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Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 12:01:00 -
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But Tarminic, we need to stick around to make sure one of us gets his stuff!
But yeah OP, I doubt your story, and even if it were true, the ranty forum post should've come after petitions escalated as high as possible, emails to CCP, and maybe even a few paper letters. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars. |
Irob Urore
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.10.26 12:08:00 -
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so he was banned, you guys got him an account and he magically got that account banned also, maybe there was no "hacker" and your friend is just a complete douche that deserved to get banned.
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AOS brendan
Gallente The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.10.26 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: AOS brendan on 26/10/2007 12:09:05
Originally by: Acoco Osiris But Tarminic, we need to stick around to make sure one of us gets his stuff!
But yeah OP, I doubt your story, and even if it were true, the ranty forum post should've come after petitions escalated as high as possible, emails to CCP, and maybe even a few paper letters.
the issue should have been escalated to its fullest before starting a thread like this but it doesnt make it right for trolls (tarminic) to come in here and start crap just because he feels like it
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AnarkiTheStorm
FM Corp Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:30:00 -
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to everyone who says 'WTF WHY DIDNT YOU TAKE THIS FURTHER - NOOB'
You don't think myself and others have tried? Several emails have been sent to CCP, several petitions have been created - just for this second banning.
The first time, the man himself who received the ban tried for almost a month to reason and explain his situation to CCP.]
Honestly i thought this thread would have also been closed by now >.< --- Rararar.... |
Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: AOS brendan the issue should have been escalated to its fullest before starting a thread like this but it doesnt make it right for trolls (tarminic) to come in here and start crap just because he feels like it
I hate to tell you but I wasn't trolling - the points I made in my previous post are all legitimate (in my opinion). If you want to try and refute the points I've made then feel free, but don't call me a troll just because you disagree with them.
Originally by: AnarkiTheStorm The first time, the man himself who received the ban tried for almost a month to reason and explain his situation to CCP.
What exactly did he do to get him banned the second time? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining |
AnarkiTheStorm
FM Corp Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:41:00 -
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because a perma ban is forever.... across all chars.
They tracked him through his credit card =/ --- Rararar.... |
Disposeble Alt
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:49:00 -
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So what did you do to this 'friend'?
You can blame CCP for their actions, but the cause is clearly that 'friend', not CCP.
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AOS brendan
Gallente The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: AOS brendan on 26/10/2007 19:02:18 if i were to refute your post then that would be simply doing what you had hoped for... someone to bite your stupid remarks and get into an argument with you... thats the definition of trolling... im not as dumb as you may think
i have seen you post in many threads attempting to accomplish the same thing
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: AOS brendan if i were to refute your post then that would be simply doing what you had hoped for... someone to bite your stupid remarks and get into an argument with you... thats the definition of trolling... im not as dumb as you may think
I don't think you're especially unintelligent, but I take issue with the idea that the entire point of my post was to anger the OP. If you want to have a reasoned discussion then I encourage that, but otherwise I would ask that you not make ad hominum attacks. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining |
Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tarminic on 26/10/2007 19:08:30 (Doh, meant to edit the last one instead of reposting) To the OP, a part of the reason CCP may not be willing to re-investigate the issue, based on what you've said, may be due to several reasons: 1. They don't have adequate data to clear your name 2. They believe, based on IP-records and account access, that you were account sharing 3. They believe that the breach in security was your friend's fault (since your the password was obtained by hacking his e-mail) - I doubt that he "hacked" the hotmail server, he probably guessed the e-mail account password
Unfortunately given how long it's been I don't think there's anything you can do, but I disagree that you're on some grand crusade to save us from poor customer service. Given that however, you are voting with your money which is the best thing you can do. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining |
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Armoured C
Gallente Deviance Inc DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: AnarkiTheStorm
A brief and accurate summary of the events are as follows, player1Æs account got hacked, by an apparent friend who accessed player1Æs account, through breaking into hotmails server, retrieving his email password and then resetting player1Æs eve accounts password. This æfriendÆ then proceeded to suicide player1Æs ships and assets û trading
careful who you trust for friends always change you passwords is the moral of this story
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Disposeble Alt
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:20:00 -
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Just to clarify why I asked what actions you took regarding the 'friend'. Identity theft is a crime and you can take legal action. Such legal action taken may be accepteble as proof to ccp.
If however this is not importand enough to you to take such action on then why should ccp go out on a limb and tust your word that he is realy a good guy.
Oh and isk buying does not get you perma banned as far as some recent posts have told. You do get perma-banned for voicing rl threads against other players, selling isk and some other acts. so there is at least more to the sory than you have told us so far.
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Dear OP, your post contains some valid points. However, they are quickly and completely overshadowed by the following: 1. Claims of EVE Online's ruination 2. Self-righteous "acting on behalf of other EVE players" 3. Having fun in EVE is "made impossible due to CCPÆs one sided over ruling power" 4. Your grand idea of a protest is a ranty forum post 5. Claiming that CCP "seem desperate to keep the decent players that make EVE online so great, out of the game."
Even if you had good intentions, the above points basically ruin your credibility in any way and it's obvious your friend doesn't know how to play within the rules if he's been banned again. Instead of speaking with a senior GM, or e-mailing Kieron, you try and create some sort of internet spaceship crusade. Comparing perma-bans to killing kittens is such a bizarre analogy that I don't really know what to say about it, but rest assured that it would not be positive.
