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pyraX Sg
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:32:00 -
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whats the best sniper in eve? whats the best tanker in eve? if i should chooce a sniper, it would be abaddon, if i should chooce a lvl 5 missionrunner.. it would rather be cnr or abaddon or the new t2 bs :P..
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.19 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rutefly
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer [alot of quotes with slapping nerfed]..
More than 3.6 million ships active in EVE. Amount of Caldari spaceships flying in space: 1.2 million Gallente: 1 million Minmatar: 670 thousand Amarr: 635 thousand
Source: Dev blog.
Oh yeah im sure amarr is just fine...
Those numbers arent giving an alltogether accurate picture in on that aspect either. Consider more would fly minmatar if their ships werent so ugly as sin, and less would actually fly Amarr if it weren't for the fact they are so golden and sexy looking.
Im a 100% dedicated Amarr pilot, loving every minute of it.
Oh please, the looks of ships has minor impact (it does but it cant explain this huge difference) on the use amount. This looked the other way around back when space was filled with 8x non stack nerfed heatsinking gankageddon (emphesis on GANK). You just cant deny that most amarr gunships need a laser buff of some sort.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.19 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: pyraX Sg whats the best sniper in eve? whats the best tanker in eve? if i should chooce a sniper, it would be abaddon, if i should chooce a lvl 5 missionrunner.. it would rather be cnr or abaddon or the new t2 bs :P..
As said for the 23457483441231th time. Abaddon is fine! Too bad most of the other amarr (exluding khanid) ships are not.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.19 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 19/10/2007 22:58:14 let me guess:
1) You have your energy skills to 4 and controlled bursts to 4. 2) You use Mulit-specs a lot and prefer them for the 'uber dps' 3) You fire all your guns and can't forsee your cap usage to regulate how many guns you can sustain. 4) you are simply a poor amarr pilot.
I expect you will start flying a vegabond in a few weeks and claming they 'WTFPWN' or sumsuch.
Dude. . .learn to play amarr. Smart amarr players put a lot of pain downrange.
Lasers need help, but the Abaddon is not the example to use when convincing people why lasers need help. That ship is scarry.
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Kirov VIII
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Posted - 2007.10.19 22:59:00 -
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PvP is one thing but don't forget PvE too !
Try to kill guristas/angel with laser weapon only. You can read a book before the ship is killed if you passthrough the tank !!
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.19 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Atius Tirawa Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 19/10/2007 22:58:14 let me guess:
1) You have your energy skills to 4 and controlled bursts to 4. 2) You use Mulit-specs a lot and prefer them for the 'uber dps' 3) You fire all your guns and can't forsee your cap usage to regulate how many guns you can sustain. 4) you are simply a poor amarr pilot.
I expect you will start flying a vegabond in a few weeks and claming they 'WTFPWN' or sumsuch.
Dude. . .learn to play amarr. Smart amarr players put a lot of pain downrange.
Lasers need help, but the Abaddon is not the example to use when convincing people why lasers need help. That ship is scarry.
Who are you talking to? Wich amarr pilot has complained about abaddon here?
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2007.10.19 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: shinsushi on 19/10/2007 23:04:03 I have Energy Op 5, Energy management 5, and amarr BS 5 (along with controlled burst 5). I still cap out quite easily.
Oh btw, does energy skills or controlled burst even matter when boosters are required fits?? I know recharge is not very important in PvP sub-cap)
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.19 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: shinsushi Edited by: shinsushi on 19/10/2007 23:04:03 I have Energy Op 5, Energy management 5, and amarr BS 5 (along with controlled burst 5). I still cap out quite easily.
Oh btw, does energy skills or controlled burst even matter when boosters are required fits?? I know recharge is not very important in PvP sub-cap)
I think Atius here is opening his mouth without having a clue what he is talking about. gg
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Mrski Okupator
Amarr The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.19 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: shinsushi Edited by: shinsushi on 19/10/2007 23:04:03 I have Energy Op 5, Energy management 5, and amarr BS 5 (along with controlled burst 5). I still cap out quite easily.
