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fugimi
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:34:00 -
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This is not the first time i have seen this type of activity in eve and i have reported it once before and i dont realy remember if i got a reply then or not but...
today while checking contracts i saw lots of fresh contracts selling a single ammo for hundreds of millions isk each.
those OVER HUNDRED contracts which most of them were created today all within an hour, were almost all accepted right after creation by a a dozen or more characters, all from swa (at least all the ones i checked). and by doing so they all moved large amount of isk to that centeral hub char which is named "Financial Department"
i have petitioned it under Rules & Policies / EULA & Terms of Service Twice, telling about this char, the contracts he made, and his contract history of over a hundred contracts all similar to what i described, all accepted by a dozen or more characters.
my petitions although gave the visual feedback of being sent does not appear to exist for some reason. maybe its delay i donno but until now i did not get a response and dont see them in petition history.
lets see if you could help answering a few questions that arise from all of this.
1: why would a character named "Financial Department" create hundred os these contracts ?
2: why would dozens swa characters accept those right after creation ?
3: why the 2 petitions i made about it seem to never existed ? (could be a delay and time will tell)
4: can it be this is a part of isk selling network and perhaps a part of a big loundry machine that trying to cover tracks between farmering chars to isk selling chars ?
5: could it be that ccp dismiss those activities as being perfectly legal scam contracts and nothing more, or maybe dont realy care about it anyway ?
lets get to the buttom of this shall we...
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Barbaro55a
Caldari Os Lobos
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: fugimi lets get to the buttom of this shall we...
No, i'm content in my ignorance.
Originally by: ISD Valorem If someone has hurt you out of game then please talk to family, friends or Police (if necessary)
Kind regards
Valorem
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Robinete Broadhead
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Robinete Broadhead on 18/10/2007 14:44:52 Financial Department
Interesting character, one month old, only one agent, nobby corp and has millions of ISK you say..
Nope nothing unusal here.
PS how do you see who takes the contract?
Yes, I am an ALT in a NOOB Corp.
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fugimi
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: fugimi on 18/10/2007 14:48:40
Originally by: Robinete Broadhead Financial Department
Interesting character, one month old, only one agent, nobby corp and has millions of ISK you say..
Nope nothing unusal here.
its not millions its dozens of billions those "over hundred" contracts r all somewhere between dozens of millions to hundred of millions to close to a billion each.
Edit: you can see who take the contracts by simple showing contract history on the char "Financial department" and opening each of the contracts in the list
if all of those dozens chars r indeed part of a farming fleet and they wanted to send isk to their "centeral bank char" why dont use normal isk transfer ? O.o why do they coordinate so many contracts and accept them all to move isk in parts using all sort of different sizes. some of those characters accepting multiple of those contracts each. that seem like so much work just to move legal isk.
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Barbaro55a
Caldari Os Lobos
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:47:00 -
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Towards the bottom left of someones bio, button that lefts you see their previous contracts ( i think) good for spotting time waisters.
Yes my spelling suks.
Originally by: ISD Valorem If someone has hurt you out of game then please talk to family, friends or Police (if necessary)
Kind regards
Valorem
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:49:00 -
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PETITION A LOT If I was on EVE I'd do the same. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
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Making stuff
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:15:00 -
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Ah yes, ISK laundering 101.
You cant send isk to other players in the billions because it looks suspicious. Contracts aer a way to hide the suspicion.. you cant say they are famers, because maybe those 100 people who accepted the contracts actaulyl wanted to buy the ammo at that super high price.
CCP 0, Isk Farmers 1.
And I suspect that CCP cant do anything about it either because it is a legit game mechanic.
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Haleuth
Amarr White-Noise
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:16:00 -
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You'll achieve more if you pass the details onto voogru rather than petitioning it I'm afraid.
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Arvald
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 18/10/2007 15:22:16
Originally by: Making stuff Ah yes, ISK laundering 101.
You cant send isk to other players in the billions because it looks suspicious. Contracts aer a way to hide the suspicion.. you cant say they are famers, because maybe those 100 people who accepted the contracts actaulyl wanted to buy the ammo at that super high price.
CCP 0, Isk Farmers 1.
And I suspect that CCP cant do anything about it either because it is a legit game mechanic.
seeing as how its in the EULA that its prety much ccp's account so they can do wahtever the hell they want to it, i dont see why they can jsut slap em with teh banzord --------------------------- ALL HAIL TO THE TECHNOVIKING |
Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 18/10/2007 15:37:26 Step1: Create Alt character named "Financal department" in the same noob corp as the "Financial department" character.
Step2: Set up in the same station as the "Financial department" character and offer the exact same contracts he/she is
Step3: PROFIT!!!
Step4: Laugh all the way to the bank at the stupid ISK sellers, and the morons that buy from them.
