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Riddick Valer
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:46:00 -
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With the new bandwidth changes, the Ishkur is a little pointless. You start out with 25m of drone space, enough to fly all your drones you can control. Each level of AF increase it by 5m, giving you a single spare backup light drone.
I can understand the rationale behind this change. Its the same as the Myrmidon (flying a set of drones above it's size- 3m and 2 lights for a lot of people). However, it drastically effects the use of drones on what is a drone ship.
My proposal: Change the ishkur into an actual frig drone ship.
Keep bandwidth at 25 Set base drone bay to 50m Remove the +5m bonus Add a +10% to drone damage, mining yield, and hitpoints
This is a fairly standard gallente bonus, turns the ishkur into a decent drone boat, and still limits it to the exact same formula as other gallente drone boats: full flights of their size drones+ ship damage bonus.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:50:00 -
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Save the Ishkur? It's still arguably the best AF.
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Transcendant One
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:51:00 -
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It's still the most damaging AF -_-.
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Original Species
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rid**** Valer With the new bandwidth changes, the Ishkur is a little pointless. You start out with 25m of drone space, enough to fly all your drones you can control. Each level of AF increase it by 5m, giving you a single spare backup light drone.
I can understand the rationale behind this change. Its the same as the Myrmidon (flying a set of drones above it's size- 3m and 2 lights for a lot of people). However, it drastically effects the use of drones on what is a drone ship.
My proposal: Change the ishkur into an actual frig drone ship.
Keep bandwidth at 25 Set base drone bay to 50m Remove the +5m bonus Add a +10% to drone damage, mining yield, and hitpoints
This is a fairly standard gallente bonus, turns the ishkur into a decent drone boat, and still limits it to the exact same formula as other gallente drone boats: full flights of their size drones+ ship damage bonus.
So your saying, instead of nerfing the Ishkur's drone deployment, lets just turn it into a 300+dps AF ?
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rid**** Valer With the new bandwidth changes, the Ishkur is a little pointless. You start out with 25m of drone space, enough to fly all your drones you can control. Each level of AF increase it by 5m, giving you a single spare backup light drone.
I can understand the rationale behind this change. Its the same as the Myrmidon (flying a set of drones above it's size- 3m and 2 lights for a lot of people). However, it drastically effects the use of drones on what is a drone ship.
My proposal: Change the ishkur into an actual frig drone ship.
Keep bandwidth at 25 Set base drone bay to 50m Remove the +5m bonus Add a +10% to drone damage, mining yield, and hitpoints
This is a fairly standard gallente bonus, turns the ishkur into a decent drone boat, and still limits it to the exact same formula as other gallente drone boats: full flights of their size drones+ ship damage bonus.
actually, the only thing I would give to the ishkur was to swap that useless resistance bonus and give it a drone speed bonus. ---
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:59:00 -
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There's nothing pointless about a frigate that can field 5 drones.
Giving it a damage bonus would make it the single undoing of any other frigate in the game with no compromise. Dessies and even some cruisers would fear it. Don't get me wrong, I think that assault frigates should be able to laywaste if they use their mobility properly, but this is not the current state of things for any AF and unless they all change this is overpowering.
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Riddick Valer
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:05:00 -
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Then instead of +10% to drone damage, mining yield, and hitpoints,
just give +10% to drone hitpoints.
Still more useful then the new/proposed combination of bonuses.
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SkyEstaLimit
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: SkyEstaLimit on 26/10/2007 17:08:01 Petition : no more petitions in this forums.
Ishkur is nice. Real nice. I never did fit big clumsy med drones on this ship, as I see it as a waste of precious dronebay.
You are giving a bad name to the Gallente Federation.
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Eneela M
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:14:00 -
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the new ishkur will have 50m3 at lvl 5 compared to 40m3 before, so you will get more space than before. The bandwidth means you will only be able to use light drones for sure, but compared to ship class 5x nicely skilled tech 2 light drones do some sweet damage, a drone damage bonus would make it crazy overpowered.
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Gavri
The Republican Guard Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2007.10.27 01:21:00 -
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Ishkur is NOT the most damaging AF, Retribution can outdo it in the damage department while having a competitive tank. |
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Incantare
Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.27 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Incantare on 27/10/2007 01:41:59
A retri with 4 heavy pulse II w/ multifreq and triple t2 heat sinks (2 slot tank) does 224 dps. It has one mid.