Oh btw, does energy skills or controlled burst even matter when boosters are required fits?? I know recharge is not very important in PvP sub-cap)
I think Atius here is opening his mouth without having a clue what he is talking about. gg
I wouldn't be so quick to judge (wrongly!). Fleet tachy2 abaddon (that means mwd incluided) without cap injector caps out in under a minute. So mids have to be: mwd, 2xsb2, hvy injector => more tracking enhancers = less dmg or tank. An active tank abaddon needs 2 injectors.
And there are no capital sized injectors (or batteries if anyone uses those); for cap ships only cap recharge matters.
And, ofc. Abaddon is the ok amarr bs. Geddon has only 3 mids and the apoc is only good when dps isn't crucial. Like pos shooting or mining. ___ Apocalypse Mining. Mine your way to heaven.
What playing Amarr feels like. Shamelessly snatched from Almarez. |
sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.20 01:05:00 -
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Cap boosters? Decent skills?
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2007.10.20 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: sakana Cap boosters? Decent skills?
Cap boosters kinda f'ed over the amarrians a little if you think about it. They allow every race to have the same massive cap replenishment, with the sacrifice of one slot. The amarrian race was supposed to be the "capacitor race" but everyone has it in oodles, and no one requires as much. The elimination of cap boosters would just mean very few ships in the game could do everything (like they do now), and amarrians would be in better shape.
The MWD penalty might mean something more than just needing a few cap boosters. Skills in cap recharge might actually mean something in sub-capital ships too.
Look at capitals, where cap boosters do not work. Hey amarrian ships work pretty well there don't they?
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zilllii
Squirrel Power
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Posted - 2007.10.20 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Heartcarver
Originally by: General Apocalypse
Originally by: Heartcarver Abba is awesome for missions.
7 Mega Beams 1 Tracking comp, 1 sensor booster, 2 cap rechargers 2's
1 Lar II, couple of hardners or EAN II if ur lazy (and know missions so u dont die)
2 Heat sink 2 rest is CPR II with 3 ccc rigs
You can perma run everything
Use T2 drones for frigs
Stop whining
/me/ slaps Heartcarver so hard tat the hood falls off . We're talking pvp here young one , go back to missions . You guns are shiny , they don't have blood on them .
/me slaps you back till your char grows hair ^^
Amarr are fine in pvp too ;p
abbadon vs geddon triple cost - low cost runs out of cap if guns and tank is used - can fit tank and still fire ze guns(for a while)
the abbadons cap is not 3 times as good as the geddons and it is not doing 3 times the damage nor can it rep 3 times as good.
it is just plain 3 times as handicapped as other amarr ships.
gimme bigger letter count in my sig so it wont cut off everything damnit!!!! |
Rayne Starfire
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Posted - 2007.10.20 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: zilllii
I said silly things and issue a challenge to abaddon pilots
I meet your challenge. Go get your geddon with pulse and lets rock. I wonder who'll do the crying.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.10.20 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rayne Starfire
Originally by: zilllii
I said silly things and issue a challenge to abaddon pilots
I meet your challenge. Go get your geddon with pulse and lets rock. I wonder who'll do the crying.
Not that the post you're replying to wasn't silly, but devil's advocate moment:
Just because you managed to melt his ship before you capped out, it doesn't mean that your ship doesn't cap out with a quickness.
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Rayne Starfire
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Posted - 2007.10.20 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
said good things I should respond to
I can fire guns or repair infinitely. I can do both for a long time(maybe over 15 minutes) on Standard L without boosters. Multi L or Conflag I can do until I run out of cap and then boosters(maybe about 5-10 minutes).
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.10.20 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rayne Starfire Edited by: Rayne Starfire on 20/10/2007 02:58:38
Originally by: Amarria Black
said good things I should respond to
I can fire guns or repair infinitely. I can do both for a long time(maybe over 15 minutes) on Standard L without boosters. Multi L or Conflag I can do until I run out of cap and then boosters(maybe about 5-10 minutes).
EDIT: 5-10 minutes is longer than most small combat.
Fair enough. I'm not going to weigh into the Abaddon ****ing match, as I've not really flown one. However, I feel that you've adequately defended our T3 BS.
