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Mr Hyde113
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:09:00 -
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Quote:We have made the following changes to Assault Ships: All Assault Ships now have a new Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty
The following changes have been made to the Retribution New bonus: 7.5% bonus to Small Energy Turret tracking speed per skill level. +1 mid slot +15 CPU +200 armor hp
The following changes have been made to the Vengeance New bonus: 5% bonus to Missile Launcher Rate of Fire per level. +1 high slot +10 CPU
The following changes have been made to the Harpy New bonus: 5% bonus to shield resistances. +1 low slot +200 shield hp +10 CPU
The following changes have been made to Hawk New bonus: 5% bonus to Missile Launcher Rate of Fire per level. +1 mid slot +10 CPU
The following changes have been made to the Enyo New bonus: +5% damage changed to 10% bonus to damage +1 mid slot +10 CPU
The following changes have been made to the Ishkur New bonus: 10% bonus to drone hitpoints per level +1 low slot
The following changes have been made to the Jaguar New bonus: 7.5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Tracking per level +1 low slot +200 Shield +10 CPU
The following changes have been made to the Wolf New bonus: 7.5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Tracking per level +1 low slot +200 armor hp +10 CPU
Can someone explain to me why all races received some kind of base HP buff except Gallente? Oh yeah and Minmatar somehow got both their AF's HP buffed, extra slots, fitting bonuses, and new bonuses?
Next, the Ishkur was given a BS Drone HP bonus, no fitting buff, and no HP buff, the Enyo had a bonus modified to 10% and no HP buff...
The Wolf now has more base armor HP than the enyo, AND has a significant base speed advantage.
I know these are generally welcome changes to the AF class (especially the Retri having 2 mids now) but i think that people were so hung up that they were getting buffed at all, that they ignored the unfairness.
Am I missing something?
Thoughts? Rage? Corrections? |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
103
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:16:00 -
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hace you actually flown them all yet?
I hgave and they got just what they needed, maybe one PG to all ships with a new slot would be sawesome, but still, they are ballenced way better now. |
Ahrieman
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
14
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:20:00 -
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I don't think the unfairness is directed at gallente., which is what you seem to suggest. The new Enyo can put out over 500 dps. That's pretty insane for a frigate class vessel. I think it's doing all right. The Jag probably got nerfed (by proxy) more than any other AF.
It's good to know that with the "balancing," an AF gang can **** a BC gang I scam on my main |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
687
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:23:00 -
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AFs are still useless because they didn't fix the core problems with them. They're still frigates with crap DPS and a paper tank even though they "boosted the tank" (lol what kind of useless **** is that). Destroyers are putting out 500+ DPS these days and frigates just get instapopped. And that doesn't even count that the moment that a frigate gets shot at by medium guns it just INSTANTLY DIES - INSTAPOP!!!
I can't believe CCP thinks they "boosted" AFs when there's still so much room left to go! And I can't believe that CCP hates Caldari so much. They didn't even nerf the Jag and Wolf whee Winmatar possibly useful AFs1!
Seriously, here's how AFs perform these days: http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3187
TOTAL.
****.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Grog Drinker
The Tuskers
20
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:27:00 -
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Putting an AF in a blender with three of the absolute best frigate killers is hardly a test of their effectiveness...
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
687
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:30:00 -
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NO DUDE AFs just get INSTAPOPPED1 My harpy just went "boom" when the thrasher TARGETTED ME. And it was just no fair and I think the destoryer buff went too far. They need to boost AFs with like a 50% role bonus to damage and maybe +50% shield and armor and hull or something because AFs are just sooooo baaaddddd....
Obviously the boost hasn't gone far enough so pathetic why does CCP hate Caldari? Have you noticed how ALL the Caldari turret ships just sukc???1
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Grog Drinker
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:38:00 -
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The new destroyers are indeed probably over powered for their price.
http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12226673
Instead of buffing destroyers CCP should have probably introduced new T2 combat oriented destroyers that act like current destroyers do. Then the price could match their abilities. |
Cambarus
Baros Reloaded
122
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:39:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:NO DUDE AFs just get INSTAPOPPED1 My harpy just went "boom" when the thrasher TARGETTED ME. And it was just no fair and I think the destoryer buff went too far. They need to boost AFs with like a 50% role bonus to damage and maybe +50% shield and armor and hull or something because AFs are just sooooo baaaddddd....
