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Trojanman190
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well, we don't announce these things very often, but we've banned the people involved in this "Large Scale Criminal Activity".
This kind of victory is always tasty for us denizens of EVE. Could you guys make it a point to release crime statistics? I think it would help to strengthen of players' faith in the system.
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Atavachron
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Posted - 2007.10.19 12:51:00 -
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If this thread were a cup of tea, I would gladly drink from the saucer.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Trojanman190
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well, we don't announce these things very often, but we've banned the people involved in this "Large Scale Criminal Activity".
This kind of victory is always tasty for us denizens of EVE. Could you guys make it a point to release crime statistics? I think it would help to strengthen of players' faith in the system.
But the other thing is, it will also strengthen the spammers/sellers/launderers.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.10.19 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well, we don't announce these things very often, but we've banned the people involved in this "Large Scale Criminal Activity".
1 down.
Ten billion to go.
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BubbaZanetti
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Posted - 2007.10.19 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
1 down.
Ten billion to go.
Woah. We hit ten billion subs? Suck it, WoW!
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Major Death
Caldari Space Salvage Incorperated
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Posted - 2007.10.19 22:58:00 -
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Quote: but I honestly think that CCP actually does do its research and tries to keep the isk farmers at bay whenever possible.
Now thats a sarcastic comment! CCP cannot secure a database, let alone out wit a bunch of macro'ers. The Slaver Hounds in the docking bays know where to find ISK pharmers ingame!
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) |
slip66
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.19 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well, we don't announce these things very often, but we've banned the people involved in this "Large Scale Criminal Activity".
This should be front page news etc with a link to this thread.
This would give honest players a warm and fuzzy something is being done. This would also encourage other players to bring forward more evidence!
Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers |
Stakhanov
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.10.19 23:28:00 -
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/signed to make it front page news.
Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.10.19 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: F90OEX on 19/10/2007 23:36:02 Good...
Now how about a c-rack down on the ISK spamming in the channels, surely it can't be too much to ask for
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2007.10.19 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Trojanman190
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well, we don't announce these things very often, but we've banned the people involved in this "Large Scale Criminal Activity".
This kind of victory is always tasty for us denizens of EVE. Could you guys make it a point to release crime statistics? I think it would help to strengthen of players' faith in the system.
Without NAMES such information is no more than made-up propaganda. CCP needs to drop stupidity of "all wrongdoers shall be anonymous, it's sacred that way" and adopt "NAME AND SHAME".
And yes, without names I will believe they are making the stats up. I still remember T20 and the 'other incident'. I'll trust if they verify.
POST WITH YOUR ALT!
The Shame o' The Galaxy |
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Stakhanov
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.10.20 00:08:00 -
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The names have already been posted on page 1...
Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
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Tradelade
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Posted - 2007.10.20 00:12:00 -
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Props for the OP bringing this up with solid evidence.
A company that could write a game of this size can't figure out how to remove ISK sellers spamming all the channels.
Or farmers.
Obviously it's just a matter of priorities. Would be nice to get a post from CCP, explaining their policy and why there is so little visible effort against these scum.
Public ban lists, volunteer GMs tracking 'em down.. The thread is full of great ideas, now we'd just need someone from CCP explaining why they aren't implementing these changes. Or better yet, coming up with their own solutions.
Oh and a *bump*. These threads should hang up there untill we get decent answers.
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2007.10.20 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov The names have already been posted on page 1...
By a player. No action has been taken so far as we know.
CCP needs to post the NAMES of the damned. Without NAMES any 'statistics' about bans of cheaters are meaningless. CCP has a credibility problem. Without NAMES players cannot check to see if the 'statistics' are so much sophistry.
POST WITH YOUR ALT!
The Shame o' The Galaxy |
Stakhanov
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.10.20 01:07:00 -
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CCP already has a policy of not disclosing names... (as seen in the FAQ)
Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
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Kage Psychodin
Caldari The Empire Nation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.20 01:21:00 -
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I think a list of the damned would be something nice to read. Come on, we know if we lived in the 12-1400s as long as it wasn't out butts on the fire, public executions and gibbetings would be entertaining to go to.
Another one bites the dust. |
zilllii
Squirrel Power
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Posted - 2007.10.20 01:36:00 -
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i think the problem here is that its hard to get to the sellers but what CCP should do is track the buyers and permaban all the buyers accounts and name monthly all ingame characters that have been banned.
soon the buyers will be gone and with no buyers there is no profit for the sellers.
or the GM's can have fun with them and remove all their money/ships/isk and park them in lets say PF-346 and have all GM and Dev buddies bubble up the system and have a squishy fest
gimme bigger letter count in my sig so it wont cut off everything damnit!!!! |
Cadela Fria
Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.20 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 20/10/2007 01:51:59
Originally by: Price Watcher
Originally by: Stakhanov The names have already been posted on page 1...
