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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:40:00 -
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Greetings.
I did some poking about on Sisi and thought that the ship bonuses to the Kronos were quite fluffy and nice. :)
I haven't had a chance to compare ship stats or fitting spots, and sisi is down right now...
But I wonder; given the ship bonuses of a Kronos, along with its in-built webbing bonuses, is it going to be able to outperform a Navy Megathron or a Vindicator in close range PvP? Which of course, is what a Blasterthron and Vindicator are for.
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:44:00 -
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I reckon so.
4 turrets, 100% damage bonus (so 8 guns @ half cap) leaving a few free highslots
better cap recharage, I cant remember the % and HP stats, but with anything higher (as I imagine they are) its gonna out perform in all respects (aside from possibly speed and definatly cost effectiveness)
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:46:00 -
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Between the 100% damage bonus, spare slots (invariably nos are going to be crammed in there), 99% webbing, t2 resists and huge capacity for cap charges I think the Kronos is going to make a sorry think of the Vindicator.
Kronos = New solopwnmobile
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Mag's
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mag''s on 26/10/2007 14:48:04 Don't forget the massive cargo hold for Cap charges. Damn, I should keep my mouth shut.
Nothing to see here, move along.
Edit: you were to quick for me, Vitrael.
Mag's
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:48:00 -
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Easy to jam... This thing gots one weakness, better use it! -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Voltron
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.26 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vitrael Between the 100% damage bonus, spare slots (invariably nos are going to be crammed in there), 99% webbing, t2 resists and huge capacity for cap charges I think the Kronos is going to make a sorry think of the Vindicator.
Kronos = New solopwnmobile
Except when its jammed because it has the same sensor strength as a cruiser.
Don't get me wrong, I droooool over the Kronos, however it is NOT the new solo pwnmobile, if anything its the new solopwnmobile unless someone has 1 T2 multispec within 3 jumps.
Volt
It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.26 15:11:00 -
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Eh. It has a buttload of slots, just throw some ECCM on there if you're actually concerned about jamming. (I'm not)
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.10.26 15:47:00 -
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Kronos does a lot more damage than the Vindicator. Remember that you can offline modules to sink heat from overloaded mods. Kronos has 3 spare high slots, fit some offlined mods here so you can overload your weapons for a long time.
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal Kronos does a lot more damage than the Vindicator. Remember that you can offline modules to sink heat from overloaded mods. Kronos has 3 spare high slots, fit some offlined mods here so you can overload your weapons for a long time.
Why didn't I think of this?
Neutron II offline t1 something Neutron II offline t1 something Neutron II offline t1 something Neutron II
Uberheat.
___________ I learned to accept ship changes months ago. Suddenly I enjoy Eve. You should try it some time. |
UzetCu TiSve
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:15:00 -
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Where can see description and bonuses of the new ships if I can not log onto sisi? |
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:40:00 -
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Hrm...now that Sisi is back up, I think I've answered my own question.
Kronos compared to a Vindicator (for PvP)
1. The Kronos has two less slots; one mid and one highslot. The loss of the highslot doesn't mean much because the Role bonus of the ship gives it double damage through its four available turret hardpoints. In essence; the Kronos has an extra 3 highslots for neutralizers / NOS.
2. 4 midslots is weak, but in a dual cap-injected ship, there's massive amounts of room for cap injectors.
3. In pure tank, the Kronos has 22% less structure, 21.5% less armor, and 22% less shield. Strictly speaking, the shield figures don't really matter; Gallente ships aren't made for shield tanking.
4. The Kronos has 16.25% more Kinetic resist than a Vindicator, 8.125% more Thermal resist, and the EM / Explosive figures are identical.
-For tanking purposes, you lose armor, gain a bit of resist, and have a 7.5% to armor repair amount added. I think the message here is that the Kronos isn't meant to be passive or buffer tanked.
