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Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:28:00 - [1] Turns out the uber Warp Disruption Field Generator, which having looked at the stats: 16km bubble -1 warp str -90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus 50% signature radius bonus -80% mass reduction -80% ab/mwd thrust seems like the perfect thing to combat CCP's idiotic Speedtanking. NO. The bubble is there, but YOUR AB/MWD max velocity is gimped, YOUR AB/MWD thrust is gimped, Your Signature Radius is Larger. 1792m/s Broadsword -10mn T2 mwd active before activating WDFG- dropped to 420m/s. Btw... This module does nothing to the ab/MWD module fitted to ships caught inside the bubble, it's just a mobile 16km area affect 1 pt scram. Useless CCP. Interdictors don't have anything to fear, they'll still have their job when the Heavy's role out. 21:00:00 Hint You are within a warp disruption zone. Get 16800.0 meters from Futher Bezluden's Broadsword to warp. Even fit ship has 2 stabs fit, Its still stuck in your bubble. Don't expect it to act like "Warp Dis Probes" and pull people out of warp off the gate. You can cloak and pop the warp dis field -for 30s at least, then it goes offline. Useful in Empire??? 21:20:04 Notify You cannot do that because it is currently against empire policy to launch, anchor or control objects of that type within their jurisdictions. ============= CCP, Please make the Heavy Dictor Warp Disruption Field Generator Affect ships caught in it's bubble, not only the heavy dictor. With how it works now, people will stick to their interdictors. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet Skeet L33t
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:34:00 - [2] Originally by: Futher Bezluden Turns out the uber Warp Disruption Field Generator, which having looked at the stats: 16km bubble -1 warp str -90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus 50% signature radius bonus -80% mass reduction -80% ab/mwd thrust seems like the perfect thing to combat CCP's idiotic Speedtanking. WANTED: Bubble that sets affected ship and drone shield and armor to 0. No?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:34:00 - [3] yes it gimps your and their AB and MWD. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:49:00 - [4] Wrong. It gimps YOUR mwd/ab. Not theirs. The only effect of the bubble is anti warp. There's a reason the bubble stat is called "warp scramble range".
Kazamidori Division 9 Golden Leaves Izanagi Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:50:00 - [5] I'd think heavy dictor's (perhaps the only) role would be to latch itself onto Titans, and keep scrambling it even after DD goes off. It's still do-able with standard dictors, but heavy dictors with plates or extenders can easily survive a shot of DD. Other than that...durp? --- Izanagi Alliance
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Kazamidori I'd think heavy dictor's (perhaps the only) role would be to latch itself onto Titans, and keep scrambling it even after DD goes off. It's still do-able with standard dictors, but heavy dictors with plates or extenders can easily survive a shot of DD. Other than that...durp? Question: can you warp off from dictor field if you equip stabs?
Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:55:00 - [7] It would be nice if the bubble effect would not make it unable to be remote repped. If this would be the case it could be used as tanked dictor. As it is now there is now point to use it vs anything above 5 enemy ships, t2 resistances or not, a cruiser tank is still only a cruiser tank.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Aramendel It would be nice if the bubble effect would not make it unable to be remote repped. If this would be the case it could be used as tanked dictor. As it is now there is now point to use it vs anything above 5 enemy ships, t2 resistances or not, a cruiser tank is still only a cruiser tank. Surprise... Didnt i say that like month ago when stats were leaked? Pretty much - in your eye people who thought those ships will be useful :) Normal dictor cost 1/5-1/10 of the heavy dictor and will have much higher survival rate anyways... CCP failed yet again.

CCP Gangleri	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:14:00 - [9] These ships are aimed at capital and super capital tackling, 'dictors and new and improved 'ceptors don't really need any help with the other ship types.

Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:16:00 - [10] Originally by: CCP Gangleri These ships are aimed at capital and super capital tackling, 'dictors and new and improved 'ceptors don't really need any help with the other ship types. Um... still dont get this. Its far easier to pin down single cap/supercap with normal dictor because it can survive onslaught. Where heavy dictor will just... die? And vs multiple cap? Its instagib, where normal bubble has a chance to sit outside smarty range. So...


CCP Gangleri	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:24:00 - [11] There is a script coming for this module which makes it a targeted effect for use against a capital ship, details have not been nailed down yet so it's not been seeded on Sisi. Everything on Sisi is susceptible to change from day to day. Give it a little more time before you start condemning the new ships to the scrapheep ps. if you don't know what scripts are that may be because they won't be on Sisi quite yet.

Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:25:00 - [12] Originally by: CCP Gangleri There is a script coming for this module which makes it a targeted effect for use against a capital ship, details have not been nailed down yet so it's not been seeded on Sisi. Everything on Sisi is susceptible to change from day to day. Give it a little more time before you start condemning the new ships to the scrapheep ps. if you don't know what scripts are that may be because they won't be on Sisi quite yet. Just managed to read it up in other thread... will see and wait i guess, but i held VERY high hopes for that ship class. And for love of god - give em chance to scramble supercaps in lowsec.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: CCP Gangleri There is a script coming for this module which makes it a targeted effect for use against a capital ship, details have not been nailed down yet so it's not been seeded on Sisi. Everything on Sisi is susceptible to change from day to day. Give it a little more time before you start condemning the new ships to the scrapheep ps. if you don't know what scripts are that may be because they won't be on Sisi quite yet. Just managed to read it up in other thread... will see and wait i guess, but i held VERY high hopes for that ship class. And for love of god - give em chance to scramble supercaps in lowsec. AMEN! Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Valharu	Posted - 2007.10.25 00:03:00 - [14] Kind of sad, I know many had high hopes that the generator field on this ship affected the AB/MWDs on all ships around it to stop the instant gate warping that Nano ships do. Also since it has been stated that this ship is ment to lock down Cap ships. Doesnt the neg effect on the Gen make the ship a sitting duck for hostile action against it? Risk VS Reward? At this moment, the risk vs the reward does not seem to merit its use. I am sure this Cruiser will have a staggering cost and to see it so vulnerable do all the neg side effects it will suffer from its on Gen. I see people sticking to useing a Dictor since they can drop bubble and then scoot out of the action. I am hoping this will be looked at befor the finel date of release happens.
Lishan Kamatar	Posted - 2007.10.25 00:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Valharu Kind of sad, I know many had high hopes that the generator field on this ship affected the AB/MWDs on all ships around it to stop the instant gate warping that Nano ships do. Also since it has been stated that this ship is ment to lock down Cap ships. Doesnt the neg effect on the Gen make the ship a sitting duck for hostile action against it? Risk VS Reward? At this moment, the risk vs the reward does not seem to merit its use. I am sure this Cruiser will have a staggering cost and to see it so vulnerable do all the neg side effects it will suffer from its on Gen. I see people sticking to useing a Dictor since they can drop bubble and then scoot out of the action. I am hoping this will be looked at befor the finel date of release happens. but a dictor might miss his target or get killed before he can drop it or the bubble might be smart bombed. where as a HI can have a nice buffer tank while support heals him for keeps the super cap ships bubbled.
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Lishan Kamatar buffer tank while support heals him No, he can't.
Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:15:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP Gangleri There is a script coming for this module which makes it a targeted effect for use against a capital ship, details have not been nailed down yet so it's not been seeded on Sisi. Everything on Sisi is susceptible to change from day to day. Give it a little more time before you start condemning the new ships to the scrapheep Whatever this scrip does, it needs to enable them to be remote assisted then. Because otherwise a normal dictor is way way better than this one. A cruiser sized tank will only last 20 sec tops if primaried. Which it will if it tries to tackle capitals.
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:18:00 - [18] Originally by: CCP Fendahl ...it also comes with some drawbacks. When activated the warp disruption field generator prevents remote assistance...
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/10/2007 22:18:25 Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/10/2007 22:18:06 Originally by: CCP Gangleri These ships are aimed at capital and super capital tackling, 'dictors and new and improved 'ceptors don't really need any help with the other ship types. Um... still dont get this. Its far easier to pin down single cap/supercap with normal dictor because it can survive onslaught. Where heavy dictor will just... die? And vs multiple cap? Its instagib, where normal bubble has a chance to sit outside smarty range. So... EDIT: as a proof: check how long this toy can tackle full dronage thanathos/nyx. And next check how long sabre can do this (last time our sabre kept tackle on carrier for abt 20 minutes before hard hitters arrived). Err... dumbass carrier pilot? VS small ships use drones not fighters lol. Last interdictor that tried to keep me down got a horde of hammerheads on him (I won).
Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Gor Kraon Originally by: CCP Fendahl ...it also comes with some drawbacks. When activated the warp disruption field generator prevents remote assistance... If that was for me, yes I know. But CCP Gangleri was talking about a different effect via script. This should include the option for different penalities, too. (Scripts are some sort of "ammo" you can load into some modules to modify their effect)

Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:46:00 - [21] Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 25/10/2007 01:48:25 Please, make the mod a "Gravity Well" that affects all in the bubble, not just the heavy dictor. -or at least a "Script" for it to act as one. And it's been proven, a dictor can survive a doomsday. (DD should instapop anything smaller than CS/BS). As a Heavy Dictor... what prevents everything in the enemy fleet from mwd'ing away from you while you're stuck in space going 400m/s with enormous sig radius. Anti-Fleet, but no matter it's setup it'll melt very fast. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet Skeet L33t
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.25 02:45:00 - [22] Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 25/10/2007 02:45:55 how about a script to turn it into a targeted effect vs any type of ship and useable in empire space ... basicly a way to turn it into a highslot warp disruptor with some penalties and the ability to tackle supercaps in empire. or make 2 scripts for that...1 for supercaps with heavy penalties and one for normal ships with lower penalties. edit: the point being that the ship and module get some more uses than jsut that very specialized role of tackling supercaps in 0.0
Chavu Ganja Labs Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:08:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Gangleri These ships are aimed at capital and super capital tackling, 'dictors and new and improved 'ceptors don't really need any help with the other ship types. Really? What major difference is there between t2 point and the new bubble on a capital? Same cap, t2 point is med slot while bubble is high slot, t2 point has more range, much easier to fit and doesn't nerf my "get out of dodge ability" I'd fit a Broadsword as a vaga + 2 extra meds for more tanking/cap boosting and fit a t2 pt without bubble. Don't forget that a carrier can just use 2x heavy neuts on the heavy dictor and instantly pwn it (like ceptors on TQ right now) If the heavy dictor can't tank 15 fighters then it is useless since it has no speed. If carriers get nerfed to 5 fighters/drones then anything can tackle a carrier while laughing at it from orbit. Designing a new ship class for ONLY tackling supercapitals makes bunnies cry over the waste of resources.
Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:08:00 - [24] Perhaps with when CCP works out "SCRIPT" which is supposed to modify the action of the module or "focus" it along some path. Right now without it, as someone in Ships and Mods put it "HI is a 200mil coffin". Nothing prevents capitals and supercaps from cyno'ing out, but that is what "Warp Dis Probes" are for. the 16k base area of affect, 19-20 with HI 4 or 5, is still pretty small compared to the "Interdictor" launchable sphere, but nobody has posted up potential HI costs, nor cost of the Warp Dis Field Generator -though "warp dis probes" are very cheap. At present, I have all but HI skill for the ship once it comes out, but am not impressed with the ship enough to give up the addiction to dictors in general for the purpose of warp disruption spheres -even the disposable q-tip of a ship, the Eris. Aside from the Warp Dis Field Gen, which is 0.0, people will love these ships in empire just for the massive tanks. Passive Tank Onyx is already making caldari pilots wet -but they can use a drake for that with less training and less isk overall. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet Skeet L33t
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Deva Blackfire EDIT: as a proof: check how long this toy can tackle full dronage thanathos/nyx. And next check how long sabre can do this (last time our sabre kept tackle on carrier for abt 20 minutes before hard hitters arrived). Err... dumbass carrier pilot? VS small ships use drones not fighters lol. Last interdictor that tried to keep me down got a horde of hammerheads on him (I won). And exactly how your 2,5-3km/s hammerhead keeps up with 8-10km/s dictor? Also you know that to "tackle" you just need to zoom in, drop bubble, zoom out? You dont need to wait till you get neutralized (and the guy did have neutralizers). Pretty much solo carrier can not fend off normal dictor when dictor pilot knows how to fly it, where killing one immobile hac is just way too simple.
Boonaki Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:57:00 - [26] with it having to be in a 16k range, it'll be in most supercap web range. Put 6 capital guns or 25 fighters on it, see how long it lasts. Sigs are for losers. Yes this is a sig.
El'essar Viocragh Minmatar FSK23	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Boonaki with it having to be in a 16k range You want to reread the ship bonus section of heavy interdictors. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:31:00 - [28] Now, if this thingy gives the ability to tackle moms/titans in low-sec, things might get interesting... If the penalties will allow them to be remote-repped or speedy in that mode. If not, then meh. -- Gradient forum
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:27:00 - [29] So far sounding like a totally useless module, leading to more or less useless ship class. We'll see. If we get the ability to tackle supercaps in lowsec, this might get interesting. As a 0.0 thing, I don't see these doing anything that dictors can't already do, and cheaper (price important because these sound like suicide rigs).
Tiny Carlos Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:51:00 - [30] Edited by: Tiny Carlos on 25/10/2007 09:52:53 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Deva Blackfire EDIT: as a proof: check how long this toy can tackle full dronage thanathos/nyx. And next check how long sabre can do this (last time our sabre kept tackle on carrier for abt 20 minutes before hard hitters arrived). Err... dumbass carrier pilot? VS small ships use drones not fighters lol. Last interdictor that tried to keep me down got a horde of hammerheads on him (I won). And exactly how your 2,5-3km/s hammerhead keeps up with 8-10km/s dictor? Also you know that to "tackle" you just need to zoom in, drop bubble, zoom out? You dont need to wait till you get neutralized (and the guy did have neutralizers). Pretty much solo carrier can not fend off normal dictor when dictor pilot knows how to fly it, where killing one immobile hac is just way too simple. Unless the carrier pilot sucks totaly you'll be neuted when you 'zoom in' to drop the bubble. You need to get in about 18km to drop the buuble effectivly, neut range is 25km+ on a decent neut. edit: still much better off in a 'dictor than one of these new T2 wrecks. "Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others." - Groucho Marx



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