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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.10.28 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cruthensis
(ps Voogru:I want it as my sig! Can I link to it? Pretty please.)
Go for it.
Infact, I invite everyone to protest the farmers by using that exact image as a sig. I will be updating it soon with more farmer names, make sure to use the image thats on my web server.
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Secretary
Bargain consumables
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Posted - 2007.10.28 23:23:00 -
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many of the with milk auctions have not been collected suggesting the farmers don't work weekends or that the bagman got banned and let the farmers know.
No new bagman seems to have appeared, i guess someone got a braincell among the farmer group.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2007.10.28 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Cruthensis
(ps Voogru:I want it as my sig! Can I link to it? Pretty please.)
Go for it.
Infact, I invite everyone to protest the farmers by using that exact image as a sig. I will be updating it soon with more farmer names, make sure to use the image thats on my web server.
however the link in your sig is broken (for me at least) -------------
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Pooka
Caldari United Space Aillance USA
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Posted - 2007.10.28 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Secretary many of the with milk auctions have not been collected suggesting the farmers don't work weekends or that the bagman got banned and let the farmers know.
No new bagman seems to have appeared, i guess someone got a braincell among the farmer group.
Not claim / collected but the ISK changed hands.
PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN...TRUST NO ONE
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Tradelade
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Posted - 2007.10.29 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sellerella2
And that's the conclusion I've drawn. I was able to find 30 or more accounts off of 1 banker. People here are listing a few more bankers. which means even more accounts. Next thing you know we are talking about an actual percentage of the paid Eve accounts, and I honestly believe this is why CCP doesn't do anything. If CCP has decided they want the subscription fees, fine, just make the playerbase aware of that so I can decide if I'd like to continue supporting a game like this. What p*sses me off is when a CCP employee comes here and blatantly lies to us, a lie which *any* Eve player with two brain cells to rub together can verify is a lie. Not only does CCP not care how we feel about the isk farmers, they think we are pretty stupid too.
QFT.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Shadow Rebellion
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Posted - 2007.10.29 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sellerella2 And that's the conclusion I've drawn. I was able to find 30 or more accounts off of 1 banker. People here are listing a few more bankers. which means even more accounts. Next thing you know we are talking about an actual percentage of the paid Eve accounts, and I honestly believe this is why CCP doesn't do anything. If CCP has decided they want the subscription fees, fine, just make the playerbase aware of that so I can decide if I'd like to continue supporting a game like this. What p*sses me off is when a CCP employee comes here and blatantly lies to us, a lie which *any* Eve player with two brain cells to rub together can verify is a lie. Not only does CCP not care how we feel about the isk farmers, they think we are pretty stupid too.
So true. If they really do admit such things, then they loose the rest of credibility if there is anything left after all that BS that they throw at us lately. I might start to believe in CCP again if I see a bulletproof proof. So far that didnt happen.
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Lurtz
Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers
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Posted - 2007.10.29 19:58:00 -
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so since it looks like CCP is ignoring this, should we be making alts with similar names and contracts to try to siphon some of this isk?
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2007.10.29 20:03:00 -
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Simply add a filter on the incoming network traffic that excludes traffic from Korea, Taiwan, China and Singapore and we would see a 90% drop in ISK seller spam...
And yes, that IS a controversial view of things, but that does not make it any less true...
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Zandree
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Posted - 2007.10.29 23:57:00 -
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I've added some farmers to my addressbook. I see them come online and then suddenly stop and never come back on. Thus I know they get banned. People expect to petition macro haulers going back and forth and get them immediately banned. But what they do not think about is perhaps those haulers are working to pile up the ISK which does not get sold right away. Until the ISK is sold there is no reason for CCP to ban them, no proof. And farmers have figured out that farming and selling ISK at the same time will get all accounts banned - so why how farm first for a few months then sell later? Meanwhile players see them come online and think CCP is not doing anything about it. Well they can't until ISK gets sold and it may be many months before that happens.
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Jobby
Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.30 00:23:00 -
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Bah Isk laundering 4t ignore |
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Sellerella2
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Posted - 2007.10.30 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zandree Well they can't until ISK gets sold and it may be many months before that happens.
This is where you are missing the point. These farmers give their money to a "bank" character. They themselves aren't doing any selling, so by your logic they will *never* get banned, but they'll continue getting isk to be sold. CCP can ban any account for any reason they choose, it's quite legal. But it doesn't appear they are.
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Poena Loveless
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Posted - 2007.10.31 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: F90OEX There is 3-5 lowsec systems all chained together, few times a week in the early hours of the morning, its little Jita with 98% of the haulers china farmers/ISK laundering NPC chars all using the market, to "wash" there isk, few times I've been there, there are probably about 40-60 in local.
Its probably been going on for months, under the radar of CCP, but yet no one does anything.
