dividers because either of which contains very little mathmatical value where as the . which translates into division function in all sorts of math which isnt fun every time I see it and my math side kicks in instead of remaining in reading mode.
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Zoloft Rx
Forged Prophets
0
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:12:00 -
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In my client, fractions of isk are indicated by a period. I am looking at the client now. The format is: 1,000.00
Perhaps the client is localized for each of us. |
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Cierejai
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:53:00 -
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Joahna Gramer wrote:Best. Change. Ever. Hated to hoover over from my numpad to the keyboard just to put in the friggin dot.
The dot is between the 0 and Enter key.
???
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
892
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:12:00 -
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Reicine Ceer wrote:Joahna Gramer wrote:Sorry to dissapoint you, but what you say is only true for America and England. In most of Europe they use the comma to seperate between them. Quote:In English, the comma is used as a thousands separator (and the period as a decimal separator), to make large numbers easier to read. So write the size of Alaska as 571,951 square miles instead of 571951 square miles. In Continental Europe the opposite is true, periods are used to separate large numbers and the comma is used for decimals. Finally, the International Systems of Units (SI) recommends that a space should be used to separate groups of three digits, and both the comma and the period should be used only to denote decimals, like $13 200,50 (the comma part is a messGǪ I know). Source My grammatical point still stands. Just because people do something doesn't mean it's in any way, shape, or form, correct. If a period is used to separate sentences in text, and a comma is used to allow a pause in a sentence, then mathematically these two symbols should in any right-thinking world be used in the exact same context. The excerpt from dailywritingtips.com is simply aping what people 'do'. Whilst a vast majority of people may be doing it this way, it implies that their math is all horribly wrong (economic crises anyone?). Of course, language is a fluid and beautiful thing - new ways and old ways of speaking and using words occur every day, but - getting back to the topic here - grammatically, the way the likes of the Icelanders use commas and periods in displaying numbers is undeniably and horribly backwards, and just because people got taught wrong doesn't mean it should stay that way :P "grammatik macht frei", etc
While to us that makes perfect sense, a large portion of the worlds population thinks differently.
Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
25
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:41:00 -
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I wish you eurofags will learn to speak American.
Now CCP git meh ma dotz back or I reckon i gonna git dem back merself! |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
264
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:47:00 -
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We Americans may be stupid to neglect the metric system but we got it oh so right by using periods to indicate fractions of whole number.
e.g.
1,000.00 = One thousand isk = Correct 1.000,00 = Just r3tarded
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
Flios Bror
Persnickety Pilots
0
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Posted - 2012.01.25 21:12:00 -
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I've submitted a bugreport [126281] about this since it wasn't in the patch notes.
I suspect Eve is now using the locale of the OS. |
Is That Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:22:00 -
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Hate the change ... need to move my hand all over the keyboard to type the ',' now.
To correct those above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark (check the globe image as well there) |
ASadOldGit
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:42:00 -
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This shouldn't be something the user ever sets (per software).
All software should be reading the users' "Region and Language" settings (for Win 7, in this case) to get the users' date and time formats, decimal symbols, digit grouping symbols, etc.
That's the whole point of localisation - the developer doesn't have to guess what the user wants - they just read the O/S, which they can rightly assume the user has set up in advance, to be used in all their software.
My container is NOT imploding! It's just a bit upset that it only sees cheap crap. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
841
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:59:00 -
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WRONG WRONG WRONG A period is correct. Trust me, Australia knows its stuff.
Besides, in scientific notation I believe that even Europeans used a period. Well, Wikipedia mentions nothing about commas. Probably because no one cares. 3.4 * 10^32
'Grammatically' it also makes sense, as a period is used to separate two different 'ideas', if you will, while a comma is a continuation of the same thing.
If read like a sentence:
$12,726.21 Twelve thousand, seven hundred and twenty-six dollars. *STOP* and twenty-one cents.
$12.726,21 Twelve. *STOP* Seven hundred and twenty-six and twenty-one. (WTF?) |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
297
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Posted - 2012.01.25 23:04:00 -
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This is a lame conversation... so lame in fact I think this may very well be the most boring conversation in the entire history of the interwebz. Periods vs commas? You guys are dorks. All GëíGêçGëí Ships | GëíGêçGëí - sñÜpüÅpü«sÑçsªÖpü¬péópéñpâåpâá | <-- Links to ShowInfo in-game
FX7 - No Tax... No Rules... No Problem |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
206
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Posted - 2012.01.25 23:12:00 -
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Reicine Ceer wrote:Joahna Gramer wrote:Sorry to dissapoint you, but what you say is only true for America and England. In most of Europe they use the comma to seperate between them. Quote:In English, the comma is used as a thousands separator (and the period as a decimal separator), to make large numbers easier to read. So write the size of Alaska as 571,951 square miles instead of 571951 square miles. In Continental Europe the opposite is true, periods are used to separate large numbers and the comma is used for decimals. Finally, the International Systems of Units (SI) recommends that a space should be used to separate groups of three digits, and both the comma and the period should be used only to denote decimals, like $13 200,50 (the comma part is a messGǪ I know). Source My grammatical point still stands. Just because people do something doesn't mean it's in any way, shape, or form, correct. If a period is used to separate sentences in text, and a comma is used to allow a pause in a sentence, then mathematically these two symbols should in any right-thinking world be used in the exact same context. The excerpt from dailywritingtips.com is simply aping what people 'do'. Whilst a vast majority of people may be doing it this way, it implies that their math is all horribly wrong (economic crises anyone?). Of course, language is a fluid and beautiful thing - new ways and old ways of speaking and using words occur every day, but - getting back to the topic here - grammatically, the way the likes of the Icelanders use commas and periods in displaying numbers is undeniably and horribly backwards, and just because people got taught wrong doesn't mean it should stay that way :P "grammatik macht frei", etc
All your snobbish babble crashes against one single point: periods and commas are not grammatical symbols when used in numbers. |
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