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Tillek Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:50:00 - [1] Well. It's simple. Gallante ships have way to much in the way of damage output. Drones and guns this equals to much in the way of bonus. You wanna get rid of lag and such. Simple get rid of allt hese gallante drone boats acting as mini MOMS and carriers. Honest opinion is I'd love to see drones removed from the game. They cause lag and they make people go for the ship with the biggest drone bay. I'm simply tired of seeing all these domi's and phoons out there anymore with all these drones out damaging even teir 3 ships -------------------------------------- CRY HAVOC AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR
Chr0nosX Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:55:00 - [2] Originally by: Tillek Well. It's simple. Gallante ships have way to much in the way of damage output. Drones and guns this equals to much in the way of bonus. You wanna get rid of lag and such. Simple get rid of allt hese gallante drone boats acting as mini MOMS and carriers. Honest opinion is I'd love to see drones removed from the game. They cause lag and they make people go for the ship with the biggest drone bay. I'm simply tired of seeing all these domi's and phoons out there anymore with all these drones out damaging even teir 3 ships Phoon isn't even gallente. Gallente are fine, a dominix's damage isn't that great anyway. The Eos and myrm are getting nerfed next patch thanks to whiners like you.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Eve University	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:57:00 - [3] A handful of PROTIPs: 1) Range. Use it. Gallente DPS works at distances usually reserved for intimate couples. 2) EFT. Stop using it. The numbers in EFT do not work out to reality very well. 3) Drones. BBQ them. If you're not at stabbing range, heavy drones are trivial to kill. 4) Trolling. Stop doing it. You need not post in every thread about how much you hate that you can't outdamage a purpose-built gankship at 1km.
Igualmentedos	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Chr0nosX Originally by: Tillek Well. It's simple. Gallante ships have way to much in the way of damage output. Drones and guns this equals to much in the way of bonus. You wanna get rid of lag and such. Simple get rid of allt hese gallante drone boats acting as mini MOMS and carriers. Honest opinion is I'd love to see drones removed from the game. They cause lag and they make people go for the ship with the biggest drone bay. I'm simply tired of seeing all these domi's and phoons out there anymore with all these drones out damaging even teir 3 ships Phoon isn't even gallente. Gallente are fine, a dominix's damage isn't that great anyway. The Eos and myrm are getting nerfed next patch thanks to whiners like you. You're welcome.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:40:00 - [5] Coincidence OP is Caldari? I think not. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Igualmentedos	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Coincidence OP is Caldari? I think not. Coincidence you're Gallente? I think not. Wow, I can do that too!
Pure Murder	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:51:00 - [7] Originally by: Chr0nosX Phoon isn't even gallente. Gallente are fine, a dominix's damage isn't that great anyway. The Eos and myrm are getting nerfed next patch thanks to whiners like you. Your tears taste so sweet.
Reyna Al'Zedra Founders of the Final Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.25 04:21:00 - [8] Edited by: Reyna Al''Zedra on 25/10/2007 04:21:37 Originally by: Tillek Well. It's simple. Gallante ships have way to much in the way of damage output. Drones and guns this equals to much in the way of bonus. You wanna get rid of lag and such. Simple get rid of allt hese gallante drone boats acting as mini MOMS and carriers. Honest opinion is I'd love to see drones removed from the game. They cause lag and they make people go for the ship with the biggest drone bay. I'm simply tired of seeing all these domi's and phoons out there anymore with all these drones out damaging even teir 3 ships Yeah! that's a great idea! and while yer at it lets remove all caldari missile bonuses, cause lets face it we're too overpowered at missions with them. Oh but wait there's more! for the minmatar we can have their damage reduced as well, hell, why dont we just take everyones damage bonuses away and call them "Amarr" Alright get the picture here, Gallente are built on drones and hybrids, caldari are built on missiles and E-War(and mebbe a little hybrid here n there) simply taking drones away would kill them and all their ships that are built around them, nuff said. Trolling +1
Mataki Onimareu Gallente Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.25 04:25:00 - [9] Edited by: Mataki Onimareu on 25/10/2007 04:24:49 /signed FOR TROLLING I'll look for you and gank you with my Ogre II's ________________________________________________________
HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.25 04:27:00 - [10] Gallente don't have speed (Minmatar) or tanking (Caldari/Amarr). If you removed blasters and drones (dps), what would Gallente have left? You might not have noticed, but the engagement range on most blaster ships is under 5km. Not only that, but Gallente are the third-slowest race. You can easily kite a Gallente ship if you aren't a complete moron, and I've had it done to me many times.

Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 04:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Tillek Well. It's simple. Gallante ships have way to much in the way of damage output. Drones and guns this equals to much in the way of bonus. You wanna get rid of lag and such. Simple get rid of allt hese gallante drone boats acting as mini MOMS and carriers. Honest opinion is I'd love to see drones removed from the game. They cause lag and they make people go for the ship with the biggest drone bay. I'm simply tired of seeing all these domi's and phoons out there anymore with all these drones out damaging even teir 3 ships I'm Minmatar, so the OP can eat his words with some razor blades and tabasco sauce. I've never used a phoon in my eve existence. I primarily use Minmatar, but can use all the Gallente ships -gunboats and drone mongers. I've also been seen flying Ravens, but that was a strange phase when I hated npc's. Myrm has fewer drones and no gun bonuses. Dominix is a pita to fit with 4 neutron blaster II's or 5 ion/electrons -it's drones have to do a lot of damage. Ishtard -only gripe about it is the speed tanking, but oh well, it's eve -not newtonian physics. Eos has been stripped of it's jockstrap of herculean gankage, so things are balancing out a bit now. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet Skeet L33t
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.25 04:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Igualmentedos Originally by: Bellum Eternus Coincidence OP is Caldari? I think not. Coincidence you're Gallente? I think not. Wow, I can do that too! Too late. I'm cross trained in all four races. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Tillek Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:30:00 - [13] Wow. Los of little kids. Mommy let you stay out this late normaly? My thead is not only gallante aimed but all drone boats. Drones have come to be to much. And most of you posting probaly fly you're little blasterax and the domi. So you're whining and moaning is invalid. Most jackass's who fly them want the I win button. I want fights to be on par. So cry all you wish. Fact remains drones have gotten to powerful. -------------------------------------- CRY HAVOC AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR
Tillek Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Mataki Onimareu Edited by: Mataki Onimareu on 25/10/2007 04:24:49 /signed FOR TROLLING I'll look for you and gank you with my Ogre II's I look forward to you doing so. Probaly a 10 year old who's balls have not droped. So gotta build confidence some how hmm? Mom don't compliment you enough? -------------------------------------- CRY HAVOC AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:51:00 - [15] Where have you been for the last few days? Gallente drone boats that have long dominated their classes are finally getting rebalanced to bring them in line with their counterparts.
Alyxa Mahan	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:27:00 - [16] Originally by: HydroSan Gallente don't have speed (Minmatar) or tanking (Caldari/Amarr). If you removed blasters and drones (dps), what would Gallente have left? Hmm, last i checked Gallente are the only race besides Minnies with MWD related boni, and always with MWDs on their blaster boats, which is somewhat uncommon on Caldari, and highly impractical for Amarr. Also, Gallente tank just as well as Amarr generally, some even say better, due to the Amarr ships complete inability to fit both gank and tank at once. Originally by: HydroSan You might not have noticed, but the engagement range on most blaster ships is under 5km. Not only that, but Gallente are the third-slowest race. Actually, with most ships, especially the tech2's, its a give or take with Amarr. Some are slower but lighter, some are the other way. And you might want to check out the speed/weight ratios of the newest ships...