An ishkur with 2 t2 magnetic field stabs, light neutron IIs w/ antimatter and hobgob IIs does 273 dps. It has a one slot tank (named DCU) but has two mid slots left to tackle with after fitting an mwd and enough cpu for a named web/scram which is imo far more important than an extra tank slot while being unable to tackle properly in the retribution.
The ishkur still looks like a damn good ship to me.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.10.27 01:45:00 -
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Quote: So your saying, instead of nerfing the Ishkur's drone deployment, lets just turn it into a 300+dps AF ?
It can already do raw/paper DPS in the 320 range, at max skills using 3 T2 neutron blasters, dread guristas antimatter, T2 hobs, and 3 T2 magstabs.
Or did you mean 300+ real dps or 300+ DPS with something that passes for a tank?
Quote: Ishkur is NOT the most damaging AF, Retribution can outdo it in the damage department while having a competitive tank.
The best raw/paper DPS I can get out of a retribution is 291.
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Testosterone Bomb
Red Ballz
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Posted - 2007.10.27 02:06:00 -
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Actually what is out of wack then would be the power of the Sentinel
Sentinel Hull: Crucifier / Viziam Slots: 3/4/3, 2 turrets Fitting: 195tf, 40mw Drones: 20Mbit/s bandwidth, 60m3 drone bay Sensors: 572mm scan res, 36.5km targeting range, 21pt radar Propulsion: 374m/s, 1,525,000kg Tech II resistance bonus: 50% explosive, 25% kinetic
Bonuses: 5% bonus to effectiveness of Tracking Disruptors per Amarr FF level 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount per Amarr FF level 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range per EAS level 5% reduction to capacitor recharge time per EAS level
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ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.10.27 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Testosterone Bomb Actually what is out of wack then would be the power of the Sentinel
Sentinel Hull: Crucifier / Viziam Slots: 3/4/3, 2 turrets Fitting: 195tf, 40mw Drones: 20Mbit/s bandwidth, 60m3 drone bay Sensors: 572mm scan res, 36.5km targeting range, 21pt radar Propulsion: 374m/s, 1,525,000kg Tech II resistance bonus: 50% explosive, 25% kinetic
Bonuses: 5% bonus to effectiveness of Tracking Disruptors per Amarr FF level 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount per Amarr FF level 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range per EAS level 5% reduction to capacitor recharge time per EAS level
How exactly?
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Zolian
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Posted - 2007.10.27 05:41:00 -
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Because it's Amarr and might actually be good .
In all seriousness he's most likely referring to its drone bay and 20m3 bandwith while it also has 3 unbonused turrets. I think it's perfectly fine.
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Kai Lae
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.27 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
actually, the only thing I would give to the ishkur was to swap that useless resistance bonus and give it a drone speed bonus.
This, based on it's role, is an ideal bonus to add as the missing 4th bonus. Ofc all other AF need their own real bonus, but this one is ideal for the ishkur. In addition all AF need their speeds increased so they're faster at least than a typhoon, but that's a different subject.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Lae
Originally by: Grimpak
actually, the only thing I would give to the ishkur was to swap that useless resistance bonus and give it a drone speed bonus.
This, based on it's role, is an ideal bonus to add as the missing 4th bonus. Ofc all other AF need their own real bonus, but this one is ideal for the ishkur. In addition all AF need their speeds increased so they're faster at least than a typhoon, but that's a different subject.
JC AFs are slower than Typhoons! /me scratches this a fair bit stupid. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars. |
Flurran
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:10:00 -
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If you want 10% drone damage, i want 10% proj damage on my wolf.
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KillmAll187
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.10.27 13:36:00 -
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Ishkur is -1 slot to all other Assault Ships? Nerfing it's drones is a serious kick in the junk...
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Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.27 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Zhecao Vai on 27/10/2007 13:58:50 This is dumb; as an Ishkur pilot I don't even think this is a nerf. Instead of 2 mediums and 3 lights and no spares, I can field 5 lights with 4 spares. Frankly I think that's better.
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Riddick Valer
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Posted - 2007.10.27 20:05:00 -
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Nothing says you have to fly a mix of mediums/lights right now. You could choose lights with spares. All that is changed is that now you are forced to, and you get an extra spare. Wow.
Setting the base dronebay to 50 would be nice. Even a +speed and +hitpoints to drones would make sense.
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