So that's 1 ship that doesn't completely suck when you've got all applicable skills @ 5. This in no way negates the necessity to have a higher skill point investment to get on-par performance out of an Amarr laser boat -versus- a different racial boat of same class and similar role. Nor does it counteract our glaring weakness of being chained to two specific damage types. Nor does it do anything to lessen the pure insult that is non-racial weapons getting better DPS than racial weapons + bonuses on the same platform.
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Rayne Starfire
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Posted - 2007.10.20 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black said good things I agree with.
The tier 3 is the only Amarr ship I really love but you do have to invest heavily to get a good return out of it. Particularly in armor composition skills and passive resists. Most other racial ships are ready to go out of the box without as much time or effort invested. Perhaps it's time CCP broke out the nerf bat and brought everyone else in-line with Amarr? ;)
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2007.10.20 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rayne Starfire rabble
No, the Tier 3 amarrian BS is fine, for about 2 minutes, after that its as dangerous as a push-up pop.
No, nerfing everything else to bring it in-line with one ship is a bad idea. maybe boosting a few amarrian ships would work better. Namely lasers, as that the only real big issue plaguing amarrian ships right now. Lasers and Omni tanks that is.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.10.20 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rayne Starfire
Originally by: Amarria Black said good things I agree with.
The tier 3 is the only Amarr ship I really love but you do have to invest heavily to get a good return out of it. Particularly in armor composition skills and passive resists. Most other racial ships are ready to go out of the box without as much time or effort invested. Perhaps it's time CCP broke out the nerf bat and brought everyone else in-line with Amarr? ;)
Preaching to the choir. I'd prefer that Amarr ships not be required to fit T2 or better in order to be functionally effective while simultaneously being unable to fit a full T2 loadout.
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Rayne Starfire
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Posted - 2007.10.20 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: shinsushi adequately stated in the other thread his ineptness at fitting amarr ships
stop trying to do everything with it and fitting zero cap mods/rigs. shouldn't be such a problem then.
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goodby4u
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.20 05:40:00 -
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For all the amarr ships the abaddon would be the last one i would complain about...
It can basically 1v1 most ships its size with a similar skill set.... __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space. |
Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.10.20 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u For all the amarr ships the abaddon would be the last one i would complain about...
It can basically 1v1 most ships its size with a similar skill set....
... assuming this skill set is T2 across the board + maxed cap skills + near-max armor comp. Otherwise, you're flying yet another awesome looking gold-chrome doorstop.
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2007.10.20 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rayne Starfire
Originally by: shinsushi adequately stated in the other thread his ineptness at fitting amarr ships
stop trying to do everything with it and fitting zero cap mods/rigs. shouldn't be such a problem then.
You have absolutely no clue how to fit ships, and your saying I am inept?
Blaster boats without MWDs, repper bonused boats with single reps, a boat with 3 damg mods and a dmg rig, 2 cap rechargers on a blaster or laser boat??
The idiocy stifles me. I would love to PvP you any day of the week, as would 90% of EvE. I mean, where in the same hell do you get your ideas.... its like a really bad mix of PvP ships with PvE ships.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.20 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mrski Okupator
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: shinsushi Edited by: shinsushi on 19/10/2007 23:04:03 I have Energy Op 5, Energy management 5, and amarr BS 5 (along with controlled burst 5). I still cap out quite easily.
Oh btw, does energy skills or controlled burst even matter when boosters are required fits?? I know recharge is not very important in PvP sub-cap)
I think Atius here is opening his mouth without having a clue what he is talking about. gg
I wouldn't be so quick to judge (wrongly!). Fleet tachy2 abaddon (that means mwd incluided) without cap injector caps out in under a minute. So mids have to be: mwd, 2xsb2, hvy injector => more tracking enhancers = less dmg or tank. An active tank abaddon needs 2 injectors.
And there are no capital sized injectors (or batteries if anyone uses those); for cap ships only cap recharge matters.
And, ofc. Abaddon is the ok amarr bs. Geddon has only 3 mids and the apoc is only good when dps isn't crucial. Like pos shooting or mining.
Uhm I think you understood my comment wrong.
And btw what sniper fleet has mwds on its battleships? Sounds a bit rtrded to me. And what sniper fleet is active (ie rep) tanking its sniping battleships instead of passive plate tanking them?
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2007.10.20 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Uhm I think you understood my comment wrong.