Obviously the boost hasn't gone far enough so pathetic why does CCP hate Caldari? Have you noticed how ALL the Caldari turret ships just sukc???1
-Liang It makes me sad that I honestly can't tell if you're trolling, serious, or trolling about something that seriously bothers you |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
137
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:47:00 -
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Mr Hyde113 wrote:Can someone explain to me why all races received some kind of base HP buff except Gallente? Oh yeah and Minmatar somehow got both their AF's HP buffed, extra slots, fitting bonuses, and new bonuses? Next, the Ishkur was given a BS Drone HP bonus, no fitting buff, and no HP buff, the Enyo had a bonus modified to 10% and no HP buff...
I think this is mostly because Ishkur was already awesome with plenty enough HP, giving it an extra low slot makes it borderline IMBA & OP, that drone HP buff is very useful as it only has drone bay for two flights and people will shoot your drones, it has no fitting issues, but mostly because CCP Tallest actually knows what he is doing- he balances things.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
688
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:47:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:NO DUDE AFs just get INSTAPOPPED1 My harpy just went "boom" when the thrasher TARGETTED ME. And it was just no fair and I think the destoryer buff went too far. They need to boost AFs with like a 50% role bonus to damage and maybe +50% shield and armor and hull or something because AFs are just sooooo baaaddddd....
Obviously the boost hasn't gone far enough so pathetic why does CCP hate Caldari? Have you noticed how ALL the Caldari turret ships just sukc???1
-Liang It makes me sad that I honestly can't tell if you're trolling, serious, or trolling about something that seriously bothers you
AFs totally need a buff they they totally suck and medium guns instapop them NO MATTER WHAT. You can't even go close range against medium guns because you just get webbed and scrammed and neuted and DEAD INSTAPOP INSTAPOP INSTAPOP. Ahriemann is all talking about how someone brought a pair of BCs into our 5 man AF gang and it was just POP POP POP!
AFs are total **** and need another buff because this one just wasn't good enough!!!
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Cambarus
Baros Reloaded
122
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:54:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Cambarus wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:NO DUDE AFs just get INSTAPOPPED1 My harpy just went "boom" when the thrasher TARGETTED ME. And it was just no fair and I think the destoryer buff went too far. They need to boost AFs with like a 50% role bonus to damage and maybe +50% shield and armor and hull or something because AFs are just sooooo baaaddddd....
Obviously the boost hasn't gone far enough so pathetic why does CCP hate Caldari? Have you noticed how ALL the Caldari turret ships just sukc???1
-Liang It makes me sad that I honestly can't tell if you're trolling, serious, or trolling about something that seriously bothers you AFs totally need a buff they they totally suck and medium guns instapop them NO MATTER WHAT. You can't even go close range against medium guns because you just get webbed and scrammed and neuted and DEAD INSTAPOP INSTAPOP INSTAPOP. Ahriemann is all talking about how someone brought a pair of BCs into our 5 man AF gang and it was just POP POP POP! AFs are total **** and need another buff because this one just wasn't good enough!!! -Liang Well that clears that up |
Vaine Amarr
Upright Citizens Brigade
1
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:55:00 -
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I hope this is sarcasm, otherwise Liang is suffering from a severe case of schizophrenia. |
Lili Lu
150
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:56:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Cambarus wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:NO DUDE AFs just get INSTAPOPPED1 My harpy just went "boom" when the thrasher TARGETTED ME. And it was just no fair and I think the destoryer buff went too far. They need to boost AFs with like a 50% role bonus to damage and maybe +50% shield and armor and hull or something because AFs are just sooooo baaaddddd....
Obviously the boost hasn't gone far enough so pathetic why does CCP hate Caldari? Have you noticed how ALL the Caldari turret ships just sukc???1
-Liang It makes me sad that I honestly can't tell if you're trolling, serious, or trolling about something that seriously bothers you AFs totally need a buff they they totally suck and medium guns instapop them NO MATTER WHAT. You can't even go close range against medium guns because you just get webbed and scrammed and neuted and DEAD INSTAPOP INSTAPOP INSTAPOP. Ahriemann is all talking about how someone brought a pair of BCs into our 5 man AF gang and it was just POP POP POP! AFs are total **** and need another buff because this one just wasn't good enough!!! -Liang You forgot to reiterate that CCP hates Caldari and loves Minmatar and it won't ever change and it is so infuriating that they would present a game to the public and sucker everyone into rolling Caldari and then laugh as they hand them substandard ships so they all die and then also nerf the ships of the persecuted Caldari even more so they can laugh some more at Caldari players and take our money this is so unfair. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
688
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:58:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Cambarus wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:NO DUDE AFs just get INSTAPOPPED1 My harpy just went "boom" when the thrasher TARGETTED ME. And it was just no fair and I think the destoryer buff went too far. They need to boost AFs with like a 50% role bonus to damage and maybe +50% shield and armor and hull or something because AFs are just sooooo baaaddddd....
