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Lord Starwolf
Caldari Kodan Armada
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Posted - 2007.10.25 04:16:00 -
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Man, I've been watching the paladin waiting for the day I would see the stats... I was under the impression they would be somewhat like the nightmare revamped stats... what a letdown. I just couldn't log into Eve since I've read about this... Still the same crappy apoc we had before. I was hoping this would be the savior of the amarr lineup... I hate saying this, but I've waited years for something to be done about Amarr, and I'm growing tired. No, you can't have my stuff.
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Zana Kito
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.25 04:23:00 -
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Kronos vs Paladin. Same ship layout and design.
Both tank similarly, yet one ship is faster, more agile, has a much bigger drone bay, and does 40% more dps. You can guess which one that is.
Absurd. |
Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2007.10.25 04:30:00 -
[153]
I figured it out, how to Fix amarr without actually doint anything to the ships.
Cut the build cost of all amarrian ships by half, problem solved. The ships are worth what their abilities cost.
harbinger- 15m (half a cane) Geddon - 25m (only one valued a bit low) apoc - 50m (a bit high, but think of it as a super mining/logistics ship) abaddon - 75m (what its worth about the same as a mega)
paladin - 250m (cut to 1/4 price, but honestly i wouldn't buy one) Devoter - 7.5m (less damage than its t1 counterpart) -------------
fixed for greater eve content |
Lavondyss
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.25 04:32:00 -
[154]
I'm used to Amarrian disappointment. Signed.
"Roadkill squirrel remembered as frantic, indecisive." |
Lisento Slaven
Amarr BAD ATTITUDES
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Posted - 2007.10.25 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zana Kito Kronos vs Paladin. Same ship layout and design.
Both tank similarly, yet one ship is faster, more agile, has a much bigger drone bay, and does 40% more dps. You can guess which one that is.
Absurd.
This is what irritated me.
The only ships I find myself flying any more out of the Amarrian line are the Sacrilege and the Purifier. I'd probably fly the Damnation but I'm too lazy to buy one and fit it up.
Note how none of those ships use lasers =P ---
Put in space whales!
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Mr Bodacious
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.10.25 04:54:00 -
[156]
Originally by: The Mormegil aslong as it comes with a bubble and a hearthstone im happy
HAMMER OF JUSTICE!!!
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Mara Kell
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Posted - 2007.10.25 05:10:00 -
[157]
/signed
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2007.10.25 05:42:00 -
[158]
/SIGNED and /SIGNED and /SIGNED again
I really don't know what's wrong lately with ship designers, but honestly, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY ... What the hell is going on?????
Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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Catelco
Segunda Fundacion O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.10.25 07:07:00 -
[159]
/signed
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.25 07:25:00 -
[160]
Didn't somebody from CCP recently say something along the lines of changing the Apoc so it fills a new role, thereby actually making it useful and/or worth thinking about? ---
Join BH-DL |
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kessah
Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.10.25 08:18:00 -
[161]
signed -------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
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Rutefly
Amarr Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2007.10.25 08:21:00 -
[162]
Originally by: cal nereus Didn't somebody from CCP recently say something along the lines of changing the Apoc so it fills a new role, thereby actually making it useful and/or worth thinking about?
Theyre fitting the apoc with tractorbeam and salvager fitting bonus i think. Lets see if cargo space gets some loving too.
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Steakkbone
Helios Incorporated Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.25 08:31:00 -
[163]
Signed. What a joke.
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K0K0 PuFFS
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Posted - 2007.10.25 08:39:00 -
[164]
not even amarr, but after killing many of them. /signed
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DoctorBautz
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Posted - 2007.10.25 08:54:00 -
[165]
i do not understand the guys at ccp:
1. Tux found out that Amarr need a boost and the Apoc needs something like a roletwist. he even mentioned that the problem is somehow connected to the lasers. 2. The balancing guys stated, that they first need to know how to handle nos (nosnerf) before the can look into laserchanges or amarr changes in generall.
nos got changed and it will stay that way.
so it would be the perfect time for ccp to balance/modify amarr. but what happens instead?
carrier nerf - dam too much flames - so they change it into "carrier nerf soon" drones nerf - eos turret nerf etc... (nerf gallente to boost amarr?)
and then they release the t2 ships with the loladin! crappy base hull with sugar coating lol.
on the other hand they could just exchange the 2 typicall apoc bonus once the know which role they want to give the apoc.
its a punch in the face that the paladin and the kronos do the same but kronos does it way better!So thats your view of balance?
sorry for typos and wall of text
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Sakhr Otaktay
Amarr The Funkalistic SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:05:00 -
[166]
/signed
amarr is costing me millions in boosters per week :) ------ Zombies! Aliens! Vampires! Dinosaurs! |
Tar Kara
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:18:00 -
[167]
/signed
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Gagarish
Amarr VVS Corporition Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:43:00 -
[168]
/signed
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Talla Hurzin
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Posted - 2007.10.25 10:51:00 -
[169]
/signed /signed /signed /signed!
Don't nerf the Arbi either. There is NOTHING wrong with it. Infact it is one of the very very few(3) good tech 1 Amarrian ships, which isn't saying much honestly.
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RossP Zoyka
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Posted - 2007.10.25 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Talla Hurzin /signed /signed /signed /signed!
