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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:20:00 -
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once the mom spawns all other areas in the incursion suffer a huge environmental and services penalty until the mom is popped (you like that play on words kiddies?)
so the net effect is that the longer the mom sits there, the harder it is to farm lesser sites, even to the extent of it being impossible to farm lesser sites.
The mom should also be on a timer, and if it's not killed off in x hours the sansha forces win, the incursion goes poof and NOBODY GETS LP FOR THAT INCURSION
what say you? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Bloodbound.
51
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:25:00 -
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Morganta wrote:once the mom spawns all other areas in the incursion suffer a huge environmental and services penalty until the mom is popped (you like that play on words kiddies?)
so the net effect is that the longer the mom sits there, the harder it is to farm lesser sites, even to the extent of it being impossible to farm lesser sites.
The mom should also be on a timer, and if it's not killed off in x hours the sansha forces win, the incursion goes poof and NOBODY GETS LP FOR THAT INCURSION
what say you?
I agree. YOU HAVE MY AX. :3 I am Petey :3 Petey is smexy Smexy is Pete |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
298
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:28:00 -
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Morganta wrote:The mom should also be on a timer, and if it's not killed off in x hours the sansha forces win, the incursion goes poof and NOBODY GETS LP FOR THAT INCURSION
I actually really like this idea
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
280
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:33:00 -
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Morganta wrote:once the mom spawns all other areas in the incursion suffer a huge environmental and services penalty until the mom is popped (you like that play on words kiddies?)
so the net effect is that the longer the mom sits there, the harder it is to farm lesser sites, even to the extent of it being impossible to farm lesser sites.
The mom should also be on a timer, and if it's not killed off in x hours the sansha forces win, the incursion goes poof and NOBODY GETS LP FOR THAT INCURSION
what say you?
Great idea.
I still have never even run an Incursion. Just been watching the Clown Slapping-Fest they have devolved into.
They seemed like a bad and LAZY idea to begin with from a mechanic standpoint.
They are simply ridiculously difficult Level SIX missions. Yawn.
Incursions are a band-aid that fell off............
Also, part of the Incursion idea was indeed to disrupt bot-ting. To make this so, the Incursions do need to spawn and deflate with greater rapidity across more areas, with a mathematical change to account for the disproportionately large Amarr.
And heck YEAH! Incursion the Jita Constellation, please !....and Dodixie.....and Rens. Why would Sansha HIMself avoid major trade hubs ??? THESE should be thier PRIMARY target systems. ....and much needed excitement to High Sec. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:39:00 -
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I like the idea more than most other "solutions" although I'm a bastard and would want more of a negative effect than just "no one gets LP", something like, sec status drop or something equally as nasty |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
280
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:45:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:I like the idea more than most other "solutions" although I'm a bastard and would want more of a negative effect than just "no one gets LP", something like, sec status drop or something equally as nasty
Say WWWHHHHAAAATTTTTTT ??? WOW. Glad you don't design games. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
910
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:49:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:I like the idea more than most other "solutions" although I'm a bastard and would want more of a negative effect than just "no one gets LP", something like, sec status drop or something equally as nasty
lol, well it might actually address the risk v reward thing. you choose to do an incursion you go all in, if you fail the get penalized.
imaging if suddenly the mom despawns, the incursion ends, everyone gets a failure message, and anyone in space in the incursion zone who ran any of the sites gets GCC for 15 minutes (basically resulting in a mega concord apocalypse)
that would put the fear of god into incursions and make it "serious business"
but that may be going a little too far still funny tho
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:52:00 -
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Morganta wrote:once the mom spawns all other areas in the incursion suffer a huge environmental and services penalty until the mom is popped (you like that play on words kiddies?)
so the net effect is that the longer the mom sits there, the harder it is to farm lesser sites, even to the extent of it being impossible to farm lesser sites.
The mom should also be on a timer, and if it's not killed off in x hours the sansha forces win, the incursion goes poof and NOBODY GETS LP FOR THAT INCURSION
what say you?
+1
No rewards for failed missions.
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Valei Khurelem
227
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:54:00 -
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I wouldn't mind this, if the group however was particularly organised and got the mothership early they should be given a bonus, it's a shame you don't post more good ideas like this instead of just trolling people constantly.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
james1122
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2012.01.26 16:59:00 -
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This most certainly needed a new thread ! |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
912
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:12:00 -
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james1122 wrote:This most certainly needed a new thread ! Likes received: 0
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
748
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Posted - 2012.01.26 17:19:00 -
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Vans need to be nerfed, plain and simple, and assaults and hq's need to be buffed. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
914
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:11:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:Vans need to be nerfed, plain and simple, and assaults and hq's need to be buffed.
buffing the later nerfs the former anyhow
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
925
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:41:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Obsidian Hawk wrote:Vans need to be nerfed, plain and simple, and assaults and hq's need to be buffed. buffing the later nerfs the former anyhow
Not really. VGs can be run with 10 people. It is much easier to herd 10 cats than 20, by an order of magnitude. VGs would have to be nerfed to push people into assaults.
