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Xao Wen
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:12:00 -
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Ok, so the EOS bonus to drone has been nerfed to oblivion : from 50m3/lvl, it is on Sisi, it is now 15m3/lvl. 250 at lvl 4.
On the plus side, it's base drone bay is now 150, so it's 210 at lvl 4. Not big of a nerf. But wait.
The bandwith has been set to 75. 75, that means 5 meds, or a bizarre mix of unbonused drones (2H, 2M and 1L). Ok.
And, now, looking closely, I see that it as lost TWO, not one, but TWO ******* TURRET HARDPOINTS!!! Only 5 out of 7.
Well? It was slightly overpowered, ok, now it is just pathetic. Please, CCP, if you don't want it to field 5 Heavy drones (without bonus), ok fine, but give us back our turrets! Or give us bonus like the myrm to drones...
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:13:00 -
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I'm not in game right now but I am pretty sure that it has 5 turrets on tranquility.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mourn Navarre I'm not in game right now but I am pretty sure that it has 5 turrets on tranquility.
Wrong. 7. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |
shinsushi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Xao Wen Ok, so the EOS bonus to drone has been nerfed to oblivion : from 50m3/lvl, it is on Sisi, it is now 15m3/lvl. 250 at lvl 4.
On the plus side, it's base drone bay is now 150, so it's 210 at lvl 4. Not big of a nerf. But wait.
The bandwith has been set to 75. 75, that means 5 meds, or a bizarre mix of unbonused drones (2H, 2M and 1L). Ok.
And, now, looking closely, I see that it as lost TWO, not one, but TWO ******* TURRET HARDPOINTS!!! Only 5 out of 7.
Well? It was slightly overpowered, ok, now it is just pathetic. Please, CCP, if you don't want it to field 5 Heavy drones (without bonus), ok fine, but give us back our turrets! Or give us bonus like the myrm to drones...
Slightly overpowered?
HEy, with 5 turrets and 5 medium drones, the EOS will still be the # damage dealing fleet command ship won't it? How many DPS is it still pumping out anyway?
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:15:00 -
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now check damage from 3 ogres... 180 or so dps iirc. Plus 7 guns with 25% damage bonus = a lot. Compare it now to claymore/damnation/vulture. Now you should understand why eos is set BACK IN LINE with others.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 23/10/2007 20:20:51
They should make it 225 m dronebay, and change the +dronebay bonus to +10% drone damage/HP. That would be 180*1.5=270 DPS from drones with heavies, or 200*1.5=300 DPS with the 2/2/1 mix. That keeps almost the dame DPS from drones as previously (300 DPS with 5 heavies), but makes it more versatile.
Keep the turret nerf tho'. It's a fleet command, it should HAVE to fit at least one or two of the links instead of just being able to go full gank. Heck, make it max 4 turrets. _
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:18:00 -
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Every seconary command ship of the other raced did less damage then the other exept for the EOS. So in my opinion it gets in line with the other races.
Stop whining, it needed a nerf.
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Xao Wen
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:20:00 -
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Compare the tanks too. Have you seen the monster tank on those ships? Now the Eos has a 5 slot tank (yay), no drones, no guns. It's not "inline", it's "reducing to worthlessness".
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Incantare
Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:20:00 -
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Lol. About damn time it got rebalanced. It's a fleet command, not a field command, its role is to give bonuses not be a solo ship. Compared to the Damnation, Vulture and Claymore, the Eos was way out of line.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/10/2007 20:21:25 Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/10/2007 20:21:10
Originally by: Xao Wen Compare the tanks too. Have you seen the monster tank on those ships? Now the Eos has a 5 slot tank (yay), no drones, no guns. It's not "inline", it's "reducing to worthlessness".
Uh? EOS has one of hardest tanks to *****, surely better than claymore (unless sleip faction fits), comparable to damnation (better in longer run). Only vulture has best fleet command tank.