Name the systems and we can just camp the gates ;P
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Pango Ein
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Posted - 2007.11.01 04:36:00 -
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Today's disposable alt Isk Farmer/Bagman/Node was "boarder go". "Actor" and "with milk" seem to have retired. All the usual suspects have made their one unit of ammo purchases resulting in billions in profit for "boarder go".
For those not paying attention, search for the player "border go" and press the Show Contracts button on his Character Info Page. He is auctioning single units of ammo for 100-400M Isk each and makes 5-10B Isk per day. And all the buyers are repeat buyers. And he is 2 days old, ie. a disposable alt.
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.11.01 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Poena Loveless Edited by: Poena Loveless on 31/10/2007 22:28:48
Originally by: F90OEX There is 3-5 lowsec systems all chained together, few times a week in the early hours of the morning, its little Jita with 98% of the haulers china farmers/ISK laundering NPC chars all using the market, to "wash" there isk, few times I've been there, there are probably about 40-60 in local.
Its probably been going on for months, under the radar of CCP, but yet no one does anything.
Name the systems and we can just camp the gates (like someone said, no one would care about a smartbombing mom in *this* situation) ;P
Just go to LOES and all the lowsec systems around there are full of them.
Have fun
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fugimi
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Posted - 2007.11.01 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: fugimi on 01/11/2007 12:44:01 Right now, as i write this post a new char called "Boarder Go" is laundering massive amounts of isk.
in his laundering circle u can find MANY of those same characters who'v been active (and reported) since my first post.
obviously CCP dosnt ban the involved accounts and all they do is give us 1 or 2 bans as a token every month, that dosnt even slow those isk sellers down since their farming accounts r still active and running, providing a constant flow of isk to sell.
but even though the PROOF TRAIL exist and those accounts r implicated in that illegal network, CCP "choose" to let them be.
its a huge encouragment for isk sellers to keep their work, and a call for all those who r interest to come to eve and exploit it.
and infact we can see more and more different website links everyday, joining the oready VERY sick & thick daily spamming ritual.
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Xaen
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:52:00 -
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Better yet, Bayesian filters.
Given that CCP controls the entire in game chat and evemail system there's no reason they can't stop spam entirely.
I heard one CCP dev say it would slow the system down too much but if Google can make gmail work virtually instantly with 95% of all email being spam and me seeing none of it, surely they can handle 35k people. --
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Alejandro Zapata
Minmatar PAK
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Posted - 2007.11.01 15:51:00 -
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CCPs silence is hard to take.
There is no reason this thread should have fallen to the second page.
Ram it down their throats until they listen.
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Sellerella2
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Posted - 2007.11.01 16:07:00 -
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Anyone at Fanfest wanna corner them on this?
1) What is their position on these farmer accounts who themselves don't sell isk, but give to the banker accounts?
2) Don't they believe their already less than steller credibility is hurt by lying to the playerbase about banning farmers that they don't ban?
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JCLawson
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.11.01 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sellerella2 Anyone at Fanfest wanna corner them on this?
1) What is their position on these farmer accounts who themselves don't sell isk, but give to the banker accounts?
Has it been mentioned why they can't (or ignore) the outflow of isk from these banker accounts? Unless these accounts are merely gathering bilions of isk for the hell of it, it has to be going somewhere, to a plethora of different accounts. Surely that can be easliy monitored.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2007.11.01 18:14:00 -
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I think the reason the ISK seller accounts are not dealt with immediatly is simple: They are not the primary target. The ISK buyers are. As you all have stated it is easy even for a player to follow the flow of ISK. So CCP only needs to wait until someone buys ISK and gets a transfer from the known farming nodes. Then CCP can firmly plant a fist on the ISK buyers face, cutting a hole in his wallet and make that person hurt by having just wasted a batch of RL money. I think PrismX stated that he doesn't really hate the ISK sellers but more the ISK buyers as those are creating a market for the ISK.
I think this is a viable and efficient tactic. The ISK sellers are much like a Hydra, growing heads back when they are cut off. The ISK buyers are what the Hydra feeds on. So instead of fighting a rather hopeless fight against this regenerating monster, CCP seeks out to eliminate the Hydra's source of nutrition. The beast will simply starve.
No ISK buyers -> No ISK market -> No ISK sellers.
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2007.11.01 18:51:00 -
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No ISK Sellers = no ISK market.
Real World can show you that punishing drug users has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs.
What this thread reveals makes me sick. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2007.11.01 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Abrazzar on 01/11/2007 19:09:20
Originally by: Pwett No ISK Sellers = no ISK market.
Real World can show you that punishing drug users has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs.
What this thread reveals makes me sick.