The original idea for various levels was that people would gather in staging systems, eventually form fleets for vanguards, then merge vanguard fleets to run assaults, etc. at present everyone skips staging systems (50k ISK? LOL) and ends up in vanguards. Or they form fleets specifically for assaults or HQs.
There is no extrinsic motivator for moving from vanguards to assaults. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
548
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:48:00 -
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Morganta wrote: what say you?
awesome. However i don't think it is the only adjustment you would have to do to fix incursions.
Your idea could be perfectly mixed with a form of incursion escalation, where the number of lower-level sites decreases if system control is gained. This would force people to "the next level" once one particular site type is overfarmed.
edit: automatic load balancing. lol
but +1 for the boss penalty a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
beor oranes
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
25
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:58:00 -
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I don't think the payouts need to change for VG's just the difficulty. You shouldn't be able to run them in 5 minutes and you shouldn't be able to complete the site with Sansha's on the field. Every ship should have to be killed and I think there should be more of them as well (more waves or whatever). It should take an organised shiny gang at least 10 minutes to complete them. Assaults and HQ's need a payout boost to make them more attractive to run (maybe an increase of 15-30% in terms of payout).
Additionally to that I think there should be more types of Incursions, there is what three VG sites, there should be six or nine different sites to go at. Making people use more types of ships; maybe even bringing in some of the mini-professions to help you complete the site. So some sites require a sniping gang, others a close range battleship gang, or a strategic cruiser gang (I know in Assaults and HQ's you need a split between snipers and close range, there should be this in VG's as well). |
W1rlW1nd
The Scope Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:03:00 -
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Morganta wrote:... The mom should also be on a timer, and if it's not killed off in x hours the sansha forces win, the incursion goes poof and NOBODY GETS LP FOR THAT INCURSION
what say you?
If nothing else, the mom excaping and the fail mission giving no LP is logical and a very good idea imo.
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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.01.27 10:42:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:I like the idea more than most other "solutions" although I'm a bastard and would want more of a negative effect than just "no one gets LP", something like, sec status drop or something equally as nasty Say WWWHHHHAAAATTTTTTT ??? WOW. Glad you don't design games.
Actual real failure should always be an option in any game because that's what creates the challenge and it adds to the satisfaction and sense of achievement when you accumplish your goal.
Otherwise you're just killing time untill something else happens, which doesn't sound like much fun to me. |
Roxwar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.01.27 10:44:00 -
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Wouldnt it be easier just to make the spawns random so they cant be blitzed?
Sounds eisier than all these suggestions i keep seeing made lol http://roxwar.blogspot.com/ |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
76
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Posted - 2012.01.27 10:58:00 -
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james1122 wrote:This most certainly needed a new thread !
I'm glad you agree! |
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
826
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Posted - 2012.01.27 11:06:00 -
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Sounds good...
Just avoid creating such epic penalties that would cause some clueless freighter get ganked with 2 volleys while passing the system with autopilot .)
Get |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2012.01.27 11:17:00 -
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Morganta wrote:once the mom spawns all other areas in the incursion suffer a huge environmental and services penalty until the mom is popped (you like that play on words kiddies?)
so the net effect is that the longer the mom sits there, the harder it is to farm lesser sites, even to the extent of it being impossible to farm lesser sites.
The mom should also be on a timer, and if it's not killed off in x hours the sansha forces win, the incursion goes poof and NOBODY GETS LP FOR THAT INCURSION
what say you?
The lesser sites should simply close once the mom is spawned. You can justify that as the ships in those sites are now with the mom as support.
No need to penalise people with no LP really, just close the sites when mom arrives. If it doesn't get popped in a sensible time then it despawns.
If you want some sort of penalty how about if it isn't popped then the likelihood of another incursion in that constellation/region declines? Roleplay that as the sanshas have been in that area and cleared it out so they won't be back for a good while. |
Razor Blue
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
9
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Posted - 2012.01.27 11:51:00 -
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Morganta wrote: The mom should also be on a timer, and if it's not killed off in x hours the sansha forces win, the incursion goes poof and NOBODY GETS LP FOR THAT INCURSION
Isnt this already the case?
Also, LP-store is an ISK sink, not faucet. If less ISK was sunk in the lp-store then more ISK would be left circulating game economy. I'll let you ponder if it would be good or bad thing... |
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