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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.23 14:54:00 -
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Why does the amarr one get so many drones in comparison to the gallente one? It's ridiculous when coupled with its neuting capability.
As for the black ops, covert cynos are a bad thing all round, imo, but i'll wait to see them in action on sisi before passing judgement. The sin and kronos look to be ridiculously overpowered right from the outset, so situation normal with the gallente, but apart from that, i dont think i can add anything to the discussion. Nice blog and nice work.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.23 14:57:00 -
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Theere is huge unbalance between the Marauders
Gallente one is PERFECT. Can fit all guns and extras. MAtari is good but no way can fit arties, wtf? Anyone that have ever done missions in matari ships use arties. Ammar, ok where is the damage? Good PG etc.. but no damage? Caldari, similar problem to Matar one too low PG.
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Damion Zyne
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.23 14:57:00 -
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Why not scrap matari at all?
All our special race bonus is freely given to any other race. Web bonus, shieled boost bonus and target painter bonus (not that we ever wanted this bonus anyway).
Now you say that this is not true and that we are the only ones to get a speed bonus.... on the Black Ops Phoon with the extremly high mass that is. A ship designed to use guns ... big guns... with crap tracking. Right, thats a great bonus.
The thing I always liked on matari ships is the diversity. Takes some training time, but hey, these ships are fun. Now lets have a look at all the new ships we got so far and we are about to get.
Maelstrom - all guns, all shield Broadsword - kind of all guns, all shield Phanter - all guns (T1 hull even had a missiles bonus), ok, give you that, its a gimped armor tank Vargur - all guns and we are even kind of restricted to AC due to PG, all shield
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.23 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 23/10/2007 14:59:25 By and large I'm impressed with the ships presented. However, there is one (glaring) exception: the widow.
Why, you ask?
Simple: an effective widow, like an effective scorpion, will not be running much of a tank (and will not have the resistances built into the recons). Unfortunately, at the same time its jam bonus is very weak. There's a reason you no longer see scorpions in PvP, rarely see blackbirds, and even see the falcon only on rare occasions. The one exception to the rule of the Caldari EW boats being missing from PvP is the rook, and the reason is simple: it can still jam effectively, unlike the others. Its jam strength bonus is 20% instead of 10%, resulting in a ship with an effective EW tank, unlike the others (whose jamming will break frequently).
Simple fix: increase its jam strength bonus to the same as the rook's: 20%/level.
In other news: OMFG at the panther having the same slot layout as the machariel and also a bonus to velocity. It'll be like a mach without having to spend ridiculous amounts of ISK, not to mention the fact that it'll be able to use the jump portal generator, cloak, and jump drive.
P.S. I love my machariel. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:00:00 -
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Im months and months away from even hoping to fly a Black Ops BS - but I would agree with many here; they need to be able to warp while cloaked.
This ability would justify what will surely be a mighty price tag.
C.
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Donathan Slade
Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Raldor Marchander I'm disappointed by the drone bays on the Marauders. How are they supposed to deploy for longer periods of time without room for spare drones? I thought the whole idea of introducing bandwidth was to increase the size of drone bays for spare drones or alternate drone types.
yes, for "drone" based ships to allow for more versatility. :P -=-=-=- Kay Korp - Recruiting
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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:04:00 -
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May as well remove the hi-slots and damage bonuses from the black-ops ships. I doubt in their current state they will ever see combat.
The Marauders look great... at least the Kronos and Golem do.
However the Golem (and even the Raven) is going to pretty much pwnface with the current state of the torpedo "nerf" dealing out similar damage to a blaster fitted Kronos at 30kms. That is just not good.
Also Amarr. Don't Amarr ships already get the cap use bonus to off-set the general power of lasers compared to other turrets? In effect meaning that Amarr ships get a turret bonus but need cap-use bonus to sustain them. The shift to 4 turrets with 100% damage bonus means you get your turret bonus for free, making the +5% cap the icing on the cake.
I'm no expert on Amarr battleships, but if the ship appears broken despite this the problem doesn't lay with the ship but with the weapons system.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf May as well remove the hi-slots and damage bonuses from the black-ops ships. I doubt in their current state they will ever see combat.
Speak for yourself. I already have plans for redeemer.