By a player. No action has been taken so far as we know.
CCP needs to post the NAMES of the damned. Without NAMES any 'statistics' about bans of cheaters are meaningless. CCP has a credibility problem. Without NAMES players cannot check to see if the 'statistics' are so much sophistry.
Why on EARTH would CCP want to do that? Credibility problem? Woah woah down sparky, who exactly do you think we as players are? CCP's performance managers who constantly look over their shoulders while they cower at their desk everytime we tower up behind them?
Geez man...
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gojwer
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Posted - 2007.10.20 03:01:00 -
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whenever another thread pops up saying "why is my isk in the negatives?" I think CCPs too soft on buyers. I could understand someone who is on the receiving end, such as an isk seller gives someone who buys isk 100 mil, then that person turns around and buys something from a legitimate player, which means that they now have the bad isk, but as far as the actual isk buyers are concerned, and any other form of cheating the system, be it devs or whole alliances or a single person, I think they need at least a 14 day ban, if not a complete one. people tend to shape up when the alternative is to be taken out of the loop completely.
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gojwer
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Posted - 2007.10.20 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 20/10/2007 01:51:59
Originally by: Price Watcher
Originally by: Stakhanov The names have already been posted on page 1...
By a player. No action has been taken so far as we know.
CCP needs to post the NAMES of the damned. Without NAMES any 'statistics' about bans of cheaters are meaningless. CCP has a credibility problem. Without NAMES players cannot check to see if the 'statistics' are so much sophistry.
Why on EARTH would CCP want to do that? Credibility problem? Woah woah down sparky, who exactly do you think we as players are? CCP's performance managers who constantly look over their shoulders while they cower at their desk everytime we tower up behind them?
Geez man...
thats exactly what players should be
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Joker47
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Posted - 2007.10.20 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: Joker47 on 20/10/2007 03:07:34
Originally by: Sarkkon Oh.. and as far as low sec ICE... I am sure the ISK sellers will set up 23/7 blockade encampments of these systems.. they never sleep or take time off or get tired. They share accounts across muliple players. they are always on and always rested and alert.
Check this post 3 months from now. and tell me i have it wrong. EVE is dying... we need to act now to save it.
NEVER going to happen
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gojwer
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Posted - 2007.10.20 03:18:00 -
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theres a lot of isk farmer/sellers in their own corps. go wardec them for free loot. isk sellers cant fight THAT well can they?
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.20 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: gojwer
Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 20/10/2007 01:51:59
Originally by: Price Watcher
Originally by: Stakhanov The names have already been posted on page 1...
By a player. No action has been taken so far as we know.
CCP needs to post the NAMES of the damned. Without NAMES any 'statistics' about bans of cheaters are meaningless. CCP has a credibility problem. Without NAMES players cannot check to see if the 'statistics' are so much sophistry.
Why on EARTH would CCP want to do that? Credibility problem? Woah woah down sparky, who exactly do you think we as players are? CCP's performance managers who constantly look over their shoulders while they cower at their desk everytime we tower up behind them?
Geez man...
thats exactly what players should be
Huh??? Why??? Why the HELL should we watch over CCP's shoulder? Why should we at all nose in THEIR BUSINESS..not ours..THEIRS. Why should they cower??? Why is there even talk about lack of credibility?? If you don't trust the company, why are you even paying? Are you stupid?
As a paying customer you buy the right to log in and play..THATS IT. Heck I think what you buy is even less then that.
If I buy service from an ISP, I have no right to know about if some other person paying for the same service at the same ISP as me, gets disconnected and fined for doing something bad. I certainly have no right to know his/her name either.
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KenDoll
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Posted - 2007.10.20 03:46:00 -
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ISK farmers pay ccp money, hence ccp will never do anything to stop this gheyness from continuing.
quit wasting you time with it because the outcome is always the same.
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Constance Noring
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Posted - 2007.10.20 03:53:00 -
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Sweet. I guess the isk was not so "safest" afterall
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ZeroMbutCannotJump
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Posted - 2007.10.20 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria
Huh??? Why??? Why the HELL should we watch over CCP's shoulder? Why should we at all nose in THEIR BUSINESS..not ours..THEIRS. Why should they cower??? Why is there even talk about lack of credibility?? If you don't trust the company, why are you even paying? Are you stupid?