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Bailian Moxtain
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Bailian Moxtain on 23/10/2007 20:23:12 eos is the ship i love most in eve... ive spent lots of time skilling for it, fighting with it, and loosing it :P
if this is true, ccp have destroyed the whole ship . Looks like i have to start to fly astarte from now on... The eos wont be able to do anything more than tanking anyways (whining)
Edit: miss-spelling ftw
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/10/2007 20:21:25 Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/10/2007 20:21:10
Originally by: Xao Wen Compare the tanks too. Have you seen the monster tank on those ships? Now the Eos has a 5 slot tank (yay), no drones, no guns. It's not "inline", it's "reducing to worthlessness".
Uh? EOS has one of hardest tanks to *****, surely better than claymore (unless sleip faction fits), comparable to damnation (better in longer run). Only vulture has best fleet command tank.
You're on drugs. Clearly you haven't actually flown any of the above ships. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |
Kai Shinkachi
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Kai Shinkachi on 23/10/2007 20:24:59 OMFG, what is it with you people!1!!11!!! Drone boats are not overpowered....
Why? Because drones are about as durable as paper... paper damnit! Hell most ships have the power to use 5 Light drones, send those after Heavy drones and watch what happens... ice cream dumped into the sun. Or better yet, people could think and bring a smart bomb with them. One blast, one wave of drones. Honestly people drones are not that powerful. They may have some hefty damage but they're sooooooo flimsy. So come on, at least let the Eos have 100 bandwith. It is a bloody command ship that takes NEAR 50 DAYS of training to get just on the Space ship command skills (stop rolling your eyes carrier/Dread pilots, i know that is not a long time for you). But honestly. The point of the Gallente drone boats is to be better than everyone else's drone boats. And now they have the same damn bandwith as other non gallente ships? So what is the point of being Gallente special ops then? (have picked that as my starter I always have used drones... the only weapon I ever used until L4s). So basically, being gimped at startup as Gallente by picking drones is even worse now! That Gallente cannot field more drones that are more powerful than everyone else? So we might as well just give everyone drone boats then...
EDIT: This rant is not just about the Eos, which if anything needing a Tanking nerf because it can tank a planet...
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Xao Wen
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Incantare Lol. About damn time it got rebalanced. It's a fleet command, not a field command, its role is to give bonuses not be a solo ship. Compared to the Damnation, Vulture and Claymore, the Eos was way out of line.
Yet again, those ships ALL have a 6 slot tanks. Now the Eos can't do ****. And stop with those pathetic DPS calculations, it's DPS is laughable with rail, and piloting a blasterboat is quite hard. It deserved the high DPS output. Well, no need to argue with Caldari fanboys, I'd be glad to hear from Gallente command ship pilots....
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OOOSOOO
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Xao Wen Ok, so the EOS bonus to drone has been nerfed to oblivion : from 50m3/lvl, it is on Sisi, it is now 15m3/lvl. 250 at lvl 4.
On the plus side, it's base drone bay is now 150, so it's 210 at lvl 4. Not big of a nerf. But wait.
The bandwith has been set to 75. 75, that means 5 meds, or a bizarre mix of unbonused drones (2H, 2M and 1L). Ok.
And, now, looking closely, I see that it as lost TWO, not one, but TWO ******* TURRET HARDPOINTS!!! Only 5 out of 7.
Well? It was slightly overpowered, ok, now it is just pathetic. Please, CCP, if you don't want it to field 5 Heavy drones (without bonus), ok fine, but give us back our turrets! Or give us bonus like the myrm to drones...
They took the 2 turrets awat to make room for the 7th launcher on the nighthawk.
/me ducks
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Xao Wen Yet again, those ships ALL have a 6 slot tanks. Now the Eos can't do ****. And stop with those pathetic DPS calculations, it's DPS is laughable with rail, and piloting a blasterboat is quite hard. It deserved the high DPS output. Well, no need to argue with Caldari fanboys, I'd be glad to hear from Gallente command ship pilots....
And in exchange it has 1 more med slot for EW. Its reduced tank does not come without an advantage.
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Xao Wen
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel And in exchange it has 1 more med slot for EW. Its reduced tank does not come without an advantage.
Yay! We all know Ewar is great on Bboats. Painter? no. ECM? Unbonused, no. Damp? Close range : no. Tracking disrupt? You'll be far under optimal anyway... TBH that fifth midslot is completely stupid (as for the Hyperion).