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Also Amarr. Don't Amarr ships already get the cap use bonus to off-set the general power of lasers compared to other turrets? In effect meaning that Amarr ships get a turret bonus but need cap-use bonus to sustain them. The shift to 4 turrets with 100% damage bonus means you get your turret bonus for free, making the +5% cap the icing on the cake.
Another clueless guy. It is EXACTLY same as apoc. Check bonuses on both ships.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 23/10/2007 15:10:05
Originally by: Cailais they need to be able to warp while cloaked
No they don't. That would be called a solopwnmobile.
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf May as well remove the hi-slots and damage bonuses from the black-ops ships. I doubt in their current state they will ever see combat.
lol, speak for yourself. The sin looks excellent.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Damion Zyne Why not scrap matari at all?
All our special race bonus is freely given to any other race. Web bonus, shieled boost bonus and target painter bonus (not that we ever wanted this bonus anyway).
Now you say that this is not true and that we are the only ones to get a speed bonus.... on the Black Ops Phoon with the extremly high mass that is. A ship designed to use guns ... big guns... with crap tracking. Right, thats a great bonus.
The thing I always liked on matari ships is the diversity. Takes some training time, but hey, these ships are fun. Now lets have a look at all the new ships we got so far and we are about to get.
Maelstrom - all guns, all shield Broadsword - kind of all guns, all shield Phanter - all guns (T1 hull even had a missiles bonus), ok, give you that, its a gimped armor tank Vargur - all guns and we are even kind of restricted to AC due to PG, all shield
Thank you !
This some kind of joke? The new matari ships are awesome.
Best frigate in the game hands down. A large autocannon ship with a falloff bonus full turrets, and a damage bonus?[60km falloff on barrage anyone?] 6/6/4 rupture?!?!?! A cloaking battleship with a velocity bonus on the fastest and lightest?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Damion Zyne Why not scrap matari at all?
All our special race bonus is freely given to any other race. Web bonus, shieled boost bonus and target painter bonus (not that we ever wanted this bonus anyway).
Now you say that this is not true and that we are the only ones to get a speed bonus.... on the Black Ops Phoon with the extremly high mass that is. A ship designed to use guns ... big guns... with crap tracking. Right, thats a great bonus.
The thing I always liked on matari ships is the diversity. Takes some training time, but hey, these ships are fun. Now lets have a look at all the new ships we got so far and we are about to get.
Maelstrom - all guns, all shield Broadsword - kind of all guns, all shield Phanter - all guns (T1 hull even had a missiles bonus), ok, give you that, its a gimped armor tank Vargur - all guns and we are even kind of restricted to AC due to PG, all shield
Thank you !
This some kind of joke? The new matari ships are awesome.
Best frigate in the game hands down. A large autocannon ship with a falloff bonus full turrets, and a damage bonus?[60km falloff on barrage anyone?] 6/6/4 rupture?!?!?! A cloaking battleship with a velocity bonus on the fastest and lightest?
It would be awesome if it wad the PG to fit 4 Arties with 1 PG module. It needs at LEAST 9K PG.
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Skidblatnir
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:25:00 -
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Would be nice if the Vargur at least had the grid to fit 4x 1200mm Tech 1 artilleries. Not even that fits, with Engineering 5 and AWU 5.
With autocannons, that ships needs a mobile refinery and a mobile assembly line to be able to produce its own ammo. Maybe even two, just to keep up
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Reptzo
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:26:00 -
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Only one question, Can the warp disruption field generator be used in low sec?? and is yes, does it flag you at gates if there is no target yet?