Alternate Step4: Report all the character names that fell for your "sting" to the GM's, and THEN laugh all the way to the bank.
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Tau Ceti Global Production Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:42:00 -
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Somepeople do have alts that are for selling stuff in Empire because their Main cannot enter empire.....
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2007.10.18 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave Somepeople do have alts that are for selling stuff in Empire because their Main cannot enter empire.....
You're joking right?
If you're not... *swooosh*
/Ki
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.10.18 16:28:00 -
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Still, contract traffic at a scale he's describing is borderline abuse.
Real or not, CCP should know. Petition it. -
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.10.18 16:32:00 -
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There is 3-5 lowsec systems all chained together, few times a week in the early hours of the morning, its little Jita with 98% of the haulers china farmers/ISK laundering NPC chars all using the market, to "wash" there isk, few times I've been there, there are probably about 40-60 in local.
Its probably been going on for months, under the radar of CCP, but yet no one does anything.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.10.18 17:15:00 -
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to the op,
U sir are to be applauded for ur investigative patience.
I hope u get them banned if they are indeed doing something illegal and keep us informed, impo this thread was rather entertaining to read. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.18 17:54:00 -
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There are "buyers" there paying over 300M for a single unit of a light missile. Of course they are all rich pilots just wanting to buy cheap ammo...
As well as some of the "buyers" have been accepting auctions for over a year paying 50M+ for every unit of ammo they bid on, that sounds right... right?
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General Apocalypse
Amarr Ship Research
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:02:00 -
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There are 2 possibilities
1. The most probable would be isk selling
2. Contracts are also a ye old way to wash black ops cash bypassing internal security detection . Hilly skilled black ops officer are not allowed to work for non corp interest but the need for cash prevails some times . A black ops contract can rage from a 500 M payment to 50 B . But the payment is done in small chunks so the wallet logs of the alts doesn't attract unneeded attention .
Originally by: CCP Morpheus nerf ccp plz
Originally by: CCP Oveur To the gankmobile!
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Financ1al Department
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:10:00 -
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Lets see if they fall for this one heh
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ZeroMbutCannotJump
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:15:00 -
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Here is my contribution. I painstakingly went through all the already accepted contacts I could find and made an excel spreadsheet. Tons of contracts are up and waiting for more reverse transfers to occur. I noticed the names for the most part follow a similar convention. Two words, first is capital and second is not. Random nouns, sometimes with a strange adjective thrown in. All sound weird and very "babel fish Asian" like. I opened convo with one and pasted some romanized Chinese. He replied within 10 seconds with some complicated stuff...no idea what it means.
Anyways, here is the list:
Name / Age / Corp / ISK "donated"
scene obtains ....16dSWA120 Appropriately shows ....16dSWA50 Swims across ....16dSWA70 Diligent me ....20dSWA160 Bans entire ....20dSWA110 Evaluation because ....20dSWA70 Makes you ....30dSWA230 Financial department ....1m 1dPTS Excessive you ....1m 2dSWA110 Increases Uniform ....1m 3dSWA245 Machine cat ....1m 3dSWA200 Machine cat ....1m 3dSWA200 may read .... 1m 3dSWA126 Punishes pulls ....1m 3dSWA30 Chest cavity ....1m 3dSWA199 granulated substance ....1m 3dSWA260 Right seizes ....1m 3dSWA140 Expanded eye ....1m 3dSWA120 recompenses ....1m 3dSWA90 Greatly happy .... 1m 3dSWA580 Cartridge case ....1m 3dSWA100 Opens pleasure ....1m 3dSWA100 Opens pleasure ....1m 3dSWA100 Assembly hall ....1m 3dSWA102 Origin you ....1m 3dSWA78 Practices divination ....1m 3dSWA140 Geography law ....1m 3dSWA175 Resists stubbornly ....1m 3dSWA292 Thinks every ....1m 3dSWA199 Sigh magnetism ....1m 3dSWA120 has you ....1m 3dSWA100 Publication ....1m 3dSWA100 Military person ....1m 3dSWA270 Doublet smoke ....1m 3dSWA200 Law net ....1m 3dSWA113 Pleasure place ....1m 3dSWA50 pressure energy ....1m 3dSWA140 Regardless minute ....1m 3dSWA89 Unimpeded ....1m 3dSWA105 Micrometer calipers ....1m 3dSWA200 Sikong race ....1m 3dSWA200
Sorry for the horrible formating. Anyways, who knows how much these people have actually made and sold (Only CCP, if they wanted)... this could be only one of their transaction methods...and only one of their "nodes."
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:16:00 -
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I have seen the same thing done on the market. When you see people buying 50 mil isk industrial haulers on a large scale, you know something is up.