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Jasai Kameron
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire now check damage from 3 ogres... 180 or so dps iirc. Plus 7 guns with 25% damage bonus = a lot. Compare it now to claymore/damnation/vulture. Now you should understand why eos is set BACK IN LINE with others.
We just agreed it had 5 turret slots. With 5 ions, 3 ogres and a mag stab you get 490 dps. Great.
Now tell me why you would fly that ship over an Astarte? Any offers? It's tank is terrible. DPS is pitiful in comparison.
Now why fly it over another Gang Ship? It loses the 15% (max) bonus to a useful gang mod boost that the others get, it has another wasted bonus boosting a 150m3 dronebay when it can only 75m3 bandwidth, and it's tank is terrible. What are you going to do? Use it as a blaster ship, while using it as a gang boosting ship and perhaps at the same time use its drone bay for logistic purposes? Not to mention that it's tank will pop at any moment, which rather defeats the whole point of a Command Ship.
You're fixated on a number. DPS. Fleet Command Ships shouldn't be caring about dps. Balancing the dps and capabilities between them is fine. Eos needed a nerf to dps. But it also needed a boost to being an actual Command Ship. Instead its been nerfed even further.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/10/2007 20:21:25 Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/10/2007 20:21:10
Originally by: Xao Wen Compare the tanks too. Have you seen the monster tank on those ships? Now the Eos has a 5 slot tank (yay), no drones, no guns. It's not "inline", it's "reducing to worthlessness".
Uh? EOS has one of hardest tanks to *****, surely better than claymore (unless sleip faction fits), comparable to damnation (better in longer run). Only vulture has best fleet command tank.
You're on drugs. Clearly you haven't actually flown any of the above ships.
Check killboards (actually not tri but CDA/Celes/RZR). Flown all Gall and Amarr commands myself, flown with caldari (mostly blaster vultures) and minnie (both sleip and claymore) in groups of 2-4 commands. Usually tank was vulture then eos. Claymore could tank as well but for much shorter periods of time (and as a bonus it dealt much less damage). So maybe try flying more of them before you state opinion.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:34:00 -
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The Eos still tanks pretty well (and has its inherent resistance bonuses where it counts. Kinetic and Thermal) and still does the most damage of any Fleet command ship. It's simply gone from a solopwn-machine to being in line with the other fleet commands. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jasai Kameron
Originally by: Deva Blackfire now check damage from 3 ogres... 180 or so dps iirc. Plus 7 guns with 25% damage bonus = a lot. Compare it now to claymore/damnation/vulture. Now you should understand why eos is set BACK IN LINE with others.
We just agreed it had 5 turret slots. With 5 ions, 3 ogres and a mag stab you get 490 dps. Great.
Now tell me why you would fly that ship over an Astarte? Any offers? It's tank is terrible. DPS is pitiful in comparison.
And why would you fly damnation over absolution? Dps pitiful in comparison, tank not much better (yeah its passive, you can AFK a while before you die, coz your damage wont save anyone anyways).
Eos is... FLEET command ship. Not "solopwnmobile" it was. Yeh it was cool to fly it, but it was WAY overpowered. Now its in-line with others.
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Horza Otho
Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:35:00 -
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Omg they balanced the eos :senjaya:
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Xao Wen
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 23/10/2007 20:39:55
Originally by: Xao Wen Yay! We all know Ewar is great on Bboats. Painter? no. ECM? Unbonused, no. Damp? Close range : no. Tracking disrupt? You'll be far under optimal anyway... TBH that fifth midslot is completely stupid (as for the Hyperion).
Actually 1 TD has a pretty noticeable effect at close range. It also reduces tracking significantly.
Mind you, it will not negate damage or anything near it but it will give you a bigger effect for your tank than a 6th lowslot would. Unless you are standing still, that is. And no, being webbed is not the same thing.
Originally by: Mourn Navarre b) the change means you can actually have even more drone replacements so what DPS you have doesn't go all to hell when your drones are killed.
In case of the Eos this isn't correct, it got actually now a good deal fewer replacements. In m¦ at least.
This is also about the only change which I find unreasonable with it though.
Awesome. It will also protect you against missile boats, drone boats, EWar boat, or Nos Neutra boat I think : TD are awesome! KThxbye. That 5th midslot is crap, period.