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Cerina Natal
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kyn D'Trell Edited by: Kyn D''Trell on 23/10/2007 14:54:55 Edited by: Kyn D''Trell on 23/10/2007 14:53:11 Edited by: Kyn D''Trell on 23/10/2007 14:40:09 Can we the please get a answer from a dev on the black ops cloaking question? ATM it looks like they cant use the covert ops cloaking device, someone else already comented on how this would be a ineffective ship like bombers if so.. and i have to agree, the cost of the ship isnt worth putting it at risk warping it into a gate camp/station camp then cloaking and hoping you can move fast enough before some uber fast inty breaks your cloak.. and tbh im gunne be a little PO'd i wasted a few months training for it when it cant be used effectivly. (Yes the jump drive is a nice touch) I ghost fleet alot and pretty much any ghost fleet ive heard of, is living deep in hostile held systems and more often then not totally out gunned, the ability to warp in and out, to be able to move to where a viable target is, is just plain needed and outwieghs any cloaked speed bonus (its a battleship, cmon, your never gunna get close to a target before it warps out due to boredom). I play EVE to pvp, not to farm isk. With the cost of these ships going to be as high as everyone is saying they will be, they just wont be worth it without being able to warp into a hostile situation and get set up for the kill(s) because just like bombers, youll warp in and cloak, then like bombers youll try to move away from the spot to get safe.. and then the nano-frigs/cruisers with drones being dragged behind it will decloak you, at least bombers have a slightly better chance of getting out of range first.
I've waited 2+ years for T2 bs's, please dont let me (and the others who have waited forever for t2 bs's) down.
PS. anychances of getting gun slots on widow? insta dmg ftw PSS. what happened to t2 frieghters?
Hey M8 its pritty ovious that CCP want people to equip the BlackOps BS with a improved cloak like the bombers. Otherwise they wouldnt have specifyed that BlackOps dont have a locking penalty as a CoviCloak dont have locking penalty at all. I do think it sux with the big ass hauls this ships have they are going to be sitting ducks...really face it. BlackOps if for going in on a smash and grap op and get out fast, with the mass and agility of the BlackOps ships they will be sitting ducks especially with the power nano ships currently hold in EvE...
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
The Amarr, however, are left holding the "wtf?" stick.
After a while you get used to this. You just train gallente ships.
Yeah, we'd whine but nobody seems to care.
C.
- sig designer - eve mail
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Khan Soriano
Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:34:00 -
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I just want to point out one thing to all those who trained for Black Ops and are now disappointed by their change:
We can now use at least use a part of those skills to fly T2 freighters!!!
Sure they will be probably pricey as hell but with mission-*****s-wet-dreams-BS it'll be easy as hell making the cash.
Also... Minmatar new toys 4TW, frig+heavy dictor = WIN ----- Arbitrator - Life & Death |
Alyxa Mahan
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Teploman Paladin = apoc, which with current bonuses has the same role as kronos, but is worse in every aspect except of the tank (which is similar) = pure fail
Actually, no. Aside from the slightly better fittings (the Kronos looses 4375mw with 3 turrets to the Mega, the Paladin loses 7500mw with 4 turrets to the Apoc, and with hybrids costing more tf the CPU staying the same slightly favors the Paladin), it also costs more than twice as much cap to fire the Paladins weapons, which means less cap (or time, in case of cap boosters) for the tank. And no, the cap bonus doesn't make up for that.
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Ivan Bigun
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:39:00 -
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Firstly, whats with the masses on those ships? Traditionally each race is different, Caldari the heaviest, then Amarr, Gallante and Minmatar have the lightest, most agile ships.
Now it seems Amarr have been relegated to last place together with the sluggish Caldari and Gallante have been boosted up to Minmatar agility levels.
Secondly, yet again it seems no-one on your Dev team actually play Amarr. No-one uses a webber on an Amarr BS. Pulses do not need one, and tachs would never hit anything even with dual webs. The only remotely useful type of web bonus would be range based instead of velocity. This would make more sense as Pulses are more midrange than shortrange anyway - whereas Blasters on a Kronos benefit from the velocity bonus as they are pure shortrange.
As it stands, everyone gets a fantastic new BS to use, except your favourite punching bag the Amarr race who yet again lose out.
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker Edited by: Elmicker on 23/10/2007 15:10:05
Originally by: Cailais they need to be able to warp while cloaked
No they don't. That would be called a solopwnmobile.
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf May as well remove the hi-slots and damage bonuses from the black-ops ships. I doubt in their current state they will ever see combat.
lol, speak for yourself. The sin looks excellent.
Isnt the Carrier *cough* a 'solo pwnmobile' aswell though?
Nah just pulling your chain, I dont like the carrier nerf either. But I would say the Black Ops should be able to war while cloaked - they otherwise very much the same as their T1 counterparts but are likely to cost 10 x as much: plus it would make small cloaked gangs of Black Ops and Recons awesome (well if the boost the pilgrim it will )
C.