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Tillek Well. It's simple. Gallante ships have way to much in the way of damage output. Drones and guns this equals to much in the way of bonus. You wanna get rid of lag and such. Simple get rid of allt hese gallante drone boats acting as mini MOMS and carriers. Honest opinion is I'd love to see drones removed from the game. They cause lag and they make people go for the ship with the biggest drone bay. I'm simply tired of seeing all these domi's and phoons out there anymore with all these drones out damaging even teir 3 ships /irony on Are missiles creating lag? Maybe they should be removed from the game... Mission hubs are laggy, it has to be missiles because everyone does missions in raven or drake! /irony off Man, get constructive, it's not the fact that they are drones that creates lag, it must be something else, they continuously improve game engine, it will come to a point where drones will be fine. From all I heard about things creating lag, I have been told that dreads entering siege were the worse... It might be the bonus system in eve that makes some stuff slow, and drones gets tons of bonus in many ways... For the outdamaging, just pop those annoying heavy drones, it's easy to do so. If you don't want to target them, FoF works fine, drones are always the closest thing to you. Drone ships are the only ships where you can reduce their firepower with your usual weapons : just do it. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Say hello to my tiny friends !
OneSock Crown Industries	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:28:00 - [18] Isn't it about time missles did less damage at longer range ? Bring them in line with the other weapon types.
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:33:00 - [19] Originally by: OneSock Isn't it about time missles did less damage at longer range ? Bring them in line with the other weapon types. I never saw it this way... So missiles are much like drones, same damage at all ranges, but if you destroy some, it won't cut the DPS of your opponent, still they do same damage at all range while not being as vulnerable. They don't suffer the short range tracking issue the guns have, they don't have the lower damage ammunitions on long range... People who whine about drones should just remeber how easy they are to kill. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Say hello to my tiny friends !
Loc Maythan Gallente AlfaCorp	Posted - 2007.10.25 10:04:00 - [20] As has been commented on a number of thread on the "Drones are too powerful" subject, give us the ability to target and destroy turrets and launchers selectively, then we can talk about whether drones are too powerful. Drone users have to deal with: - drone flight time (OK, not with sentries) - drones being destroyed (FoF missiles, smartbombs, other drones, small guns, big guns+webs ... quiet a long list of threats, none of which apply to other sources of damage output) - drone AI bugs (possibly being fixed in Rev 3) - drones being lost if you have to warp out - when was the last time a turret or launcher got left behind after a warp? Drones may be powerful, but in my opinion that is fair compensation for their multitudinous weaknesses. Loc.

James Duar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.25 10:36:00 - [21] You can always sense the ones who are going to hit the various internet stereotypes of lame insults.
TomParad0x Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Loc Maythan Edited by: Loc Maythan on 25/10/2007 10:08:27 As has been commented on a number of threads on the "Drones are too powerful" subject, give us the ability to target and destroy turrets and launchers selectively, then we can talk about whether drones are too powerful. Drone users have to deal with: - drone flight time (OK, not with sentries) - drones being destroyed (FoF missiles, smartbombs, other drones, small guns, big guns+webs ... quiet a long list of threats, none of which apply to other sources of damage output) - drone AI bugs (possibly being fixed in Rev 3) - drones being lost if you have to warp out - when was the last time a turret or launcher got left behind after a warp? Drones may be powerful, but in my opinion that is fair compensation for their multitudinous weaknesses. Loc. P.S. Yes, I am Gallente, though I fail to see the significance of this - anyone can fly a drone boat if they have the skills. /signed @ this comment. I fly caldari and gallente, and also have a minm PVP alt going.
Chr0nosX Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Pure Murder Originally by: Chr0nosX Phoon isn't even gallente. Gallente are fine, a dominix's damage isn't that great anyway. The Eos and myrm are getting nerfed next patch thanks to whiners like you. Your tears taste so sweet. Mr.Troll I can't fly the Eos and I don't fly the myrm much. I was just stating a fact.