Obviously the boost hasn't gone far enough so pathetic why does CCP hate Caldari? Have you noticed how ALL the Caldari turret ships just sukc???1
-Liang It makes me sad that I honestly can't tell if you're trolling, serious, or trolling about something that seriously bothers you AFs totally need a buff they they totally suck and medium guns instapop them NO MATTER WHAT. You can't even go close range against medium guns because you just get webbed and scrammed and neuted and DEAD INSTAPOP INSTAPOP INSTAPOP. Ahriemann is all talking about how someone brought a pair of BCs into our 5 man AF gang and it was just POP POP POP! AFs are total **** and need another buff because this one just wasn't good enough!!! -Liang You forgot to reiterate that CCP hates Caldari and loves Minmatar and it won't ever change and it is so infuriating that they would present a game to the public and sucker everyone into rolling Caldari and then laugh as they hand them substandard ships so they all die and then also nerf the ships of the persecuted Caldari even more so they can laugh some more at Caldari players and take our money this is so unfair.
DUDE I KNOW. WHY DOSE CCP HAET US!!!!! Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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oldmanst4r
oldmanst4r's Corporation
31
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:09:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Lili Lu wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Cambarus wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:NO DUDE AFs just get INSTAPOPPED1 My harpy just went "boom" when the thrasher TARGETTED ME. And it was just no fair and I think the destoryer buff went too far. They need to boost AFs with like a 50% role bonus to damage and maybe +50% shield and armor and hull or something because AFs are just sooooo baaaddddd....
Obviously the boost hasn't gone far enough so pathetic why does CCP hate Caldari? Have you noticed how ALL the Caldari turret ships just sukc???1
-Liang It makes me sad that I honestly can't tell if you're trolling, serious, or trolling about something that seriously bothers you AFs totally need a buff they they totally suck and medium guns instapop them NO MATTER WHAT. You can't even go close range against medium guns because you just get webbed and scrammed and neuted and DEAD INSTAPOP INSTAPOP INSTAPOP. Ahriemann is all talking about how someone brought a pair of BCs into our 5 man AF gang and it was just POP POP POP! AFs are total **** and need another buff because this one just wasn't good enough!!! -Liang You forgot to reiterate that CCP hates Caldari and loves Minmatar and it won't ever change and it is so infuriating that they would present a game to the public and sucker everyone into rolling Caldari and then laugh as they hand them substandard ships so they all die and then also nerf the ships of the persecuted Caldari even more so they can laugh some more at Caldari players and take our money this is so unfair. DUDE I KNOW. WHY DOSE CCP HAET US!!!!!
Internet sarcasm is the best kind.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
688
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:16:00 -
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oldmanst4r wrote: Internet sarcasm is the best kind.
You have to be REAAALLLYYY over the top or people start to wonder if you're trolling. Also, being quad scrammed + triple webbed and *STILL* raping an entire BC + BS fleet last night with my Harpy was pretty cute.
-Liang
Ed:
claw claw wolf wolf slicer slicer ishkur stabber fleet stabber fleet stabber fleet vexor navy ferox tornado raven +20 man gang we ran from when they were hitting grid
vs
harpy jag dram vengeance republic fleet firetail hurricane
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Zarnak Wulf
CTRL-Q
221
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:25:00 -
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All we need now is for Naomi to support Liang. Or a pig to fly. That would be awesome.
Edit: Your Harpy fit is now being reverse engineered by the best of Minmatar. It might take some time.... |
Zarnak Wulf
CTRL-Q
222
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:05:00 -
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To OP:
An Enyo with a damage control and a reactive nano plate has the same EHP as a Wolf with a damage control, reactive nano plate, and a 200mm plate. It also outdamages a Wolf by 30% comparing faction to faction. More importantly, it outdamages a Wolf throughout scramble range using Null no matter what ammo the Wolf uses. The Wolf can shoot farther outside of scramble range and the Enyo can leave if it doesn't like it. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
277
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:08:00 -
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jesus you people fall for anything |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:13:00 -
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What someone has missed, I think, is that gallente frigates often use the hull as a significant part of their tank. (or as their entire tank, in the case of the taranis ) |
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
688
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:19:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:What someone has missed, I think, is that gallente frigates often use the hull as a significant part of their tank. (or as their entire tank, in the case of the taranis )
You know, this is actually a really cool feature for Gallente frigs. If nothing else it makes for freaking awesome fraps footage because you hit like a mack truck and end every fight in structure.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
369
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:30:00 -
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edit: I hate these forums sometimes ffs [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
369
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:31:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:AFs totally need a buff they they totally suck and medium guns instapop them NO MATTER WHAT. You can't even go close range against medium guns because you just get webbed and scrammed and neuted and DEAD INSTAPOP INSTAPOP INSTAPOP. Ahriemann is all talking about how someone brought a pair of BCs into our 5 man AF gang and it was just POP POP POP!