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:40:00 -
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One other quibble: how the hell are the marauders going to be of any use vs. Guristas with their low sensor strength? -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Garrakh
Originally by: Max Teranous What's the reasoning behind the lack of grid on the T2 tempest? Currently with those published stats, a Vargur needs to use 2 x RCU II just to fit 4 x 1400mm II howie's, and still has zero grid for any sort of tank. However a Kronos can fit 4 x 425mm II rails and still have over 5,000 grid left for a nice tank fit.
FO bonus + Web bonus + gimped grid = Autocannons
But the gallente marauder is not limited same way. Neither the Ammar one etc.. why is that? Why the Vargur is the only one that has the weaposn PRe selected by the devs? Come on, the maelstrom tha everyone uses as AC ship has PG to fit a dozen Arties while the vargur has no PG. WTF? No one do missions with AC!
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Rosa Rosette
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth One other quibble: how the hell are the marauders going to be of any use vs. Guristas with their low sensor strength?
NPC jamming is chance based, was allready answered by a dev on page two i think
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Garrakh
Originally by: Max Teranous What's the reasoning behind the lack of grid on the T2 tempest? Currently with those published stats, a Vargur needs to use 2 x RCU II just to fit 4 x 1400mm II howie's, and still has zero grid for any sort of tank. However a Kronos can fit 4 x 425mm II rails and still have over 5,000 grid left for a nice tank fit.
FO bonus + Web bonus + gimped grid = Autocannons
But the gallente marauder is not limited same way. Neither the Ammar one etc.. why is that? Why the Vargur is the only one that has the weaposn PRe selected by the devs? Come on, the maelstrom tha everyone uses as AC ship has PG to fit a dozen Arties while the vargur has no PG. WTF? No one do missions with AC!
I will GLADLY swap an ability to fit tachys for 10% opti/lvl or damage bonus on paladin tbfh.
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Trass
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Trishan
Originally by: Serenity Black i cannot see who will use a Golem for missions: - it will be more expensive than a cnr - it has less firepower than a cnr
Its a T2 version of a T1 ship. Its not a T2 version of a faction ship.
Its a T2 version doing dmg like T1 version which cost 8-10x less.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Trass Its a T2 version doing dmg like T1 version which cost 8-10x less.
Yes, but it'll tank at the same level as the T1 version fitted with mods worth 10-20x the cost of the ship. So it balances out.
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Ed Gein
Dimir Machinations
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:48:00 -
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Marauders.. /sigh
There are no PVP bs's in the tech 2 bracket now. There is no reason to fly a Marauder over a normal tech 1 BS for normal pvp operations.
oh well, typical --------------------------------------------------------------------- What do you call the person that brings a gun to a knife fight?
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ed Gein Marauders.. /sigh
There are no PVP bs's in the tech 2 bracket now. There is no reason to fly a Marauder over a normal tech 1 BS for normal pvp operations.
oh well, typical
Except for Kronos for 1v1 "omgpwn" combat ;p
The others? Id take on with geddon tbh.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Ed Gein Marauders.. /sigh
There are no PVP bs's in the tech 2 bracket now. There is no reason to fly a Marauder over a normal tech 1 BS for normal pvp operations.
oh well, typical
Except for Kronos for 1v1 "omgpwn" combat ;p
The others? Id take on with geddon tbh.
Exaclty.. Wt hell is wrong with the balance guys? Are they so blind they cannot see how much more powerfull the Kronos is when compared to anythign else?
The golen is not bad as a bait ship sicne it nows take over the maelstrom title as the heaviest tank.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Samiloth Justinian
legion of qui Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:56:00 -
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No covert ops cloak on the Black Op? Come on, that must be a typo, right?
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3Fingered Pete
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Posted - 2007.10.23 15:56:00 -
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I'm amazed the Paladin didn't get a bonus to mining lasers tbh, seeing as thats all the Apoc is good for.
Sort your crap out CCP and get someone who actually uses Amarr ships into your Dev department. Amarr were always meant to be BIG GUNS and BIG TANKS. Surely thats nice and easy for you to remember. As it stands the Abaddon outshines the Paladin in every way except the damn cargo bay.
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