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Kayosoni
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.25 18:45:00 -
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They need covert cloaks. Make it happen. -----------------------------------
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slothe
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.25 18:46:00 -
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i thought they did. dont they?
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Kel Zon
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Posted - 2007.10.25 18:46:00 -
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/signed
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Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.25 18:52:00 -
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Signed.
Mini-Gank-Geddon that can warp while cloaked ftw!
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Kirith Kodachi
Interstellar Privateers Of Res Communis
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:00:00 -
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I disagree. I think the no targeter recalibration after decloaking is sufficient.
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Romulus Maximus
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:10:00 -
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Agreed
Without them they wont be anywhere near as useful as expected. A bit like Stealth Bombers...
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Mr Ignitious
Gallente Kingpins
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:22:00 -
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as much as i'd love for black ops to have cov ops cloaking devices and warp cloaked i think it would be a really bad idea. if they want to get somewhere completely covertly they will need one of the covert ships to drop a covert cyno for them and then portal to it. if they could warp cloaked themselves we would all be in some major whiner trouble, having battleships fit for close range and appear at their optimal, allowing them to lock down their opponent before there is a chance to respond.
it would be cool yes, but it would result in some serious whinage. if it happens, i'd expect it to get removed shortly after ward. if it does happen and noone has a problem with it...MORE POWER TO YA! i'm gonna get black ops too, and i'll be plenty happy with the ships w/o warping cloaked.
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Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:24:00 -
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It is a refreshing thought to know that no-one at ccp pays much deference to what kayosoni has to say on the matter. I sleep soundly at night.
Let me get this straight - unsatisfied with the only subcapital ship in the game with jump mobility (2 ly range.) and gate-jump capability, jump portal for recon gangs, covops and bombers, invisible jump beacons, damage output on the par with some t1 counterparts, racial bonuses that, in the case of caldari, also make it an EW boat... you also want it to have covert ops cloak?
Nevermind that with the current, confirmed bonuses this ship is going to pretty much become a must-have to train for and have numbers of in any respectable gang. The hare-brained 'idea' you're proposing would make it the only ship in the game worth fielding.
Shouldn't you be leveling in some cat-eared, asiatic adventure at any rate?
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Kivak Wolf
Caldari Venom's Asylum VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.25 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kivak Wolf on 25/10/2007 20:20:39 /signed
Cov Ops Cloak should be used on -all- covert and black ops ships. If nothing else, the name fits. Isn't it logical to equip a cov ops cloak on a cov ops ship? Black Ops should be able to do the same in my opinion.
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:14:00 -
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cov ops cloak is for force recons and the frigate counter part covert ops.
a black ops Bs can jump can it not?
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Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:17:00 -
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I can hear the QQ already from when a black ops pilot is probed down cloaked.
Cloaked warping imo should be pretty much given for this ship. I mean if it can only moved ships that can warp while cloak, what use is the ship if It can't as well? ----------------------------------------------- New T2 ships give me a raging hard Deimos. |
madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 25/10/2007 21:33:27 /signed,
It requires cloaking 5 and it gets a bonus to cloaking speed and no covert op cloak? WTF? Yes they are pretty and shiny, but whats a BS gonna do with more moving speed when cloaked. You are gonna sneak up upon enemies with your amazing speed?
I thought the point was to travel to a system unseen and thats only doable with a cov op cloak. This bonus might work on a frigsized ship, but not a BS.
Originally by: Derrios I can hear the QQ already from when a black ops pilot is probed down cloaked.
Cloaked warping imo should be pretty much given for this ship. I mean if it can only moved ships that can warp while cloak, what use is the ship if It can't as well?
Good point, i should be able to travel with its gang. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:35:00 -
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I prefer these cloaks over the covops cloaks. The only advantage to the covops cloak is that you can enter the same grid as your target without them noticing. These ships actually align faster while cloaked than a covops cloak would, due to the higher velocity. You just have to align manually. Being able to lock immediately after uncloaking, and then being able to cloak immediately after firing is worth this drawback.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 25/10/2007 21:43:23
Originally by: Xequecal I prefer these cloaks over the covops cloaks. The only advantage to the covops cloak is that you can enter the same grid as your target without them noticing. These ships actually align faster while cloaked than a covops cloak would, due to the higher velocity. You just have to align manually. Being able to lock immediately after uncloaking, and then being able to cloak immediately after firing is worth this drawback.
Well, i see it like this. Move into enemy terrain unseen, drop recon gang and start pew pewing. I dont care about the lockingdelay, c'mon you are in a T2 BS with frig/cruiser sized recons around you. Offcourse you are locked down right away and you wont have first lock anyway.
I dont really care if it takes me 6 seconds to lock someone or 10 with a BS. If you cannot enter the grid unseen, what the hell is the point? You are a flying big sign saying: you might some red in local, but those arent recons...really they are not.