AFs are total **** and need another buff because this one just wasn't good enough!!!
-Liang
all that POP POP POP POPPITY POP INSTA POP POP POP reminds me of this. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
688
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:32:00 -
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Hmmm, that's a fair assessment of how AFs just go poppity pop pop pop to medium sized guns! ITS NOT FAIR!
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
369
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:39:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Hmmm, that's a fair assessment of how AFs just go poppity pop pop pop to medium sized guns! ITS NOT FAIR! -Liang
in all fairness and (some) seriousness, I still think that the retri needs the 5th turret. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
688
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:43:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:in all fairness and (some) seriousness, I still think that the retri needs the 5th turret.
Uh, seriously?? I was looking at the Retri and was pretty floored ... I am actually planning on sporting Vengeances, Hawks, and Retris soon. Though the Harpy is just lolariously OP at this point. That extra slot is just ridiculous.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
198
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:44:00 -
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Yep af-s needs another boost , so i can sell my stockpile for more isk ^^ |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
369
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:50:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Grimpak wrote:in all fairness and (some) seriousness, I still think that the retri needs the 5th turret. Uh, seriously?? I was looking at the Retri and was pretty floored ... I am actually planning on sporting Vengeances, Hawks, and Retris soon. Though the Harpy is just lolariously OP at this point. That extra slot is just ridiculous. -Liang
tbh I prefered a 5th turret to the 2nd midslot.
that thing has "I'M A ******* MOBILE TURRET PLATFORM!" all over it.
but that's personal opinion. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Cuko
Deadman W0nderland
7
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:59:00 -
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Ranked: Edited (Fail typos**)
Close range (under 9,000m) - (1) Ishkur (able to engage most anything no matter the set-up) (2) Vengeance (3) Enyo (4) Hawk (5) Harpy (mirrors Enyo, minus tracking) (6) Jaguar (everything can be done better by ships above (alot like a Harpy), minus capless weapon system, tracking and superior mobility) (7) Wolf (alot of assault ships are able to do the same or better and have superior active defence set-ups) (8) Retribution
Long range (20,000m or more) - (1) Retribution (2) Harpy (May be superior to a Retribution @ range, with superior defences, dual stasis webifier or dual propulsion) (3) Hawk (standard missile launcher and superior defences) (4) Jaguar (5) Wolf
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Umega
Solis Mensa
59
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Posted - 2012.01.25 21:36:00 -
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Posting in a Liang troll thread.
As was stated.. Gallente's hull hps = win. You should complain why the retri got a hp buff over the Matars (I'm not complaining about that tho).
I still don't have experince yet with these ingame.. neither fighting against nor flying yet, so speaking strictly from past experince of before, and what I eyeball now after.
The Harpy looks like it might take king of frigs. Still curious to see how one of Liang's handles a Daredevil and Cruor piloted/fit well.
I made a 400 dps dual-prop face tanking Enyo on eft that I can't wait to try, looks like a lot of fun. (I said fun, not optimum fit)
Retri has a point now and I think best dps dmg projection out to point, plus a hardy tank.
Slap some speed on hawk's low, dual small cap booster, medium shield boost fit rocket kiter immune to T2 light drone dps.
Vengence still looks like best scram/web tackler out of the lot, minus speed to jag.
You know if anything.. the jag took to the biggest hit.. simply by what others got and not being directly nerfed at all. Thinking I might just revert my jags to arty kiters and knock off the web/scram tackler role.. maybe idk yet.
Wolf is still alpha beast.. can have respectable numbers across the board all around, same as always.
Not an Ishtur fan, not a droneboat fan period. I don't know how to comment on it. Was well respected and annoying before, any buff just adds to that since the others can't really step on its toes to the extent the others do to the jag.
I'd say the 8 of'em look more balanced and closer together in overall abilities and being capable than before. Much closer knit options instead of the stereotype (false in some reguards) of just jag/ish/ven and nuttn else. |
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