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Nasair
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:05:00 -
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Ok CCP so you want to look at AFs later on, at least lets not nerf the ishkur in the mean time. As a sugesstion I would keep the bandwidth the same. However give it a 50m3 drone bay as standard (the amarr electronic attack frig gets 60m3 as standard) and give it 10% drone damage/hitpoints bonus. It can only use lights now and would make it nicely able to combat at least smaller ships. It would actually make it a nice counter to the new ships
Please do look at AFs soon!
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:07:00 -
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I would agree...
I use the Ishkur for anti-frigate support anyway... so make it a 50m¦ Drone bay with 25 Mbit bandwith... With best regards, SentryRaven KIA Noobship Pilot
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:11:00 -
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Fix the AFs in general, starting with their mass and fourth bonus. All of them.
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Caldrion Dosto
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:31:00 -
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Can a Dev please elaborate on the reasons Iskurs need a nerf?
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Morrow Disca
Macrocosm Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:35:00 -
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I agree, the Ishkur is fine the way it is, story of my Eve-life seems to be...
Morrow buys one... CCP Nerf it... Morrow crys, gets over it and buys something else...
Now i'm off to buy a carrier, laters.
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Morrow Disca I agree, the Ishkur is fine the way it is, story of my Eve-life seems to be...
Morrow buys one... CCP Nerf it... Morrow crys, gets over it and buys something else...
Now i'm off to buy a carrier, laters.
Can you buy CCP please? ;)
With best regards, SentryRaven KIA Noobship Pilot
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:38:00 -
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/signed
i fly both mini and gall T2 frigs, with this nurf i really don't see any reason for flying the gallente ones anymore, except for the fact that they will be (/are) cheep.
What with somekind of carrier nurf STILL on the table after rev 3.0 and the Eos nurf, and now the ishkur getting a completeley unnecessary nurf, this week has been one big kick in the nuts -
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Lucas Avignon
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: SentryRaven
Originally by: Morrow Disca I agree, the Ishkur is fine the way it is, story of my Eve-life seems to be...
Morrow buys one... CCP Nerf it... Morrow crys, gets over it and buys something else...
Now i'm off to buy a carrier, laters.
Can you buy CCP please? ;)
lol
Now they are nerfing gallente assault frigs, that really makes the ishkur useful, that's really sad considering the lack of use of assault frigs in general
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oniplE
NED-Clan R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:44:00 -
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What changed? gimme some stats..
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Vrikshaka
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:47:00 -
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Yeah where's that nerf? Linky pls! Or are you yelling nerf before there even is one?
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Tessikhet
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:54:00 -
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Come on now guys. We all know that there were a total of like 10 people world-wide who used AFs anyway. They all suck, to a lesser or greater extent. The AF skill is just a stepping stone to HACs.
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:12:00 -
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Doesn't the drone bay of the Ishkur increase as your AF skill increases? Lately anything that seems effective or can not be countered by a vanilla setup is nerf bait. We should start a pool on what is going to be nerfed next. I bet remote armor reps.
Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli |
Melor Rend
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tessikhet Come on now guys. We all know that there were a total of like 10 people world-wide who used AFs anyway. They all suck, to a lesser or greater extent. The AF skill is just a stepping stone to HACs.
This. |
Lila Acumen
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:17:00 -
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Save the eos also! It now has onyl 5 gun hardpoints and cant use large drones! Coupled with the already sub par warfare link mods and the crappy 5 low slots it needs to be saved or it wil be by far the worst t2 BC in the game.
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Nasair
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Nasair on 24/10/2007 14:20:47 Edited by: Nasair on 24/10/2007 14:20:12 Changes:
Before the standard drone bay was 15m3, this went up by 5m3 per level of assault frigate to 40m3. With no limitations on drone size you could launch 3 mediums and 2 lights, with AF IV 2 mediums and 3 lights.
The base size is now 25m3 which goes up to 50m3 at level V. However due to bandwidth limitations it can only ever launch 5 lights.
One of the bonuses is tied up in drone bay and one in the assault frigate resists.
The amarr electronic attack frigate comes with a base 60m3 drone bay and 20MB bandwidth so its already more versitile. It also gets lots of funky ewar bonuses. It completely supercedes the ishkur at everything.
At the same time the vexor got a buff.......
So the ishkur gained a competitor and had a rival buffed while getting nerfed itself.
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Tral Kul
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lila Acumen Save the eos also! It now has onyl 5 gun hardpoints and cant use large drones! Coupled with the already sub par warfare link mods and the crappy 5 low slots it needs to be saved or it wil be by far the worst t2 BC in the game.
What the hell are you smoking? The Eos is still damn fine and no bc should be using heavies.
The iskur had this coming too because it shouldn't be using mediums.
Seriously do you really believe dealing damage equal to a size higher then you is balanced? Cause if so I'd like them to do the same to caldari.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tessikhet Come on now guys. We all know that there were a total of like 10 people world-wide who used AFs anyway. They all suck, to a lesser or greater extent. The AF skill is just a stepping stone to HACs.
True, that. While the Ishkur nerf is stupid, pointless and unwarranted, it doesn't have quite the impact of the "make Eos suddenly totally useless to anyone" nerf. People actually fly command ships in pvp
All AFs need a serious boost and rethink. Lowering their mass and sig, and giving them a good role bonus (or two) would be a step in the right direction.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tral Kul
What the hell are you smoking? The Eos is still damn fine and no bc should be using heavies.
No it's definitely not, and you're wrong. But that's another thread (or five), go there if you want to discuss the issue.
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Countess NotFarOut2
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Countess NotFarOut2 on 24/10/2007 14:37:59 What is the nerf? I am 1 of those 10 ppl, Iguess. Also: what can you do with 5 T2 drones that you cannot possibly do with 4 T2 drones?
EDIT: Did not read all. What's this about being able to have a 50m dronebay and only launching 5 lights?
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Jenna Shame
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:38:00 -
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I think the rule is CCP nerfs everything I trained for on any character.
The ishkur was so limited in roles as it was, that any nerf will kill it.
I enjoyed it for small suicide minded roving gangs, but now? Not worth the cash, better off taking a t1 crusier.
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