As a paying customer you buy the right to log in and play..THATS IT. Heck I think what you buy is even less then that.
Not that I see your stance as invalid, but for the sake of principle, I just wanted to correct both your "tone" and your logic (esp in the analogy you gave).
First, relax. It is OK if someone has a different opinion than you. Really, this is a matter of opinion. It is all about how you view customer service and the roles of business/customer. Since we are the people actually supporting CCP, some people take a more "They are here to entertain and satisfy us." approach.
Others, like yourself, take a "without them, we could not play EVE, therefore they are superiorly awesome to us." approach. Both are valid. Really. Argue against his ideas if you want, but don't act like it is basic human common sense that you are right and he is totally insane for his thoughts on the subject.
Next, your analogy about the ISP.
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If I buy service from an ISP, I have no right to know about if some other person paying for the same service at the same ISP as me, gets disconnected and fined for doing something bad.
What if it is cable and the person who got banned had been using illegal programs via his connection, thus screwing up the connections of other ISP customers? Would you want to know that your ISP got rid of the fellow?
Quote: I certainly have no right to know his/her name either.
You are breaking the analogy by saying that. The ISP would not be releasing his real name. Maybe they would release something like "Customer 125754231." You would not be able to connect that to any real person or real address.
So, if people in your community are using illegal programs on their cable connections, thus negativly affecting all the legit customers who play by the rules, why would your cable company NOT want to announce on some web page each time they catch another batch of rule breakers (like once a month announcement)? And who cares if they say, "It was Customers 968994, 9784, 949795, and 83996. Means nothing.
That is all.
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Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.10.20 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 19/10/2007 10:57:42
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well, we don't announce these things very often, but we've banned the people involved in this "Large Scale Criminal Activity".
And alliances that harbor such money-laundering types from time to time?
Players shouldn't have the responibility to avoid authorised (such as to harbour a corp) interaction with isk-farming characters nor should they be punished if they ever fail to detect one.
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2007.10.20 05:30:00 -
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I've seen a dozen or so of these guys around a specific low sec area of space, mission running in the exact same Caracals or Ravens.
I've also seen the large hauler gangs.
And, I have plans on killing every last one of them that comes through the gate in one hell of a gankfest sometime in the near future. :) ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group
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Nytemaster
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.20 05:35:00 -
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There are vast NPC corp macro bots infesting Eve.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.20 06:35:00 -
[119]
Originally by: ZeroMbutCannotJump
Not that I see your stance as invalid, but for the sake of principle, I just wanted to correct both your "tone" and your logic (esp in the analogy you gave).
First, relax. It is OK if someone has a different opinion than you. Really, this is a matter of opinion. It is all about how you view customer service and the roles of business/customer. Since we are the people actually supporting CCP, some people take a more "They are here to entertain and satisfy us." approach.
Others, like yourself, take a "without them, we could not play EVE, therefore they are superiorly awesome to us." approach. Both are valid. Really. Argue against his ideas if you want, but don't act like it is basic human common sense that you are right and he is totally insane for his thoughts on the subject.
I suppose I have made my post rather aggressive, and you're right, I should relax a little, but you're wrong about the rest..I don't find CCP particularly awesome, or superior for that matter.
What you have to understand is that I've been repeating myself with the same message, over and over and over, for ages now..to the kind of people who all believe CCP should serve their own balls on a silver platter, cooked to specifics, all because these people pay x times $15 a month, depending the amount of accounts they have.
I am a relaxed player who, unfortunately, got to talking to people about these sort of things and then ended up repeating myself over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over etc. Running into one instance of apparent brainfailure after another with people...you know...as if people couldn't think of themselves, and I got too much caught up in it.
Also, it is a blantant, and most assuredly simple, fact, that without CCP or another entity with legal rights to run an EVE server, we couldn't play EVE. Even you wouldn't question that.
Originally by: ZeroMbutCannotJump
Next, your analogy about the ISP.
<stuff> <more stuff> <stuffed stuff> etc
I'm not really sure you're getting through to me, as I..well...I honestly don't see you defeating my analogy, more like confirming it. As for the cable thing...I have absolutely no idea what the difference would be, so I wouldn't even be able to agree with you if I wanted to. What I do know though, is that ultimately it comes down to your rules and policies.
Also, I'm not very good with analogies, what I'm comparing is what I know that is as close to what CCP does in service.
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Sin Meng
Gallente Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.20 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Meng on 20/10/2007 06:58:24 Work like this would make a nice addition to ISD. Hunting such things alongside GMs might help the cause. -------------------------
EVE is a sandbox with land mines, deal with it. |
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