Don't nerf the Arbi either. There is NOTHING wrong with it. Infact it is one of the very very few(3) good tech 1 Amarrian ships, which isn't saying much honestly.
Its good cause it doesn't use lasers man
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Alexace
Gallente Bright New Dawn Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: RossP Zoyka
Originally by: Talla Hurzin /signed /signed /signed /signed!
Don't nerf the Arbi either. There is NOTHING wrong with it. Infact it is one of the very very few(3) good tech 1 Amarrian ships, which isn't saying much honestly.
Its good cause it doesn't use lasers man
Sad but true.
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Thimn Witt
Amarr the oNe Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.25 12:01:00 -
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I can't understand the Paladin. You want us to have a mission running ship, give us what we need.
4 Siege Launchers 100% bonus to damage 10% flight time per level 7.5% Armor Rep bonus 10% reduction in Remote Armor Reps cap need 5% Cap per level.
This is would be a great ship to fly in Missions and a great support ship for pvp. We have seen how effective rockets and HAMs have been on our smaller ships. Let us have the same progression in our BS line.
We need a BS that stands out and apart from our other BS. As it stand right now we have 5 BS with the exact same role. Load up the lasers and fire! And they all do just about the same amount of damage.
CCP you have the ability to help change the Amarr ships into a proud vessel to fly. We Amarr are proud people. We believe god will see us through in all things. Make us proud to fly our ships and not curse them for their deficiencies.
/Signed
Director of Slave Operations There is no job my slaves can't do, it is just a question of how many of them it will take and the right motivation required! |
MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.10.25 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: AlexCA /signed
Alex has posted, i must jump onto the bandwagon
but yeah, bs5, large energy 5 and worthlessness 5 here
/signed |
Dlardrageth
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.10.25 12:08:00 -
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Nerf Amarr!
Then CCP gets rid of those pesky Amarrs which seem to annoy them for some unknown reason.
And we get Amarr as a NPC race, no more new characters to be made.
And I could sell my then uber-rare Amarr character for bazillions of ISK and start training a race where I don't ask myself repeatedly why the hell I had to choose it at character creation...
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.25 12:11:00 -
[175]
LAsers are NOT bad when you have a high number of turrets AND damage bonus. Like harbringer and abaddon.
T1 ships have issue that with only 2 bonuses its hard to have both reasonable cap and good damage.
But t2 ships have more bonuses sshoudl not be hard to balance it!!!
Just get that damm web bonus on the paladin and replace for a 5% damage bonus per level. I doubt anyone would complain after that.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Gozmoth
Amarr Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.25 12:13:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Zana Kito Kronos vs Paladin. Same ship layout and design.
Both tank similarly, yet one ship is faster, more agile, has a much bigger drone bay, and does 40% more dps. You can guess which one that is.
Absurd.
+1
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Dillius Archania
Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.10.25 12:15:00 -
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/signed
What should I start crosstraining anyways? About 10mil SP in Amarr, and I can't decide which other race to start working on so I feel like I'm accomplishing something.
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Xenos Khanid
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Posted - 2007.10.25 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kersh Marelor Edited by: Kersh Marelor on 24/10/2007 10:29:36
Originally by: "Benn Helmsman" Make apoc a torp ship, and make the paladin a T2 torp ship, since golem is a T2 cruise missile ship.
The way I see it, apoc is the representation of Amarrian way of waging wars on other and crushing the infidels, at least that's what it's supposed to be when you read the description in-game: '...these golden, metallic monstrosities are still feared and respected as enduring symbols of Amarrian might.'
Well, that description let me remember another one, responsible for the waste of a year. ...these holy warriors, swinging their mighty hammers are always found on the frontlines, leading their allies into battle...dunno if i just remember it right, but that was something like that..
i guess im getting a dejavue...
PS: sry for bad english :)
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.25 13:02:00 -
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I will give a fe w VERY VERY simple ideas ,,,
first. The cap advantage of the Apoc would be nice. If the Apoc had PG and CPU to fit a Dual LAR tank + megapulse MWD and Cap injector. But it does not have!!! about 40 more CPU and 1 K more PG.
Also the damage issue. INcrease abit its drone bay and Bandwidht. 100m at least.
Ok not huge change right? very easy to implement and we have a ship that is still not great but at least you can fit it and use the only advantage it has ( lots of cap)
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
LVirus
Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.25 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Thimn Witt I can't understand the Paladin. You want us to have a mission running ship, give us what we need.
4 Siege Launchers 100% bonus to damage 10% flight time per level 7.5% Armor Rep bonus 10% reduction in Remote Armor Reps cap need 5% Cap per level.
This is would be a great ship to fly in Missions and a great support ship for pvp. We have seen how effective rockets and HAMs have been on our smaller ships. Let us have the same progression in our BS line.
We need a BS that stands out and apart from our other BS. As it stand right now we have 5 BS with the exact same role. Load up the lasers and fire! And they all do just about the same amount of damage.
CCP you have the ability to help change the Amarr ships into a proud vessel to fly. We Amarr are proud people. We believe god will see us through in all things. Make us proud to fly our ships and not curse them for their deficiencies.
/Signed
Hell yeah id train amarr BS5 for that. I used to fly only caldari ships but had to train for sacri/damnation cos they kick the **** out of caldari missile boats. I really dont care anymore, i just want 1 decent BS that i can use in pvp.
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