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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2007.10.18 01:54:00 -
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It's a very simple request.
Please please please leave Javelin Torpedos with 60km range.
Please?
Even if its 60km with every missile skill to 5 thats okay.
But please leave at least some way to use torpedoes for PvE and missions.
I know thats not how the game is upposed to be balanced but c'mon.
Atm Jav HAM's have more range.
Please?
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Vaklash
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Posted - 2007.10.18 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: fkingfurious
WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
I know thats not how the game is upposed to be balanced but c'mon.
Please?
Adapt.
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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2007.10.18 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: fkingfurious on 18/10/2007 02:10:25 How does get ****** sound?
Adapting is all well and good. As soon as i saw the way the wind was blowing, i sold my faction launchers, rejigged my setup to allow fitting for Tech2 launchers instead, found a way of adapting my tank to get a target painter in, all the stuff i knew i would have to do if there was to be nay hope of using torps for PvE.
But with Javelin range down to 40km there isnt.
None at all.
EDIT: And no response the ridiculous situation of a close range cruiser class weapon ( HAM ) outranging a close range BS weapon ( torp).
How is that right?
No way to make them work.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.18 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: Kuzya Morozov on 18/10/2007 02:12:32
Originally by: fkingfurious Edited by: fkingfurious on 18/10/2007 02:10:25 How does get ****** sound?
Adapting is all well and good. As soon as i saw the way the wind was blowing, i sold my faction launchers, rejigged my setup to allow fitting for Tech2 launchers instead, found a way of adapting my tank to get a target painter in, all the stuff i knew i would have to do if there was to be nay hope of using torps for PvE.
But with Javelin range down to 40km there isnt.
None at all.
EDIT: And no response the ridiculous situation of a close range cruiser class weapon ( HAM ) outranging a close range BS weapon ( torp).
How is that right?
No way to make them work.
you
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Phil Miller
Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.18 02:18:00 -
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All the missiles need to get their flight time / speed adjusted, there are too many inconsistencies.
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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2007.10.18 02:20:00 -
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LOL.
Yup, I admit it, I use missiles for running missions.
Specifically, i use torpedos, well, USED torpedoes.
Along with probably 90% of the rest of the Eve population.
But now you cant.
At all.
ATM even velocity/flight time rigs arent affecting torps.
So adapting means, in this instance, switching to cruise. Which stink for PvE, and so this is an outright nerf to missiles in PvE.
And STILL noone seems to care that Jav HAM's outrange JAV torps.
You talk about balance, if theres gonan be some semblance of balance either jav torps hit 60-70km or Jav HAM's get nerfed down to about 35km, and Jav rockets down to about 5km.
And does it not bother anyone that such a drastic reduction on even the long range ammo means that a torp raven now HAS to fight dangerously close to all those proper close range ships like blasterthrons, hypes, pest, phoons, geddons, abaddons, basically all those ships that if they can get their mits on a Raven will eat it for breakfast?
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2007.10.18 02:54:00 -
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I thought the point was to MAKE it a proper short range ship.
If torps suck so bad... might as well train another race.
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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2007.10.18 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail I thought the point was to MAKE it a proper short range ship.
If torps suck so bad... might as well train another race.
Torps were never the ( main ) problem with a close rnage raven.
The problem was its high mass, low top speed, shield tanking conflicting with the MWD, painter, web and scram most people would like to have fitted, and the fact that fitting 6 siege launchers on a raven knackers its grid and cpu.
They havent fixed any of that.
A Raven at close range is still gonna get munched.
Seriously, 90% of all torpedo use has gotta be PvE.
And for the most part noone cared about that. A torpedo change has been so far from everyones mind that this total " Revamp " seems like a futile waste of effort, and just generally making life hard for people.
It hasnt fixed much with regards to torpedos in pvp.
It has thouroughly ruined them in PvE.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.18 03:16:00 -
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This thread delivers! Whining that is.
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Hardtail
Red Dawn Empire Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.18 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: fkingfurious LOL.
Yup, I admit it, I use missiles for running missions.
Specifically, i use torpedos, well, USED torpedoes.
Along with probably 90% of the rest of the Eve population.
But now you cant.
At all.
ATM even velocity/flight time rigs arent affecting torps.
So adapting means, in this instance, switching to cruise. Which stink for PvE, and so this is an outright nerf to missiles in PvE.
And STILL noone seems to care that Jav HAM's outrange JAV torps.
You talk about balance, if theres gonan be some semblance of balance either jav torps hit 60-70km or Jav HAM's get nerfed down to about 35km, and Jav rockets down to about 5km.
And does it not bother anyone that such a drastic reduction on even the long range ammo means that a torp raven now HAS to fight dangerously close to all those proper close range ships like blasterthrons, hypes, pest, phoons, geddons, abaddons, basically all those ships that if they can get their mits on a Raven will eat it for breakfast?
you do realize you're getting a 33% ROF increase along with the said distance readjustment?
stop whining
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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2007.10.18 03:23:00 -
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Well duh.
Yes, 33% DPS.
Which isnt enough to cover all the other shortfalls a close range raven is going to have.