Seeya around OP, I don't think we're gonna miss you.
This is the thing people don't understand.
We've emailed CCP, the person in question has talked to a Senior GM (the one who banned him actually) and we've gone all other routes, and basically the response we've gotten is "if you don't like it, feel free to post on the forums"
So kindly shut up. This is the last thing we're allowed to do.
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Fenderson
Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:45:00 -
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sucks that we cant really talk about the specifics of the situation in great detail due to eula issues.
i do know the details of this situation. my personal stance is that the original ban was justified. however, the decision to re-ban him a year later on a different account is just ludicrous, and does nobody any good (including ccp and the gm staff).
I know he never bought isk. he didnt need to. the original ban caused him to lose a character he had worked very hard on, as well as alot of isk, and it kept him from playing for almost a year. doesnt that seem like punishment enough?
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fenderson the original ban caused him to lose a character he had worked very hard on, as well as alot of isk, and it kept him from playing for almost a year. doesnt that seem like punishment enough?
Well that's opinion really - the rules are that if CCP bans you they ban the individual, just that specific account.
Originally by: Helganstandt We've emailed CCP, the person in question has talked to a Senior GM (the one who banned him actually) and we've gone all other routes, and basically the response we've gotten is "if you don't like it, feel free to post on the forums"
So kindly shut up. This is the last thing we're allowed to do.
Fair enough. Had I known that was what the GM said I wouldn't have been quite as harsh.
Quote: I would go into more details to give you guys more proof of our friends innocence, but unfortunately discussing GM actions is against the forum rules. Kind of a catch 22.
I think you can paraphrase what the GMs said, you simply can't post the actual correspondence. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining |
Fenderson
Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.10.26 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Fenderson the original ban caused him to lose a character he had worked very hard on, as well as alot of isk, and it kept him from playing for almost a year. doesnt that seem like punishment enough?
Well that's opinion really - the rules are that if CCP bans you they ban the individual, just that specific account.
i realize that ccp is following the letter of the policy in this case. yes, it is an opinion, and my opinion is that the letter of the policy in this case is doing a disservice to our community.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Fenderson
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Fenderson the original ban caused him to lose a character he had worked very hard on, as well as alot of isk, and it kept him from playing for almost a year. doesnt that seem like punishment enough?
Well that's opinion really - the rules are that if CCP bans you they ban the individual, just that specific account.
i realize that ccp is following the letter of the policy in this case. yes, it is an opinion, and my opinion is that the letter of the policy in this case is doing a disservice to our community.
Is it really though? If someone is banned, assuming they were banned for appropriate reasons, why should they be able to just create a new account and hop back in again? Clearly if they've been banned CCP has deemed that they are no longer a productive member of the community. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining |
Steyr Daghan
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Meleira Luan Just a small clarification since many people seem to think differently.
CCP does not have shareholders. It is a privately owned company.
Of course CCP have shareholders.
That CCP is privately owned has nothing to do with it. Corporations have shareholders even if they are not publicly traded and even though all the shares (in theory but only rarely in practice) may be held by one physical person.
From wiki: "The term privately held company refers to ownership of a business company in two different waysùfirst, referring to ownership by non-governmental organizations; and second, referring to ownership of the company's stock by a relatively small number of holders who do not trade the stock publicly."
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R3aliti
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:23:00 -
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But the whiners ALWAYS WIN. Isaac said it best - Even the GODS themselves were powerless when I came to dealing with Stupidity and Greed.
R3
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Fenderson
Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.10.27 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Fenderson
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Fenderson the original ban caused him to lose a character he had worked very hard on, as well as alot of isk, and it kept him from playing for almost a year. doesnt that seem like punishment enough?
Well that's opinion really - the rules are that if CCP bans you they ban the individual, just that specific account.
i realize that ccp is following the letter of the policy in this case. yes, it is an opinion, and my opinion is that the letter of the policy in this case is doing a disservice to our community.
Is it really though? If someone is banned, assuming they were banned for appropriate reasons, why should they be able to just create a new account and hop back in again? Clearly if they've been banned CCP has deemed that they are no longer a productive member of the community.
from knowing this particualr person firsthand, i can tell you that there was no good reason to ban him other than what had happened a year ago. i believe the original ban was for either account sharing or (unfounded) isk buying, neither of which should be total perma-ban offences, imo.
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 15:29:00 -
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1) Hi Finis folks, you guys are noobs, but fighting you back in the day was fun!
2) Anarki, I'm sure you're either unaware of a LOT of issues surrounding your friend getting banned -OR- you're intentionally leaving a lot of detail out. I do a lot of deplorable things in eve, but have never even been warned, so getting 2 separate accounts banned seems like quite an accomplishment.
3) Um, can I have your stuff? :)
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Fenderson
Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.10.27 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker
2) Anarki, I'm sure you're either unaware of a LOT of issues surrounding your friend getting banned -OR- you're intentionally leaving a lot of detail out. I do a lot of deplorable things in eve, but have never even been warned, so getting 2 separate accounts banned seems like quite an accomplishment.
do you know this firsthand, or just assuming?
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