Entering a grid with other recons, everyone decloaking and yarrrr , thats how it should be. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.25 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Entering a grid with other recons, everyone decloaking and yarrrr , thats how it should be.
And now please answer me why anyone would ever fly a regular battleship in a small to medium size engagement/gang with these around, if they had ability to warp cloaked?
hmm.
thats an F. Sit down.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.10.26 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo And now please answer me why anyone would ever fly a regular battleship in a small to medium size engagement/gang with these around, if they had ability to warp cloaked?
Because a T2 Black Ops BS is gonna cost around 500 mil while its T1 hull costs less than 100 mil and is insurable, and does more damage, that's why. -- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.10.26 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo
Originally by: madaluap
Entering a grid with other recons, everyone decloaking and yarrrr , thats how it should be.
And now please answer me why anyone would ever fly a regular battleship in a small to medium size engagement/gang with these around, if they had ability to warp cloaked?
hmm.
thats an F. Sit down.
T2 BS should be able to warp while cloaked. Otherwise they'll just be like lame Stealth Bombers. We all know how impractical they are from an actual cloaking/travel standpoint.
Advantages T1 BS will have over T2 BlackOps:
Tank, DPS, versatility, cost, ease of skilling, one more rig slot, more HP, less mass, etc.
So basically: all sorts of good reasons. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |
ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.10.26 00:15:00 -
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Lol their title 'black ops' would make one automatically think covert cloaking BS, I sure have from the start.
Otherwise why not call them 'heavy ops' or along those lines...
/signed
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.10.26 00:19:00 -
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/signed. This class needs 96-100% reduction in Covert Ops cloak CPU usage bonus, not cloaked velocity bonus.
Please.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.10.26 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Lol their title 'black ops' would make one automatically think covert cloaking BS, I sure have from the start.
Otherwise why not call them 'heavy ops' or along those lines...
/signed
CCP has a long history of taking a great idea and only going 70% of the distance with it. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |
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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.10.26 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 26/10/2007 00:49:59 It seems we have a major problem here, your both sides of the discussion are right.
With a covert-ops cloak Black-Ops ships would be THE small to medium gang battleship.
Without one it's a delivery boy.
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Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.26 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 26/10/2007 02:22:32
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Tank, DPS, versatility, cost, ease of skilling, one more rig slot, more HP, less mass, etc.
So basically: all sorts of good reasons.
Come on mate, you're old and should know better than to suggest something this ridiculous. 'skilling' or 'cost' are never valid balancing factors, just look at carriers for ****'s sake. Having a cloaking uber-battleship essentially is a pimp ride for the old boys that pretty much gives the middle finger to any semblance of balance this game may have ever had.
all your 'signed' bull**** is for naught, because fortunately the people upstairs know a slight bit more about game design. thank god.
they're getting paid for it.
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Seringol
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.26 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 26/10/2007 02:22:32
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Tank, DPS, versatility, cost, ease of skilling, one more rig slot, more HP, less mass, etc.
So basically: all sorts of good reasons.
Come on mate, you're old and should know better than to suggest something this ridiculous. 'skilling' or 'cost' are never valid balancing factors, just look at carriers for ****'s sake. Having a cloaking uber-battleship essentially is a pimp ride for the old boys that pretty much gives the middle finger to any semblance of balance this game may have ever had.
all your 'signed' bull**** is for naught, because fortunately the people upstairs know a slight bit more about game design. thank god.
they're getting paid for it.
But think of this- If they DID do all this, we would have battles between those, T1 BS's, and support carriers. No Carrier blobs!
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2007.10.26 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Derrios Cloaked warping imo should be pretty much given for this ship. I mean if it can only moved ships that can warp while cloak, what use is the ship if It can't as well?
Fool! Stealth bombers can also use its jump portal, and I gamble to bet that SBs will be bringing most of the DPS for covert raids.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: slothe i thought they did. dont they?
WTF they don't?
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CountDrakula
Fracked Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.26 08:24:00 -
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the black ops is more a kin tot he stealthbomber, HIGH dps but cn;t warp cloaked. Not tbh that this really causes a problem for them. catchign a stealthbomber is hard enoguh unless he wants to decloak and go for you.
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Devoras2
Amarr KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: ElCoCo
Originally by: slothe i thought they did. dont they?
WTF they don't?
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Devoras2
Originally by: ElCoCo
Originally by: slothe i thought they did. dont they?
WTF they don't?
What?WHAT? Do you have a problem? PUNK!
Anyway, just when you thought there was something good going on... CCP have the tendency (or talent?) to add that tiny little variable to mess it all up
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Plague Black
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.26 09:51:00 -
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Yup, just allow them to warp cloaked then slap some nanos on it and watch everyone jump on the nano-cloak-uberdamage train.
Not signed, I can tell these ships are overpowered just by reading the specs. I smell a nerf bat less then 3 months after these hit tranquility.
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