What you fail to realize is that ISK buyers are much, much more easy to discourage from buying ISK than a drug addict can be discouraged from buying drugs. Equaling the ISK market with the drug market is [mentally handicapped] at best.
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2007.11.01 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Pwett on 01/11/2007 19:31:58
Originally by: Abrazzar
What you fail to realize is that ISK buyers are much, much more easy to discourage from buying ISK than a drug addict can be discouraged from buying drugs. Equaling the ISK market with the drug market is [mentally handicapped] at best.
Yes, because weed is sooooo addictive and our jails are completely not filled to the brim with people who bought a dime bag of weed.
I'm so metally handicapped, I don't know how I can type. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Demje
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Posted - 2007.11.01 20:14:00 -
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you're all being stupid.
1. CCP makes money off of isk farmers. 2. isk farmers sell to people, but their sales are tracked. 3. people who break the EULA to buy isk subsequently have their isk removed and will not buy isk again, + if they bought anything they get into negative numbers meaning their character is trashed unless they want to dig themselves out of it. 4. they're out real money for breaking the EULA, and will probably not buy isk again, and since there are only so many people on the planet this means the source of income for farmers will eventually run dry. 5. isk farmers will just get around character bans, its much more logical to keep track of the ISK farmers so their sales can be removed once they tranfer it to a buyer, thus punishing buyers. 6. you're all stupid.
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2007.11.01 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Pwett on 01/11/2007 22:00:10 You do realize that if you only attack demand (the buyers) while not attacking supply (the node feeders) that it ONLY makes isk cheaper?
Seriously? I mean, we're talking econ 101 here. If you kill the supply, isk will get to the point where it will be TOO expensive to buy. Then people will just buy GTCs... but that's a separate issue.
See, you need to find a way to make it so expensive that people will simply make the decision that it would cost too much to cheat.
Resolution? Don't let trial account access contracts. Make it skill based or hard-code it. I don't care. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Shadow Rebellion
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Posted - 2007.11.01 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Demje Edited by: Demje on 01/11/2007 20:18:08 you're all being stupid.
1. CCP makes money off of isk farmers. 2. isk farmers sell to people, but their sales are tracked. 3. people who break the EULA to buy isk subsequently have their isk removed and will not buy isk again, + if they bought anything they get into negative numbers meaning their character is trashed unless they want to dig themselves out of it. 4. they're out real money for breaking the EULA, and will probably not buy isk again, and since there are only so many people on the planet this means the source of income for farmers will eventually run dry. 5. isk farmers will just get around character bans, its much more logical to keep track of the ISK farmers so their sales can be removed once they tranfer it to a buyer, thus punishing buyers. 6. you're all stupid.
btw, you'll find a lot of names like "boarder go" or "mad cherry" or "dime one" in the russian chat channel. go take a look.
Every buyer buys mostly only once, every seller sells ISK as long as they have the ISK and they have lots of ISK. No sellers -> no buyers. No buyers -> spam still there.
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Sellerella2
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Posted - 2007.11.02 04:49:00 -
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I mentioned this thread 2x in another isk seller complaint thread, when a GM went off about how we all need to work together to stop isk sellers (talk about blowing smoke...). Both posts were deleted within 30 seconds. How's that for fast service!
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sellerella2 I mentioned this thread 2x in another isk seller complaint thread, when a GM went off about how we all need to work together to stop isk sellers (talk about blowing smoke...). Both posts were deleted within 30 seconds. How's that for fast service!
GMs say ISK farmers are not the problem, only ISK sellers.
I see what they've done there, and support them wholeheartedly against the terrorists ISK sellers! *stamp of approval*
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Pango Ein
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Posted - 2007.11.06 06:41:00 -
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Today's disposable alt Isk Farmer/Bagman/Node was "Don cat". Now selling Electronics, Mechanic, and Drones skill books for 100-500M Isk each. All the usual suspects have made their skill book purchases resulting in billions in profit for "Don cat".
For those not paying attention, search for the player "Don cat" and press the Show Contracts button on her Character Info Page. He is auctioning single units of ammo for 100-400M Isk each and makes 5-10B Isk per day. And all the buyers are repeat buyers. And she is 1 days old, ie. a disposable alt.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Shadow Rebellion
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Posted - 2007.11.06 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pango Ein Today's disposable alt Isk Farmer/Bagman/Node was "Don cat". Now selling Electronics, Mechanic, and Drones skill books for 100-500M Isk each. All the usual suspects have made their skill book purchases resulting in billions in profit for "Don cat".
For those not paying attention, search for the player "Don cat" and press the Show Contracts button on her Character Info Page. He is auctioning single units of ammo for 100-400M Isk each and makes 5-10B Isk per day. And all the buyers are repeat buyers. And she is 1 days old, ie. a disposable alt.
Gold laundering at its finest and nothing we can do.
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