Putting up contracts though makes it public knowledge of both parties involved. Go get em CCP
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SengH
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.18 18:29:00 -
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if you wanna see something really suspcious
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=84993
hai guys im a 1 month old noob who suddenly has the isk to buy 20billion isk worth of skillbooks and move it in a shuttle.
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Sarkkon
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Posted - 2007.10.18 19:16:00 -
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yeah.. this is how they launder ISK. Another thing to take serious notice of is the 18-30 macro makinaws in all high sec ICE belts running 23/7. ISK sellers now have almost ALL empire ice mined and stashed away. ICE is rapidly climbing to 120k per unit. Belts have less them a month life left... then no more empire ice.. period. NPC reseach slots now all seem back logged at least 3 -6 months on slots. We are looking at the death of player owned emprie research stations. Once ice is gone from empire i am sure macro's will shove fuel down our throats at 1000x normal prices. they WANT to sell ISK and runaway inflation and mopolization of resources is the way they do it. Over the last 5 years i have watched them kill off 5 diffrent online games with same tactics. And the game devs fall for it the same way.. restrict and remove the items that are becomeing glutted. Speeding and assisting the ISK mafia to their economic domination of game.
Oh.. and as far as low sec ICE... I am sure the ISK sellers will set up 23/7 blockade encampments of these systems.. they never sleep or take time off or get tired. They share accounts across muliple players. they are always on and always rested and alert.
Check this post 3 months from now. and tell me i have it wrong. EVE is dying... we need to act now to save it.
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John McShip
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Posted - 2007.10.18 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen Edited by: Bish Ounen on 18/10/2007 15:37:26 Step1: Create Alt character named "Financal department" in the same noob corp as the "Financial department" character.
Step2: Set up in the same station as the "Financial department" character and offer the exact same contracts he/she is
Step3: PROFIT!!!
Step4: Laugh all the way to the bank at the stupid ISK sellers, and the morons that buy from them.
Alternate Step4: Report all the character names that fell for your "sting" to the GM's, and THEN laugh all the way to the bank.
Then look at your wallet value! what's this negative sign
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Hana Lena
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.18 19:48:00 -
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We need a CCP resopnce to this Bull**** .... now ADHD + Dyslexia = BAD SPELLING F.N.A. F! T! W! Meow Mix! Bacon! DOOM!
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Serious Rikk
Pangalactic Aquisitions
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Posted - 2007.10.18 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: SengH if you wanna see something really suspcious
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=84993
hai guys im a 1 month old noob who suddenly has the isk to buy 20billion isk worth of skillbooks and move it in a shuttle.
Nah, that's not suspicious Stupid maybe, but not suspicious. -- Noble Scumbag
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari 19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2007.10.18 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: SengH if you wanna see something really suspcious
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=84993
hai guys im a 1 month old noob who suddenly has the isk to buy 20billion isk worth of skillbooks and move it in a shuttle.
I'd have to say that's more of a trading alt than a farmer. ---- DOMINIX IS INVINCIBLE:(((( |
SengH
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.18 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Luigi Thirty
Originally by: SengH if you wanna see something really suspcious
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=84993
hai guys im a 1 month old noob who suddenly has the isk to buy 20billion isk worth of skillbooks and move it in a shuttle.
I'd have to say that's more of a trading alt than a farmer.
with 51 capital ship skillbooks... yeahhhhh. How long would that take to sell ?
Remember how CCP said they paid attention to low value items being traded at high values? 1 bil isk for 1 trit is pretty obvious.. but 1bil isk trades for something with a base value of 310mil isk would probably fly under the radar.
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.10.18 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: ZeroMbutCannotJump Here is my contribution. I painstakingly went through all the already accepted contacts I could find and made an excel spreadsheet. Tons of contracts are up and waiting for more reverse transfers to occur. I noticed the names for the most part follow a similar convention. Two words, first is capital and second is not. Random nouns, sometimes with a strange adjective thrown in. All sound weird and very "babel fish Asian" like. I opened convo with one and pasted some romanized Chinese. He replied within 10 seconds with some complicated stuff...no idea what it means.
Sorry for the horrible formating. Anyways, who knows how much these people have actually made and sold (Only CCP, if they wanted)... this could be only one of their transaction methods...and only one of their "nodes."
Assembly hall .... 1m 3d SWA 102
^^^ thats one of the names that I saw in the lowsec system going back and fourth in a Bestower between 2 systems like the rest of them.
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Suboran
Gallente Sphinx Inc Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.18 22:55:00 -
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hey, check through the people who accept the contracts, and look at there contract history, u can follow the huge network i suspect.
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.18 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Financ1al Department Lets see if they fall for this one heh
Good luck. I recommend petitioning CCP to inform them that the character is a tar trap for isk sellers. Otherwise there may be issues with that account.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Quote: Astarte Nosferatu > You'd mind if I ask for your asl? SirMolle > eh?
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