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Jasai Kameron
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire And why would you fly damnation over absolution? Dps pitiful in comparison, tank not much better (yeah its passive, you can AFK a while before you die, coz your damage wont save anyone anyways).
Eos is... FLEET command ship. Not "solopwnmobile" it was. Yeh it was cool to fly it, but it was WAY overpowered. Now its in-line with others.
Hey troll, try reading the whole post.
I JUST DID COMPARE IT TO OTHER FLEET COMMAND SHIPS. In the bit of the post you just hacked away. I was explainiig why dps isn't the important thing. Because it's a fleet command ship. And it's now underpowered at being a fleet command ship.
I even agreed it's dps needed nerfing. But heck, you're too ignorant to read a post through before flaming someone.
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hattifnatt
Gallente The Movement
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: hattifnatt on 23/10/2007 20:45:29 Comparing the eos to the other fleet commands is bull**** the others suck so hard they shouldnt even be mentioned. Seriously theres NO point at all using them unless you want to be bored to death. Edit they shouldnt nerf the eos they should boost the other fleet commands (ive only seen them being used like 2 times)
Originally by: Nicholas Barker i tackled somebody in the middle of nowhere, and told them i wouldn't leave untill they stripped on web cam. Who wants the video?
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Incantare
Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Meepie
With Mediums, 450, with a mix 500.
The other Vulture and Claymore are both capabale of doing 500 dps with better tanks than the Eos, Damnation does 400 dps with a 750 tank or an insane passive hp tank.
You're comparing an Eos with one or no damage mods to a Clay with three, aren't you?
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Asuo
The Wild Hunt M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:44:00 -
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This was needed, as stated already in here the eos out did the other link weilding command ships so needed to be toned down to be in line. -----------------------------------------------
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jasai Kameron
Then there's the whole issue of the Eos having a bonus to a terrible gang bonus, but I've already covered that in my last post...
The information warfare bonus isn't horrible at all, although it's definitely more limited than the other ones. In fleet battles an E-war squadron under the command of an Eos is, and has always been, insanely powerful. I admit that I like the Armored warfare links better, but perhaps *shock* the Gallente doesn't have to have the best (or second best) ship in every class. As a fleet commandship the Eos would still do its job well. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jasai Kameron
I JUST DID COMPARE IT TO OTHER FLEET COMMAND SHIPS. In the bit of the post you just hacked away. I was explainiig why dps isn't the important thing. Because it's a fleet command ship. And it's now underpowered at being a fleet command ship.
This:
Originally by: Jasai Kameron
Now tell me why you would fly that ship over an Astarte?
You clearly compared eos to astarte. Asking why you would fly it over astarte. And astarte is FIELD command ship. So check what you post instead of smashing keyboard in blind fury.
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I even agreed it's dps needed nerfing. But heck, you're too ignorant to read a post through before flaming someone.
Also you quoted too fast ("ill show him!") and forgot my edit. If you want uber tank go passive tank.
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Jasai Kameron
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/10/2007 20:42:29 Because 6 slot shieldtank claymores are sooooooooooo useful for small roaming gangs. Yeah it can tackle or mwd away from enemy. Thats 8 slots. Web is also useful for tackling - already 9 slots. WTB 9 midslot claymore to fit 6 slot tank.
And if you sit with fleet you dont need tank anyways.
Same for damnation. Its passive tank... so what? It will sit there doing nothing till it dies. Over longer periods of time eos will tank much more than damnation + deal way more damage. EVEN after the nerf.
EDIT: of if you seriously want "only tank" ship - go for passive shieldtank eos. Kkthxbye
"Doing nothing"? It's a fleet command ship! Its role is to give bonuses to other ships. That's the whole point. It doesn't need to tackle. The whole point of a gang ship is that it is in a gang. If you want a ship that doesn't operate in a gang, use a field command ship.
No, the Eos will not tank more than the Damnation. The Eos will be blown up long before the Damnation under any amount of fire that exceeds the Eos' rep amount. Heck, the Damnation will eve rep better than the Eos with two reps, gang mods, extra low, etc... plus having a huge cushion, while giving a hugely useful gang bonus to the rest of the fleet.
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