R'adeh Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Tillek Well. It's simple. Gallante ships have way to much in the way of damage output. Drones and guns this equals to much in the way of bonus. You wanna get rid of lag and such. Simple get rid of allt hese gallante drone boats acting as mini MOMS and carriers. Honest opinion is I'd love to see drones removed from the game. They cause lag and they make people go for the ship with the biggest drone bay. I'm simply tired of seeing all these domi's and phoons out there anymore with all these drones out damaging even teir 3 ships Hello Mr.Troll, I totally agree with your wish that you want to punish a big percentage of the gamerbase by taking away their fun and steal the time they used training for something because YOU (1 person) doesn't like it. There are other ways to reduce lag you might find interesting and very similar to the option you proposed. Let's remove all asteroids from game because they cause lag, and let's get rid of missiles because the missile animation must cause lag too after all. In fact, let's turn this in a text based game where people use a dice to decide the outcome of a battle. You absolutely rock, and I fully endorse your awesome plan ♥ Sincerely, R'adeh _______________________________________________ <Random sig with a hot chick>
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:34:00 - [25] Gallente are supposed to do high damage, that's why they're close range. Website Recruiting
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Tillek Wow. Los of little kids. Mommy let you stay out this late normaly? My thead is not only gallante aimed but all drone boats. Drones have come to be to much. And most of you posting probaly fly you're little blasterax and the domi. So you're whining and moaning is invalid. Most jackass's who fly them want the I win button. I want fights to be on par. So cry all you wish. Fact remains drones have gotten to powerful. How about removing the "i hit every time" button from caldari missile boats while your nerfing the gallente ships. My views may represent those of my corp/alliance but you will have to ask em to be sure.
Serenity Frye Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Tillek Well. It's simple. Gallante ships have way to much in the way of damage output. Drones and guns this equals to much in the way of bonus. You wanna get rid of lag and such. Simple get rid of allt hese gallante drone boats acting as mini MOMS and carriers. Honest opinion is I'd love to see drones removed from the game. They cause lag and they make people go for the ship with the biggest drone bay. I'm simply tired of seeing all these domi's and phoons out there anymore with all these drones out damaging even teir 3 ships STFU, that is all 'Tis better to be a Lion for one day then be a sheep for a hundred years'
Cortana AI	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:51:00 - [28] Wow surprise, surprise who would've guessed a Caldari character would b!tch about drones and Gallente the only race even comparable to the missile barges that now dominate EVE. I say if you want to get rid of drones fine but to make a comprimise get rid of missiles as well then you'd get the point. Gallente have drone ships for a reason mainly because the only ships with big dronebays can't fit turrets, with ships like the Domi and Ishtar (built for drones) if they waste PG on turrets than they cannot fit an effective tank. As for the lag maybe you should ask CCP to cut down on missile spam and simply do alot more fixes to Jita which is probably where you're trying to do lvl 4 missions. I'm done here anyone else wanna flame this guy? Cheers - CptEav1s
Detur Digniori	Posted - 2007.10.25 21:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Cortana AI Wow surprise, surprise who would've guessed a Caldari character would b!tch about drones and Gallente the only race even comparable to the missile barges that now dominate EVE. I say if you want to get rid of drones fine but to make a comprimise get rid of missiles as well then you'd get the point. Gallente have drone ships for a reason mainly because the only ships with big dronebays can't fit turrets, with ships like the Domi and Ishtar (built for drones) if they waste PG on turrets than they cannot fit an effective tank. As for the lag maybe you should ask CCP to cut down on missile spam and simply do alot more fixes to Jita which is probably where you're trying to do lvl 4 missions. I'm done here anyone else wanna flame this guy? Cheers - CptEav1s signed
Law Enforcer	Posted - 2007.10.25 21:53:00 - [30] gallente are fine. amarr are really the ones that need to be nerfed. seriously, quit trolling.



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