5. Presuming that you fit 4 Hybrids on a Kronos, and 7 on a Vindicator; (where the Kronos role bonus makes those 4 Hyrbrids worth 8) The Kronos has an extra turret worth of damage potential. Damage bonuses are identical on both ships if you have Gallente Battleship V, as are weapon tracking speed bonuses.
6. The Kronos has less cap than a Vindicator.
7. The Kronos loses the MWD bonus of the Vindicator, but adds a webifier bonus. But...given that it only has 4 midslots; those 4 mids are going to have to be very carefully thought out. Dual cap injectors / webber / scram? Single cap injector, web / scram, MWD?
So I suppose here's where we end up.
* The Kronos can outdamage a Vindicator, in terms of pure gank.
* The Kronos may be able to match the tanking ability of a Vindicator/Navy Mega, but it will need to be an active tank.
* Cap is going to be an issue with the Kronos. It has a cargo bay to support a lot of cap boosters, but is going to be more cap intensive than any buffer tank you might assemble on a Navy Megathron / Vindicator. And since those midslots are so sparse, deciding how to trade off your ability to sustain cap for damage / tanking with your ability to use ECM / web / scram / anything midslot is going to be a rough call.
I suppose my verdict is that the Kronos isn't better than a Vindicator or Navy Megathron, its just different.
Any thoughts?
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:44:00 -
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You need to make room for a couple more things: -Kronos will use less cap because it is using less guns -A buffer tank will work just as well (maybe better?) on a Kronos with the extra resists. The repping bonus is probably even more useful. -I'd put my money on the Kronos being able to sustain itself capwise with a large booster when its only running 4 guns.
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Arte
Warspite Developments
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: UzetCu TiSve Where can see description and bonuses of the new ships if I can not log onto sisi?
In the Devblog about the new T2 ships.
Originally by: Devblog
Kronos
* Hull: Megathron / Duvolle Labs * Slots: 7/4/7, 4 turrets * Fitting: 550tf, 12,000mw * Drones: 125Mbit/s bandwidth, 125m3 dronebay * Sensors: 13pt magnetometric, 10 target locks * Propulsion: 135m/s, 102,500,000kg * Tech II resistance bonus: 25% kinetic, 12.5% thermal * Cargo: 1275m3
Bonuses
* 5% bonus to large hybrid turret damage per Gallente BS level * 2% bonus to stasis webifier velocity factor per Gallente BS level * 7.5% bonus to armor repair amount per Marauder level * 7.5% bonus to large hybrid turret tracking per Marauder level * Role bonus: 100% bonus to large hybrid turret damage * Role bonus: 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams
With the same stasis webifier velocity factor bonus as the Paladin, the Kronos is a death sentence to any frigate that ventures within web range.
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Chr0nosX
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:46:00 -
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I think the Kronos is bit better than the faction battleships tbh.
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UzetCu TiSve
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Arte
Originally by: UzetCu TiSve Where can see description and bonuses of the new ships if I can not log onto sisi?
In the Devblog about the new T2 ships.
Originally by: Devblog
Kronos
* Hull: Megathron / Duvolle Labs * Slots: 7/4/7, 4 turrets * Fitting: 550tf, 12,000mw * Drones: 125Mbit/s bandwidth, 125m3 dronebay * Sensors: 13pt magnetometric, 10 target locks * Propulsion: 135m/s, 102,500,000kg * Tech II resistance bonus: 25% kinetic, 12.5% thermal * Cargo: 1275m3
Bonuses
* 5% bonus to large hybrid turret damage per Gallente BS level * 2% bonus to stasis webifier velocity factor per Gallente BS level * 7.5% bonus to armor repair amount per Marauder level * 7.5% bonus to large hybrid turret tracking per Marauder level * Role bonus: 100% bonus to large hybrid turret damage * Role bonus: 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams
With the same stasis webifier velocity factor bonus as the Paladin, the Kronos is a death sentence to any frigate that ventures within web range.
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