And my OP was specifically towards PvE, and more specifically missions and Deadspace plexs.
They could have a 5000% DPS increase for all the difference it would make, because the range is now too short to use them.
End of story.
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NoNah
Unseen University
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Posted - 2007.10.18 03:39:00 -
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Uhm, no.
Compare your new Raven with for example a Mega.
Raven got bonuses for 2 weapon types, Cruise and torp. Mega got bonuses for 2 weapon types, blaster and rail.
Cruise and rail is long range, less damage. Blaster is short range, high damage.
Prior to this change, torp has been long range, high damage. With this change torp are mediocre range, very high damage.
Blasters have a range of 11km with Null, torps have 40km. (Fall off will make the diminish the damage, thus it doesn't really apply.)
Torps will still work for pve, but I will give you that there needs to be more modules affecting them. First and most importantly, ew to counter them, but also something to aid them hitting smaller and distant targets, comparable to tracking computers.
Having that said, the extreme damages torps will be dealing after the patch, makes 30-40km look a bit long.
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Nerogk Shorn
Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.18 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: fkingfurious Well duh.
Yes, 33% DPS.
Which isnt enough to cover all the other shortfalls a close range raven is going to have.
And my OP was specifically towards PvE, and more specifically missions and Deadspace plexs.
They could have a 5000% DPS increase for all the difference it would make, because the range is now too short to use them.
End of story.
No. Not end of story. They are better for pvp now, which is where the raven wasn't that great at before. Besides cruise missiles are better for PVE anyway. They may take longer for some bs's but they are better for cruisers tbh, with a better rof too. It's a boost. Celebrate.
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Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr Heretic Army Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.18 05:14:00 -
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Edited by: Bardi MecAuldnis on 18/10/2007 05:14:45
Originally by: NoNah ...but also something to aid them hitting smaller and distant targets, comparable to tracking computers...
Ask and thou shalt receive. Behold, the Target Painter!!
Edit: I just noticed the "distant" thing... I have failed you... --- Amarr/Caldari, and proud of it.
Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!! |
Silence Duegood
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Posted - 2007.10.18 05:43:00 -
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Kendar
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.18 06:16:00 -
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mabye the new mission ship will get a torp range bonus.. ever thought about that?
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Compendium
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Posted - 2007.10.18 08:01:00 -
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You can put cruise missile launchers on the raven if you don't like torpedoes anymore. The world is not ending. I fly a nighthawk for level 4s though. |
larf1986
Yakuza Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.18 08:08:00 -
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Whine, Whine, Whine. Running Lvl4s with cruise is easier anyway enough dps to kill anything and better tank.
The torp buffs are one of the best things to happen to caldari since sliced bread.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Isseras Manufacture
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Posted - 2007.10.18 09:57:00 -
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As a matter of fact...the simple fact that "everyone" used torpedoes in PvE says something about their overpoweredness. "nerfing" them a bit makes Cruise and other weapons become quite more valuable. It's what I like about EVE. There's no "one right way" but many.
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.18 10:12:00 -
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Damn it would be sweet to be able to PVE with blasters......
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Riho
Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.10.18 10:52:00 -
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can u even make money off missions when u use jav torps ? :P
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.18 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: fkingfurious It's a very simple request.
Please please please leave Javelin Torpedos with 60km range.
Please?
Even if its 60km with every missile skill to 5 thats okay.
But please leave at least some way to use torpedoes for PvE and missions.
I know thats not how the game is upposed to be balanced but c'mon.
Atm Jav HAM's have more range.
Please?
No. We've been spoilt because torps did have such a long range, despite it being the next stage in the fast-but-short-range missile family. We have had it extra, mistakenly.
We have now lost that free ability.
It's like finding cookies on 2 for the price of 1 - you buy two packs, but you don't complain when they remove the offer.
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DarkXenon
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: DarkXenon on 18/10/2007 11:59:55 So 40km range with upto 1000dps, no tracking, no cap use is not enough for you!
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achoura
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:11:00 -
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If your torps get 60km i demand my neutrons get the same 60km.
Srsly, get a grip.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: fkingfurious
Please please please leave Javelin Torpedos with 60km range.
Sure. But in return, I want to be able to do full damage up to 50km with my large blasters.
Deal?
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Monticore D'Muertos
Caldari United Society Starfleet Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:04:00 -
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i love how people say missile always hit , no tracking needed. i assume these people have never used missile in pvp before explosion velocity, explosions radius, general velocity will affect dmg of missile , i like to see how you take down a nano gang using torps/hams/rockets.
after the mwd/target painter/web/scram you get an awesome 2 slot tank, and good luck armor tanking a raven fitted with 6x siege.
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Morrigu Storm
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:20:00 -
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Use cruise like some ppl who for a few years have been sneered at by professional mission runners do !
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Fuazzole
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:21:00 -
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how i wish I could use blasters in missions.
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Arvald
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:38:00 -
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eh i never liked the raven for pve anyways, too boring i prefer the armageddon or somthing like that --------------------------- ALL HAIL TO THE TECHNOVIKING |
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