And btw what sniper fleet has mwds on its battleships? Sounds a bit rtrded to me. And what sniper fleet is active (ie rep) tanking its sniping battleships instead of passive plate tanking them?
Go look at his PvP fits in the other thread. He has no clue what he is talking about.
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goodby4u
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.20 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: goodby4u For all the amarr ships the abaddon would be the last one i would complain about...
It can basically 1v1 most ships its size with a similar skill set....
... assuming this skill set is T2 across the board + maxed cap skills + near-max armor comp. Otherwise, you're flying yet another awesome looking gold-chrome doorstop.
I did say similar skill set so if the other guy has those skills then... __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space. |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.20 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: shinsushi
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Uhm I think you understood my comment wrong.
And btw what sniper fleet has mwds on its battleships? Sounds a bit rtrded to me. And what sniper fleet is active (ie rep) tanking its sniping battleships instead of passive plate tanking them?
Go look at his PvP fits in the other thread. He has no clue what he is talking about.
I missed half that fitting discussion, was drowning in bull**** and had to save my neck first.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.10.20 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: goodby4u For all the amarr ships the abaddon would be the last one i would complain about...
It can basically 1v1 most ships its size with a similar skill set....
... assuming this skill set is T2 across the board + maxed cap skills + near-max armor comp. Otherwise, you're flying yet another awesome looking gold-chrome doorstop.
I did say similar skill set so if the other guy has those skills then...
The point being that it's not just two pilots with a similar skill set, it's one pilot with a very specific skill set and another pilot with a similar set. Try this litmus test with any lesser fitting / skill set using the same Abaddon -vs- <insert BS here> scenario.
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goodby4u
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.20 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: goodby4u For all the amarr ships the abaddon would be the last one i would complain about...
It can basically 1v1 most ships its size with a similar skill set....
... assuming this skill set is T2 across the board + maxed cap skills + near-max armor comp. Otherwise, you're flying yet another awesome looking gold-chrome doorstop.
I did say similar skill set so if the other guy has those skills then...
The point being that it's not just two pilots with a similar skill set, it's one pilot with a very specific skill set and another pilot with a similar set. Try this litmus test with any lesser fitting / skill set using the same Abaddon -vs- <insert BS here> scenario.
I cant talk for people with no skills but ive worked out two setups on EFT with no skillpoints,the abaddon does 40 less dps but with a buffer setup(both have 2 plates 2 named eanms 1 DCU)the abddon has 1k more armor...Now its also a given that the abaddon setup was quite easy to fit,the mega i was unable to pack an mwd without an rcu or electrons instead of ions(which would pretty much make the mega have the same dps)... Added to that the abaddon has bonuses that are more affective then the mega(ie turret damage bonus on 8 turrets instead of 7 and resistance bonus)....Now if it were a hyperion vs abaddon with the low skillpoint setup it might win,but thats purely because it can tank actively better then the abaddon could pump out with such a lack of skillpoints. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space. |
Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.10.20 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u I cant talk for people with no skills but ive worked out two setups on EFT with no skillpoints,the abaddon does 40 less dps but with a buffer setup(both have 2 plates 2 named eanms 1 DCU)the abddon has 1k more armor...Now its also a given that the abaddon setup was quite easy to fit,the mega i was unable to pack an mwd without an rcu or electrons instead of ions(which would pretty much make the mega have the same dps)... Added to that the abaddon has bonuses that are more affective then the mega(ie turret damage bonus on 8 turrets instead of 7 and resistance bonus)....Now if it were a hyperion vs abaddon with the low skillpoint setup it might win,but thats purely because it can tank actively better then the abaddon could pump out with such a lack of skillpoints.
Just curious, care to post those two setups? And how fast would that Abaddon cap out?
The real test here would be an "average pilot" setup. A mix of best named T1 and T2 with skills to support it, decent supporting skill set. It's going to produce a lot of anecdotal evidence (Running T2 reppers -vs- a ship with best named T1 guns or vice-versa), but across a large enough data set you'll start to see patterns. Who here is willing to bet against the premise that the data set will support that Amarr ships piloted by a mediocre pilot are typically outclassed by equally mediocre pilots flying a similar non-Amarr ship? (Holy run-on sentence Batman!)
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